Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board
Update: The source of the MC 4016P on EBay alas was a false hope. What I purchased from the vendor was correct but what was sent was wrong. I was sent the MC 14016P WHICH IS THE WRONG CHIP AND A 14 Pin DIP. The chip I need is the 16 pin DIP Plastic package. Some of you are looking, and many thanks. Any help would be appreciated. Amazing the same number produces differing results. David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: David [mailto:w...@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:06 PM To: 'MICHAEL TALLENT' Subject: RE: [Drakelist] uvc divider board Thanks at least for looking. Some of these old and obsolete parts can be a challenge. They are out there, just difficult to find. Appreciate the effort. David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: MICHAEL TALLENT [mailto:mwtall...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 11:04 AM To: David Cc: Drakelist Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board The MC4316 would also work, it is the full temperature range device if you can find it. The MC4016 is similar in function to the 74160 TTL IC but only the power and ground pins are the same. I looked through my IC stuff as I have a lot of the older types but don't have any MC4016 decade counters. Mike T W6MXV - Original Message - From: David w...@cox.net To: k4...@mindspring.com Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board No, it is the 16 dip plastic package.Even the china references are saying they do not have any! David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:33 PM To: David Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board
Well, many thanks to all for helpful references. I was directed to eBay and purchased apparently NOS for about $1.60 each. I will let all know the results. If this is a fix, will be looking to complete the UV# with a 220 MHz module if available. Also, the 440 receives but no output. So, still some work left. Incidentally, the email /internet search robots resulted in 12 or so Chinese replies for the IC. The costs ranged from $53, to 87 cents each for a minimum quantity of 100. Most interesting. Again thanks. Will keep all posted on the progress. David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: David [mailto:w...@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 8:40 AM To: 'k4...@mindspring.com' Cc: 'drakelist@zerobeat.net' Subject: RE: [Drakelist] uvc divider board No, it is the 16 dip plastic package.Even the china references are saying they do not have any! David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:33 PM To: David Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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No, it is the 16 dip plastic package.Even the china references are saying they do not have any! David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:33 PM To: David Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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The 16 pin MC4016 ( MC4316/4016 ) is a programable divide by N counter. Not sure why Motorola used the 4016 number twice, very confusing. 73, Gary___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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The MC4316 would also work, it is the full temperature range device if you can find it. The MC4016 is similar in function to the 74160 TTL IC but only the power and ground pins are the same. I looked through my IC stuff as I have a lot of the older types but don't have any MC4016 decade counters. Mike T W6MXV - Original Message - From: David w...@cox.net To: k4...@mindspring.com Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board No, it is the 16 dip plastic package.Even the china references are saying they do not have any! David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:33 PM To: David Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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Curt - No, it's a 4016 / 14016, same thing. It's a quad analog switch used in the TR-7 as well. Motorola just put the '1' in front of the CMOS number. The 4066 / 14066 is the same thing too. Easy to find. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: I think he's talking about a 4016P..it is a dip package divide by N chip. I think I found one for a counter I was repairing. I'll check in the morning to see. I remember having a devil of a time finding one. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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Curt - OK. Guess you have to look and see what the circuit is! The standard CMOS chips are CD4016, which is a Quad Analog Switch. Motorola's version is a MC14016, which is why the 'extra' 1 at the beginning. I seem to recall now that Motorola DID have a series of 4000 chips, much like the 1 series MCL. The TR-7 uses about a half dozen of the MC14016 (CD4016) switches. Thanks for the clarification, ya gotta look at the diagram to be sure. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: Well..that may be true but here is the motorola datasheet for the MC4016 It is indeed a Mod N divide by counter.. My app was in a HP counter board. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: Curt - No, it's a 4016 / 14016, same thing. It's a quad analog switch used in the TR-7 as well. Motorola just put the '1' in front of the CMOS number. The 4066 / 14066 is the same thing too. Easy to find. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: I think he's talking about a 4016P..it is a dip package divide by N chip. I think I found one for a counter I was repairing. I'll check in the morning to see. I remember having a devil of a time finding one. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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So, the mc4016P is equivalent to the mc 14016P. This is a 16 DIP plastic case, divide by N from 0 to 9. The one that is bad is U 706 in the divider board used as a counter, but there are several others of this type in the circuit. If the 1 in front of the 4016 means cmos, I suppose they will work in this circuit. A UV3 gets hot (no fans, no heat sink) and I think the heat just got to it. The 14016 is listed in NTE and others and I will try to get one locally. I will keep the list posted. Many thanks for the help. It is interesting to read these threads and I imagine that all of this brain power helps keep the list members sharp; all for a common Drake cause. Thanks again. Incidentally there are factories in China that sell these... Had several emails within a few hours responding back to me. I guess they have active mining software running all of the time. Go figure. David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:50 AM To: Curt Nixon Cc: Curt Nixon; David; drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board Curt - OK. Guess you have to look and see what the circuit is! The standard CMOS chips are CD4016, which is a Quad Analog Switch. Motorola's version is a MC14016, which is why the 'extra' 1 at the beginning. I seem to recall now that Motorola DID have a series of 4000 chips, much like the 1 series MCL. The TR-7 uses about a half dozen of the MC14016 (CD4016) switches. Thanks for the clarification, ya gotta look at the diagram to be sure. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: Well..that may be true but here is the motorola datasheet for the MC4016 It is indeed a Mod N divide by counter.. My app was in a HP counter board. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: Curt - No, it's a 4016 / 14016, same thing. It's a quad analog switch used in the TR-7 as well. Motorola just put the '1' in front of the CMOS number. The 4066 / 14066 is the same thing too. Easy to find. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: I think he's talking about a 4016P..it is a dip package divide by N chip. I think I found one for a counter I was repairing. I'll check in the morning to see. I remember having a devil of a time finding one. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2085/4543 - Release Date: 10/07/11 ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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David - I'm afraid I misled you on the MC14016 chip. That is a quad analog switch, same thing as a CD4016. Your chip is a programmable counter MC4016 as Curt said, and considerably harder to find. The only other thing I would say is the 'Chinese parts' are sometimes counterfeit or bad. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: So, the mc4016P is equivalent to the mc 14016P. This is a 16 DIP plastic case, divide by N from 0 to 9. The one that is bad is U 706 in the divider board used as a counter, but there are several others of this type in the circuit. If the 1 in front of the 4016 means cmos, I suppose they will work in this circuit. A UV3 gets hot (no fans, no heat sink) and I think the heat just got to it. The 14016 is listed in NTE and others and I will try to get one locally. I will keep the list posted. Many thanks for the help. It is interesting to read these threads and I imagine that all of this brain power helps keep the list members sharp; all for a common Drake cause. Thanks again. Incidentally there are factories in China that sell these... Had several emails within a few hours responding back to me. I guess they have active mining software running all of the time. Go figure. David Assaf, III W5XU -Original Message- From: Garey Barrell [mailto:k4...@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:50 AM To: Curt Nixon Cc: Curt Nixon; David; drakelist@zerobeat.net Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board Curt - OK. Guess you have to look and see what the circuit is! The standard CMOS chips are CD4016, which is a Quad Analog Switch. Motorola's version is a MC14016, which is why the 'extra' 1 at the beginning. I seem to recall now that Motorola DID have a series of 4000 chips, much like the 1 series MCL. The TR-7 uses about a half dozen of the MC14016 (CD4016) switches. Thanks for the clarification, ya gotta look at the diagram to be sure. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: Well..that may be true but here is the motorola datasheet for the MC4016 It is indeed a Mod N divide by counter.. My app was in a HP counter board. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: Curt - No, it's a 4016 / 14016, same thing. It's a quad analog switch used in the TR-7 as well. Motorola just put the '1' in front of the CMOS number. The 4066 / 14066 is the same thing too. Easy to find. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDswww.k4oah.com Curt Nixon wrote: I think he's talking about a 4016P..it is a dip package divide by N chip. I think I found one for a counter I was repairing. I'll check in the morning to see. I remember having a devil of a time finding one. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDswww.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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The easiest way to determine which one is correct is that the MC4016 divider IC is a 16 pin part and the 4016 analog switch is a 14 pin part. Mike W6MXV - Original Message - From: David w...@cox.net To: k4...@mindspring.com; 'Curt Nixon' captc...@flash.net Cc: drakelist@zerobeat.net Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Drakelist] uvc divider board So, the mc4016P is equivalent to the mc 14016P. This is a 16 DIP plastic case, divide by N from 0 to 9. The one that is bad is U 706 in the divider board used as a counter, but there are several others of this type in the circuit. If the 1 in front of the 4016 means cmos, I suppose they will work in this circuit. A UV3 gets hot (no fans, no heat sink) and I think the heat just got to it. The 14016 is listed in NTE and others and I will try to get one locally. I will keep the list posted. Many thanks for the help. It is interesting to read these threads and I imagine that all of this brain power helps keep the list members sharp; all for a common Drake cause. Thanks again. Incidentally there are factories in China that sell these... Had several emails within a few hours responding back to me. I guess they have active mining software running all of the time. Go figure. David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
[Drakelist] uvc divider board
Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
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I think he's talking about a 4016P..it is a dip package divide by N chip. I think I found one for a counter I was repairing. I'll check in the morning to see. I remember having a devil of a time finding one. Curt Garey Barrell wrote: David - If it's a 14 pin DIP package the MC14016 is available from Mouser, Digi-Key and others. It's just a CMOS Quad Analog switch. Google MC14016BCP is the plastic DIP, the MC14016BCPG is the wide temperature version. 73, Garey - K4OAH Glen Allen, VA Drake 2-B, 2-C/2-NT, 4-A, 4-B, C-Line and TR-4/C Service Supplement CDs www.k4oah.com David wrote: Looking for a MC4016P for a UV3 divider board. This is an obsolete part. Any sources? David Assaf, III W5XU ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist ___ Drakelist mailing list Drakelist@zerobeat.net http://mailman.zerobeat.net/mailman/listinfo/drakelist
