Re: Radeon X1600?

2006-02-07 Thread Philipp Klaus Krause
John Clemens schrieb:
 
 There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that
 ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore..
 I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does
 anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500
 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than
 fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these
 cards?

AFAIK no one has even started reverse-engineering their driver. There is
official word from ATI that they will not give any information to
developers of free drivers. German computer magazine c't asked them.
Theres one or two sentences about it in an article about the linux
driver situation (page 168, magazine from 27.12.2005).
The r300 driver was written without any information from ATI. It works
with cards up to the X850.

Philipp


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Re: Re: Radeon X1600?

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Zubaj
Hi,

AFAIK there is not linux driver for X1600 (fglrx doesn't support this card 
too). This card is nearly useless under linux for now.

Peter Zubaj


John Clemens schrieb:

 There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that
 ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore..
 I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does
 anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500
 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than
 fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these
 cards?

AFAIK no one has even started reverse-engineering their driver. There is
official word from ATI that they will not give any information to
developers of free drivers. German computer magazine c't asked them.
Theres one or two sentences about it in an article about the linux
driver situation (page 168, magazine from 27.12.2005).
The r300 driver was written without any information from ATI. It works
with cards up to the X850.

Philipp






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Re: Radeon X1600?

2006-02-07 Thread Roland Scheidegger

John Clemens wrote:


There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating that 
ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs anymore.. 
I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. but does 
anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the r500 
series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other than 
fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about these 
cards?


I ask because my ibook g3 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and since 
my non-x86 options for laptops are fast approaching 0, I'm looking for a 
turion notebook with a supported chipset.  I'm debating about going 
cheaper with a radeon 200M (which i think has an undocumented memory 
controller and thus doesn't work even though it's an r300 core?), or the 
MSI-1029 with an X700 (which is supported by r300, right?).  But, the 
1029 is about to be replaced with the 1039 which comes with the new 
X1600, so I'd like to know if I have to move before the 1029 disappears, 
or if i can wait a little while.


Both xpress 200m and x700 should at least work for 2d, and the x700 
hopefully for 3d too (some people still don't have luck with them it seems).
There is not much hope of getting the X1xxx chips to work anytime soon, 
even for 2d, as they are believed to be much different (especially as 
far as modesetting/2d is concerned, radeon 7200 to radeon x850 are 
nearly identical there). You can always use vesa driver, which of course 
totally sucks, and there's a high probability you couldn't even use the 
display's native resolution with that. Fglrx should support it at some 
point, but an ATI employee stated it will take a couple of driver 
revisions, which I interpret as something up to half a year.


Roland


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[Bug 1236] Blender menus are not drawn with Matrox G400 DualHead(FreeBSD 4.10, Slackware-current)

2006-02-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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 C source code - test case
 
 This test case demonstrates that glDrawBuffer() is essentially non-functional,
 in that it appears to fail more often than it works.
 

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 C source code - test case
 
 This test case demonstrates that glDrawBuffer() is essentially non-functional,
 in that it appears to fail more often than it works.
 

This bug has been present for more than 2 years now. Blender is unusable
on DRI/G400 (FreeBSD and Linux) because of it. Disabling hardware accelleration
is not an option because the program becomes very slow. Its very bad that
this hasnt been fixed yet, especially because g400 is a well documented card
and often brought up in the open source vs closed 3d drivers arguments. 
 
 
 
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Re: Radeon X1600?

2006-02-07 Thread John Clemens

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Roland Scheidegger wrote:

Both xpress 200m and x700 should at least work for 2d, and the x700 hopefully 
for 3d too (some people still don't have luck with them it seems).
There is not much hope of getting the X1xxx chips to work anytime soon, even 
for 2d, as they are believed to be much different (especially as far as 
modesetting/2d is concerned, radeon 7200 to radeon x850 are nearly identical 
there). You can always use vesa driver, which of course totally sucks, and 
there's a high probability you couldn't even use the display's native 
resolution with that. Fglrx should support it at some point, but an ATI 
employee stated it will take a couple of driver revisions, which I interpret 
as something up to half a year.


Roland


Thanks (everyone) for the info.  It's unfortunate, but it's what I 
honestly expected.  Looks like I'll either have to go suck it up and buy 
an x700 notebook before they disappear, or gamble with a 200m and hope we 
can figure out the memory controller (and memory management that goes 
with it).


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Re: Radeon X1600?

2006-02-07 Thread ivniyi502
Actually, I've been having trouble with my Xpress 200M locking up in 2D 
mode.  I'm still trying to determine what the cause of the lockup is. 
If you're looking for something supported by other than the fglrx 
driver, I would steer clear of the 200M for a while.


Roland Scheidegger rscheidegger_lists-at-hispeed.ch |rivatv-devel| wrote:

John Clemens wrote:


There was a post on this list at the end of december(?) indicating 
that ATI was not interested in helping open source with 3D specs 
anymore.. I'm guessing they didn't do much with the r300 line either.. 
but does anyone know anything or have any official word on whether the 
r500 series of radeon cards will ever be supported by anything other 
than fglrx for 3D? Any official word from ATI? Is anything known about 
these cards?


I ask because my ibook g3 is getting a bit long in the tooth, and 
since my non-x86 options for laptops are fast approaching 0, I'm 
looking for a turion notebook with a supported chipset.  I'm debating 
about going cheaper with a radeon 200M (which i think has an 
undocumented memory controller and thus doesn't work even though it's 
an r300 core?), or the MSI-1029 with an X700 (which is supported by 
r300, right?).  But, the 1029 is about to be replaced with the 1039 
which comes with the new X1600, so I'd like to know if I have to move 
before the 1029 disappears, or if i can wait a little while.


Both xpress 200m and x700 should at least work for 2d, and the x700 
hopefully for 3d too (some people still don't have luck with them it 
seems).
There is not much hope of getting the X1xxx chips to work anytime soon, 
even for 2d, as they are believed to be much different (especially as 
far as modesetting/2d is concerned, radeon 7200 to radeon x850 are 
nearly identical there). You can always use vesa driver, which of course 
totally sucks, and there's a high probability you couldn't even use the 
display's native resolution with that. Fglrx should support it at some 
point, but an ATI employee stated it will take a couple of driver 
revisions, which I interpret as something up to half a year.


Roland


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Re: Radeon X1600?

2006-02-07 Thread Felix Kühling
Am Dienstag, den 07.02.2006, 10:31 -0500 schrieb
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 Actually, I've been having trouble with my Xpress 200M locking up in 2D 
 mode.  I'm still trying to determine what the cause of the lockup is. 

OT: The radeon driver locked up on my Xpress 200 until I disabled color
tiling.

Regards,
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Xpress 200M + Thunderbird = GPF

2006-02-07 Thread ivniyi502

Hey all,
After a message from this list telling me that turning color tiling off 
was the key to avoiding lockups on the r300 driver, I tried it and was 
delighted to find that it worked.  Well, mostly.  Using Thunderbird 
causes my kernel to oops with a general protection fault.  It appears to 
be the *only* program on my system that causes the problem.  No errors 
are reported in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log; all I get (if anything) is a 
kernel oops that sometimes hard-locks my system, sometimes doesn't.  How 
can I go about debugging this problem?



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