[Dri-devel] Website Wiki

2003-09-25 Thread smitty
Good day José

First off I am using http://dri.sourceforge.net/wiki which resolves to:
http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/

I assume this is correct, if not ignore me. 

First off looking good, looking useful.

There does seems to be some recursive linking going on ie pages linking
to themselves, which is pointless and user unfriendly.

Eg go to the status page page and there is a status link under each
category that links to the status page.

Clicking on EditText does not allow me to fix this.

I don't have the emails dealing with this at hand, so I'm reading them
via web archive atm.

It appears that [[FullSearch()]] is dragging in Status as well as what
it should.

I've ssh'ed in and had a look around in ~/wiki but can't see how this
works.

Liam


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[Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-23 Thread José Fonseca
I've finished with a big chunk of the wikification of the website,
including updating CVS download info.

These would be the new top leves entry pages:

  Home: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage 
  Status: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Status
  Contribute: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Contributing
  Downloads: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Download
  Documentation: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Documentation
  Help: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Community
  Links: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Links
  
This is not 100% finished. Some of the pages above are just a literal
translation of the HTML, others use the dinamic feature of Wiki and are
self-updating.

Please give some feedback. Especially if don't like it or feel there's
regression moving the stuff above into the Wiki. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN
AS A GREEN LIGHT.

I hope to Wikify most of the Documentation too. I know that this won't
make the documentation up2date just by itself but I hope that by making
more accessible to make changes more people can aid in that process, as
the documents are assimilated in the Wiki.

José Fonseca

BTW: I've added a very simple Homepage to some of the DRI developers
here so that references to TheirNames will hyperlink to that homepage. I
use nothing but widely avaible information on the web, but check if it
suits your taste, and for those not yet there please add one - it's a
good way to now who does what and who likes what. See
http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHomepage for more
detail.



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Re: [Dri-devel] Website Wiki

2003-09-25 Thread José Fonseca
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 10:58:01AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Good day José
> 
> First off I am using http://dri.sourceforge.net/wiki which resolves to:
> http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/
> 
> I assume this is correct, if not ignore me. 

Yep.

> 
> First off looking good, looking useful.
> 

I'm glad you liked it.

> There does seems to be some recursive linking going on ie pages linking
> to themselves, which is pointless and user unfriendly.
> 
> Eg go to the status page page and there is a status link under each
> category that links to the status page.
> 
> Clicking on EditText does not allow me to fix this.
> 
> I don't have the emails dealing with this at hand, so I'm reading them
> via web archive atm.
> 
> It appears that [[FullSearch()]] is dragging in Status as well as what
> it should.

That's correct. This is an issue with the MoinMoin handles cross-references in 
FullSearch(). 
I can try fix it later but it's not a trivial issue. 

(In detail you make a list of, e.g., chipsets by adding
CategoryHardwareChipset and then list the crossreferences in that actual
CategoryHardwareChipset page, but if you want to refer people to
CategoryHardwareChipset in a unrelated page, that page too will appear
in the chipset list! I'm not sure but I believe it happens in other Wikis too -
it's the Wiki way or something..!)

> I've ssh'ed in and had a look around in ~/wiki but can't see how this
> works.

You'd need to go directly to the Python guts of MoinMoin in
~/cgi-bin/MoinMoin/ to get a stab at it, as its handled by macros -
text is fine. 

José Fonseca


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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-23 Thread Keith Whitwell
José Fonseca wrote:
I've finished with a big chunk of the wikification of the website,
including updating CVS download info.
These would be the new top leves entry pages:

  Home: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage 
  Status: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Status
  Contribute: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Contributing
  Downloads: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Download
  Documentation: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Documentation
  Help: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Community
  Links: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Links
  
This is not 100% finished. Some of the pages above are just a literal
translation of the HTML, others use the dinamic feature of Wiki and are
self-updating.

Please give some feedback. Especially if don't like it or feel there's
regression moving the stuff above into the Wiki. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN
AS A GREEN LIGHT.
I still get the 500 Internal Server Error...  Sigh...

Keith



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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 19:52, José Fonseca wrote:
> 
> BTW: I've added a very simple Homepage to some of the DRI developers
> here so that references to TheirNames will hyperlink to that homepage. I
> use nothing but widely avaible information on the web, but check if it
> suits your taste, and for those not yet there please add one - it's a
> good way to now who does what and who likes what. See
> http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHomepage for more
> detail.

The correct umlaut-less transliteration for my last name is 'Daenzer',
so MichelDaenzer would be better than MichelDanzer. How can I change
that?


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Software libre enthusiast  \ http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer



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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-23 Thread José Fonseca
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:40:50PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 19:52, José Fonseca wrote:
> > 
> > BTW: I've added a very simple Homepage to some of the DRI developers
> > here so that references to TheirNames will hyperlink to that homepage. I
> > use nothing but widely avaible information on the web, but check if it
> > suits your taste, and for those not yet there please add one - it's a
> > good way to now who does what and who likes what. See
> > http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHomepage for more
> > detail.
> 
> The correct umlaut-less transliteration for my last name is 'Daenzer',
> so MichelDaenzer would be better than MichelDanzer. How can I change
> that?

By strange coincidence even today a german coleague of mine told me
about those umlaut-less transliterations (they don't exist, e.g., for
Portuguese), but I didn't though of that when creating your homepage.
Sorry about that.

These kind of operations are best performed by directly manipulating the
Wiki plain-text repository -- just goto /home/d/dr/dri/wiki/text on the
SF shell acount and do whatever necessary -- but I've already done that
for you.

José Fonseca


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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-23 Thread Michel Dänzer
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 22:05, José Fonseca wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:40:50PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 19:52, José Fonseca wrote:
> > > 
> > > BTW: I've added a very simple Homepage to some of the DRI developers
> > > here so that references to TheirNames will hyperlink to that homepage. I
> > > use nothing but widely avaible information on the web, but check if it
> > > suits your taste, and for those not yet there please add one - it's a
> > > good way to now who does what and who likes what. See
> > > http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHomepage for more
> > > detail.
> > 
> > The correct umlaut-less transliteration for my last name is 'Daenzer',
> > so MichelDaenzer would be better than MichelDanzer. How can I change
> > that?
> 
> By strange coincidence even today a german coleague of mine told me
> about those umlaut-less transliterations (they don't exist, e.g., for
> Portuguese), but I didn't though of that when creating your homepage.
> Sorry about that.

No problem at all. The coincidences in life never cease to amaze me. :)

> These kind of operations are best performed by directly manipulating the
> Wiki plain-text repository -- just goto /home/d/dr/dri/wiki/text on the
> SF shell acount and do whatever necessary -- but I've already done that
> for you.

Thank you.


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Software libre enthusiast  \ http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=daenzer



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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-25 Thread Felix Kühling
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:52:20 +0100
José Fonseca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've finished with a big chunk of the wikification of the website,
> including updating CVS download info.
> 
> These would be the new top leves entry pages:
> 
>   Home: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage 
>   Status: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Status
>   Contribute: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Contributing
>   Downloads: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Download
>   Documentation: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Documentation
>   Help: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Community
>   Links: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Links
>   
> This is not 100% finished. Some of the pages above are just a literal
> translation of the HTML, others use the dinamic feature of Wiki and are
> self-updating.
> 
> Please give some feedback. Especially if don't like it or feel there's
> regression moving the stuff above into the Wiki. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN
> AS A GREEN LIGHT.
> 
> I hope to Wikify most of the Documentation too. I know that this won't
> make the documentation up2date just by itself but I hope that by making
> more accessible to make changes more people can aid in that process, as
> the documents are assimilated in the Wiki.
> 
> José Fonseca
> 
> BTW: I've added a very simple Homepage to some of the DRI developers
> here so that references to TheirNames will hyperlink to that homepage. I
> use nothing but widely avaible information on the web, but check if it
> suits your taste, and for those not yet there please add one - it's a
> good way to now who does what and who likes what. See
> http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHomepage for more
> detail.

How do I add a new homepage?

Nice work, this wiki. One comment though, it's a bit annoying that the
word "in" is highlighted everywhere (links to some source code
documentation).

Cheers,
  Felix

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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-25 Thread Eric Anholt
On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 15:32, Felix Kühling wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:52:20 +0100
> José Fonseca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I've finished with a big chunk of the wikification of the website,
> > including updating CVS download info.
> > 
> > These would be the new top leves entry pages:
> > 
> >   Home: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrontPage
> >   Status: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Status
> >   Contribute: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Contributing
> >   Downloads: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Download
> >   Documentation: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Documentation
> >   Help: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Community
> >   Links: http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Links
> >   
> > This is not 100% finished. Some of the pages above are just a literal
> > translation of the HTML, others use the dinamic feature of Wiki and are
> > self-updating.
> > 
> > Please give some feedback. Especially if don't like it or feel there's
> > regression moving the stuff above into the Wiki. SILENCE WILL BE TAKEN
> > AS A GREEN LIGHT.
> > 
> > I hope to Wikify most of the Documentation too. I know that this won't
> > make the documentation up2date just by itself but I hope that by making
> > more accessible to make changes more people can aid in that process, as
> > the documents are assimilated in the Wiki.
> > 
> > José Fonseca
> > 
> > BTW: I've added a very simple Homepage to some of the DRI developers
> > here so that references to TheirNames will hyperlink to that homepage. I
> > use nothing but widely avaible information on the web, but check if it
> > suits your taste, and for those not yet there please add one - it's a
> > good way to now who does what and who likes what. See
> > http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/CategoryHomepage for more
> > detail.
> 
> How do I add a new homepage?
> 
> Nice work, this wiki. One comment though, it's a bit annoying that the
> word "in" is highlighted everywhere (links to some source code
> documentation).

The automatic highlighting of many words was the reason why I used the
dri.freedesktop.org wiki instead of sf.net for the troubleshooting
page.  If we could somehow suppress the auto-wikiwording-from-source in
specific pages at least, I would put it on dri.sf.net too.

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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-25 Thread José Fonseca
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:46:25PM -0700, Eric Anholt wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 15:32, Felix Kühling wrote:
> > 
> > How do I add a new homepage?

Just point your browser to

  http://dri.sf.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FelixKuehling

and chose the HomepageTemplate. This works the same for any new page.

> > 
> > Nice work, this wiki. One comment though, it's a bit annoying that the
> > word "in" is highlighted everywhere (links to some source code
> > documentation).
> 
> The automatic highlighting of many words was the reason why I used the
> dri.freedesktop.org wiki instead of sf.net for the troubleshooting
> page.  If we could somehow suppress the auto-wikiwording-from-source in
> specific pages at least, I would put it on dri.sf.net too.

I'm aware of these issues. But when faced with the decision where I
want to spend my time I inevitably choose the path of "I'd rather have
more superfluous hyperlynks than lack of hyperlinks". 
So I'll keep adding more documentation, and automatic hyperlinks to
soup. ONLY when I'm out of stuff to add, is that I'll start trimming
down the redundant stuff. 

Patches are, nevertheless, always welcome.
(The MoinMoin Wiki implementation is very easy to understand and extend
for anybody minimally familiar with Python). BTW, the 'in' stuff is as
easy as deleting the corresponding line from
/home/d/dr/dri/wiki/tags/mesa, or filter this file agains a english
dictionary. The AutoWikiFromName isnot very dificult to remove: I
already have extended MoinMoin to recognize names as they are on the
filenames, instead of the AnnoyingLimitatingWikiStuff... But as I said
above, first what comes first.  Without content nobody will even
care about those annoyances - nobody will read at all!

I confess that my only real concern with the abundance of links that 
the searchbots will
create so much traffik, plus the slowness of MoinMoin, will lead to an
super slow web server, the consequently an unfriendly note from the SourceForge 
crew... So I may have to care about the performance before that.

Jose Fonseca



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Re: [Dri-devel] Website -> Wiki (RFC)

2003-09-26 Thread Felix Kühling
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:53:13 +0100
José Fonseca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> BTW, have u seen
> http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ConfigurationInfrastructure
> ? ;-)
> 
> Feel free to add any more info you see fit. 
> 
> Also, I noticed I put your name wrong there too: The umlaut ü->ue thingy
> I didn't knew again..! 

Ah, I missed that one before. I fixed my name and added a home page. I'm
going to add more information to ConfigurationInfrastructure later.

> 
> José Fonseca
> 
> 
> PS: Still have to sort the config-*-* branch snapshots issues :-/

IIRC the only issue was the missing xdriinfo executable.

Felix

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