[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-05-10 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-05-03 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-04-26 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-04-19 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-04-19 Thread Ian Romanick
Ian Romanick wrote:
This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PM PST, if you prefer).
Gak!  My brain must be serious dysfunctional...5:00PM PDT or 2:00PM PDT.

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-04-12 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-04-12 Thread Ian Romanick
Ian Romanick wrote:

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PM PST, if you prefer).
  
Since we are on daylight savings time now, this should read 5:00PM 
EDT or 2:00PM PDT.  I keep forgetting to change the message, and I 
don't have access to the system that send the message right now.  Sorry 
for any confusion.

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-04-05 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-03-29 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-03-22 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-03-15 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-03-08 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-03-01 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-02-23 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-02-16 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-02-02 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-01-12 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2004-01-05 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-12-29 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-12-22 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-12-15 Thread Ian Romanick

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-12-08 Thread Ian Romanick

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-11-24 Thread Ian Romanick

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-11-10 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-11-03 Thread Ian Romanick

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-10-27 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-10-27 Thread Ian Romanick
Ian Romanick wrote:

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
5:00PM EDT or 2:00PM PDT, if you prefer).
Sorry for the confusion!  Starting next week this message will correctly 
say (or 4:00PM EST or 1:00PM PST, if you prefer).  I forgot to update 
this after the time change.



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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-10-13 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-10-06 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-09-29 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-09-22 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-16 Thread Dimitry N. Naldaev
   10  2003 02:16 Alex Deucher :
 The 2D driver supports all savage chips, 
NO :-(
I have hotebook with savage MX video subsystem
and ysterday I have tried the driver form S3
and it have problems with enlightenment (I am running stable debian)
but with fvwm95 it work
 but the 3D driver seems to
 only support the Prosavage and Twister (savage4 core) integrated chips:

examinning the XFree86 log I was wondered by DRI is not enabled
I try to force init DRI by doing
 from savage_driver.c:

#if 0
if ((psav-Chipset == S3_TWISTER)

 || (psav-Chipset == S3_PROSAVAGE)) {

 /* Setup DRI after visuals have been established */
 psav-directRenderingEnabled = SAVAGEDRIScreenInit(pScreen);
 } else
 psav-directRenderingEnabled = FALSE;
# else
  psav-directRenderingEnabled = SAVAGEDRIScreenInit(pScreen);
#endif

and the first problem  is only 8Mb video memory
the X log report a error...  (sorry, full log at home, I send it late)

in the case forcing DRI on there was some visual problems after start up
but after vt switching all was ok. enlightenment also work whitout problem.
glxinfo reports direct rendering enabled

but when I try glxgears X server crash :-(

I'll do more testing today and send reports tomorrow...

 I don't know how different the savage3D and savage4 cores are.  There
 may also be some issues with shared vs. discrete video ram.

 Alex

 --- Eric Anholt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Actually the savage mx/ix chips are based on the old savage3D core,
   while the DRI driver is for savage4/prosavage cores.  I don't know
 
  how
 
   similar they are and whether the driver S3/VIA released will work
 
  on
 
   the older savage3D based chips like the mx or ix.  they might need
 
  a
 
   separate driver much like the radeon r100 vs. r200.
 
  Alan Cox in a previous email said the savage driver from S3 was for:
  Savage MX/IX/ SuperSavage/ ProSavage/ Twister/K

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-09-15 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-10 Thread Alan Hourihane
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 02:11:35PM -0700, Ian Romanick wrote:
 Alex Deucher wrote:
 --- Ian Romanick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 In any case, I would really *NOT* like to see another driver end up
 like 
 the r100 / r200 driver.  The MGA driver, where multiple chips in the 
 same family are supported by the same binary, is a much better model
 to 
 
 Is it worth trying to merged the two (down the road), or just leave
 them alone?
 
 Merge which?  The r100  r200 or the 500TX  gamma?  I think it would be 
 a good idea to merge both, but merging the GLINT drivers will be much 
 easier (since one of them hasn't been created yet!).  How many times has 
 the same bug been fixed in the r200 driver, then discovered and fixed in 
 the r100 driver a week later?  That just makes us look bad.

I'd like to try and give you a hand with the unified GLINT driver Ian.

Alan.


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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-09 Thread Alex Deucher
from the log:

idr To do that we're going to port the *OLD* 500TX driver to DRI.
:)
anholt 500tx is a what?
idr anholt: The GLINT before the MX.
...
idr anholt: It should be *much* faster.  The Delta does all the
geometry setup.  This is the mode the current gamma driver uses.
anholt hmm
idr Part of this work may lead into making some updates to the gamma
driver.  Does anyone have *any* docs for any of the GLINT chips?
idr Even the old leaked TI docs for the Permedia2 would be helpful.
:)

Sven Luther did some DRI work a while back for permedia/2/3 and he is
currently working on a 2D driver for the new wildcat VP cards.  I think
3dlabs is pretty good about giving databooks out to developers, at
least they used to be.  You might just want to ask them.

Also there is the tdlabs-0-0-1-branch branch in cvs
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/680/2002/8/0/9462918/
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08196.html

and, from the log:

idr fxkuehl: I have a Savage/IX (or something similar) in my ThinkPad
T21.
...
anholt so is the savage4 the same sort of thing as a savage mx/ix?
...
idr anholt: I believe so.

Actually the savage mx/ix chips are based on the old savage3D core,
while the DRI driver is for savage4/prosavage cores.  I don't know how
similar they are and whether the driver S3/VIA released will work on
the older savage3D based chips like the mx or ix.  they might need a
separate driver much like the radeon r100 vs. r200.

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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-09 Thread Ian Romanick
Alex Deucher wrote:

idr To do that we're going to port the *OLD* 500TX driver to DRI.
:)
anholt 500tx is a what?
idr anholt: The GLINT before the MX.
...
idr anholt: It should be *much* faster.  The Delta does all the
geometry setup.  This is the mode the current gamma driver uses.
anholt hmm
idr Part of this work may lead into making some updates to the gamma
driver.  Does anyone have *any* docs for any of the GLINT chips?
idr Even the old leaked TI docs for the Permedia2 would be helpful.
:)
Sven Luther did some DRI work a while back for permedia/2/3 and he is
currently working on a 2D driver for the new wildcat VP cards.  I think
3dlabs is pretty good about giving databooks out to developers, at
least they used to be.  You might just want to ask them.
Also there is the tdlabs-0-0-1-branch branch in cvs
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/680/2002/8/0/9462918/
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg08196.html
I'm aware of Sven's work, and I have been in contact with him.  I 
haven't persued getting docs form 3dlabs yet, but I may do so in the 
future.  IBM's lawyers are *VERY* picky, so getting docs under NDA for 
use in open-source projects is *VERY* difficult for IBMers.  I still 
don't have R100 or R200 docs, and I've been working on those drivers for 
over a year and a half. :(

idr fxkuehl: I have a Savage/IX (or something similar) in my ThinkPad
T21.
...
anholt so is the savage4 the same sort of thing as a savage mx/ix?
...
idr anholt: I believe so.
Actually the savage mx/ix chips are based on the old savage3D core,
while the DRI driver is for savage4/prosavage cores.  I don't know how
similar they are and whether the driver S3/VIA released will work on
the older savage3D based chips like the mx or ix.  they might need a
separate driver much like the radeon r100 vs. r200.
Are you sure about that?  Once-upon-a-time I tried to get the old 
Utah-GLX driver to work on it but had no luck at all.  I was still 
pretty green back then, but it didn't seem like the chips were very 
compatible.  The chip that I have, according to WinS3ID is Savage/IX 
w/MV (294).  The chip ID is 0x8c12, subvendor 0x1014, subdevice 0x017f. 
 This same chip is in all the IBM T20  T21 laptops AFAIK.

It's interesting that there's not even 3D acceleration for this 
particular chip in Windows.  That would be a nice open-source coup. :)

In any case, I would really *NOT* like to see another driver end up like 
the r100 / r200 driver.  The MGA driver, where multiple chips in the 
same family are supported by the same binary, is a much better model to 
follow, IMHO.  My plan with the 500TX driver is to eventually merge it 
with the gamma driver and re-name that driver to glint.  gamma is a very 
bad name for that driver since the gamma isn't even really used! 
Looking at the existing 500TX code, the existing gamma code, and Sven's 
work in the tdlabs branch, it seems like the drivers for all the chips 
in the GLINT family should be quite similar.  That family may be the 
poster child for a unified driver architecture. :)



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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-09 Thread Eric Anholt
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 07:39, Alex Deucher wrote:
 and, from the log:
 
 idr fxkuehl: I have a Savage/IX (or something similar) in my ThinkPad
 T21.
 ...
 anholt so is the savage4 the same sort of thing as a savage mx/ix?
 ...
 idr anholt: I believe so.
 
 Actually the savage mx/ix chips are based on the old savage3D core,
 while the DRI driver is for savage4/prosavage cores.  I don't know how
 similar they are and whether the driver S3/VIA released will work on
 the older savage3D based chips like the mx or ix.  they might need a
 separate driver much like the radeon r100 vs. r200.

Alan Cox in a previous email said the savage driver from S3 was for:
Savage MX/IX/ SuperSavage/ ProSavage/ Twister/K

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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-09 Thread Alex Deucher
The 2D driver supports all savage chips, but the 3D driver seems to
only support the Prosavage and Twister (savage4 core) integrated chips:

from savage_driver.c:

   if ((psav-Chipset == S3_TWISTER)
|| (psav-Chipset == S3_PROSAVAGE)) {
/* Setup DRI after visuals have been established */
psav-directRenderingEnabled = SAVAGEDRIScreenInit(pScreen);
} else
psav-directRenderingEnabled = FALSE;

I don't know how different the savage3D and savage4 cores are.  There
may also be some issues with shared vs. discrete video ram.

Alex

--- Eric Anholt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Actually the savage mx/ix chips are based on the old savage3D core,
  while the DRI driver is for savage4/prosavage cores.  I don't know
 how
  similar they are and whether the driver S3/VIA released will work
 on
  the older savage3D based chips like the mx or ix.  they might need
 a
  separate driver much like the radeon r100 vs. r200.
 
 Alan Cox in a previous email said the savage driver from S3 was for:
 Savage MX/IX/ SuperSavage/ ProSavage/ Twister/K
 


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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-09 Thread Alex Deucher

--- Ian Romanick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm aware of Sven's work, and I have been in contact with him.  I 
 haven't persued getting docs form 3dlabs yet, but I may do so in the 
 future.  IBM's lawyers are *VERY* picky, so getting docs under NDA
 for 
 use in open-source projects is *VERY* difficult for IBMers.  I still 
 don't have R100 or R200 docs, and I've been working on those drivers
 for 
 over a year and a half. :(

Bummer.

 
  idr fxkuehl: I have a Savage/IX (or something similar) in my
 ThinkPad
  T21.
  ...
  anholt so is the savage4 the same sort of thing as a savage
 mx/ix?
  ...
  idr anholt: I believe so.
  
  Actually the savage mx/ix chips are based on the old savage3D core,
  while the DRI driver is for savage4/prosavage cores.  I don't know
 how
  similar they are and whether the driver S3/VIA released will work
 on
  the older savage3D based chips like the mx or ix.  they might need
 a
  separate driver much like the radeon r100 vs. r200.
 
 Are you sure about that?  Once-upon-a-time I tried to get the old 
 Utah-GLX driver to work on it but had no luck at all.  I was still 
 pretty green back then, but it didn't seem like the chips were very 
 compatible.  The chip that I have, according to WinS3ID is Savage/IX
 
 w/MV (294).  The chip ID is 0x8c12, subvendor 0x1014, subdevice
 0x017f. 
   This same chip is in all the IBM T20  T21 laptops AFAIK.
 
 It's interesting that there's not even 3D acceleration for this 
 particular chip in Windows.  That would be a nice open-source coup.
 :)

I'm agreeing with you :)  I don't think the cores are compatible.
The savage driver in utah-glx was for the savage3D, mx, ix.  it did not
support the savage4 core (as I recall).  If you read the utah-glx
archives, some of the current develpers have it running on a savage ix.
 the S3/VIA driver seems to only support the savage 4 core.  If we ever
get the DRI working on savage we'll probably have to pull from both
(utah and S3) to get it working.

I have a thinkpad t20 with a savage IX, and there was an opengl ICD for
windows.  It tried quake3, but it was real slow and crashed with in a
few seconds.

 
 In any case, I would really *NOT* like to see another driver end up
 like 
 the r100 / r200 driver.  The MGA driver, where multiple chips in the 
 same family are supported by the same binary, is a much better model
 to 

Is it worth trying to merged the two (down the road), or just leave
them alone?

 follow, IMHO.  My plan with the 500TX driver is to eventually merge
 it 
 with the gamma driver and re-name that driver to glint.  gamma is a
 very 
 bad name for that driver since the gamma isn't even really used! 
 Looking at the existing 500TX code, the existing gamma code, and
 Sven's 
 work in the tdlabs branch, it seems like the drivers for all the
 chips 
 in the GLINT family should be quite similar.  That family may be the 
 poster child for a unified driver architecture. :)


Sounds good!  I can't wait!


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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting - 3dlabs and savage

2003-09-09 Thread Ian Romanick
Alex Deucher wrote:
--- Ian Romanick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In any case, I would really *NOT* like to see another driver end up
like 
the r100 / r200 driver.  The MGA driver, where multiple chips in the 
same family are supported by the same binary, is a much better model
to 
Is it worth trying to merged the two (down the road), or just leave
them alone?
Merge which?  The r100  r200 or the 500TX  gamma?  I think it would be 
a good idea to merge both, but merging the GLINT drivers will be much 
easier (since one of them hasn't been created yet!).  How many times has 
the same bug been fixed in the r200 driver, then discovered and fixed in 
the r100 driver a week later?  That just makes us look bad.



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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-08-18 Thread Ian Romanick

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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder - Now

2003-06-16 Thread smitty
Pretty much now...

 This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting
 will be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100
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Liam

it depends 


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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-06-09 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
5:00PM EDT or 2:00PM PDT, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

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Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-06-03 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
5:00PM EDT or 2:00PM PDT, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

http://dri.sourceforge.net/IRC-logs/


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Re: [Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-06-03 Thread Ian Romanick
Ian Romanick wrote:
This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
5:00PM EDT or 2:00PM PDT, if you prefer).
Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

http://dri.sourceforge.net/IRC-logs/
I won't be able to attend today's IRC meeting.  I *should* be on the 
channel around 4:30 or 5:00 PM PDT, if anyone is still there. :)



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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-03-31 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

http://dri.sourceforge.net/IRC-logs/


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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-03-24 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-03-17 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

http://dri.sourceforge.net/IRC-logs/


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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-03-10 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting

2003-03-03 Thread Ian Romanick
Hello all.

I'm going to be fairly late for today's meeting.  I have an appointment 
at 1:00PST, so I probably won't be there until about 2:30PST.  There are 
a couple things that I'd *REALLY* like to talk about.  I'll be on the 
channel, so I'll have any disucssion that I miss in my log.

1. I'd really like to talk about C++izing the DRI drivers.  I think I'd 
like to take a different approach from Jose, but I don't think the two 
approaches would be mutually exclusive.

2. Obviously, texmem-0-0-2. :)

3. I'd also like to talk about the GLX patches I sent out last week, and 
the updated version that I'll be sending out later this week.

4. Rage128 in texmem-0-0-1?



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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-03-03 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

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Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

http://dri.sourceforge.net/IRC-logs/


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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-02-24 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

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Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-02-17 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

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Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-02-10 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weekly dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

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[Dri-devel] Weekly IRC meeting reminder

2003-02-03 Thread Ian Romanick

This is just a friendly reminder that the weeking dri-devel IRC meeting will
be starting in the #dri-devel channel on irc.freenode.net at 2100 UTC (or
4:00PM EST or 1:00PST, if you prefer).

Time zone conversion available at:

http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc

Logs of previous IRC meetings are available at:

http://dri.sourceforge.net/IRC-logs/


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Re: [Dri-devel] weekly IRC

2002-04-09 Thread Sergey V. Udaltsov

 Just FYI, the weekly IRC mtg will start in ~30 minutes.  That's 5pm
 Eastern time now that we're on daylight savings time in the US.
... Any logs available for the public?

Cheers,

Sergey

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[Dri-devel] weekly IRC

2002-04-08 Thread Jens Owen

Just FYI, the weekly IRC mtg will start in ~30 minutes.  That's 5pm
Eastern time now that we're on daylight savings time in the US.

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