Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nVidia gets a lot of flack on their forums from zealous Linux users. (-: I'm glad to see the common customers being minor annoyances... http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61077postcount=222 I don't buy the explanation. So what that NVidia drivers are covered by NDA with other companies ? What we really want are the register specs and description of how to program the pipeline. If NVidia *really* wanted to open source their drivers all they had to do is release the register descriptions and watch the drivers appear. If anything, releasing their driver code would spoil the fun of low-level tinkering with powerflux hardware. I do not believe the register specification is covered by NDA, as I cannot imagine that that interface was outsourced. I can see NVidia buying a few cores (say iDCT), but since they are the ones who integrate all that stuff they would have to write their own register interface. Plain and simple, someone there is thinking that locking stuff up is protecting value - whether or not the particular information is of use to any competitors. Which is well described by the proverb about a dog and a heap of hay. best Vladimir Dergachev On Monday 13 June 2005 17:59, Vladimir Dergachev wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Benjamin Vander Jagt wrote: I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now protected under two entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company that *wants* to open up but can't. nVidia case ? Would you have a link I can read about that ? I thought nVidia was closed source for other reasons.. best Vladimir Dergachev --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650
-Original Message- From: Vladimir Dergachev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:01 PM To: Matt Sealey Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650 At least the boycott also makes sure that people who follow it don't have hardware we can't write drivers for. :D You have a good point. I still say it would not endear you to SiS. It is way too easy for them to be spiteful than help. PS Is ODW fanless ? Just curious.. Ooh you noticed us :D No it's not. The CPU has a fan and so does the PSU. The CPU fan is drowned by the noise of the PSU fan. There is an 80mm case fan for those that live on Mustafar but it is not connected by default. We are working on a completely passive system and getting the PSU is the hard part. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Genesi, Developer Relations --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 12:01:03AM -0400, Vladimir Dergachev wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Matt Sealey wrote: Someone explain to me why an organised boycott of SiS graphics chips would somehow ENCOURAGE them to help? If all other things have been tried why not ? At least the boycott also makes sure that people who follow it don't have hardware we can't write drivers for. I wouldn call making sure people don buy useless hardware a boycott though, but simple common sense. Friendly, Sven Luther --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Llu, 2005-06-13 at 11:28, Matt Sealey wrote: You have a good point. I still say it would not endear you to SiS. It is way too easy for them to be spiteful than help. As I understand it SiS no longer own the graphics parts anyway but they were merged with trident and dumped off somewhere. It is possible to get somewhere with .tw vendors, but it does take time, persistence and patience to find the right people. At least we've been successful to a reasonable extent with vendors like VIA and ALi. You might want to contact Richard Stallman as he was talking with several .tw vendors recently and may have contacts he can share or insight into the situation with SiS. Alan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now protected under two entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company that *wants* to open up but can't. Would you like to contact him, or should I? (I'm hoping that KMail's reply format is compatible with mailman. If it's not, then I'm sorry for the mess. Is there any chance that mailman could be replaced / complemented with phpBB2 or something of the sort?) On Monday 13 June 2005 09:11, Alan Cox wrote: As I understand it SiS no longer own the graphics parts anyway but they were merged with trident and dumped off somewhere. It is possible to get somewhere with .tw vendors, but it does take time, persistence and patience to find the right people. At least we've been successful to a reasonable extent with vendors like VIA and ALi. You might want to contact Richard Stallman as he was talking with several .tw vendors recently and may have contacts he can share or insight into the situation with SiS. Alan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On 6/13/05, Benjamin Vander Jagt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now protected under two entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company that *wants* to open up but can't. you might want to talk to XGI, they released a driver for the new xgi cards based on Thomas' sis DDX. They also have a 3d driver, but I think it's binary only. AFAIK, it only supports the new XGI cards and not the older SiS based ones. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2761 Alex Would you like to contact him, or should I? (I'm hoping that KMail's reply format is compatible with mailman. If it's not, then I'm sorry for the mess. Is there any chance that mailman could be replaced / complemented with phpBB2 or something of the sort?) On Monday 13 June 2005 09:11, Alan Cox wrote: As I understand it SiS no longer own the graphics parts anyway but they were merged with trident and dumped off somewhere. It is possible to get somewhere with .tw vendors, but it does take time, persistence and patience to find the right people. At least we've been successful to a reasonable extent with vendors like VIA and ALi. You might want to contact Richard Stallman as he was talking with several .tw vendors recently and may have contacts he can share or insight into the situation with SiS. Alan --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Benjamin Vander Jagt wrote: I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now protected under two entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company that *wants* to open up but can't. nVidia case ? Would you have a link I can read about that ? I thought nVidia was closed source for other reasons.. best Vladimir Dergachev --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
nVidia gets a lot of flack on their forums from zealous Linux users. (-: I'm glad to see the common customers being minor annoyances... http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61077postcount=222 On Monday 13 June 2005 17:59, Vladimir Dergachev wrote: On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Benjamin Vander Jagt wrote: I think you're right (and it's a pleasure to meet you, by the way), but the SiS licenses are, as far as I've read them, now protected under two entities instead of just one, so it may be another nVidia case; a company that *wants* to open up but can't. nVidia case ? Would you have a link I can read about that ? I thought nVidia was closed source for other reasons.. best Vladimir Dergachev --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
I've found myself in the unfortunate ownership of many of these pitiful SiS315-based cards and boards with onboard SiS video. I may be interested in reverse-engineering, as I rather like that sort of tedious work. however, after seeing as much as I have seen from these short-sighted companies, I think an organized boycott of SiS would be more effective for getting our hands on specs, or even a closed-source driver. their chipset quality is already extremely lacking, and they will have a really hard time beating VIA on, well, anything...and VIA is starting to release their stuff open-source! SiS doesn't have much to bargain with. I will help how I can... -Benjamin Vander Jagt need help writing driver for SiS m650 The Slash Mon, 02 May 2005 10:33:05 -0700 well since there is no DRI support for the SiS m650, and according to what I heard there never will be, I have decided to write my own. I have never written my own driver before, and I'm a little confused as to where to begin. I know that SiS does not normally distribute there hardware specs, so i might end up having to reverse-engineer the windows drivers. any advice on where to start for this sort of thing? and if i were able to get the info from SiS, what exactly would I need? -- This is The Slash, signing off **click** --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
I'm rather interested in starting a project to reverse engineer these blasted chips, but I'm somewhat more inclined to start a boycott of them instead. For reverse engineering, I *think* the DLL has an EULA that doesn't let you do any sort of peeking into it, so for legal reasons, we might not be able to go that way. If anyone has more insight into that, it would be welcomed. If there is no easier option, then I was considering just making a FreeDOS-based system and hitting the hardware directly. I used to do that with old video chips, long long ago when I programmed for DOS in Pascal... Hey Benjamin, I have one of these myself and I have tried looking up on reverse engineering the windows xp driver. However I have found it very hard to do so. The driver dll is stripped of all opengl function symbols, and exports only symbols necessary to comply with the ICD architecture. OpenGL drivers on windows are written accordingly to the ICD architecture, which has no open documentation out there. After hearing with microsoft a license for a ICD development kit costs 5000 dollars, and one must have a valid need for it! Do have any plans on making an effort reversing the SiS315? /Cenk On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:14:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found myself in the unfortunate ownership of many of these pitiful SiS315-based cards and boards with onboard SiS video. I may be interested in reverse-engineering, as I rather like that sort of tedious work. however, after seeing as much as I have seen from these short-sighted companies, I think an organized boycott of SiS would be more effective for getting our hands on specs, or even a closed-source driver. their chipset quality is already extremely lacking, and they will have a really hard time beating VIA on, well, anything...and VIA is starting to release their stuff open-source! SiS doesn't have much to bargain with. I will help how I can... -Benjamin Vander Jagt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650
Someone explain to me why an organised boycott of SiS graphics chips would somehow ENCOURAGE them to help? Reducing their sales means they have a vat of new excuses for not supporting you. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Genesi, Developer Relations -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:54 AM To: Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650 I'm rather interested in starting a project to reverse engineer these blasted chips, but I'm somewhat more inclined to start a boycott of them instead. For reverse engineering, I *think* the DLL has an EULA that doesn't let you do any sort of peeking into it, so for legal reasons, we might not be able to go that way. If anyone has more insight into that, it would be welcomed. If there is no easier option, then I was considering just making a FreeDOS-based system and hitting the hardware directly. I used to do that with old video chips, long long ago when I programmed for DOS in Pascal... Hey Benjamin, I have one of these myself and I have tried looking up on reverse engineering the windows xp driver. However I have found it very hard to do so. The driver dll is stripped of all opengl function symbols, and exports only symbols necessary to comply with the ICD architecture. OpenGL drivers on windows are written accordingly to the ICD architecture, which has no open documentation out there. After hearing with microsoft a license for a ICD development kit costs 5000 dollars, and one must have a valid need for it! Do have any plans on making an effort reversing the SiS315? /Cenk On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:14:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found myself in the unfortunate ownership of many of these pitiful SiS315-based cards and boards with onboard SiS video. I may be interested in reverse-engineering, as I rather like that sort of tedious work. however, after seeing as much as I have seen from these short-sighted companies, I think an organized boycott of SiS would be more effective for getting our hands on specs, or even a closed-source driver. their chipset quality is already extremely lacking, and they will have a really hard time beating VIA on, well, anything...and VIA is starting to release their stuff open-source! SiS doesn't have much to bargain with. I will help how I can... -Benjamin Vander Jagt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
RE: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Matt Sealey wrote: Someone explain to me why an organised boycott of SiS graphics chips would somehow ENCOURAGE them to help? If all other things have been tried why not ? At least the boycott also makes sure that people who follow it don't have hardware we can't write drivers for. best Vladimir Dergachev PS Is ODW fanless ? Just curious.. Reducing their sales means they have a vat of new excuses for not supporting you. -- Matt Sealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Manager, Genesi, Developer Relations -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 11:54 AM To: Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650 I'm rather interested in starting a project to reverse engineer these blasted chips, but I'm somewhat more inclined to start a boycott of them instead. For reverse engineering, I *think* the DLL has an EULA that doesn't let you do any sort of peeking into it, so for legal reasons, we might not be able to go that way. If anyone has more insight into that, it would be welcomed. If there is no easier option, then I was considering just making a FreeDOS-based system and hitting the hardware directly. I used to do that with old video chips, long long ago when I programmed for DOS in Pascal... Hey Benjamin, I have one of these myself and I have tried looking up on reverse engineering the windows xp driver. However I have found it very hard to do so. The driver dll is stripped of all opengl function symbols, and exports only symbols necessary to comply with the ICD architecture. OpenGL drivers on windows are written accordingly to the ICD architecture, which has no open documentation out there. After hearing with microsoft a license for a ICD development kit costs 5000 dollars, and one must have a valid need for it! Do have any plans on making an effort reversing the SiS315? /Cenk On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 12:14:55PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found myself in the unfortunate ownership of many of these pitiful SiS315-based cards and boards with onboard SiS video. I may be interested in reverse-engineering, as I rather like that sort of tedious work. however, after seeing as much as I have seen from these short-sighted companies, I think an organized boycott of SiS would be more effective for getting our hands on specs, or even a closed-source driver. their chipset quality is already extremely lacking, and they will have a really hard time beating VIA on, well, anything...and VIA is starting to release their stuff open-source! SiS doesn't have much to bargain with. I will help how I can... -Benjamin Vander Jagt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. How far can you shotput a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair down the office luge track? If you want to score the big prize, get to know the little guy. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display: http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On 5/2/05, The Slash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well since there is no DRI support for the SiS m650, and according to what I heard there never will be, I have decided to write my own. I have never written my own driver before, and I'm a little confused as to where to begin. I know that SiS does not normally distribute there hardware specs, so i might end up having to reverse-engineer the windows drivers. any advice on where to start for this sort of thing? and if i were able to get the info from SiS, what exactly would I need? For starting writting a driver the r300 project may be educative, specialy the first driver where in fact everythings was drawn using software mesa. Then adding features by feature... The dri wiki as some docs worth to read too. For reverse engineering this is quite a pain. There isn't any good docs i know on this topics. Try a deep google search. Moreover if you only got windows driver i fear that you will need to decompil driver code this could leads to legal issues... Good Luck Jerome Glisse --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Monday 02 May 2005 13:27, The Slash wrote: well since there is no DRI support for the SiS m650, and according to what I heard there never will be, I have decided to write my own. I have never written my own driver before, and I'm a little confused as to where to begin. I know that SiS does not normally distribute there hardware specs, so i might end up having to reverse-engineer the windows drivers. any advice on where to start for this sort of thing? Reverse-engineering for a 3d driver is basically a matter of finding the routine(s) that do register writes, modifying them to log their arguments, and then running simple testcases against the modified driver. Occasionally the register write routines are scattered all over the place (or just inlined), which means you instead need to dump the register space at regular intervals and hope you didn't miss anything important. 3d chips tend to have a _lot_ of registers, so this is much harder than it would be for, say, an ethernet controller. Fortunately they also tend not to change too drastically between hardware revisions, so you may be able to use the existing sis driver as a base. and if i were able to get the info from SiS, what exactly would I need? A list of all the registers on the card, with their names, functionality, and the legal values you can write to them. At minimum. Ideally you also get a theory of operation document that describes the order that setup should happen. The Voodoo3 doc is a good example of what you're looking for. - ajax pgpz9rZaKezpQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: need help writing driver for SiS m650
On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 01:27:55PM -0400, The Slash wrote: well since there is no DRI support for the SiS m650, and according to what I heard there never will be, I have decided to write my own. I have never written my own driver before, and I'm a little confused as to where to begin. I know that SiS does not normally distribute there hardware specs, so i might end up having to reverse-engineer the windows drivers. any advice on where to start for this sort of thing? and if i were able to get the info from SiS, what exactly would I need? -- Slash, I am sitting on a SiS650 and I'm interested in writing a driver too. I've familiarised myself somewhat with the existing SiS300 driver for sometime, however being the newbie on DRI and 3D in general I haven't done any real work yet. The lack of proper documents is sort of getting to me hard. However I would like to participate in any planned work of yours with the SiS315 driver (650/M650 have 315 chips as far as I know). Perhaps an approach to SiS would be preferable for documention, however I heard too they are not likely to release documents to someone with undocumented work history on DRI. Reverse engineering does seem tedious to me, is it legal by the way? I looked into the kernel module of sis300 some time ago. It seems to be nothing but a memory manager. There doesn't seem to be any real work required in the kernel module or the X driver, except for enabling the sis315 DRI in some places. As for the Mesa 3D module, I suppose one could base the driver upon the sis300. But according to Thomas Winischhofer it is quite different from the 315 series. Perhaps a separate 3D module would be preferable? /Cenk --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. Get your fingers limbered up and give it your best shot. 4 great events, 4 opportunities to win big! Highest score wins.NEC IT Guy Games. Play to win an NEC 61 plasma display. Visit http://www.necitguy.com/?r=20 -- ___ Dri-devel mailing list Dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dri-devel
