AW: RE: [dspam-users] RE: [Dspam-community-devel] I would appreciate some feedback
Hmm whitelistening is overated i think. Normally you retrain an mail and it will be delivered as long you do not retrain it to spam and get whitelistened anyway Same with blacklist. One time training by the user and ist fine. I cant see the problem More important than white and blacklist would be better plugins for several mailclients and platforms. Using imap isnt an option very very often. There is one outlookplugin but it have ist problem with vista. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com [mailto:owner-dspam-us...@lists.nuclearelephant.com] Im Auftrag von Dudi Goldenberg Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Jänner 2009 01:20 An: Steve; dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com; dspam-community-u...@lists.sourceforge.net Betreff: RE: RE: [dspam-users] RE: [Dspam-community-devel] I would appreciate some feedback -- Let's collect the ideas and then look what can be done easy and what needs more work and let's not talk about problems but about challenges to make DSPAM even better :) I know. I'm an old time DSPAM user, I also remember all the discussions about DSPAM being a pure statistical tool and there is no room for black/whitelisting etc. But I can wait :-) I do think it's a good addition to DSPAM and that it can help persuade more sysadmins to use it. Keep it up! Regards, D. !DSPAM:1011,497c08f3150922011017403!
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Forum is installed today. Only a few settings left and ill post the link then. But sadly only one want tob e moderator so im still asking myself i fit make sense but ok ill do it now we will see. Maillinglist will follow and also an gateway tot he forums (maybe beta) New wiki? We never talked about it :-) Lets make this forum thing first and let see who ist he response Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kyle Johnson Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. November 2008 21:58 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? So, what's up? :) 1. New Wiki 2. Forums 1. Forum Moderators 3. Fixed mailing list (Can someone confirm what is broken?) 4. Link to new wiki and forums on website 5. ?? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4923692a150921376121274!
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Maybe ife another idea. I dont know the Gentoo Version but maybe this encoding comes from the Database. Please Post your my.cnf from the Mysql DB and also which Charset your system is using. Also we have to know which charset u use in the mysql tables and which one fort he database. General ist a good idea to use for everything UTF-8. PS: i hope ill have this weekend more time fort he dev list and the forum. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Gesendet: Samstag, 15. November 2008 14:09 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] mysql fetch row error Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:04 +0100 Von: Marko Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] mysql fetch row error Hi Steve, nice to hear you are the ebuilder great job. Not only the ebuild. There is a bunch of patches/fixes in Gentoo for DSPAM. Some of them are already in the CVS edition of DSPAM. amvisd.conf = http://rafb.net/p/fkrpk553.html main.cf = http://rafb.net/p/9nhKMt93.html master.cf = http://rafb.net/p/QDiAPu11.html hope you can find anything that i can get work proper. thank you at this time for all the effort Phuu... I would rewrite much of it. Anway... I try to keep the changes as small as possible. So I will not post whole config files. Is that okay with you? If you want, I could. Just let me know. I see you use Postfix.Admin. Right? You could speed up a lot of things by using proxy maps and other stuff. But there is no point for me to rewrite the config if you don't want/need. Anyway lets do the config stuff. In main.cf remove the content_filter part: content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 master.cf use this one here (I did a rewrite of it. Sorry for that. But the changes are commented in the file and I think you will understand why I changed things): http://rafb.net/p/f5PGTy80.html amavis.conf do this: Add a forward method on port 10025: $forward_method = 'smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025'; # where to forward checked mail Add notify method on port 10026 (we will use it in DSPAM as well for delivery of certain stuff): $notify_method = 'smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10026'; # where to submit notifications Remove DSPAM access from Amavis (it's better to run DSPAM outside amavisd-new and use other ways then amavisd-new for tagging mails. Amavis just runs under one single user and this is limiting the possibilities of DSPAM): #$dspam = 'dspam'; In dspam.conf: Your trusted and untrusted agent should probably be the sendmail binary (Postfix edition but the ebuild is already taken care of this): TrustedDeliveryAgent /usr/sbin/sendmail UntrustedDeliveryAgent /usr/sbin/sendmail Switch the delivery to SMTP (remember the port 10026 above for amavisd-new? Well... we are going to reuse that port for DSPAM delivery): DeliveryHost127.0.0.1 DeliveryPort10026 DeliveryIdent localhost DeliveryProto SMTP Change the DSPAM server to use auto mode: ServerQueueSize 32 ServerMode auto Add config to identify the DSPAM agent and daemon (as ident I used kw1 for kraftwerk1): ServerPass.kw1 9252173122311528111 ServerParameters--deliver=innocent ServerIdent kw1.dspam.server ServerDomainSocketPath /var/run/dspam/dspam.sock ClientHost /var/run/dspam/dspam.sock ClientIdent [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the Gentoo forum you will find much more configuration tips and tricks.. Just search for the user SteveB and for the keyword dspam or postfix or amavis. I run DSPAM for a long time and have probably a different viewpoint on DSPAM then you. This does not mean that my way is better then other configurations. I just got used of doing it a certain way. I as well have patched my DSPAM with about 20 own made patches. Some of them add new functions and some of them fix memory leaks and others do speed up things (I speeded up the MySQL part significantly on my setup). I do the training as well much different then probably most users here. I use TONE (train on or near error) and I use a own made patch to do that as well with whitelisted DSPAM results (if the whitelisted message would result in spam if no whitelisting would be active). The result looks something like that here: Nov 15 02:46:03 mail postfix/lmtp[30960]: 9229E15B3E49: to=x, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=7.4, delays=7/0.02/0.01/0.4, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok, id=29240-17, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 2962C15B3E4F) Nov 15 02:46:08 mail dspam[24389]: forcing learning of auto-whitelisted SPAM message as INNOCENT Nov 15 02:46:08 mail dspam[24389]: innocent message from 211.115.216.226 I like DSPAM much and it does tag spam messages very well but the most problem I have is that ham messages don't get so well recognized as spam. So I had to take
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Ill make a Forum with an ListGateway. Also it should be secure and Fast and and and.. :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Gesendet: Samstag, 15. November 2008 15:32 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: AW: [dspam-users] mysql fetch row error Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:28:06 +0100 Von: Imposit.com - Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: AW: [dspam-users] mysql fetch row error Maybe ife another idea. I dont know the Gentoo Version but maybe this encoding comes from the Database. No. It can not come from the DB backend as it is the dovecot plugin executing the command even without contacting the DB backend. Please Post your my.cnf from the Mysql DB and also which Charset your system is using. Also we have to know which charset u use in the mysql tables and which one fort he database. General ist a good idea to use for everything UTF-8. PS: i hope ill have this weekend more time fort he dev list and the forum. I could add a forum and a dev mailing list in 10 minutes if you want me to do that for the DSPAM community. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Gesendet: Samstag, 15. November 2008 14:09 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] mysql fetch row error Original-Nachricht Datum: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:10:04 +0100 Von: Marko Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] mysql fetch row error Hi Steve, nice to hear you are the ebuilder great job. Not only the ebuild. There is a bunch of patches/fixes in Gentoo for DSPAM. Some of them are already in the CVS edition of DSPAM. amvisd.conf = http://rafb.net/p/fkrpk553.html main.cf = http://rafb.net/p/9nhKMt93.html master.cf = http://rafb.net/p/QDiAPu11.html hope you can find anything that i can get work proper. thank you at this time for all the effort Phuu... I would rewrite much of it. Anway... I try to keep the changes as small as possible. So I will not post whole config files. Is that okay with you? If you want, I could. Just let me know. I see you use Postfix.Admin. Right? You could speed up a lot of things by using proxy maps and other stuff. But there is no point for me to rewrite the config if you don't want/need. Anyway lets do the config stuff. In main.cf remove the content_filter part: content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 master.cf use this one here (I did a rewrite of it. Sorry for that. But the changes are commented in the file and I think you will understand why I changed things): http://rafb.net/p/f5PGTy80.html amavis.conf do this: Add a forward method on port 10025: $forward_method = 'smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025'; # where to forward checked mail Add notify method on port 10026 (we will use it in DSPAM as well for delivery of certain stuff): $notify_method = 'smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10026'; # where to submit notifications Remove DSPAM access from Amavis (it's better to run DSPAM outside amavisd-new and use other ways then amavisd-new for tagging mails. Amavis just runs under one single user and this is limiting the possibilities of DSPAM): #$dspam = 'dspam'; In dspam.conf: Your trusted and untrusted agent should probably be the sendmail binary (Postfix edition but the ebuild is already taken care of this): TrustedDeliveryAgent /usr/sbin/sendmail UntrustedDeliveryAgent /usr/sbin/sendmail Switch the delivery to SMTP (remember the port 10026 above for amavisd-new? Well... we are going to reuse that port for DSPAM delivery): DeliveryHost127.0.0.1 DeliveryPort10026 DeliveryIdent localhost DeliveryProto SMTP Change the DSPAM server to use auto mode: ServerQueueSize 32 ServerMode auto Add config to identify the DSPAM agent and daemon (as ident I used kw1 for kraftwerk1): ServerPass.kw1 9252173122311528111 ServerParameters--deliver=innocent ServerIdent kw1.dspam.server ServerDomainSocketPath /var/run/dspam/dspam.sock ClientHost /var/run/dspam/dspam.sock ClientIdent [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the Gentoo forum you will find much more configuration tips and tricks.. Just search for the user SteveB and for the keyword dspam or postfix or amavis. I run DSPAM for a long time and have probably a different viewpoint on DSPAM then you. This does not mean that my way is better then other configurations. I just got used of doing it a certain way. I as well have patched my DSPAM with about 20 own made patches. Some of them add new functions and some of them fix memory leaks and others do speed up things (I speeded up the MySQL part
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Ok again What about suexec? Wheres the suexec logfile? Did your apache support suexec? If not youll send the command with [EMAIL PROTECTED] to dspam but as user www-data which would not be accept !DSPAM:1011,490e1519150922065315115!
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A real email address would help. And reading the manual and bringing the webserver logfiles would help to And it seems youre a hoster or hosting service or something like that and wanna help for not reading the manual after 3 hours? Read the manual and your problem is solved. I cant write here now what you cant find there. And I don't wanna do for someone don't wanna show us a real email address and don't wanna read the manual im sorry !DSPAM:1011,490d269f150921331344383!
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Jup, linking from the mainpage would be nice Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week SO SEND MAILS if youre interested :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kyle Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 13:16 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49085b12150922064184740!
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As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,49087e0a150921469312949!
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Felix is right, in fiorst line developers are needed What about the apache foundation and spamassasin maybe we should talk with them to bring out an hybrid fork whatever :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Felix Schwarz Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:37 An: Julien Valroff Cc: Jani Partanen; dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Julien Valroff schrieb: Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying I will do. Please stop offering hosting etc. This doesn't matter imho. What is missing (and it was missing for every single fork thread in the past) is developers. So if you are no developer, there is not much you can do. Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. And don't bet on the hope that 'maybe not everyone is informed'. Getting real developers (and not 'web developers') which can code C with high quality is extremly hard. So either there are people on this list which do just start or DSPAM will be frozen like the last years. fs PS: Don't get me wrong - I would really like to see more development activities. But don't be naive: A successful fork is very hard and as a non-developer you probably underestimate the effort needed by a factor of 10. !DSPAM:1011,49075255150925852358820!
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Looks to me for a first Step for a new Start.. there some real interesting new Informations But theres also always an alternative to SF. I don’t like the SF Idea cause youll need many Stuff yourself anyway. Ok it could (and should) be registered anyway But there not that much usefull tools for the project (forums unusable bugtracker can much better, slow servers and many ads) But this is just an location discussion and as we heared (and I self offered) there many possible locations for hosting stuff and theres many gpl software management (trackers, supportsystem, dorums and so) out there to host and mange this project by the ourself - the community But this isn’t the real important question. The real one is Fork or no fork. If no fork what is sn willing to do together with us (because we will do the most work for their product) so asking about support in some way from sn isn’t to much I guess. (and I guess this wasn’t English in any way. I am sorry I cant see the difference I just partially know the words *g*) And who is willing to do which kind of job/role in this project and who will approve that? Maybe option is isn’t a non starter if website... stays but get new management and support by sn... I think there also many possible varations of these 3 options. So lets talk about :-) PS: and im happy to started that thread... really happy to see the ongoing discussion and information and the resulted opportunities ... hey what im saying. If a program have a bug and project seems to be dead simple reactive the hole project so someone solve the bug lol) - The third alternative (SN manage the project as now) is, to me at least, a non-starter, and I hope we can move past that with one of the two alternatives above. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,48fcce7d150928597596905!
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Sorry mark but I cant agree Dspam need active development. The current state (and im not talking about the bugs) is maybe somekind of stable But it isnt that finished solution in any way. There much things to do and many improvements and we need a future not a short wound fixing idea An server side multiuser antispam solution isnt a thing you can change within one day. Every server need documentation for their users how to use it. What do you think will happen when even a small server has to change from dspam to another software? And this WILL happen without active development AND maintance. The thing about packages and release is just the end of the production line. An important no question. but only a part. Without future developing the project is death. Maybe you can fix some wounds but what is about some improvements or better webui (some people wanna do that but they scared that the base is death so they wont start it) And what is in 2 years ? There also some things open beside the bugs (like the whole group thing isnt that production ready) Im sorry but without active lifesing by the project maintainers ill see no future -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mark Rogers Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2008 12:12 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active? Marcin M. Jessa wrote: Sure, the idea was to try to make the life easier for people who need prepackaged software. I am not saying Linux is better or worse, I am just saying I experienced it's easier to get package updates upstream on BSDs. This may be part of a way forward. I understand that the Gentoo packages are pretty up to date and well maintained, and it sounds like the same is true on the BSD side? What would be needed for one of those to be used as the base for general releases? Dspam probably doesn't need any active development as much as it needs active maintenance, and that already exists elsewhere. We just need to take advantage of it in a way which doesn't cause those maintainers a headache. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,48f71596150928416651898!
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@Hendrikx Youve got the Point. Look I think we must look for a lifesing from the original Maintainer. There might be manyreasons why the projects semms to be frozen. Maybe lack of communityresponse or whatever else. And youre right if nothing comes from there the project dspam itself is dead and maybe a fork is the solution. In any case code developers needed. Simply to help the maintainer or restart fresh... This is one absolute basic thing, that’s why im aksing about a lifesign Without that any additional help and support, any ideas and bugfixing is worthless and we can forget dspam. There some people willig to make a new php based frontend but wont help without core developers and theyre hard to find for this project (its seems to be hmm) !DSPAM:1011,48f722a8150921917292142!
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Hmm sorry I didnt know that the rights are sold. But why they dindt do anything? But in that case (maybe im wrong tell me if iam) I see no chance to make a fork. Ok its gpl but wont the right still reserved at sensory networks? Dont understand me wrong but that might be a free support for sensory without something coming back. Wont be a good idea I think -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mohammed Alli Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2008 15:12 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active? Well since the rights to Dspam was sold to Sensory Networks, it will be up to us to develop it. Although I'm not a programmer, I'd like to see this project maintained. It's very powerful, but does lack fine tuning. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:17 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active? @Hendrikx Youve got the Point. Look I think we must look for a lifesing from the original Maintainer. There might be manyreasons why the projects semms to be frozen. Maybe lack of communityresponse or whatever else. And youre right if nothing comes from there the project dspam itself is dead and maybe a fork is the solution. In any case code developers needed. Simply to help the maintainer or restart fresh... This is one absolute basic thing, that's why im aksing about a lifesign Without that any additional help and support, any ideas and bugfixing is worthless and we can forget dspam. There some people willig to make a new php based frontend but wont help without core developers and theyre hard to find for this project (its seems to be hmm) !DSPAM:1011,48f7334f150928055189282!
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Youre right. It is Important. But bevore you can release anything we need a Base on which the core team (or maybe new developers) can do their work. Its also useless a fine release without users. So bevore you can make a new release we need some basics where we can harvest all bugs and issues and make a roadmap on that. We also need the basics to communicate the roadmap, a base to support the new release - on maillinglist only its not a good way. Don't understand me wrong I like that more personally but globally for the goals of this project its not productive. We also need a big lifesign, from the core team and from the community and people willig to help. But at the Moment I cant see a real lifesign by any developers. Maybe im wrong (sorry I don't know their names or how many they are really :-) See it from the other side. Lets say youre mail is successfully and theres coming a bugfixed patched release. Ok. Only a few people will recognize it simply because manypeople still thinking the project isn't alive anymore. The new people will suffer with the install because the documentation is very old and primary suggest bigger multiserver installs. And ife were real lucky and there comming many people back to dspam what about the support? They flood the list So we need basics every bigger project has (bugtracker, forum, better webbrowseable structed documentations and all the other project communication and resource stuff). On this base a new release will be able to grow in a good way and will have much better response and is special for new users more useable. But anyway doesn't matter which thing comes first (basics or release) we need a lifesign by core and website owner. Ok some people here could start their own supporting websites for dspam but that's useless wasting time ... So we need an answer by the project owners and the core delevopers that we should do something, what we should do and how we should do to help And they have to tell us what they will do for us :-) Only by this way the dspam community and the owners can support each other. Each other separated way is unproductive and the result of such an way we can see now. Old documentation. Old buggy release, buggy svn, non dev maillinglist (or is there any?) scared users and the most users (me too) really don't know whats going on and just desperate hopeing for a better future :-) Mark Rogers: The whole issue of releases is a major problem with dspam. It shouldn't be expected that.. !DSPAM:1011,48f7087f150921224325476!
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Jari sorry but that’s not really true. Im not talking about out of the box installation, and documentation is madeable by anyone. But depending which kind of installation you use (special daemon mode) there are some real issues that are not wirking for most. Theres also a lack of some major changes. First suexec for the webinterface is horrible, Second still using files for protocol and statistics while the userprefs are storend in mysql also not that good. These things causes some permission problems. So here is some kind of improvement necessary. (and there many possible solutions how to solve that) Ife also no dspam logfile with the svn version (I just get binary waste into it) And if I use the daemon in background the errormessages get transported to the foreground in the console (lol) There should be also a damon background mode for the star-stop-daemon and some fallback solutions. (messages get lost or going to the dspam user if database server is down) These are major things... It would be also good having a framework or something like that for the webui instead of an perl script. I really don’t like it from the point of security view. That we need an htaccess access is also not optimal. There better ways But no one can do a new webinterface nonper based (lets say based on java or php) without active delevopment. I know many people still loves perl but special with suexec it’s a major security thread. And were still not talking about the mostly non or badworking group support. Here many things nesecarry. Also you cannot control what groups doing and how good they working. Not systemwide. Also make no sense having a managed,shared group but having splittet historys Theres also a problem with forwarding multiple emails for trainings (with mysql signature). I asked on that list bevore but got no response so I think its really not possible (if I forward 2 emails for traing both get detected I dan see in the debug log but only one of them get accepted if someone knows something ...:-) Next thing is you’ve no real working overview (if you use spamtraps) how good theyre working . So dspam is often working as a blackbox and you can simply hope. Ok you can turn on debug but that make no real sense.. There many not ready or not really production useable even with 15 users and far not with 1500. About the license. I don’t think its that easy to fork it even in gpl. Im not an gplv2 specialist but it means not everyone can form and restart it again( I think) there some reason why some gpl projects got sold for a billion or 2 :-) And only getting the approved maintainance without be shure about the license make no sense. By all love to dspam im not willing to support a company which bought a software and wait for their users to develop it. About SOURCEFORGE Partitial maby but sourceforge have some major disadvantages. You cannot really use their forums for supporting. Their bugtracking is also not the top of the food line. There better solutions and as we can see many people wanna support. I would see it some people hosting parts of it. There many way to do that. But theres a reason why the most bigger projects are only for downloads or as an list entry at sourceforge but their project sites, tracker and forums are hosted privately Sourceforge has also many advertising. But honestly if this project get forged im shure we can easily cover all hosting costs by using own ads or simply use non... The point is the project maintainers can decide if they wanna have this while at sourceforge you have to and get only a little space on real slow server. Jari Juslin I half agree here. DSpam could use a lot more documentation and ease-of-installation,.. !DSPAM:1011,48f79da4150921566013356!
AW: [dspam-users] dspam 3.6.8/Ubuntu Harday and shared,managed Setup
Guy, :-) Nope dont work form me either in shared. From my Point of knowlege you have to use the svn version (but on my installation ill get destroyed dspam log file with the svn) to use the shared groups So at the moment on my installation: SVN: Shared managed seems partial at work, but the mails still go into the user mailbox. (But with Bad filtering Results, also the History user specifict not central - i know ist not a feature but should be :-) Versions 3.8.0: setup and shared groups no quarantine works. Not the managed one not the single user quaratine. But i have a guess. I use globalsetting tagging, and only user and group specific quaratine. It also doesnt work when i set user and group user all to quarantine but : maybe this setting is ignored for shared group and only the global work, dont know, cannot test it now anymore (and dont wanna cause now ife a working system but i use no groups yet cause it seems not real good working. Ive also to switch from 3.8.0 to svn because sometimes i wanna check the logging so ife to switch back to 3.8. I know it sounds suboptimal but it works now and seems to be stable Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mohammed Alli Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 14:22 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: [dspam-users] dspam 3.6.8/Ubuntu Harday and shared,managed setup Guys, If I use the above setup with the CGI webfrontend, should the quarantine also work? I can't seem to get it working as mails are not logged to the .mbox file, therefore the quarantine is always empty. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, MO !DSPAM:1011,48ef5950150921580119162!
AW: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
Omg, what ive started and why i was the first one ? *g* Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von mourik jan heupink Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Oktober 2008 12:57 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active? Hi all, Is there a fork? I didn't know that. It would explain the (relative) silence here. Dspam is such a terrific piece of software, and there is so little traffic on this list. I have been wondering for ages WHY that is. It looks completely abandoned... !DSPAM:1011,48ede746150928832515288!
AW: [dspam-users] Dspam Project still active?
I Agree partitial. Release Policy is not that easy, but there must be a transparent one. And we need new Relases and Bugfixes. I understand, ist a lot of work behind that Project no question about. Some things are great, some not that big :-) Also lack of Documentation might be a reason why many uses dont wanna set up Dspam. Many oft them Struggle with the Documentation and some (me too) are a bit scared because ist not updated and nobody outside the mailling list is able to determine if this project is still running or not. So what we need (fromm y Point of View, maybe wrong one). 1. A Lifesign from the Core Team with an Release Policy (doesnt matter which Kind but anything we can deal with) 2. Actual Documentation, better Structured, and some proofed HowTos (min one for each installation method) and a guide Which kind of installation method would be recommended in relation to the size of the setup and the OS of the customer = newusers :-) 3. Better Communication System, Im sorry but a hardly Searchable, non cathegorized Maillinglist is nice fort he good old days (the one without spam, anyone remeber?) but we need something more structured. 4. maybe bugtracking system too but it would be also ok in a forum,.. everything is better than distribute it by an mailling list lol I guess many Questions, and many Time for everyone will be saved with that. 6. Developers Documentation so ist easier to make 3rd Party tools like an php interface or some major additonal ideas / plugins whatever ... 7. then we can talk about a new all in one bugfix release (because without point 1 to 6 ist nearly worthless) So ist easy to say what we need and want, but its a lot additional work. I dont think the core Team should do it. This should be a community work. So ill offer my Help and ask everyone to do the same. (Beside my horrible bad english i could restructure the documentation and things like that). Its also a thing of Motivation. Ive also driven some non commercal projects, but ist really hard to do your job for years and all you hear is help me please,.. do that please, we wanna have please (please in best case often they say hey what you did is bullshit do it better lol) So i hope community help is welcome (beside money i dont have *g*) and will help to remotived and show how really needed and important this project is. In Fact there is no real Filter/Quarantine System with Central Userwebfrontend out there. Ok some wired solutions on spamassing but nothing real great,.. ok there some things like maja and co but without this crappy cpanel spamassisn has no real useable webfrontend. So i thing the only reasy why these project has a much bigger community ist he hard access to dspam and bad communication. And i really belive with soem small bugfixes, some hard community driven communication and documentation, and finally some major new conceps in some ways dspam has still the abillity to get a major opensource project. A real major. Antispam/virus solution is nearly important like web and emailservers itself. And there is no real good alternative So i reall ybelive in the project but i also belive ist possible it will die sooner or later without support from us the users Best regards Rm PS: im sorry form y real bad english i hope most of you understand what im trying to say. If not just ask me ill try then to decrypt my english lol... -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Quanah Gibson-Mount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:45 PM -0600 Jeff Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you ever going to release a new version, or are we supposed to keep building from CVS? That doesn't work very well for ports and package maintainers. !DSPAM:1011,48ee8a8e150921355120917!
[dspam-users] Retraining by Aliases, Mysql Signature
Hello, Im using Dspam 3.8.0 and SVN latest (still switching and testing :-) Im absolutly shure at my first testing it was possible to forward Multiple Messages to retrain. But now only the Last one get retrained. When i Try to send 2 email by forward i recived this in my Debug found signature '1031,48e0ec48238175667589034' 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] found signature '1031,48e0ec48238175667589034' 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] found signature '1031,48e0ec47238141297889239' 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] found signature '1031,48e0ec47238141297889239' loading preferences for user username 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] Loading preferences for uid 1031 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] Loading preferences for uid 0 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] loaded default preferences externally 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] processing signature. length: 7856 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] reversing 491 tokens 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] Control: [10 10] [12 8] Delta: [2 -2] 23896: [09/29/2008 17:00:00] reclassifying iteration 1 result: 0 So isnt it possible to retrain mutiple Messages? (i really really think it worked out bevore im absoljutly shure but maybe i was to tired and just dreamed that :-) I use MysqlSig in Bodys, virtualuser support ist compiled but i use realusers. Dspam is running as Mailbox command from Postfix and delivers to Procmail (with clamd virus check in the middle) If ist not possible please a link to a script or something to retrain. Thanks in forward PS: sorry im not an native english speaker,.. so if youre not understand what im trying to say simply ask for an explanation :-) !DSPAM:1011,48e1853d15092200972!
