Re: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Forum first is a good idea. I suppose one moderator is all that will be needed, depending on the volume of course. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PS: if someone wanna make a nice dspam related template for phpbb3 let me > know and ill save some time. > > > > !DSPAM:1011,49236e8d150926144910950!
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PS: if someone wanna make a nice dspam related template for phpbb3 let me know and ill save some time. !DSPAM:1011,492369b9150921897678767!
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Forum is installed today. Only a few settings left and ill post the link then. But sadly only one want tob e moderator so im still asking myself i fit make sense but ok ill do it now we will see. Maillinglist will follow and also an gateway tot he forums (maybe beta) New wiki? We never talked about it :-) Lets make this forum thing first and let see who ist he response Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kyle Johnson Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. November 2008 21:58 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? So, what's up? :) 1. New Wiki 2. Forums 1. Forum Moderators 3. Fixed mailing list (Can someone confirm what is broken?) 4. Link to new wiki and forums on website 5. ?? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4923692a150921376121274!
Re: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
So, what's up? :) 1. New Wiki 2. Forums 1. Forum Moderators 3. Fixed mailing list (Can someone confirm what is broken?) 4. Link to new wiki and forums on website 5. ?? On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... > > As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on > the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my > own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my > documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see > http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on > using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. > > Let's see where it takes us... > > Richard > > > > On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: > > I would like to help out. >> --Applied >> >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster < >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So well do it >> >> >> Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link >> but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week >> >> >> So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will >> do also some work. >> >> But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) >> >> >> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 >> An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com >> Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? >> >> >> Hey all, >> >> >> Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main >> page. >> >> >> Cheers >> >> mick >> >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - >> Webmaster >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM >> To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com >> Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? >> >> >> As we can see no easy desicion :-) >> >> >> I will take a look about the linking thing >> >> I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be >> much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't >> know how to subscribe) have it easier. >> >> >> But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and >> forum. >> >> Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get >> lost >> >> >> When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like >> golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are >> needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > !DSPAM:1011,49232c4e150921560713410!
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First it's good to see the discussion heating up again... As I promised in the earlier discussions I'm willing to do the testing on the Mac platform as I currently support some users on OSX and have got my own mailserver running on it. i've included DSpam into my documentation/instruction set for setting up a mailserver under mac osx (see http://diymacserver.com/docs/). So answering question on using/compiling/configuring DSpam on OSX would be my way of helping. Let's see where it takes us... Richard On 29 Oct 2008, at 8:42 PM, Kyle Johnson wrote: I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4908d165150921599010312!
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I would like to help out. --Applied On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Imposit.com - Webmaster < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So well do it > > > > Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link > but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week > > > > So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will > do also some work. > > But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) > > > > *Von:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Im Auftrag von *Mick Johnson > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 > *An:* dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com > *Betreff:* RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? > > > > Hey all, > > > > Forum's a good idea – we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main > page. > > > > Cheers > > mick > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Imposit.com - > Webmaster > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM > *To:* dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com > *Subject:* AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? > > > > As we can see no easy desicion :-) > > > > I will take a look about the linking thing > > I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much > better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know > how to subscribe) have it easier. > > > > But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and > forum. > > Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost > > > > When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like > golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are > needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) > > > > > !DSPAM:1011,4908bddf150924461971774!
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Sorry to interrupt this conversation but is there any Chance that SN will fix this Mailing List Server ? I am trying to get myself off the list since a week. Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Imposit.com - Webmaster Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:36 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4908bdd7150928748915593!
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So well do it Im still readin about mailman/phpbb linking, maybe weve to wait for a link but ill setup a forum and a dev mailman maillinglist this week So what I need I now MODERATORS and listmanagers :-) shure I can and will do also some work. But help is welcome so send your applications now :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mick Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 20:17 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4908bb28150921397751038!
RE: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Hey all, Forum's a good idea - we'd be more than happy to link to it from the main page. Cheers mick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Imposit.com - Webmaster Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:15 AM To: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,4908b691150921459714913!
AW: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
As we can see no easy desicion :-) I will take a look about the linking thing I think a dual solution maybe suitable, but the maillingaccess must be much better documentated so new users (and you wont belive how many don't know how to subscribe) have it easier. But what we need then is the link from the homepage to the new list and forum. Without that it would be a nice feature for existing users but new get lost When we get this we can also make some posts to it newsplattforms like golem or so and tell them that the project is active and developers are needed. Maybe well get response and some more users :-) !DSPAM:1011,49087e0a150921469312949!
Re: AW: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: Ahm every modern Forum can be set to send an email for every post to all readers of the thread including the message Hmm, well that's fine but I for one won't be reading the threads! If someone posts something in dspam-dev I'll receive it, read it, decide whether it's interesting and reply/follow the conversation/whatever. If someone posts something in a forum I'll have no idea they posted it, I'll not read it, I'll not respond. If that only applies to me then it's no big loss, but as I said in my experience that's how most devs work. I am on about 50 (maybe more) mailing lists at any one time, some very low traffic, some much busier. The likelihood of me instead visiting 50+ forums every day to see if anything has happened is nil! Forums may work well for busy projects where there is too much going on to suit a mailing list, although even then I'd not visit very often. What tends to happen is with (say) the Ubuntu forums I'll go there because I have a question (usually drawn in by a Google search), and I *may* then explore a few other interesting threads while I'm there. If I have a lot of problems then I'll spend more time there or visit more frequently. But with dspam-dev I strongly suspect that a forum would die very quickly through lack of traffic. On the other hand, forums are much easier to search for past conversations than mailing lists are, and a forum linked to a mailing list would gain the best of both worlds. Linking the Ubuntu forums to mailing lists would probably be unworkable - too much traffic, too many subscribers - but we're nowhere near that volume of traffic or that number of subscribers. Ill take a look which forums can link to a maillinglist but chances are not that great. phpBB can (see mail2forum.com) albeit limited to phpBB v2 at the moment, although there is a v3-compatible alpha available at the moment. (I've not used it, I just know its there.) If someone spamms, the moderation can only prevent future spams, but the old one are on way while in a forum you can mass delete with one click, lock ips, . It's a shame we don't know of any software that might detect and remove spam from email :-) Seriously, though, is mailing list spam a problem? I don't get any. Otherwise we would split existing users into 2 groups (and we have not so many active users) so the danger is great that both can break the community to death This is why personally I would be +1 for mailing list linked to forum, but -1 for setting up a forum otherwise. On the other hand. Maillinglists are not suiteable for big traffic. Not really true. Generally if there is that much genuine traffic on a list then there's a good reason to split the list into smaller topics (and in a very fusy forum it makes sense to have sub-forums). But in any case it's not relevant, these lists are not busy. When they are, it will be fine to have forum+list separated as each can live on its own. Make also no sense transport the hole traffic to everyone so I think a forum with email reminder would be better (guess why every other project has mostly forums and if they have a maillinglist only as an addition for a small user group) The comparable projects I can think of have healthy mailing lists. Sure end-user non-tech stuff tends to be in forums, but (a) all the LUGs I am involved with have mailing lists, and very few have forums; (b) projects like Asterisk, IPCop, MySQL, MythTV, Postfix (from a quick scan through some of my subs) have healthy lists - maybe also forums, I have no idea!, (c) dspam has mailing lists and you'd likely lose people by moving to forums, and we've already agreed that splitting the traffic of a low volume list into list and forum is a bad thing. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,490877bf150921911016403!
Re: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Le 29 oct. 08 à 14:08, Mark Rogers a écrit : Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week Well if you can find a forum with a mailing list link that would suit everybody. I think forums are great for archiving but I'll read pretty much everything dspam related that comes through my inbox, whilst I only go to forums when I am looking for something (I don't hang around in them "just in case"). In my experience that's quite common, particularly amongst devs. +1 if something point out regarding a new php-based interface I could give some time to help (dev part only, not design) !DSPAM:1011,49086728150921337754891!
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Why? Ahm every modern Forum can be set to send an email for every post to all readers of the thread including the message Don't understand me wrong, for me a maillinglist is the "cheapest" method. If my mailserver have 100 or 5000 mails more a day I don care. A forum on the toher side with lets say 100 active user or 500 is a big difference and much more load. But I think a forum with email reminder at new posts is better. You can have moderators, you can close senseless threads. You can stick the important ones . You can make read only or hidden subforums for developers all real usefull things. Not only as an archive. If is good structured its also able to suite the patches and stuff like this. Ill take a look which forums can link to a maillinglist but chances are not that great. One another big plus for a forum is that all communication is stored in the database permanently. So we can do everything with it (like latest post from an moderated new patch thread as an topnews on the homepage..and stuff like this) Also register new user is easier for the most users on a forum. On the other hand maillinglist have 3 advantages: You can use them directly from the mail client. You see all new and actual post and reaction mabe better cause everyone getting remindet and answering is a oneclick thing Everyone can archive the list byhimself (maybe someone wanna do this but i don't think much users will do) But there not that easy to search even with a good webinterface for the archive. Its not that easy to answer on an old thread without having the original message (copy and paste grr) All messages are in single files like mbox.. don't make it easier to transfer them into antoher application If someone spamms, the moderation can only prevent future spams, but the old one are on way while in a forum you can mass delete with one click, lock ips, ... So I think there many advantages and new users (which don't know how to use majordomos mailing lists or afraid to try) can come easier BUT if to many people mean they would join a list but no forum we can only do a maillinglist Otherwise we would split existing users into 2 groups (and we have not so many active users) so the danger is great that both can break the community to death On the other hand. Maillinglists are not suiteable for big traffic. Ok they can to it but the "fast response and inform effect" is gone when oyu recive 30 or 50 posts a day. It will suck very fast,.. youll just going to delete and don't read most messages. Make also no sense transport the hole traffic to everyone so I think a forum with email reminder would be better (guess why every other project has mostly forums and if they have a maillinglist only as an addition for a small user group) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mark Rogers Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 14:08 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week Well if you can find a forum with a mailing list link that would suit everybody. I think forums are great for archiving but I'll read pretty much everything dspam related that comes through my inbox, whilst I only go to forums when I am looking for something (I don't hang around in them "just in case"). In my experience that's quite common, particularly amongst devs. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,490865cb150922881812596!
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Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week Well if you can find a forum with a mailing list link that would suit everybody. I think forums are great for archiving but I'll read pretty much everything dspam related that comes through my inbox, whilst I only go to forums when I am looking for something (I don't hang around in them "just in case"). In my experience that's quite common, particularly amongst devs. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49086043150923783785925!
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I would definitely join a new dev list, but probably not a forum. ? Imposit.com - Webmaster: Jup, linking from the mainpage would be nice Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week SO SEND MAILS if youre interested :-) *Von:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Im Auftrag von *Kyle Johnson *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 13:16 *An:* dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com *Betreff:* Re: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49085c08150921397126402!
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Jup, linking from the mainpage would be nice Ill take a look which forum we should use (maybe the typo3 forum or something like phpbb or so) But if I see interest ill do both (maillinglist and forum) this week SO SEND MAILS if youre interested :-) Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Kyle Johnson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 13:16 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,49085b12150922064184740!
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A forum (for both +dev and non-dev) is something that I think this project has needed for a long time. It would be helpful to have it linked to from dspam's home page... On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Mark Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: > >> If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. >> it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo >> thing :-) >> >> alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) >> >> > > I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking > for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a > forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... > > -- > Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 > Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG > > > > > > !DSPAM:1011,490853e4150921871617294!
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Imposit.com - Webmaster wrote: If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) I'm not going to be a major developer but will maybe do odd bits. Speaking for me only, if you set up a new -dev list I'll join it. If you set up a forum I'd be unlikely to visit it, though... -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,4908514b150921045616811!
AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
If there a need for a dev maillinglist I can setup one within a day. it would be based on mailman (which is any better than this majordomo thing :-) alternative we can setup as a quickfix a forum (maybe dev only) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mark Rogers Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 10:05 An: dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: Re: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Felix Schwarz wrote: > Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work > without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just > happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there > are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more > infrastructure. I think this bit here is the key. As far as I can tell, the dspam-dev list is broken, which *is* a big problem. It would perhaps help if someone set up an alternative dev list until the SN managed one is working - not having a forum for -dev talk is really not helping the project. Beyond that, as patches are posted it is likely that if SN don't incorporate them then someone will (for their own use) set up a code repository which includes the patches and (hopefully) make it available; from there, if the "unofficial" repository is more up to date then people will use that instead. To all intents and purposes that would be the start of a fork. On the other hand, maybe the same person would instead get access to the SN svn and maintain that instead; if so we have made progress without a fork. The decider will be whether that person finds it easiest to set up their own source repository or add to the official one, which in turn will be decided by how easy they find it to get write access to svn, how reliable that access is, etc, but could also just be decided on the basis they prefer git (or whatever) and set up their own repo anyway. Without a -dev forum, though, the development cannot proceed in a reliable way. -- Mark Rogers // More Solutions Ltd (Peterborough Office) // 0845 45 89 555 Registered in England (0456 0902) at 13 Clarke Rd, Milton Keynes, MK1 1LG !DSPAM:1011,490847c0150921893692706!
AW: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active?
Felix is right, in fiorst line developers are needed What about the apache foundation and spamassasin maybe we should talk with them to bring out an hybrid fork whatever :-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Felix Schwarz Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2008 18:37 An: Julien Valroff Cc: Jani Partanen; dspam-users@lists.nuclearelephant.com Betreff: [dspam-users] Re: Dspam Project still active? Julien Valroff schrieb: > Could someone try and sum up what would be the required competences to > set up such a fork? The same as always: Developers which are willing to work. As Jani I'm on this list since several years. For every fork talk, something is missing: People saying "I will do". Please stop offering hosting etc. This doesn't matter imho. What is missing (and it was missing for every single fork thread in the past) is developers. So if you are no developer, there is not much you can do. Any successful fork will need developers which do the hard work without immediate gains. So I think a successful fork will 'just happen' by someone who develops for his own and send patches. If there are enough patches floating around, someone will set up more infrastructure. And don't bet on the hope that 'maybe not everyone is informed'. Getting real developers (and not 'web developers') which can code C with high quality is extremly hard. So either there are people on this list which do just start or DSPAM will be frozen like the last years. fs PS: Don't get me wrong - I would really like to see more development activities. But don't be naive: A successful fork is very hard and as a non-developer you probably underestimate the effort needed by a factor of 10. !DSPAM:1011,49075255150925852358820!
