RE: [dstar_digital] Voice and Data on 92AD???
Richard, It amazes me your not the first to complain of this problem with the IC-92AD single 12 PIN connector. Maybe ICOM will reveal the connector supplier so we can finally get cables made at reasonable rates. Until then why don't you just pick up the handheld and key the PTT and talk into the microphone. With the radio connected for data it doesn't mute the speaker or microphone like when the speaker mic is plugged in. So I don't really understand why this is a poor implementation. not everyone keeps a speaker mic plugged into their radios all the time and you can use the radio without investment in a speaker mic. And after programming several of my friends IC-91 Radios I can tell you I much prefer the solid locked connector on the IC-92AD. Several times the mini phone plug came out of the IC-91AD radios jack while moving it around. This won't happen on the 92 AD! Barry KA0BBQ W0CDS B From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rrkpl Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:13 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [dstar_digital] Voice and Data on 92AD???
[dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???
Hi Jon, In my particular application I need to have the radio connected to an amp to hit the repeater from my house. It would just make it a lot cleaner not having to pick up the radio with all the wires hanging off it and use an external mic. With the 91 you could simulate the base station experience and have the radio hooked to a computer, amp and 12v supply. Thanks, Richard / N1VXW
RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???
Hi Richard, Well that makes sense and adds another element to why you dont want to use the radios speaker and microphone. Which amplifier are you using? My friend Gerry KC0CAT has a small VHF/UHF Amplifier running 50/45 Watts which he uses with his IC-91AD and it seems to work fine for his mobile rig digital. In reality its really not a design flaw with the radio as a single waterproof connection is ideal to the integrity of the radios water tight construction. The flaw lies with ICOMs marketing of accessories. They offer very few alternatives of their own to adapt ancillary equipment to their radio. I purchased the OPC-1797 Connection Cable to use one of my existing ICOM Speaker Microphones to the radio but you have this big mess of interconnection hanging off the radios pigtail. Of course if you want to use the data port for data you have to swap the OPC-1797 with the OPC-1799 Data Communications Cable. Perhaps they need to come out with an OPC-1800 Multipurpose Cable that would extend out 9 of the 12 usable pins. This brings up another question why use a 12 Pin connector when they use 9 Pin connectors on many of their Marine Radios? Not all 12 Pins are connected. Im still looking for the allusive 12-PIN connector itself but eh here is the pin out! Chassis Part Ref No.W1 Order No. 8900016810 Description OPC-1792 (Incl. W2) Chassis Part Ref No.W2 Order No. 8900016791 Description OPC-1763A cid:image003.png@01C8D05B.F5F5B0E0 1 Microphone 2 +5V 3 Clone à CPU 4 RS 232C RX232 5 RS 232C TX232 6 Ground 7 Speaker 8 Ground 9 OPTV à CPU 10 NC 11 NC 12 NC Here in Denver House of Cables is willing to manufacture just about any type of cable we desire we just cant find the plugs manufacture. Another company here in Colorado manufactures a GPS Speaker Microphone for the military and has recently gained approval to market it commercially (however not a submersible variant) that isnt much larger than the ICOM GPS Microphone and provides an LCD screen right on the microphone itself, which when separated from the radio will work as a stand-alone GPS too. Not to mention the fact the microphone can send text messages using DTMF tone bursts to other microphone users, keep track of up to 6 other users on your team, multiple teams etc. Guess this was based on the military version for special forces squads or something. But for those with IC-91AD radios they already have a speaker microphone connector for the radio just doesnt interface with the data port on your radio. http://infinitygearradios.com/pdfs/GPS-MIC-1-Specs-Q2-WEB.pdf http://infinitygearradios.com/pdfs/GPS-MIC-1-Connectors-WEB.pdf Barry A. Wilson KAØBBQ W0CDS B ARES CO District 13 Emergency Coordinator Serving City and County of Denver [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cellular 303-748-3665 From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rrkpl Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 5:00 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD??? Hi Jon, In my particular application I need to have the radio connected to an amp to hit the repeater from my house. It would just make it a lot cleaner not having to pick up the radio with all the wires hanging off it and use an external mic. With the 91 you could simulate the base station experience and have the radio hooked to a computer, amp and 12v supply. Thanks, Richard / N1VXW [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???
I purchased the MIRAGE BD-35 Dual band Liner Amplifier from HRO Atlanta and it works fine with D-Star with a 91A/D connected. I hit the repeater K5CTX from 30 miles in a hilly area of Texas between Waco/Temple/and College Station. KI5M - Mike --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, rrkpl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the 91 you could simulat the base station experience and have the radio hooked to a computer, amp and 12v supply. Thanks, Richard / N1VXW
Re: [dstar_digital] Re:JOTA on D-Star?
Hi Tony, You recommendation (using the reflectors as a calling 'channel' and moving to a working connection) makes a lot of sense. The shortcoming will be skilled DSTAR operators being able to link, set up a contact, unlink, and enter the UR of the contact station, make the contact, and then relink for another setup. The link and unlink UR's can easily be saved in memory but it will take a little coordination to go through the steps. These folks most likely will not have dstarusers.org available via internet. It may be more functional to spread contacts out over several different reflectors ? or put together a quick list of participating URs that can be pre-programmed into the field radios ? Thanks, Steve NU5D Tony Langdon wrote: At 01:24 PM 10/13/2008, you wrote: Hi Stan, There will be a few Scout Groups using VK3RWN B and VK4RGC B or C for JOTA. From discussions on this list we will link VK3RWN port B to REF004 A for part of the JOTA weekend. Just a thought, based from previous experience with JOTA and IRLP. Back in 2001 and 2002, I was involved in JOTA on IRLP. Back then, we used a similar idea, encouraging JOTA stations to connect to a particular reflector. What we found was that while the reflector was an excellent meeting place to make initial contact, where problems occurred is when stations stared holding QSOs on the reflector. When this happened, two JOTA stations would effectively tie up the reflector, and everyone else would be sitting on the side, waiting their turn. On the last JOTA I was involved with, we tried an experiment, and used the reflector as a calling frequency, and when JOTA stations made contact, we'd pair them off and get them to make direct contact. This worked to a point. Where there was a skilled operator on one end, the JOTA stations would go away, connect directly and put the kids on to talk. When they'd finished, they'd come back to find someone else. As a service, I'd keep a list of waiting stations, so they could be paired up as quickly as possible. Where this fell down was that a lot of JOTA operators were inexperienced (in some cases, this was their first contact) with IRLP, and were relatively inactive on air, except for JOTA. In the worst cases, the JOTA operators were given no information or training in how to use IRLP. I fear, this could be a big issue for D-STAR. Anyway, just throwing in a few thoughts. Good luck, and I hope D-STAR is a success for this year's JOTA. I'm interested to know how it goes. 73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com - [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???
Hi Barry, I'm using the same setup as Mike KI5M is using, the Mirage BD-35. It puts out about 40 watts on the MID (2.5W) setting on the 92AD and works fine in the house and car. It gives the flexibility of having a HT and base/mobile rig for about $180 more than the 92 costs. I wonder if the OPC-1799 data cable could be opened up and run a couple of more pairs for the audio? I haven't seen the mic/data connector in person, is it a sealed unit or does it disassemble? Also that GPS mic you included the info for is way cool. I'm a little sceptical about laying out the bux for the Icom GPS mic but if the Infinity GPS mic would interface to the Icom I'd snap it up in a second. Richard / N1VXW --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Barry A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, Well that makes sense and adds another element to why you don't want to use the radios speaker and microphone. Which amplifier are you using?
RE: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD???
Richard, Both of the cables supplied by ICOM are sealed cables at both ends. ICOM supplies the OPC-1799 Data Communications cable with only 3 pins connected to the DB 9 connector pin 2 (+5v) pin 3 (Clone CPU) pin 5 (TX232) So in their infinite wisdom they supply a 12 Pin Jack Assembly on the radio to a 9 Pin Sub D Connector using only 3 wires! I mean come on ICOM . supply us with a cable terminated to the 9 Pin Sub D so we can break out the signals as we desire. OK charge me another $55 for the cable. but at least provide it so we can determine what we as a user want to interface to our radio! Yeah those microphones actually cost about the same as the ICOM microphone less the radio cable. So you can purchase cables to adapt to most commercial radios on the market but your getting a stand alone GPS unit, a microphone you can adapt to all of your radios, and the ability to send short text messages. The DTMF tones for the longest message only burst for about 1.5 seconds if I remember correctly. You can see other team members on your display from your location by distance and elevation. You can also click on the desired team member ICON and address your text message to the individual or to your whole team. Barry KA0BBQ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rrkpl Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:36 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: [dstar_digital] Re: Voice and Data on 92AD??? Hi Barry, I'm using the same setup as Mike KI5M is using, the Mirage BD-35. It puts out about 40 watts on the MID (2.5W) setting on the 92AD and works fine in the house and car. It gives the flexibility of having a HT and base/mobile rig for about $180 more than the 92 costs. I wonder if the OPC-1799 data cable could be opened up and run a couple of more pairs for the audio? I haven't seen the mic/data connector in person, is it a sealed unit or does it disassemble? Also that GPS mic you included the info for is way cool. I'm a little sceptical about laying out the bux for the Icom GPS mic but if the Infinity GPS mic would interface to the Icom I'd snap it up in a second. Richard / N1VXW --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com mailto:dstar_digital%40yahoogroups.com , Barry A. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Richard, Well that makes sense and adds another element to why you don't want to use the radios speaker and microphone. Which amplifier are you using? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [dstar_digital] Re:JOTA on D-Star?
At 01:39 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote: Hi Tony, You recommendation (using the reflectors as a calling 'channel' and moving to a working connection) makes a lot of sense. The shortcoming will be skilled DSTAR operators being able to link, set up a contact, unlink, and enter the UR of the contact station, make the contact, and Based on my IRLP experience, I agree totally Steve. Unfortunately, as I said previously, skilled operators, especially in the newer modes, seem to be at a premium during JOTA. Maybe we need to take a broader view of JOTA and act as Elmers for those who will be doing the actual operating on the weekend, throughout the year. Perhaps something that can be organised through our respective national societies (WIA, ARRL, RSGB, etc) as the point of contact and coordination. then relink for another setup. The link and unlink UR's can easily be saved in memory but it will take a little coordination to go through the steps. These folks most likely will not have dstarusers.org available via internet. It may be more functional to spread contacts out over several different reflectors ? or put together a quick list of participating URs that can be pre-programmed into the field radios ? I'm not sure the best solution to resolve these issues, but it's clear to me that those who put in the time do need more support from those of us in the know. 73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
[dstar_digital] Re:JOTA on D-Star?
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Tony Langdon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:39 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote: Hi Tony, You recommendation (using the reflectors as a calling 'channel' and moving to a working connection) makes a lot of sense. The shortcoming will be skilled DSTAR operators being able to link, set up a contact, unlink, and enter the UR of the contact station, make the contact, and Based on my IRLP experience, I agree totally Steve. Unfortunately, as I said previously, skilled operators, especially in the newer modes, seem to be at a premium during JOTA. Maybe we need to take a broader view of JOTA and act as Elmers for those who will be doing the actual operating on the weekend, throughout the year. Perhaps something that can be organised through our respective national societies (WIA, ARRL, RSGB, etc) as the point of contact and coordination. then relink for another setup. The link and unlink UR's can easily be saved in memory but it will take a little coordination to go through the steps. These folks most likely will not have dstarusers.org available via internet. It may be more functional to spread contacts out over several different reflectors ? or put together a quick list of participating URs that can be pre-programmed into the field radios ? I'm not sure the best solution to resolve these issues, but it's clear to me that those who put in the time do need more support from those of us in the know. 73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
[dstar_digital] Re:JOTA on D-Star?
Hi all, Apologies for the previous message, not sure what happened. Having had a word with other members of the UK Interconnect Team we are happy to offer REF005C for this weekends JOTA activity. Plenty of bandwidth, and we can also put up a Last Heard page and a page highlighting what D-Star Repeaters are connected to REF005C which may be helpful to see what activity is about. If this is of interest to you let us know and we can get the webpages organised for the weekend. Regards, Declan M0TMX --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Declan Mc Glone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Tony Langdon vk3jed@ wrote: At 01:39 AM 10/14/2008, you wrote: Hi Tony, You recommendation (using the reflectors as a calling 'channel' and moving to a working connection) makes a lot of sense. The shortcoming will be skilled DSTAR operators being able to link, set up a contact, unlink, and enter the UR of the contact station, make the contact, and Based on my IRLP experience, I agree totally Steve. Unfortunately, as I said previously, skilled operators, especially in the newer modes, seem to be at a premium during JOTA. Maybe we need to take a broader view of JOTA and act as Elmers for those who will be doing the actual operating on the weekend, throughout the year. Perhaps something that can be organised through our respective national societies (WIA, ARRL, RSGB, etc) as the point of contact and coordination. then relink for another setup. The link and unlink UR's can easily be saved in memory but it will take a little coordination to go through the steps. These folks most likely will not have dstarusers.org available via internet. It may be more functional to spread contacts out over several different reflectors ? or put together a quick list of participating URs that can be pre-programmed into the field radios ? I'm not sure the best solution to resolve these issues, but it's clear to me that those who put in the time do need more support from those of us in the know. 73 de VK3JED http://vkradio.com
[dstar_digital] 92AD cable to use DRats
I have been using DRats on my ID-800H and it works well. I am trying to use DRats or DChat with the 92AD using the same cable that I use to program the 92AD from the laptop. It does not seem to work with DRats or DChat. Is there another cable that I should be using or am I doing something wrong? Tom Koch - W4UOC
