Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa
I thought Bouvet was Norwegian and nothing whatsoever to do with the US Fish and Wildlife Tom GM4FDM On 02/03/2011 00:28, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: (Moving discussion to DX Chat) Cedric, When the US Fish Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years. A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo operation went. As far as I know, it went well. But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards and their own way of doing things. So all we can do is be patient and wait for FWS to decide if when to let the group go to Navassa. 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa Hi Cedric! Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but workable from here. I haven't heard of anything else since then. Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwaryaaishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC. Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities. For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated KP5 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-) 73, Cedric HB9HFN http://www.hb9hfn.ch --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa
There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the bill died in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuade FWS but it needs enough support. __ Ryan, N2RJ Via iPhone On Mar 1, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Zack Widup w9sz.z...@gmail.com wrote: I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there. It's one of the six I still haven't worked. :-( 73, Zack W9SZ On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote: (Moving discussion to DX Chat) Cedric, When the US Fish Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years. A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo operation went. As far as I know, it went well. But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards and their own way of doing things. So all we can do is be patient and wait for FWS to decide if when to let the group go to Navassa. 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa Hi Cedric! Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but workable from here. I haven't heard of anything else since then. Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC. Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities. For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated KP5 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-) 73, Cedric HB9HFN http://www.hb9hfn.ch --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam, --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa
We have our own buraucracy !! Norwegian Polar Instutute , reporting to the Ministry of environment ! Cu at Stirling next month ? 73 rag la5he Fra: Tom GM4FDM t...@gm4fdm.com Emne: Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa Til: Kopi: dx-chat@njdxa.org Dato: Onsdag 2. mars 2011 12.19 I thought Bouvet was Norwegian and nothing whatsoever to do with the US Fish and Wildlife Tom GM4FDM On 02/03/2011 00:28, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: (Moving discussion to DX Chat) Cedric, When the US Fish Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years. A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo operation went. As far as I know, it went well. But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards and their own way of doing things. So all we can do is be patient and wait for FWS to decide if when to let the group go to Navassa. 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa Hi Cedric! Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but workable from here. I haven't heard of anything else since then. Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya aishwarya1...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC. Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities. For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated KP5 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-) 73, Cedric HB9HFN http://www.hb9hfn.ch --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa
I think we need an investigative journalist to find out WHY Fish Wildlife staff for the Caribbean has ben so against ANYONE not with the agency ever officiallylanding on "their" islands. One wonders if they are covering something up, or merely... overly enthusiastic, if not zealous,about doing their jobs. There's been innuendo for years about how some of the staff uses the islands for their own purposesMar 2, 2011 07:18:43 AM, rjai...@gmail.com wrote: There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the billdied in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuadeFWS but it needs enough support.__Ryan, N2RJVia iPhoneOn Mar 1, 2011, at 11:23 PM, Zack Widupwrote: I keep hoping a big-time DXpedition can make it to Bouvet some day. I didn't work Chuck Brady and I didn't work the last operation there. It's one of the six I still haven't worked. :-( 73, Zack W9SZ On 3/1/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: (Moving discussion to DX Chat) Cedric, When the US Fish Wildlife Service decided to permit the Desecheo operation, the impression left was that groups would be permitted to land on operate from both Desecheo and Navassa every few years. A lot of this going forward was dependent on how well the entire Desecheo operation went. As far as I know, it went well. But we are dealing with government bureaucrats who have their own standards and their own way of doing things. So all we can do is be patient and wait for FWS to decide if when to let the group go to Navassa. 73 -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 AM To: aishwarya1...@gmail.com Cc: dx-n...@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] Bouvet and Navassa Hi Cedric! Bouvet was actually on air in 2008 (3Y0E). The op was a brand new ham by the name of Petrus. He was a very weak signal on 20m phone but workable from here. I haven't heard of anything else since then. Desecheo was a couple of years ago too but news about Navassa has been pretty much slim to none. My guess is that activating Navassa would be significantly more difficult than Desecheo. Here is the website of the group that did KP5 - http://www.kp1-5.com/news.html 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Aishwarya wrote: Hello, There are the 2 last one I need for my DXCC. Does anybody know if there is a DXpedition planned to these entities? I remember that a few years ago a group was planning a trip to Bouvet but posponed it due to work on the island by the norvegian authorities. For KP1 (Navassa) I didn't hear anything. Maybe the group who activated KP5 is trying to put KP1 on the air :-) 73, Cedric HB9HFN http://www.hb9hfn.ch --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam, --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-news or subscribe dx-news This is the DX-NEWS reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Bouvet and Navassa, Desecheo
Ron, I think I can answer that question without need for an investigative reporter: politics. I worked very closely with USFWS in my years with the US National Park Service as a wildlife biologist. Given the constantly changing political climate and the consequent usually dramatic changes in policies (e.g., should FWS change wolves, polar bear, grizzly bear, salmon, bison, Island Marble Butterfly, etc, etc from Endangered to Threatened or take them altogether off the List? Should mining and drilling be permitted in a National Wildlife Refuge?), the US Fish Wildlife Service personnel, usually at the professional mid-management and field levels, are scared to death of doing or changing anything which might come back to bite them in the rear end one to ten years down the road. The do nothing option is the only choice they feel they have which will permit them to keep their jobs (and I know personnel who have lost their jobs by actually taking action on something). FWS is caught in the middle between hardcore environmentalists and committed open pit and petroleum miners. Most of the personnel can't be fired but if someone makes a decision that it would be OK to permit ham radio ops on Navassa or Desecheo Island, the risk is that someone might suddenly find their job has been eliminated. Thus, don't expect to see permitted operations on either island anytime soon. I hope I am wrong. I believe it will indeed require an act of Congress before we see further DXpeditions to KP1/5. Good thing for me since Caribbean contacts are difficult from my particular Arizona QTH under current propagation conditions :-( . 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS Certified Wildlife Biologist, Retd At 7:55 AM -0600 2/3/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: I think we need an investigative journalist to find out WHY Fish Wildlife staff for the Caribbean has ben so against ANYONE not with the agency ever officially landing on their islands. One wonders if they are covering something up, or merely... overly enthusiastic, if not zealous, about doing their jobs. There's been innuendo for years about how some of the staff uses the islands for their own purposes Mar 2, 2011 07:18:43 AM, rjai...@gmail.com wrote: There was an attempt to get Congress to open up KP1/5 but the bill died in committee. That is one avenue to pursue if we can't persuade FWS but it needs enough support. __ Ryan, N2RJ Via iPhone --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---