RE: [DX-CHAT] Hamvention: Forums Locations
I agree with you, Ron. I've not been to Dayton for a few years, but when I last went, the forums were held in a building about two minutes away by shuttle bus. Actually it was quicker to walkunless you'd just bought a large plate transformer as I had :-) The rooms were very good, though - and didn't suffer from all the noise that had plagues earlier years. People STILL complained, even though the buses were FREE and the joyrney took all of TWO MINUTES. Isn't the Crowne Plaza some distance away downtown? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. I thought the Hamvention was great, though I have to admit that I spent far more time in the fleamarket than anywhere else, and attended a few of the forums. I didn't spend much time inside the Hara Arena. However, I thought that the Hara Arena was a bit of an old dump. Even the old Messe at Friedrichshafen was far lighter, cleaner and better designed - and they then built a new one up near the Zeppelin Haus which is even nicer! The organizers of the Weinheim VHF convention in Germany made the same mistake one year and located the lecture rooms offsite. However, this was due to problems with the venue who simply could not (or rather would not) supply the rooms. Last year they moved to a different location at Bentheim just a few minutes away up the Bergstrasse and a quick blast up the autobahn. Everything was on site and it worked really well. I think the main hamfest, flea market, forums, lectures, café, bar etc all have to be co-located otherwise the event somehow loses its atmosphere. The thing that spoilt Dayton for me was the large group of people who paid for flea market stalls only to use them as car parking without selling anything. Presumably because they were too fat and last to walk a few hundred yards from the car park. Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius Sent: 27 May 2005 23:53 To: DX-CHAT Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Hamvention: Forums Locations One thing to keep in mind is that the switch of the two forums to the Crowne Plaza was done by the forum organizers, not the Hamvention staff. I think it was less than wise of them to permit and/or condone it (assuming that they had a choice) -- not because a more comfortable surrounding for forums at the CP (or elsewhere) is a bad thing -- hardly!-- but because it splits up the event. If this trend continues, it could lead to disaster for Hamvention. But understand one thing: I dislike separating parts of Hamvention off from the whole. That does not mean that I feel that Hamvention needs to stay at the HARA Arena forever! I've been going to Hamvention on off for over 25 years. The complaints on how run down the place was were ongoing way back when, and I can't say I've seen an improvement. The various additions to the building don't mesh well together, the air circulation has never been better than poor, and I couldn't tell you when it last got a lousy coat of paint -- yes, it's that bad. I don't know if they will, but the owners should level at least half of the additions and completely replace them with new construction... which would probably take two years minimum and cost a few million, probably why they won't do it. (Better yet: Build a new addition into the parking area and then after it opens, tear down some of the old ones and pave them over for new parking) Now: Does DARA have enough clout with the HARA owners to force some improvements? If they do, I haven't seen it yet. So riddle me this gang: Where else in the Dayton area could Hamvention take place (keeping in mind that DARA has previously stated that they won't move Hamvention out of town)? Isn't there a Convention Center downtown near the Crowne Plaza? What about Welcome Stadium and some of the other facilities at the University of Dayton? Alternatives are out there. If DARA hasn't thought of them (and we all have our moments of tunnel vision) maybe we need to prod them to do so. 73, ron wn3vaw - Original Message - From: Walter O'Brien, W2WJO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Hamvention: Forums Locations I agree, the whole bus thing is already bad enough, but having to get all the way to Crowne Plaza is poor planning at it's worst. Fix the forum situation at Hara and all will be solved, under one roof. Make the air conditioning work, and schedule the forums appropriate to the attendance for each, with enough chairs and space, and we won't need to travel all that way. Or at least arrange on site parking so we can get to our cars without a bus ride, OR provide shuttles to the Crowne Plaza from Hara. But that's the worst of all options. Hara is big enough to keep everything under one roof! 73 Walter W2WJO On May 27, 2005, at 9:56 AM, Jack - K4WSB wrote: Parking is difficult enough at the Hamvention. Requiring you to shelp to your
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O1YGF License?
Well said! NK not a nice regime. You can guarantee that any country calling itself The Peoples Democratic Rebublic of whatever is NOT run by the people, it's NOT democratic and it's NOT a republic - it's a totalitarian dictatorship. The fact that Ed got the rulers of such a state to give him permission to operate ham radio speaks volumes for the man. Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: 08 March 2005 06:46 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O1YGF License? The fact that Ed didn't get a bullet to the head is all the proof of authorization needed. He had a beam antenna in a country where no citizen is even allowed access to the internet or long distance phone service. If Ed didn't have authorization, he wouldn't have made it out of the country. North Korea is a far different situation than anywhere else on Earth and if you can't get past your petty jealousies to undestand that, then maybe you should give up DXing. Ed didn't need to produce a license, because there is no licensng body in North Korea, because there are no provisions for any civilian radio services in North Korea at all. No commercial radio, no CB, no FRS, no TV and no amateur radio. No radio services means no licensing body. Understand this? That's why Ed has no papers. Quit complaining about the ones you don't have or the ones that you have that don't count and work the ones that come along and hope they eventually count. DXing isn't fair! Deal with it and move along or find another hobby. Just quit whining! 73, Scott, N9AA - Original Message - From: Fred Souto Maior [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Notarius [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Cc: Mome Z32ZM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O1YGF License? Yes Ron it should be good if the same criteria could be also used with the P5 operations. No papers no credit. If P5 was approved without papers why 7O1YGF need to send any kind of papers to be accepted ?? That!s the point in evidence here as far as I know. Did you or anybody in this list ever saw any authorization, any licence any papers from North Korea authorities for any of the P5 operations ??? Fred - PY7ZZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] P5, 7O and stuff....
Perhaps Ed realised that people wading in with hob-nailed boots may have upset the very delicate situation? Remember that he spent several years carefully persuading the NK military and had spent a lot of time building up relationships. Sometimes when someone without the requisite diplomatic skills wades in, those who have been carefully talked into agreement begin to either lose their nerve (after all, they had stuck their necks out in a land where that's not encouraged) or go back into their entrenched anti stance and follow the rule book. I would imagine that soldiers in a particularly nasty military dictatorship would react this way! I don't know if Ed knew YT1AD and friends from Adam before they visited NK. I'm sure that they're good guys - indeed when I've spoken to Hrane he seems like a nice and knowledgeable chap - but maybe Ed didn't want to take any chances. Maybe they did screw things up for him as he had his permission revoked not long after that? On the subject of Yemen, I worked 7O/OH2YY in May 2002 - and that was accepted by ARRL. Does anyone know what OH2YY did differently to the 7O1YGF gang? Perhaps he knew the right people, both in Yemen and Newington? I believe he was there to work, rather than for a Dxpedition, and since the Arab world works on a basis of you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours (some people call it other things) maybe that made the difference? Perhaps OH2YY knew the right people at ARRL. A few years ago G3VMW and I were planning a trip to Somalia which never happened - when we approached the ARRL to find out what permission would be needed and from whom, they were most obstructive and unhelpful. Because there was (and still is) no central government in Somalia they just didn't seem interested in exploring other possibilities. Interestingly they now give approval to just about anyone who's got a scrap of paper from anyone who calls themselves an authority in Somalia - exactly what they said they wouldn't do for us. How does that differ from the mess described in this thread? Maybe I should have said I was OH2BH - do you think the answers may have been different? As Ron correctly says Hey folks, it's just DX - why are ARRL so anal about all this permission stuff. Weren't 7O1YGF THERE? Wasn't VU4/VU2JPS THERE? Weren't 7O1A THERE? What bloody difference does a scrap of paper from some little power crazed jerk in a peaked cap make? Remember all the rubbish around BS7H? If ARRL want rules, they should obey them in a consistent manner, not pick and choose on the basis of who they know and how they feel that day. If they'd done that, then there wouldn't be this debate. Ah, that's better. Now I've got that off my chest, I'll have a nice Sunday :-) 73 Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius Sent: 06 March 2005 00:58 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Cc: Mome Z32ZM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] P5 Am I reading this right? Is it now being asserted that P5/4L4FN went into hiding to avoid contact with YT1AD YU7AV when they attempted the aborted P5A operation? And that Ed may have had something to do with the lack of DPRK Military permission to operate P5A? What is this, the X-Files? Aren't we all letting the conspiracy theories get a little out of hand here? It is extremely unfortunate that the P5A operation was scrubbed. Did YT1AD YU7AV get the proverbial shaft after being led down the proverbial primrose path by the DPRK officials and such they were in contact with? Yes! No doubt! But what did Ed have to do with that? Hey folks, it's just DX. Let's crank the paranoia down a notch or three, shall we? 73 - Original Message - From: Mome Z32ZM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NJDXA DXR dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] P5 HI OC FRED, You touch the main point (and mni others on QAP too). Just to remaind all DX'ers here: YT1AD-Hrane YU7AV-Vojo been in P5 at the time when P5/4L4FN was active. But, ED was not active at all, when this two verry good frends of mine been in his local, He just deseappear so that AD AV was not eable to see him or his permition licence even the antenna was down , (some R7 or R-7000) AD AV , HAVE a radio-amateur licence to operate from P5, but not the military permition to transmit from P5...so, as everybody know this DXPN finished as Touristic-one. Any way, its verry dificult to think about the things like P5/4L4FN vs P5A 7O1YGF vs 7O/OH2YY. which unfortenetely happend Stay Tuned on SIX !!! 73,GLDX!!! de: MOME - Z32ZM http://www.qsl.net/z32zm -- From: Fred Souto Maior [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] KH8ZM Date: Saturday, March 05, 2005 21:35 PM No Tom.
RE: [DX-CHAT] [DX CHAT} KP1/KP5
Last thing I heard, there was going to be some sort of legal challenge to the FWS who always refuse permission to go to the islands, citing some sort of eco-twaddle about damage to habitat etc. I heard that the challenge was going to be based on the facts that (a) FWS staff regularly hike all over the islands without apparent damage and (b) that there are hundreds of illegal squatters from Haiti (or somewhere nearby) and the FWS don't even bother to evict them any more. Hence I guess the legal challenge would focus on the hypocrisy of the FWS (I thought that hypocrisy, ignorance, incompetence and high handed attitude were typical of US Govt departments, just as they are in the UK?). I'd heard that an FWS official had been publicly very disparaging about ham radio saying it was worthless pastime etc. Now after the heroic efforts of the folks on VU4 after the tsunami this person can be rooted out and publicly exposed as the utter cretin that he/she is...and the value of the hobby can be shown. However, I'm 3000 miles away across a big salty puddle, and someone on your side of the pond may know more! :-) Regards Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WC7N Sent: 05 February 2005 19:09 To: DX-CHAT Subject: [DX-CHAT] [DX CHAT} KP1/KP5 Is anything happening in the US Congress in reference to Navassa and Desecheo Islands ? Rod WC7N Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
I would agree. LOTW is a complete pain the the backside and involves jumping through a phethora of hurdles. All this for a hobby? What a waste of effort. Frankly if I wish to do a DXCC update, it's easier (and more pleasure) to meet a field checker such as G4BWP for a beer or two in a nice English pub, to look through the QSL cards and to discuss life, the universe and everything (possibly including DX) than to mess about with a sodding computer. LOTW? I'm sure it's well engineered, secure and works. You're welcome to it. I can't be bothered with it, but as far as I can see, the ARRL listened to its members and delivered what they asked for. I'm not being FORCED to use LOTW so have no complaints. 73 Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 January 2005 17:16 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW I don't know about anyone else but my reaction to LOTW is that it is just overly complicated! I have done many financial transactions on line. None of them was even nearly as complicated and difficult as LOTW. For now I'm not sure I want to be bothered. I've had a very low percentage of hits on the logs I've submitted to date. It seems to me that this system will not succeed unless they find ways to make it easier for users. 73, Steve W2KN -Original Message- From: Ron Notarius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 21, 2005 10:01 PM To: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW Has anyone asked ARRL about it? Ted, since you've got a connection with CQ, do you know if anyone from CQ has asked? Have you? I'm not trying to be a pain in the tuchus. But it seems relevant to inquire if anyone asked before wondering if ARRL has made it available. Or... has no one asked because everyone is waiting for an it's available announcement, and yet no announcement has been made yet because the folks up in Newington are waiting for someone to ask? Either way... remember, Logbook is just over a year old, and ARRL is still working on it. One wonders if we're rushing things here. Logbook will be with us a long, long time... seems to me that it's prudent to take our time and make sure it gets done right, including access by other organizations. Even if that means waiting awhile. 73 - Original Message - From: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-news dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] [:dx-news:] LOTW Robert Dixon wrote: Does anybody know what other organizations accept LOTW, like CQ awards, etc. BTW, kudos to our Old European friends for the unveiling of the new Airbus. Wonder with all that gingerbread if they could squeeze a hamshack in! Bob, W8HGH Robert Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ham radio: The real internet since May, 1895 I think the question should be: has ARRL made LOTW available to other organizations for awards purposes? I don't think so at this time, though this may change. Ted Melinosky K1BV USA-CA Custodian (the County Award) for CQ Magazine -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
