[DXR] A DXer's view
> Hard talk is what many of us feel like doing now. > But talk is not worth much relative to fixing the problem. I will say, and honestly believe that > nothing can stop this country from taking care of > the business ahead. As far as I can see and hear, NO ONE is willing to sit back and wait until it > happens again, here or abroad. We will take care of > the cowards, and let there be no reservations that all Americans will sacrifice if necessary. A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable people in the government, who can review your foreign policy and come up with some much needed changes.The lack of understanding the world outside USA and to some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let me just make an example: It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the lack of support to the Palestinians struggle for freedom and selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab world while at the same time the oppressers are receiving several billion in "aid" every year . You may not believe it, but in many places around in the world, some of us have had to stress that we are not Americans in order to be treated politely ! With respect and sorrow 73 Rag LA5HE __ Do You Yahoo!? Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] ARLP038 Propagation de K7VVV
SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP038 ARLP038 Propagation de K7VVV ZCZC AP38 QST de W1AW Propagation Forecast Bulletin 38 ARLP038 >From Tad Cook, K7VVV Seattle, WA September 14, 2001 To all radio amateurs SB PROP ARL ARLP038 ARLP038 Propagation de K7VVV Average daily sunspot numbers were up over 86 points this week over last, and average solar flux rose 39 points. The daily sunspot number peaked on Sunday at 291, the highest value since April 1. Solar flux peaked on Tuesday at 249.7, also the highest since April 1. Solar flux is expected to level off over the next few days, to 235 on Friday, 225 on Saturday and Sunday, and around 215 on Monday. A large complex of sunspots has just crossed the sun's central meridian. Holographic images of the sun's far side show another large sunspot, probably region 9591 which produced a large solar flare at the end of August when it was on the sun's earth side. There have been several coronal mass ejections since September 11, but they were not earth-directed. Geomagnetic conditions have been quiet this week, but on Thursday we are experiencing a rise in activity. On Friday the predicted planetary A index is 20, and conditions are expected to be unsettled after that. K9LA recently wrote a better version of the explanation of the terms and numbers that runs in this bulletin from time to time. He has generously offered to share it, and it runs below. You can contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] with questions. The Sun emits electromagnetic radiation and matter as a consequence of the nuclear fusion process. Electromagnetic radiation at wavelengths of 100-1000 Angstroms (ultraviolet) ionizes the F region, radiation at 10-100 Angstroms (soft X-rays) ionizes the E region, and radiation at 1-10 Angstroms (hard X-rays) ionizes the D region. Solar matter (which includes charged particles - electrons and protons) is ejected from the sun on a regular basis, and this comprises the solar wind. On a ''quiet'' solar day the speed of this solar wind heading toward Earth averages about 400 km per second. The Sun's solar wind significantly impacts the Earth's magnetic field. Instead of being a simple bar magnet, the Earth's magnetic field is compressed by the solar wind on the side facing the sun and is stretched out on the side away from the sun (the magnetotail, which extends tens of Earth radii downwind). While the Sun's electromagnetic radiation can impact the entire ionosphere that is in daylight, charged particles ejected by the Sun are guided into the ionosphere along magnetic field lines and thus can only impact high latitudes where the magnetic field lines go into the Earth. The Earth's magnetic field plays an important part in propagation. When electromagnetic radiation from the Sun strips an electron off a neutral constituent in the atmosphere, the resulting electron can spiral along a magnetic field line. Thus the ionosphere is critically dependent on the state of the Earth's magnetic field. Variations in the Earth's magnetic field are measured by magnetometers. There are two measurements readily available - the daily A index and the 3-hour K index. The A index uses a linear scale and goes from 0 (quiet) to 400 (severe storm). The K index uses a quasi-logarithmic scale (which essentially is a compressed version of the A index) and goes from 0 to 9 (with 0 being quiet and 9 being severe storm). Generally an A index at or below 15 or a K index at or below 3 is best for propagation. Sunspots are areas on the Sun associated with ultraviolet radiation. Thus they are tied to ionization of the F region. The daily sunspot number, when plotted over a month time frame, is very spiky. Averaging the daily sunspot numbers over a month results in the monthly average sunspot number, but it also is rather spiky when plotted. Thus a more averaged, or smoothed, measurement is needed to measure solar cycles. This is the smoothed sunspot number (SSN). SSN is calculated using five and a half months of data before and after the desired month, plus the data for the desired month. Because of this amount of smoothing, the official SSN is about a half year behind the current month. Sunspots come and go in an approximate 11-year cycle. The rise to peak (4 to 5 years) is usually faster than the descent to minimum (6 to 7 years). At and near the peak of a solar cycle, the increased number of sunspots causes more ultraviolet radiation to impinge on the ionosphere. This results in significantly more F region ionization, and allows the ionosphere to refract higher frequencies (15 meters, 12 meters, 10 meters, and even 6 meters) back to Earth for DX contacts. At and near the minimum between solar cycles, the number of sunspots is so low that higher frequencies go through the ionosphere into space. Commensurate with solar minimum, though, is less absorption and a more stable ionosphere, resulting in the best propagation on the lower frequencies (160 meters and 80 meters). Thus high SSNs are best for high frequency propa
[DXR] GOD BLESS AMERICA
I am not a very religious person , but I want to the local church today in a small village of Dunboyne just outside Dublin, I couldn't even get close to the door of the church because the large number of people out to pay there respects. Just thinking of all you guys... GOD BLESS AMERICA Tony EI2GX Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
I must ask that Steve and Urb not banish me for making this reply. I have held off as long as I can stand it, so if I must be banned so be it. Rag, I am offended at this message that you have posted. It is not the fault of the United States that we have been attacked. You cannot make excuses for these cowards who have done this. You should be ashamed, and should immediately apologize to all on these lists. We do not have an ignorant President. Setting all partisian politics aside, members of both of our American parties have fully praised our President for the way he was been handling this crisis. Once more, America is not the party to "blame" for this tradegy. The cowards and fanatics and those who give them safe refuge and spread hatred thoughout the world are the ones to blame, and the ones who will feel the heat of America in the days to come. For now, you should feel the heat for posting this insensible message on our radio lists. God Bless America== 73 and hopefully we can get back to DX, I just don't feel like it today. Jim K4PYT =?iso-8859-1?q?ragnar=20otterstad?= wrote: > > > Hard talk is what many of us feel like doing now. > > But talk is not worth much relative to fixing the > problem. I will say, and honestly believe that > > nothing can stop this country from taking care of > > the business ahead. As far as I can see and hear, NO > ONE is willing to sit back and wait until it > > happens again, here or abroad. We will take care of > > the cowards, and let there be no reservations that > all Americans will sacrifice if necessary. > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > people in the government, who can review your foreign > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > world while at the same time the oppressers are > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > With respect and sorrow > 73 Rag LA5HE > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
I agree with Jim! I think the people that run this reflector should immediately unsubscribe Rag, LA5HE. I do not feel he is worthy being associated with proud Americans and the rest of the free world.. Shame on you Rag - Please don't ever call me on the air when I am transmitting home or abroad. I am ashame of you! Bill W4WX James Nipper wrote: > I must ask that Steve and Urb not banish me for making this reply. I > have held off as long as I can stand it, so if I must be banned so be > it. > > Rag, I am offended at this message that you have posted. It is not the > fault of the United States that we have been attacked. You cannot make > excuses for these cowards who have done this. You should be ashamed, > and should immediately apologize to all on these lists. > > We do not have an ignorant President. Setting all partisian politics > aside, members of both of our American parties have fully praised our > President for the way he was been handling this crisis. > > Once more, America is not the party to "blame" for this tradegy. The > cowards and fanatics and those who give them safe refuge and spread > hatred thoughout the world are the ones to blame, and the ones who will > feel the heat of America in the days to come. > > For now, you should feel the heat for posting this insensible message on > our radio lists. > > God Bless America== > > 73 and hopefully we can get back to DX, I just don't feel like it > today. > > Jim K4PYT > > =?iso-8859-1?q?ragnar=20otterstad?= wrote: > > > > > > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > > people in the government, who can review your foreign > > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > > world while at the same time the oppressers are > > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > > > With respect and sorrow > > 73 Rag LA5HE > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
Hey Rag, (Great name for a guy like you) You impotent little windsock, If it were not for us your sorry ass would be speaking german or russian now. Scumbag PAW WB2LBQ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
You may not believe it, but in many places around in the world, some of us have had to stress that we are not Americans in order to be treated politely ! With respect and sorrow 73 Rag LA5HE Not very long ago, I became a Naturalized American. I may not have been born in the US, but, with the recent events, I am never more proud to be an American. This week, we all became New Yorkers. 73 Chen, AA6TY
PD: [DXR] A DXer's view
Everything what happened in New York and Washington is still like a nightmare for us here. It has been so awful that I still can't believe it . We are watching TV all the time and although I'm very keen on our Radio I have even no spirits to turn it on. In Poland at 1900 local time /in 20 minutes/ we will fire candles in windows of our houses in a memory of all victims and that we are with you Friends in US in this moment. 73 GL Rys SP5EWY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] ASHAME
I have read a comment by a la station here and it really has upset me. To think that anyone would think the taking of human lives is OK for any reason is beyond me. These people who died will never see a sunset again, will never feel the wind in their faces, see their child or grandchild open a Christmas present, never see their families grow and become adults. Their spouses will live the rest of their lives knowing the love they have lost. The brave public servants who rush into the hell of the WTC when everyone was coming out many if not all knowing they would not come out alive are men and women of the highest moral levels these are people who gave their lives yes the ultimate price not to kill but to try to save lives. It is with a heavy heart that I realize that human beings (if you call them that) could do this to so many people who just were trying to make a living for their families. These people did not set US policy they were like you and me trying to make a living for their families and at the end of the day see the sunset and feel the wind in their face and kiss a spouse and hug a child or a grandchild. I fear that what happened Tuesday will change me forever and I am sure most people in the world feel the same. THERE IS NOT A REASON IN THE WORLD TO JUSTIFY TAKES SO MANY HUMAN LIVES FOR ANY CAUSE. ROY BONVILLIAN JR WD5DBV
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
> Rag, I find your comments to be extremely offensive at this time of great sorrow here in New York. You should be ashamed! Bill K2TQC > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > people in the government, who can review your foreign > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > world while at the same time the oppressers are > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > With respect and sorrow > 73 Rag LA5HE > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] shut down DX R
Due to the rising level of non-ham-like comments here, I recommend that you shut down the DX Reflector for a set time period in the same spirit that all the ball games were cancelled. No one needs more conduits for more hate. DE K4VUD Charles Harpole _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] A71CW
Hi, I'd like to have an old QSO with Chris, A71CW, confirmed. Anyone KNOW his present postal (or email) address? God bless our bereaved friends in W land! 73, Hans, LA9HF Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
I find myself revolted by the posting of Ragnar Otterstad, as no doubt many others who have read it. I have never before submitted a posting, but this posting of Rag,s has infuriated me to the point where I cannot remain silent. I am only hope for the punishment to the those responsible for the events in Washington and New York is swift and deadly...Bruce Barber KL7D ragnar otterstad wrote: > > > Hard talk is what many of us feel like doing now. > > But talk is not worth much relative to fixing the > problem. I will say, and honestly believe that > > nothing can stop this country from taking care of > > the business ahead. As far as I can see and hear, NO > ONE is willing to sit back and wait until it > > happens again, here or abroad. We will take care of > > the cowards, and let there be no reservations that > all Americans will sacrifice if necessary. > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > people in the government, who can review your foreign > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > world while at the same time the oppressers are > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > With respect and sorrow > 73 Rag LA5HE > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] FW viewpoint
Ragnar writes: " It does not take a rocketscientist to understand that the lack of support tothe Palestinians struggle for freedom andselfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arabworld while at the same time the oppressers arereceiving several billion in "aid" every year ." Do you honestly believe that this terrible tragedy will advance the support for Palestinians? Shame on you.your own country has also been the recipient of aid from the USA in many ways. Your comments are in any event inappropriate for a DX reflector. Norm K1AA
Odp: [DXR] A71CW
> Hi, > > I'd like to have an old QSO with Chris, A71CW, confirmed. Anyone KNOW > his present postal (or email) address? > > God bless our bereaved friends in W land! > > 73, Hans, LA9HF Hans, Chris /SP5EXA/ is now active as A45XR , QSL via A45XRKrzysztof Dabrowski, POB 2038, Oman 111 73 Rys SP5EWY Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] Shame on you LA5HE
To: ragnar otterstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [DXR] A DXer's view THIS PUT ME OVER THE EDGE MAY I SUBMIT THE ENCLOSED ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A CANADIAN TV COMMENTATOR AND SUGGEST TO THE MODERATOR THIS THREAD CEASE AND AT ONCE. HAM RADIO IS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE FROM POLITICS AND RELIGION. THIS AREA TAKES US INTO BOTH AREAS. A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. WRONG !! ! HOW DARE YOU!! THINK OF THE SACRFICE OF OVER 15,000 MEN WHO DIED ON THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY TO FREE EUROPE THESE WERE FIGHTING MEN NOT INNOCENTS With an ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable people in the government, who can review your foreign policy and come up with some much needed changes.The lack of understanding the world outside USA and to some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let me just make an example: It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the lack of support to the Palestinians struggle for freedom and selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab world while at the same time the oppressers are receiving several billion in "aid" every year . You may not believe it, but in many places around in the world, some of us have had to stress that we are not Americans in order to be treated politely ! 1 With respect and sorrow 73 Rag LA5HE * This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those." Stand proud, America!
Re: [DXR] Shame on you LA5HE
PLEASE! Let's stop this. Ragnar's remarks are made (obviously) from ignorance. I doubt that he has ever performed any in depth study on what might have contributed to this enormous tragedy: Ignorance of the goals of militant Islam which have little to do with U.S. foreign policy or any other nation's policy. He has swallowed the propaganda "hook, line and sinker". Let's get back to the apolitical "business" of DXing. We need to nurture the friendship that this hobby builds; not build on the hatreds generated by ignorance! Dave, W5WP Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
You claim you are sober but no one believes you! You are drunk with the bitterness of your abnormal behavior and the megalonomy of an insignificant person. Shame on you! You call yourself a DXer... you are so very wrong! You are a despicable individual and should be treated like one. GET OUT OF HERE! Leo, CT1CSN - Original Message - From: "ragnar otterstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lynn Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "DXR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "W6UB Larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "W4UWC George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "W4TO Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "W4PV Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "W4PCA Carroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "W4FOA Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Scott W4PA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "N4VV Doyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "N4MIK Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "N4EFD Ed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "N4AA Carl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "KR4BQ Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K8EJ Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K7OM Ted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K4MQG Gary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K4JI Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K4GN Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K4EH Oscar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "K3ZR Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "AJ4L John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "AA4WX Charlie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 02:37 PM Subject: [DXR] A DXer's view > > > Hard talk is what many of us feel like doing now. > > But talk is not worth much relative to fixing the > problem. I will say, and honestly believe that > > nothing can stop this country from taking care of > > the business ahead. As far as I can see and hear, NO > ONE is willing to sit back and wait until it > > happens again, here or abroad. We will take care of > > the cowards, and let there be no reservations that > all Americans will sacrifice if necessary. > > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > people in the government, who can review your foreign > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > world while at the same time the oppressers are > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > With respect and sorrow > 73 Rag LA5HE > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
Over the past few years, I have enjoyed the DX reflector. When I first subscribed, it was being run by Lyndon, VE7TCP, and I thought he did a very good job, especially where the flaming was concerned. Obviously, he did not think that he could cope, and for a few months, I and other members of that reflector, were forced [although that is too strong a word] to subscribe to one of many DX Reflectors that sprang up to try to fill the void that Lyndon left. To say that havoc reigned is an understatement. Eventually, the NJDXA stepped up and tried its hand, with Steve and Urb at the helm. Their policy of DX ONLY, and NO FLAMES, was what drew me and kept me as a faithful subscriber. I don't agree with *all* of their policies, but you can't have it all. I am especially in favor of their policy to unsubscribe anyone who flames or incites flaming, or who habitually posts non-DX items. Imagine my surprise when an extremely controversial, non-DX item is posted, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! The finger pointing has gone on all day, and apparently the culprit is going to go unpunished. Steve and Urb, I am disapponted. 73 Phil Irons/VE1BVD Sydney, Nova Scotia -- "Grey hair is a crown of glory--it is gained in a righteous life." Proverbs 16:31 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] Shame on you LA5HE
The American spirit can not be damaged by such acts of terror. Long live the U.S.A.! 73 de N3NTJ On Fri, 14 September 2001, Jack wrote: > > > To: ragnar otterstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [DXR] A DXer's view > THIS PUT ME OVER THE EDGE > MAY I SUBMIT THE ENCLOSED ARTICLE WRITTEN BY A CANADIAN TV COMMENTATOR > AND SUGGEST TO THE MODERATOR THIS THREAD CEASE AND AT ONCE. HAM > RADIO IS SUPPOSED TO BE FREE FROM POLITICS AND RELIGION. THIS AREA > TAKES US INTO BOTH AREAS. > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done wrong in order to > create enough hatred so some people > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. WRONG > !! ! HOW DARE YOU!! THINK OF THE SACRFICE OF OVER 15,000 MEN WHO > DIED ON THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY TO FREE EUROPE THESE WERE FIGHTING > MEN NOT INNOCENTS > With an ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > people in the government, who can review your foreign > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The lack of > understanding the world outside USA and to > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some serious mistakes. Not > knowing who committed the > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let me just make an > example: It does not take a rocket > scientist to understand that the lack of support to the Palestinians > struggle for freedom and > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab world while at the > same time the oppressers are > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > You may not believe it, but in many places around in the world, some of > us have had to stress that we are > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! 1 > With respect and sorrow > 73 Rag LA5HE > * > This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. > > America: The Good Neighbor. > Widespread but only partial news coverage was given size=2>recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from size=2> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television size=2>commentator. What follows is the full text of his size=2>trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: > > "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the size=2>Americans as the most generous and possibly the least size=2> appreciated people on all the earth. > > Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were >lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in >billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of >these countries is today paying even the interest on its >remaining debts to the United States. > > When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the >Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted >and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw >it. > > When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States >that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities >were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. > > The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of >dollars! into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those >countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering >Americans. > > I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating >over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own >airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane >to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the >Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all >the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? > > > Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or >woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you >get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get >automobiles. > > You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the >moon -! not once, but several times - and safely home >again. > > You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in >the store window for everybody to look at. Even their >draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our >streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian >laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to >spend here. > > When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking >down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the >Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody >loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. > > I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help >of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when >someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think >there was outside help even during the San Francisco >earthquake. > > Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is >damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come >out of this thing with the
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
I disagree passionately with Rag, and I sent him a private message outlining my disagreement in considerable detail. However, Billy, he is entitled to his opinion, without retribution. Have you forgotten what makes America the great nation it is? I'll give you a clue---it is not censorship. Please stay focussed on who the enemy is. Garry, NI6T "Billy R. Gallier" wrote: > I agree with Jim! > I think the people that run this reflector should immediately unsubscribe Rag, > LA5HE. I do not feel he is worthy being associated with proud Americans and > the rest of the free world.. > Shame on you Rag - Please don't ever call me on the air when I am transmitting > home or abroad. I am ashame of you! > Bill W4WX > > James Nipper wrote: > > > I must ask that Steve and Urb not banish me for making this reply. I > > have held off as long as I can stand it, so if I must be banned so be > > it. > > > > Rag, I am offended at this message that you have posted. It is not the > > fault of the United States that we have been attacked. You cannot make > > excuses for these cowards who have done this. You should be ashamed, > > and should immediately apologize to all on these lists. > > > > We do not have an ignorant President. Setting all partisian politics > > aside, members of both of our American parties have fully praised our > > President for the way he was been handling this crisis. > > > > Once more, America is not the party to "blame" for this tradegy. The > > cowards and fanatics and those who give them safe refuge and spread > > hatred thoughout the world are the ones to blame, and the ones who will > > feel the heat of America in the days to come. > > > > For now, you should feel the heat for posting this insensible message on > > our radio lists. > > > > God Bless America== > > > > 73 and hopefully we can get back to DX, I just don't feel like it > > today. > > > > Jim K4PYT > > > > =?iso-8859-1?q?ragnar=20otterstad?= wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > > > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > > > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > > > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > > > people in the government, who can review your foreign > > > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > > > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > > > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > > > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > > > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > > > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > > > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > > > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > > > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > > > world while at the same time the oppressers are > > > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > > > > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > > > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > > > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > > > > > With respect and sorrow > > > 73 Rag LA5HE > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > > > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > > > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- 160 meters-not a band but an obsession Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
Why didn't you send this last message private. Because you want everyone to see what you sent. You wanted all to think only you understand censorship, people's right to speak out, etc. Why is it when someone responds to another persons statement is always his/hers "free speech" or "his/her opinion" but at the same time you are getting on someone that just stated his opinion, like my opinion of Rag? Don't I have the freedom of speech? Too many bad people hiding behind "freedom of speech". It appears that there is an excuse for everything bad in this world. You can always think of some reason for this insanity! I just had to speak out against Rag's remarks. All proud American's should. We need to speak out more often. Now I just exercised my freedom of speech. Right? I would like to see the likes of Rag disappear! Bill USN-Retired Garry Shapiro wrote: > I disagree passionately with Rag, and I sent him a private message outlining my > disagreement in considerable detail. > > However, Billy, he is entitled to his opinion, without retribution. Have you > forgotten what makes America the great nation it is? I'll give you a clue---it is > not censorship. Please stay focussed on who the enemy is. > > Garry, NI6T > > "Billy R. Gallier" wrote: > > > I agree with Jim! > > I think the people that run this reflector should immediately unsubscribe Rag, > > LA5HE. I do not feel he is worthy being associated with proud Americans and > > the rest of the free world.. > > Shame on you Rag - Please don't ever call me on the air when I am transmitting > > home or abroad. I am ashame of you! > > Bill W4WX > > > > James Nipper wrote: > > > > > I must ask that Steve and Urb not banish me for making this reply. I > > > have held off as long as I can stand it, so if I must be banned so be > > > it. > > > > > > Rag, I am offended at this message that you have posted. It is not the > > > fault of the United States that we have been attacked. You cannot make > > > excuses for these cowards who have done this. You should be ashamed, > > > and should immediately apologize to all on these lists. > > > > > > We do not have an ignorant President. Setting all partisian politics > > > aside, members of both of our American parties have fully praised our > > > President for the way he was been handling this crisis. > > > > > > Once more, America is not the party to "blame" for this tradegy. The > > > cowards and fanatics and those who give them safe refuge and spread > > > hatred thoughout the world are the ones to blame, and the ones who will > > > feel the heat of America in the days to come. > > > > > > For now, you should feel the heat for posting this insensible message on > > > our radio lists. > > > > > > God Bless America== > > > > > > 73 and hopefully we can get back to DX, I just don't feel like it > > > today. > > > > > > Jim K4PYT > > > > > > =?iso-8859-1?q?ragnar=20otterstad?= wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done > > > > wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people > > > > are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an > > > > ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable > > > > people in the government, who can review your foreign > > > > policy and come up with some much needed changes.The > > > > lack of understanding the world outside USA and to > > > > some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some > > > > serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the > > > > horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let > > > > me just make an example: It does not take a rocket > > > > scientist to understand that the lack of support to > > > > the Palestinians struggle for freedom and > > > > selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab > > > > world while at the same time the oppressers are > > > > receiving several billion in "aid" every year . > > > > > > > > You may not believe it, but in many places around in > > > > the world, some of us have had to stress that we are > > > > not Americans in order to be treated politely ! > > > > > > > > With respect and sorrow > > > > 73 Rag LA5HE > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > > > > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > > > > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > > > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > > >
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
Steve and Urb have lives other than ham radio and this reflector. They can't be expected to be on top of everything that goes on here. Give them time. They'll deal with it. Brian KF2HC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
> >Imagine my surprise when an extremely controversial, non-DX item is >posted, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! The finger pointing has gone on all day, >and apparently the culprit is going to go unpunished. > >Phil Irons/VE1BVD >Sydney, Nova Scotia No. Let it go on. Let the world see, hear, and learn what some Satan-worshippers have done to America. And let we, and the world, never forget, never forgive. -- Fred Stevens K2FRD LtCol, USAR SigC, Retd I am an American fighting man. I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense... I will never forget that I am an American fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America. -Code of Conduct for Members of the Armed Forces of the United States; pocket card carried in wallet of K2FRD since 1968. Ck Fred's K2FRD personal Webpage: http://sites.netscape.net/thefred3/k2frd . Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
Let me re-echo KF2TI's request that this discussion be moved to DX CHAT. That's why it was created, gang... And those of you who disagree with the original poster's POV -- remember, watch the language on the reflectors. This is kinda like MLB, the NFL & the NHL -- the ref or ump often misses the original transgression but catches and punishes the reaction, no matter how justified. 73, Ron WN3VAW DX Chat Moderator
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
I have already asked that Rag be unsubscribed. If you think he should, let it be known. Bill Phil Irons wrote: > Over the past few years, I have enjoyed the DX reflector. When I first > subscribed, it was being run by Lyndon, VE7TCP, and I thought he did a > very good job, especially where the flaming was concerned. Obviously, > he did not think that he could cope, and for a few months, I and other > members of that reflector, were forced [although that is too strong a > word] to subscribe to one of many DX Reflectors that sprang up to try to > fill the void that Lyndon left. > > To say that havoc reigned is an understatement. Eventually, the NJDXA > stepped up and tried its hand, with Steve and Urb at the helm. Their > policy of DX ONLY, and NO FLAMES, was what drew me and kept me as a > faithful subscriber. I don't agree with *all* of their policies, but > you can't have it all. I am especially in favor of their policy to > unsubscribe anyone who flames or incites flaming, or who habitually > posts non-DX items. > > Imagine my surprise when an extremely controversial, non-DX item is > posted, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! The finger pointing has gone on all day, > and apparently the culprit is going to go unpunished. > > Steve and Urb, I am disapponted. > > 73 > > Phil Irons/VE1BVD > Sydney, Nova Scotia > -- > "Grey hair is a crown of glory--it is gained in a righteous life." > > Proverbs 16:31 > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] shut down DX R
I couldn't agree more. In fact, I'll start the process by un-subbing. 73, Ian, K5ZM - Original Message - From: Charles Harpole To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2001-Sep-14 17:29 Subject: [DXR] shut down DX R Due to the rising level of non-ham-like comments here, I recommend that you shut down the DX Reflector for a set time period in the same spirit that all the ball games were cancelled. No one needs more conduits for more hate. DE K4VUD Charles Harpole _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] A DXer's view
Bravo Zulu: K6VX > Why didn't you send this last message private. Because you want everyone to see what > you sent. You wanted all to think only you understand censorship, people's right to > speak out, etc. > Why is it when someone responds to another persons statement is always his/hers "free > speech" or "his/her opinion" but at the same time you are getting on someone that > just stated his opinion, like my opinion of Rag? Don't I have the freedom of speech? > Too many bad people hiding behind "freedom of speech". > It appears that there is an excuse for everything bad in this world. You can always > think of some reason for this insanity! > I just had to speak out against Rag's remarks. All proud American's should. We need > to speak out more often. > Now I just exercised my freedom of speech. Right? > I would like to see the likes of Rag disappear! > Bill > USN-Retired > > I disagree passionately with Rag, and I sent him a private message outlining my > > disagreement in considerable detail. > > > > However, Billy, he is entitled to his opinion, without retribution. Have you > > forgotten what makes America the great nation it is? I'll give you a clue---it is > > not censorship. Please stay focussed on who the enemy is. > > > > Garry, NI6T Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
Maybe the moderator has his radio switched on and his computer switched off. There's DX out there, old chap. Go work it. Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Phil Irons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA > Over the past few years, I have enjoyed the DX reflector. When I first > subscribed, it was being run by Lyndon, VE7TCP, and I thought he did a > very good job, especially where the flaming was concerned. Obviously, > he did not think that he could cope, and for a few months, I and other > members of that reflector, were forced [although that is too strong a > word] to subscribe to one of many DX Reflectors that sprang up to try to > fill the void that Lyndon left. > > To say that havoc reigned is an understatement. Eventually, the NJDXA > stepped up and tried its hand, with Steve and Urb at the helm. Their > policy of DX ONLY, and NO FLAMES, was what drew me and kept me as a > faithful subscriber. I don't agree with *all* of their policies, but > you can't have it all. I am especially in favor of their policy to > unsubscribe anyone who flames or incites flaming, or who habitually > posts non-DX items. > > Imagine my surprise when an extremely controversial, non-DX item is > posted, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! The finger pointing has gone on all day, > and apparently the culprit is going to go unpunished. > > Steve and Urb, I am disapponted. > > 73 > > Phil Irons/VE1BVD > Sydney, Nova Scotia > -- > "Grey hair is a crown of glory--it is gained in a righteous life." > > Proverbs 16:31 > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] 425 DX News #541
15 September 2001 No 541
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9M6VET) from East Malaysia on 10-14 October. They plan to be active
on 6-80 metres SSB and CW. QSL via home call. [TNX JA1ELY]
9N - Hiro, JA0BYS/9N7BY will operate from Katmandu, Nepal between 24
September and 2 October. From 24 to 29 September he will be joined
by Sato, JH0HDL/9N7DL and Mako, JI0LQJ/9N7QJ. The group will be
active on 80-10 metres, including the WARC bands and 6 metres (if
permitted). All QSLs via JH0HDL (Satoshi Nawai, 220-1 Nakahama,
Itoigawa, 941-0002 Japan). [JA1ELY]
A2 - Mako, JA1OEM (10-160 metres SSB and slow CW) and Toshi, JA1ELY
(10-80 metres SSB, CW and RTTY) will operate, possibly as A25/JA1OEM
and A25/JA1ELY, from Botswana on 21 September-17 October and 21-28
September respectively. QSL via home calls (JA1OEM: Shinichi
Toyofuku, P.O. Box 9, Sswara, 287-8691 Japan; JA1ELY: Toshikazu
Kusano, P.O. Box 8, Kamata, Tokyo, 144-8691 Japan). [TNX JA1ELY]
A5 - The Bhutan Amateur Radio Club (BARC) will be inaugurated on 26
October under the presidency of the Director of the Bhutan
Telecommunicantions Agency. Yasuo Miyazawa (JH1AJT) and Glenn
Johnson (W0GJ) are Honorary/Founding Members, and have been issued
special lifetime callsigns of A51A and A51B respectively. The
primary purpose of the club is to foster amateur radio interest in
the young Bhutanese and also to enable the club members to be active
on the air. To celebrate the formation of the BARC, A50A will be
active as a multi-multi entry in the CQ WW DX SSB Contest (27-28
October). A team of U.S. operators will be helping the licensed
Bhutanese amateurs (namely Yeshey Dorji/A51AA, Kesang Namgyel/A51KC,
Parop Kinley/A51PK, Pema Rinzen/A51PR, Dorji Yeshey/A51YL and Wangpo
Dorji/A51WD) learn to operate in a contest environment from the
Bhutan Ham Centre. Before and after the contest the U.S. hams will
concentrate on the low bands, WARC bands and new modes. Look for the
following to be active from 23 October to 1 November:
Dave Anderson, KW4DA as A52DA
Chuck Brady, N4BQWas A52CB
Pat Cahill, N0ADQ as A52PC
Glenn Johnson, W0GJ as A51B
Stewart Lewis, W0SHL as A52SL
Ken Nollet, K0EN as A52ED
Steve Towle, W0HT as A52ST
QSL A50A direct only to Bhutan Amateur Radio Club (BARC), P.O. Box
88, Thimphu, Bhutan. See http://www.qsl.net/a51aa for information on
visiting Bhutan. [TNX QRZ-DX]
C9 - Babs/DL7AFS, Lot/DJ7ZG, Karl/DL2FAG and Simone/IV3NVN (DL8GCS) will
operate as C98DC from Inhaca Island (AF-066), Mozambique between 28
September and 13 October. They will be active on 10-160 metres (WARC
bands included) SSB, CW, RTTY and PSK31 with two or possibly three
stations. When the band is open, they will operate on 6 metres as
well.Thewebpagefor theoperationis at
http://www.qsl.net/dl7afs/index.html [TNX DJ7ZG]
D4 - Loreto, IK7VJP has postponed his activity from Sao Tiago (AF-005),
Cape Verde [425DXN 540] to take place on 5-12 October. [TNX IZ8CCW]
D4 - Marconi Contest Club operators Fabio/I4UFH, Stefano/IK2JUB,
Luca/IK2NCJ,Matt/IK2SGC,Gabriele/IK4UPB, Alberto/IV3TAN,
Antonio/CT1DVV and Tony/CT1ESV will participate in the CQ WW DX SSB
Contest (27-28 October) as D44TC (Multi/Singl
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
Please do not unsubscribe Rag! That would simply make his case for him... PAW WB2LBQ - Original Message - From: "Billy R. Gallier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Phil Irons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA > I have already asked that Rag be unsubscribed. If you think he should, let > it be known. > Bill > > Phil Irons wrote: > > > Over the past few years, I have enjoyed the DX reflector. When I first > > subscribed, it was being run by Lyndon, VE7TCP, and I thought he did a > > very good job, especially where the flaming was concerned. Obviously, > > he did not think that he could cope, and for a few months, I and other > > members of that reflector, were forced [although that is too strong a > > word] to subscribe to one of many DX Reflectors that sprang up to try to > > fill the void that Lyndon left. > > > > To say that havoc reigned is an understatement. Eventually, the NJDXA > > stepped up and tried its hand, with Steve and Urb at the helm. Their > > policy of DX ONLY, and NO FLAMES, was what drew me and kept me as a > > faithful subscriber. I don't agree with *all* of their policies, but > > you can't have it all. I am especially in favor of their policy to > > unsubscribe anyone who flames or incites flaming, or who habitually > > posts non-DX items. > > > > Imagine my surprise when an extremely controversial, non-DX item is > > posted, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! The finger pointing has gone on all day, > > and apparently the culprit is going to go unpunished. > > > > Steve and Urb, I am disapponted. > > > > 73 > > > > Phil Irons/VE1BVD > > Sydney, Nova Scotia > > -- > > "Grey hair is a crown of glory--it is gained in a righteous life." > > > > Proverbs 16:31 > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] censorship
All this talk about freedom misses the point. This is a privately owned and operated reflector, and we are guests here. Basically, when we check in, we leave the first amendment at the door and operate by the rules of the NJDXA. This, like the editor of a newspaper, is not censorship! Rights?? Try saying something obscene over the telephone and explain it away as a first amendment right. Nobody is saying he cannot speak his mind, he just cannot say it here if the owner objects. Tom N4TJ ex RM2 USN CL Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
I'm going to go out on a limb here. Lets start with things I'm sure we all agree with.. The post upset me, appalled me, angered me. The comment about Bush was personal and inappropriate. BUT -- let's remember some things. The people on this list come from many, many countries -- not all of which think the USA is a wonderful country. Rags or whatever his name is, tried to point out that people in other countries may see the US in an entirely different way, and may have reasonable reasons for feeling the way they do. Even if we disagree with him (which I most certainly do), he has a right to say what he feels. If you take the time to re-read what he wrote and take away his rudeness..there are some points he makes that are worth thinking about. Lastly, why kick him off the list just because he has a different point of view? Are we so afraid of his thoughts that we must banish him? Did anything he said change who we are as Americans?? Threaten our self esteem ?? One of the things that makes this country what it is -- is the ability to tolerate different points of view. To allow diversity of thought. Let's practice what we preach. While I disagree strongly on many of his points, some were valid. I will chastise him severely for the way his message was delivered..but I feel I must defend his right to say what he felt. This list DOES NOT have a membership requirement that says "I shall love the US and never say a word against it". Now lets forget Rags...and move on. Lets continue to share our hobby, and for many of us.get on with re-building the losses we've suffered this past week. 73 from Bob Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cincinnati, Ohio Friday 09/14/2001 7:18:42 PM ** DXCC 10M ** WAC 10M ** WAS 10M There is a very fine line between "HOBBY" and "MENTAL ILLNESS" ** When trouble arises and things look really bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often this person is crazy! **
[DXR] DOK Award Info Help Wanted
Does anyone know if there is a DARC award manager in the USA ??? I would like to apply for DLD award. Thanks for the bandwith.. 73/DX Ron -- Ron Loneker Sr. KA2BZS NJDXA - #1DXCC - 160m DXCC ARLHS Member #388 http://www.njdxa.org JUST WORK IT! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DXR] A DXer's view
When you assert that terrorism can be justifiable - "...analyse what USA has done wrong in order to create enough hatred..." - you are directly encouraging those who choose this barbaric and cowardly path. While much of the world is saying "We are Americans", you seem to be saying "I am a terrorist". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:37 AM To: Lynn Lamb; DXR Cc: W6UB Larry; W4UWC George; W4TO Don; W4PV Patrick; W4PCA Carroll; W4FOA Tony; Scott W4PA; N4VV Doyle; N4MIK Mike; N4EFD Ed; N4AA Carl; KR4BQ Rob; K8EJ Steve; K7OM Ted; K4MQG Gary; K4JI Bob; K4GN Don; K4EH Oscar; K3ZR Pete; AJ4L John; AA4WX Charlie Subject: [DXR] A DXer's view > Hard talk is what many of us feel like doing now. > But talk is not worth much relative to fixing the problem. I will say, and honestly believe that > nothing can stop this country from taking care of > the business ahead. As far as I can see and hear, NO ONE is willing to sit back and wait until it > happens again, here or abroad. We will take care of > the cowards, and let there be no reservations that all Americans will sacrifice if necessary. A sober approach would be to analyse what USA has done wrong in order to create enough hatred so some people are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. With an ignorant president you need some wise and knowledgable people in the government, who can review your foreign policy and come up with some much needed changes.The lack of understanding the world outside USA and to some extent Western-Europe has led USA to make some serious mistakes. Not knowing who committed the horrible terror attack, for the sake of argument let me just make an example: It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the lack of support to the Palestinians struggle for freedom and selfdetermination is not winning friends in the Arab world while at the same time the oppressers are receiving several billion in "aid" every year . You may not believe it, but in many places around in the world, some of us have had to stress that we are not Americans in order to be treated politely ! With respect and sorrow 73 Rag LA5HE __ Do You Yahoo!? Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] LA5HE
Rag I can't believe the letter you wrote to this DX reflector. In the space of 3 days you can make such remarks about our misgivings when we ALL are in so much pain and sorrow for our fellow Americans who have perished in this nightmare. Maybe Charlie K4VUD is right...shut it down,its bad enough watching the replays on the tv every 5 minutes of an airliner slamming into the WTC, but to get away from it and spend a few minutes on the internet only to come upon your very insensitive letter might have been a lot worse. Joe Arcure W3HNK
[DXR] Let the bickering stop.
Let the bickering stop, immediately. This is the dx-reflector and postings are restricted to DX items. This is an extraordinary and unprecedented time. Emotions are controlling the thought process of otherwise rational people. Emotions do need to be expressed, especially at a time like this. However, this is not the forum. Although it's not DX move the WTC topic to the DX-CHAT list if you choose to continue the discussion. One thing about this tragedy is certain. The WTC was a communications hub. All of the NY TV stations, save one, were located there. There were only three cities in the US having more telephone exchanges than the two towers. As a consequence there is not doubt hams will be disproportionately represented in the final total. In respect to those SK please refrain from personal attracts on other hams if this discussion does move to the DX-CHAT list. As of now there will be no further postings concerting the tragedy on the DX-NEWS list. Urb, W2DEC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] Comments From Norway
Hi All, As the saying goes, when there is a crisis you can remain silent and have the world think you a fool or, you can open your mouth and remove all doubt. I think our friend from Norway has removed all doubt. GOD BLESS AMERICA! 73, Harry A. Hodges, US Army (Ret) Veteran WW II, Korea, Vietnam (2 Tours) and wishing I could re-up for this one. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] Rag's mental disease
We should all feel sorry for Rag. He is an old man who may have untreated tertiary syphilis, which causes dementia. Why? Because Scandinavians are sexual deviants. I'm sure anybody who has been to Copenhagen has seen the porn magazines (I remember seeing one called Teenage F..k) openly displayed and sold in kiosks in public squares. Isn't free speech wonderful? Barry P.S. Rag, from one CW op to another. Dididahdit dididah! -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newtown, PA Frankford Radio Club Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] 9-11-2001 :Was a DXers View
I apologize for going off topic, but believe that many amateur radio operators worldwide have value systems rooted in the Judaian/Christian ethic. In the USA we believe to the roots of our deepest held value system that the Right to Free Speech shall be honored, subject to the one constraint of not endangering the common good. There is a line from an old movie that I choose to paraphrase: 'I disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to my death your right to say it.' On the HF and VHF bands US amateurs will engage in discussions that other cultures deem to be off limits in an exercize of the right. Pope John Paul II, the Roman Catholic Leader of the world and a spokesman for many deeply held Christian values, has written: "...In the name of God: Respect, Protect, Love and Serve Life...",[Evangelium Vitae [Gospel of Life], Paragraph 5]. On 9-11-2001 people who do not honor either Life or Free Speech conducted a pre-meditated attack against me/us and my/our value system. That attack should not lead me/us to abandon our value system(s). Some have written blaming the USA for the attack, effectively accusing us of national suicide. Some have responded vigorously defending the USA. Some have responded condemning either or both of the above. We, the people of the USA, through the actions of our leaders, will respond based on principles of Law and Justice. Our response will be measured, proportional to the harm done, and hopefully fully respectful of innocent human life. It is in Respect for all Life, Protection of all innocent Life, Service of Life and Love of Life and life values, including free speech, that the USA is defined. My friends in the USA, let us grieve together, let us pray together, let us cry together, let us be angry together; but let us also be resolved to respect life, people and the diversity of values, customs, ideas and political opinions. My friends thoughout the world, we need your support and prayers. We respect the diversity of opinion even if we don't agree with it. We ask you to support the USA as we seek Truth, Justice and Mercy in the aftermath of recent events. Innocent life has been destroyed. In the midst of this trajedy we, the amateur radio operators of the USA, particularly those who work DX and post comments on the various DX reflectors, have an opportunity to truly witness to the world our value system. Rev. Mr. [Deacon] Dave Shrader, W1MCE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] DX-CHAT
I have had several people ask how to subscribe to DX -CHAT and also asked if you have to post. The answer to the later is absolutely not. You can lurk to your hearts content. To subscribe go to: http://njdxa.org/dx-chat/ There is a form on the page you can use to subscribe or unsubscribe. Urb, W2DEC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] DX-CHAT
A word of warning regarding DX-CHAT: If you receive an e mail from someone and hit the reply button, thinking your reply will go directly to the sender, please pay attention to the return e mail address because I discovered it was going to the dx-chat reflector instead of the individual. I have finally learned that whatever I say on internet can be used against me by someone forwarding the written word to somebody else. So what goes around, comes around. The safest thing to do is grit your teeth and maybe yell full blast at the computer monitor then drop it. I felt humbled this morning by something that happened over this city around 10am. I was sitting here gritting my teeth while looking at the computer screen when all of a sudden out of the blue came what I thought had to be a falling jet liner plane that was going to crash in my back yard. I ran outside as fast as I could only to discover that the local Lemoore Naval Air Station did a masive fly-by. This has not been done in 20+ years or so I thought. After I thought about it I felt humbled that the air station would show such support but I felt good after that. During bad times when the naval air station squadrons are leaving for the carriers, one plane might make a pass over this small farm town and put on full afterburner for one or two reasons: 1. To say goodbye to family and friends or 2. Remind all of us that they are going in harms way. Just be thankful we live in such a great country and can express ourselves without people with big guns knocking our door down in the middle of the nightoops, sorry Janet Reno, I really didn't mean it really. Ron, K6UR Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
Billy R. Gallier wrote: > > I have already asked that Rag be unsubscribed. If you think he should, let > it be known. > Bill While I disagree with Rag's statements, I would no more suggest that he be unsubscribed than I would suggest that you be unsubsribed. Dave K8MN Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] LA5HE
Hi Joe, and all.. This guy is "AKA" as a "TROLL", forget him, as such, he has NO PLACE here! This is no different than any other user news group, except our focus is much different due to our hobby, and, as such is world wide. We all need to move on, and deal with this, in our own ways, thank God most of the world feels like us here in the USA, please don't let one TROLL spoil things, really this is all he is. Thanks for reading my opinion, God be with us all, world over... Mike Parisey W5GMLSealy, TX! Powered by Windows ME and IE Version 6 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [DXR] LA5HE Rag I can't believe the letter you wrote to this .
Re: [DXR] Letter to NJDXA - N8NGA's comments
It's nice to see a voice of reason amongst the tirade of personal abuse - Tnx N8NGA. I agree with all that you said. Just to let you all know - where I work we have English, Welsh, Scots, Germans, Irish, Swedes, Indians, Greeks, Australians, Americans, South Africans, Pakistanis, Omanis and one guy from Cameroon. We have Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Sihks, Jews, Bhuddhists and who knows what else. At 11am yesterday we ALL stood with heads bowed in three minutes' silence to honour the European day of mourning. To those in the USA - we're thinking of you. Regards Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Bob Otto N8NGA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA I'm going to go out on a limb here. Lets start with things I'm sure we all agree with.. The post upset me, appalled me, angered me. The comment about Bush was personal and inappropriate. BUT -- let's remember some things. The people on this list come from many, many countries -- not all of which think the USA is a wonderful country. Rags or whatever his name is, tried to point out that people in other countries may see the US in an entirely different way, and may have reasonable reasons for feeling the way they do. Even if we disagree with him (which I most certainly do), he has a right to say what he feels. If you take the time to re-read what he wrote and take away his rudeness..there are some points he makes that are worth thinking about. Lastly, why kick him off the list just because he has a different point of view? Are we so afraid of his thoughts that we must banish him? Did anything he said change who we are as Americans?? Threaten our self esteem ?? One of the things that makes this country what it is -- is the ability to tolerate different points of view. To allow diversity of thought. Let's practice what we preach. While I disagree strongly on many of his points, some were valid. I will chastise him severely for the way his message was delivered..but I feel I must defend his right to say what he felt. This list DOES NOT have a membership requirement that says "I shall love the US and never say a word against it". Now lets forget Rags...and move on. Lets continue to share our hobby, and for many of us.get on with re-building the losses we've suffered this past week. 73 from Bob Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cincinnati, Ohio Friday 09/14/2001 7:18:42 PM ** DXCC 10M ** WAC 10M ** WAS 10M There is a very fine line between "HOBBY" and "MENTAL ILLNESS" ** When trouble arises and things look really bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often this person is crazy! **
Re: [DXR] Rag's mental disease
Gee, great. Now all Scandinavians got their butt kicked. Does this statement make Scandinavians like Americans more? Barry, I´m offended by this message, do you care? 73, Jim SM2EKM -- Barry wrote: > We should all feel sorry for Rag. He is an old man who may have > untreated tertiary syphilis, which causes dementia. Why? Because > Scandinavians are sexual deviants. I'm sure anybody who has been > to Copenhagen has seen the porn magazines (I remember seeing > one called Teenage F..k) openly displayed and sold in kiosks in > public squares. > > Isn't free speech wonderful? > > Barry > > P.S. Rag, from one CW op to another. Dididahdit dididah! > -- > Barry Kutner, W2UP Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Newtown, PA Frankford Radio Club > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] An Open Letter to NJDXA
On 14 Sep 2001 at 16:51, Phil Irons wrote: > Over the past few years, I have enjoyed the DX reflector. When I > first subscribed, it was being run by Lyndon, VE7TCP, and I thought he > did a very good job, especially where the flaming was concerned. > Obviously, he did not think that he could cope, and for a few months, > I and other members of that reflector, were forced [although that is > too strong a word] to subscribe to one of many DX Reflectors that > sprang up to try to fill the void that Lyndon left. > > To say that havoc reigned is an understatement. Eventually, the NJDXA > stepped up and tried its hand, with Steve and Urb at the helm. Their > policy of DX ONLY, and NO FLAMES, was what drew me and kept me as a > faithful subscriber. I don't agree with *all* of their policies, but > you can't have it all. I am especially in favor of their policy to > unsubscribe anyone who flames or incites flaming, or who habitually > posts non-DX items. > > Imagine my surprise when an extremely controversial, non-DX item is > posted, and NOTHING HAPPENS!!! The finger pointing has gone on all > day, and apparently the culprit is going to go unpunished. > > Steve and Urb, I am disapponted. > > 73 > > Phil Irons/VE1BVD > Sydney, Nova Scotia Normally I won't reply direct but this is an exception and that's exactly what I take here. I can't stop people from being inconsiderate. I can't stop people from failing to realize or follow the rules. After Rag published his rag, it was dealt with, just as soon as I read the post.. Beacuse a few here repeatedly have to vent their spleens in defiance of what we'd all like, is unavoidable. I suggest, Phil, that maybe you should take this job. Neither Urb nor I live on this reflector. We both work and when I get to download in excess of 1000 emails (including all the bounced stuff) and find that you are part of the problem and not part of the solution, then perhaps it's time to part company. I am not here to make enemies, but I be damned if I'm going to be letcured by someone who has no clue as to how this operates..plain ans simple. We came up with DX-CHAT for just this reason, yet people, and you are incl;uded, feel that they need to ignore that we went out of our way to provide a forum for discussion. The means to unsubscribe will be posted at the end of this message If it's so painful for you to realize that this p[ast few days have overwhelmed everybody and everything, so be it..unsubscribe Rag is gone..permanently. He set the bait and the fish were reeled in. It happens. We ask that people don;t reply but seems that many just can't control themselves. Many are no longer here as they are gone either by choice..theirs or yours. I've said my peace, no replies or comments need to be forthcoming. No one keeping anyone here. Everyone is free to come and go as they see fit. Decsion is all yours 73, Steve - KF2TI CLASS OF '76 UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN NORTH DAKOTA AT HOOPLE Economy 101 states: A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, A depression is when you lose yours Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
