Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
It is fine with how it is for me. Been with since the beginning.. I'm getting to old and forgetful for a big change. As long as its functional. 73 John W9RPM On 11/20/2023 12:39 PM, Luciano de la Rosa wrote: Hi. I have used the DX4Win version for many years, I think that since the late 80s or early 90s. I have considered that it is a very stable program, and as some users have indicated here, to upload an Adif file to LOTW only a couple of clicks are needed and it only takes a couple of minutes. We must also thank Jim, for the maintenance of the databases and the complementary programs he has developed so that everything was easier. But I also have to say against him, that when there was a review of version 8, the windows changed position every time the program opened. Here they told me a solution to always remain in the same place, but it did not work for me, and every time the program starts I have to manually place the windows in their position. I think Paul must correct that problem, before moving on to version 9, since many users continue working with version 8. For the rest it seems to me that it is a great program that meets very well and I do not think you are willing to start a new learning curve with another program. This is my humble opinion as a user. Greetings to all. 73 de EA8AM El lun, 20 nov 2023 a las 17:50, John Pritt () escribió: I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. John (N1JP) On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore wrote: David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this diverse hobby. But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this one with good reason. I like it just as it is. As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. K4TK Tim On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS wrote: To all DX4WIN users: We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get involved. Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and not provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue is can we find users who have the technical background to support the product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you prefer to retire? All of th
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Dear DX4WIN users and reflector subscribers! I sincerely apologize to you for the repeated duplication of my post. Unfortunately, each of my attempts was unsuccessful, and in response I received only the message as follows . Your mail to 'DX4WIN' with the subject Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 59923 bytes with a limit of 40 KB In fact, the size of my message was much smaller. Apparently there was a software error, after correcting which the administrator did not delete my subsequent unsuccessful attempts to send the post - and as a result you received all the messages at once :-( ! Anyhow, m any thanks to the administrators for helping to fix this problem Once again, my excuses to the group for this incovenience . But my main goal was to convey to you my opinion about our favorite DX4WIN logging Software , to the further fate of which we all cannot remain indifferent Best 73's ! Dima, UA3AGW 28 year young DX4WIN-program user :-) > Hi group ! I was a big fan of DX4WIN for many, many years until I tried using it to prepare a custom award submission. Unfortunately, I found so many problems there that it would take several pages to describe them. Unfortunately, none of my questions to the support desk or to the group were answered, with the exception of Jim, AD1C, but we have not completed solving only one of these issues . The absence of a continent in the main menu is very inconvenient for calculating statistics. Among other problems, it is very annoying not to be able to count the number of unique call signs, both in general and by using a sorting criteria . It is also impossible to get an ADIF export from an alphabetically sorted log in the same sequence - this only works for CSV. To implement the above functions, I have to import the ADIF log into other programs, even a freeware ones, but which successfully cope with the tasks set. I’ll be ready to continue using this nice product and pay for upgrades if I see a real support instead of just adding of FT8 etc QSO modes and some minor changes in V.9 for $30 ! Best 73's! Dima, UA3AGW -- Dmitry Zaslavsky Отправлено из Почты Mail.ru __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Hi group ! I was a big fan of DX4WIN for many, many years until I tried using it to prepare a custom award submission. Unfortunately, I found so many problems there that it would take several pages to describe them. Unfortunately, none of my questions to the support desk or to the group were answered, with the exception of Jim, AD1C, but we have not completed solving only one of these issues. The absence of a continent in the main menu is very inconvenient for calculating statistics. 73’s! Dima, UA3AGW >Понедельник, 20 ноября 2023, 21:40 +03:00 от Luciano de la Rosa >: > >Hi. > >I have used the DX4Win version for many years, I think that since the late >80s or early 90s. > >I have considered that it is a very stable program, and as some users have >indicated here, to upload an Adif file to LOTW only a couple of clicks are >needed and it only takes a couple of minutes. > >We must also thank Jim, for the maintenance of the databases and the >complementary programs he has developed so that everything was easier. > >But I also have to say against him, that when there was a review of version >8, the windows changed position every time the program opened. > >Here they told me a solution to always remain in the same place, but it did >not work for me, and every time the program starts I have to manually place >the windows in their position. > >I think Paul must correct that problem, before moving on to version 9, >since many users continue working with version 8. > >For the rest it seems to me that it is a great program that meets very well >and I do not think you are willing to start a new learning curve with >another program. > >This is my humble opinion as a user. > >Greetings to all. > >73 de EA8AM > >El lun, 20 nov 2023 a las 17:50, John Pritt () >escribió: > >> I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my >> logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is >> awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. >> >> John (N1JP) >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore < redval...@gmail.com > wrote: >> > >> > David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the >> > product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent >> as >> > they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the >> product >> > as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of >> > course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this >> > diverse hobby. >> > >> > But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as >> > things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions >> > really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as >> > they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. >> > Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their >> > liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. >> > >> > I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this >> > one >> > with good reason. I like it just as it is. >> > >> > As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years >> > working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it >> takes >> > to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the >> > effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and >> > requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day >> > my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and >> > Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards >> > (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. >> > >> > K4TK >> > Tim >> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS < n...@vci.net > wrote: >> >> >> >> To all DX4WIN users: >> >> >> >> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be >> >> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been >> >> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. >> >> >> >> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little >> >> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his >> >> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider >> buying >> >> him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We >> >> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get >> >> involved. >> >> >> >> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future >> plans >> >> entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and >> >> not >> >> provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk >> among >> >> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to >> support >> >> your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost >> interest? >> >> >> >> Bottom line, what would it tak
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Hi group ! I was a big fan of DX4WIN for many, many years until I tried using it to prepare a custom award submission. Unfortunately, I found so many problems there that it would take several pages to describe them. Unfortunately, none of my questions to the support desk or to the group were answered, with the exception of Jim, AD1C, but we have not completed solving only one of these issues . The absence of a continent in the main menu is very inconvenient for calculating statistics. Among other problems, it is very annoying not to be able to count the number of unique call signs, both in general and by using a sorting criteria . It is also impossible to get an ADIF export from an alphabetically sorted log in the same sequence - this only works for CSV. To implement the above functions, I have to import the ADIF log into other programs, even a freeware ones, but which successfully cope with the tasks set. I’ll be ready to continue using this nice product and pay for upgrades if I see a real support instead of just adding of FT8 etc QSO modes and some minor changes in V.9 for $30 ! Best 73's! Dima, UA3AGW >Понедельник, 20 ноября 2023, 21:40 +03:00 от Luciano de la Rosa >: > >Hi. > >I have used the DX4Win version for many years, I think that since the late >80s or early 90s. > >I have considered that it is a very stable program, and as some users have >indicated here, to upload an Adif file to LOTW only a couple of clicks are >needed and it only takes a couple of minutes. > >We must also thank Jim, for the maintenance of the databases and the >complementary programs he has developed so that everything was easier. > >But I also have to say against him, that when there was a review of version >8, the windows changed position every time the program opened. > >Here they told me a solution to always remain in the same place, but it did >not work for me, and every time the program starts I have to manually place >the windows in their position. > >I think Paul must correct that problem, before moving on to version 9, >since many users continue working with version 8. > >For the rest it seems to me that it is a great program that meets very well >and I do not think you are willing to start a new learning curve with >another program. > >This is my humble opinion as a user. > >Greetings to all. > >73 de EA8AM > >El lun, 20 nov 2023 a las 17:50, John Pritt () >escribió: > >> I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my >> logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is >> awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. >> >> John (N1JP) >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore < redval...@gmail.com > wrote: >> > >> > David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the >> > product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent >> as >> > they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the >> product >> > as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of >> > course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this >> > diverse hobby. >> > >> > But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as >> > things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions >> > really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as >> > they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. >> > Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their >> > liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. >> > >> > I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this >> > one >> > with good reason. I like it just as it is. >> > >> > As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years >> > working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it >> takes >> > to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the >> > effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and >> > requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day >> > my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and >> > Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards >> > (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. >> > >> > K4TK >> > Tim >> > >> >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS < n...@vci.net > wrote: >> >> >> >> To all DX4WIN users: >> >> >> >> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be >> >> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been >> >> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. >> >> >> >> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little >> >> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his >> >> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider >> buying >> >> him o
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Hi group ! I was a big fan of DX4WIN for many, many years until I tried using it to prepare a custom award submission. Unfortunately, I found so many problems there that it would take several pages to describe them. Unfortunately, none of my questions to the support desk or to the group were answered, with the exception of Jim, AD1C, but we have not completed solving only one of these issues . The absence of a continent in the main menu is very inconvenient for calculating statistics. Among other problems, it is very annoying not to be able to count the number of unique call signs, both in general and by using a sorting criteria . It is also impossible to get an ADIF export from an alphabetically sorted log in the same sequence - this only works for CSV. To implement the above functions, I have to import the ADIF log into other programs, even a freeware ones, but which successfully cope with the tasks set. I’ll be ready to continue using this nice product and pay for upgrades if I see a real support instead of just adding of FT8 etc QSO modes and some minor changes in V.10 for $30 ! Best 73's! Dima, UA3AGW >Понедельник, 20 ноября 2023, 20:50 +03:00 от John Pritt >: > >I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my >logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is >awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. > >John (N1JP) > > > > >> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore < redval...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the >> product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as >> they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product >> as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of >> course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this >> diverse hobby. >> >> But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as >> things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions >> really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as >> they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. >> Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their >> liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. >> >> I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this >> one >> with good reason. I like it just as it is. >> >> As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years >> working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes >> to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the >> effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and >> requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day >> my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and >> Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards >> (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. >> >> K4TK >> Tim >> >>> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS < n...@vci.net > wrote: >>> >>> To all DX4WIN users: >>> >>> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be >>> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been >>> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. >>> >>> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little >>> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his >>> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying >>> him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We >>> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get >>> involved. >>> >>> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans >>> entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and >>> not >>> provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among >>> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support >>> your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? >>> >>> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a >>> user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit >>> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. >>> >>> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a >>> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be >>> fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue >>> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the >>> product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software >>> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you >>> want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you >>>
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
As for satellite logging, I gave up on DX4Win, because of the lack of satellite names updates. I use N3FJP ACLog to keep a separate log of satellite contacts. It is a lot less headache for me. Easy to configure the entry screen to show satellite info. Easy tracking dupes. Easy to keep track of the right 'sat name' yourself and set prop mode 'sat' as LOTW needs. DX4Win still does everything that I need for chasing DX on HF. Ernie On 11/21/2023 5:25 AM, Ricardo Navarrete wrote: In my case I'm not asking for an improvement, I don't care, I'm asking for a database update, satellites database is implemented into DX4WIN code. It doesn't read the information from any file or website that is the problem.. I don't know anything about programing code and I don't know how difficult is to implement it but for me and for many others working satellites it is very important to know which callsigns were worked on what satellite. Thanks El mar, 21 nov 2023, 11:21, Christian Janssen DL1MGB escribió: Hi all, DX4WIN is also (almost) perfect for my needs. Sure, would love to have this or that little neat feature, but these are also not available from other logging programms. And one thing I like very much with DX4WIN that developers don't feel the need to implement EVERY feature EVERY user wants to have. So it remains a compact software with no glitches or running errors or data losses. And the UI stays the same I have adopted over the years. There is nothing worse when each second version comes in a complete new UI and you have to rearrange it as you are used to. Many thanks for the good work so far! 73s Chris DL1MGB Am 20.11.2023 um 18:04 schrieb David Perry, N4QS: To all DX4WIN users: We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get involved. Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and not provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue is can we find users who have the technical background to support the product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you prefer to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You have a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure you would like to see it continue well into the future. I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the general ham radio community. Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is right for you to discuss future options. I would also invite any other members of the user community to express their interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the founding user group members. All if favor, say aye! I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who would want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward. We would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website. Help with new user installations. Help with ongoing product development, etc. If Paul can provide us with a price, we can th
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
In my case I'm not asking for an improvement, I don't care, I'm asking for a database update, satellites database is implemented into DX4WIN code. It doesn't read the information from any file or website that is the problem.. I don't know anything about programing code and I don't know how difficult is to implement it but for me and for many others working satellites it is very important to know which callsigns were worked on what satellite. Thanks El mar, 21 nov 2023, 11:21, Christian Janssen DL1MGB escribió: > Hi all, > > DX4WIN is also (almost) perfect for my needs. Sure, would love to have > this or that little neat feature, but these are also not available from > other logging programms. > > And one thing I like very much with DX4WIN that developers don't feel the > need to implement EVERY feature EVERY user wants to have. So it remains a > compact software with no glitches or running errors or data losses. And the > UI stays the same I have adopted over the years. There is nothing worse > when each second version comes in a complete new UI and you have to > rearrange it as you are used to. > > Many thanks for the good work so far! > > 73s Chris DL1MGB > > > > Am 20.11.2023 um 18:04 schrieb David Perry, N4QS: > > To all DX4WIN users: > > > > We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be > > available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been > > asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. > > > > This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little > > commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his > > interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider > buying > > him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We > > could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get > involved. > > > > Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future > plans > > entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and > not > > provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among > > ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to > support > > your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost > interest? > > > > Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to > lead a > > user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any > profit > > motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. > > > > In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a > > 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would > be > > fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest > issue > > is can we find users who have the technical background to support the > > product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software > > you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would > you > > want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you > prefer > > to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. > > > > Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? > Can > > you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure > we > > can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You > have > > a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure > > you would like to see it continue well into the future. > > > > I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years > have > > owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have > > the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see > > DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the > > general ham radio community. > > > > Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is > right > > for you to discuss future options. > > > > I would also invite any other members of the user community to express > their > > interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a > > legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the > > founding user group members. All if favor, say aye! > > > > I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who > would > > want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of > > distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward. We > > would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website. Help with new > > user installations. Help with ongoing product development, etc. > > > > If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way > to > > raise the funds to buy him out. We could ask for donations. We could > also > > continue to charge modest amounts for new installations and updates -- > but > > only until the initial buyout amount has
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Developers ? Which developers ?... DX4Win USED to be perfect, but the so-called developers are just ignoring people who paid for the program... Not nice... 73 Paul F6EXV Le 21/11/2023 à 11:20, Christian Janssen DL1MGB a écrit : Hi all, DX4WIN is also (almost) perfect for my needs. Sure, would love to have this or that little neat feature, but these are also not available from other logging programms. And one thing I like very much with DX4WIN that developers don't feel the need to implement EVERY feature EVERY user wants to have. So it remains a compact software with no glitches or running errors or data losses. And the UI stays the same I have adopted over the years. There is nothing worse when each second version comes in a complete new UI and you have to rearrange it as you are used to. Many thanks for the good work so far! 73s Chris DL1MGB Am 20.11.2023 um 18:04 schrieb David Perry, N4QS: To all DX4WIN users: We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get involved. Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and not provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue is can we find users who have the technical background to support the product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you prefer to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You have a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure you would like to see it continue well into the future. I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the general ham radio community. Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is right for you to discuss future options. I would also invite any other members of the user community to express their interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the founding user group members. All if favor, say aye! I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who would want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward. We would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website. Help with new user installations. Help with ongoing product development, etc. If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way to raise the funds to buy him out. We could ask for donations. We could also continue to charge modest amounts for new installations and updates -- but only until the initial buyout amount has been paid off. Thereafter, we might explore a donation based model just to raise enough money to pay for ongoing administrative expenses -- if any. Again, our user group could be creative and flexible as we work together to evolve the product overtime. I do not think this would be that big an effort to organize as long as Paul thinks the time is right. Ultimately, it all depends on what Paul wants to do. Paul, in the interest of your many devoted users, is this something that we can begin to discuss with you? 73, Dave, N4QS n...@vci.net Cell: 270.210.9912 -Original Messa
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Hi all, DX4WIN is also (almost) perfect for my needs. Sure, would love to have this or that little neat feature, but these are also not available from other logging programms. And one thing I like very much with DX4WIN that developers don't feel the need to implement EVERY feature EVERY user wants to have. So it remains a compact software with no glitches or running errors or data losses. And the UI stays the same I have adopted over the years. There is nothing worse when each second version comes in a complete new UI and you have to rearrange it as you are used to. Many thanks for the good work so far! 73s Chris DL1MGB Am 20.11.2023 um 18:04 schrieb David Perry, N4QS: > To all DX4WIN users: > > We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be > available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been > asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. > > This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little > commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his > interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying > him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We > could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get involved. > > Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans > entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and not > provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among > ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support > your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? > > Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a > user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit > motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. > > In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a > 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be > fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue > is can we find users who have the technical background to support the > product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software > you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you > want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you prefer > to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. > > Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can > you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we > can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You have > a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure > you would like to see it continue well into the future. > > I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have > owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have > the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see > DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the > general ham radio community. > > Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is right > for you to discuss future options. > > I would also invite any other members of the user community to express their > interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a > legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the > founding user group members. All if favor, say aye! > > I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who would > want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of > distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward. We > would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website. Help with new > user installations. Help with ongoing product development, etc. > > If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way to > raise the funds to buy him out. We could ask for donations. We could also > continue to charge modest amounts for new installations and updates -- but > only until the initial buyout amount has been paid off. Thereafter, we > might explore a donation based model just to raise enough money to pay for > ongoing administrative expenses -- if any. Again, our user group could be > creative and flexible as we work together to evolve the product overtime. I > do not think this would be that big an effort to organize as long as Paul > thinks the time is right. Ultimately, it all depends on what Paul wants to > do. > > Paul, in the interest of your many devoted users, is this something that we > can begin to discuss with you? > > 73, > > Dave, N4QS > > n...@vci.net > > Cell: 270.210.9912 > > -Original Message- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of sp...@pz
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
As a user of DX4WIN since the 90s I really like the software and do not intend to change to any other logging program. Even though some have some nice features I find DX4WIN does everything I need and more. My only request might be to make the upload to lotw more automatic than it is, but that’s it. Regards, Dennis, K0eoo Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2023, at 11:50 AM, John Pritt wrote: > > I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my > logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is > awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. > > John (N1JP) > > > > >> On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore wrote: >> >> David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the >> product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as >> they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product >> as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of >> course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this >> diverse hobby. >> >> But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as >> things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions >> really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as >> they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. >> Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their >> liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. >> >> I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this >> one >> with good reason. I like it just as it is. >> >> As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years >> working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes >> to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the >> effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and >> requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day >> my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and >> Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards >> (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. >> >> K4TK >> Tim >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS wrote: >>> >>> To all DX4WIN users: >>> >>> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be >>> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been >>> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. >>> >>> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little >>> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his >>> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying >>> him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We >>> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get >>> involved. >>> >>> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans >>> entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and >>> not >>> provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among >>> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support >>> your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? >>> >>> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a >>> user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit >>> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. >>> >>> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a >>> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be >>> fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue >>> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the >>> product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software >>> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you >>> want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you >>> prefer >>> to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. >>> >>> Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can >>> you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we >>> can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You >>> have >>> a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure >>> you would like to see it continue well into the future. >>> >>> I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have >>> owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have >>> the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see >>> DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Great comment Mike - DX4Win is great. But no new changes or enhancements for some time. If Paul has decided not to pursue any future updates, perhaps he would consider passing it to someone else who can continue his legacy. Just my 2 cents.. 73, John K9EL -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mike Cizek W0VTT Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 11:47 AM To: DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? I agree with Tim K4TK. DX4WIN is an old school DXer's logging program and it suits my needs very well. Manual LoTW import/export and WSJT-X import are only a few mouse clicks and take less than a minute. Having said that, it would be nice to know that Paul has a plan for the future when he wants to (or needs to) bow out. On a very different note - I would like to see a similar program for the Mac OS. (Note that I made my living using a piece of equipment designed over 500 years ago with one moving part, and I still drive a car with a manual transmission.) --- 73, Mike Cizek WØVTT -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Tim moore Sent: Monday, 20 November, 2023 11:27 To: David Perry, N4QS Cc: DX4WIN Reflector Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this diverse hobby. But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this one with good reason. I like it just as it is. As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. K4TK Tim __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Hi all I was a very happy user of DX4WIN until I started on satellites 4 years ago, the satellite database is not updated anymore and I had a good response of the developer was that DX4WIN is not profitable so it lost his interest maintaining it updated. I moved to another logging program to handle my 10 qsos and all my stats not a big as Guy's ones but not too bad for 28 years of ham radio. I don't understand why automate a program is a sin. Do you work FT8??? Yes the computer makes the QSO for you!!! Wow mind blowing! I love DX4WIN but now it doesn't cover my needings... Automate is not one of them but there are more. What a pity! 73 Rick El lun, 20 nov 2023, 20:28, ON4AOI via DX4WIN escribió: > Gents, > What are we? > Radio operators, technicians or just a bunch of let the computer do it all > for you? > > In my opinion the manual up/download is the only correct way to do it not > automatically. > Why is simple b4 I upload I check always for mistakes. Just check psk > reporter many spots are on wrong > Freq (band) because he lost cat or didn't change band, this also mean that > if it would be automatically uploaded > It will contain useless data for LoTW, qrz, eQSL etc etc. > > Tnx to Paul and DX4WIN I have now (in 42years) > 4003 bandslots from 160m-13cm+Sat > 13 band DXCC > 16 band WAC > 14 band WAS 160-23cm (probably the 1st non USA) > 9 band WAZ > > Integration of wsjt-x or clone(s) would only slow down the speed of light > we have now > With a few 100K qso's .. > > > > Guy ON4AOI > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Mike Cizek W0VTT > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 6:47 PM > To: DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? > > I agree with Tim K4TK. DX4WIN is an old school DXer's logging program and > it suits my needs very well. Manual LoTW import/export and WSJT-X import > are only a few mouse clicks and take less than a minute. > > Having said that, it would be nice to know that Paul has a plan for the > future when he wants to (or needs to) bow out. > > On a very different note - I would like to see a similar program for the > Mac OS. > > (Note that I made my living using a piece of equipment designed over 500 > years ago with one moving part, and I still drive a car with a manual > transmission.) > > > --- > 73, > Mike Cizek WØVTT > > -----Original Message----- > From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Tim moore > Sent: Monday, 20 November, 2023 11:27 > To: David Perry, N4QS > Cc: DX4WIN Reflector > Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? > > David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the > product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as > they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product > as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of > course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this > diverse hobby. > > But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as > things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions > really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as > they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. > Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their > liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. > > I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this > one with good reason. I like it just as it is. > > As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years > working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes > to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the > effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and > requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day > my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and > Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards > (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. > > K4TK > Tim > > > __ > DX4WIN mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ___
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Gents, What are we? Radio operators, technicians or just a bunch of let the computer do it all for you? In my opinion the manual up/download is the only correct way to do it not automatically. Why is simple b4 I upload I check always for mistakes. Just check psk reporter many spots are on wrong Freq (band) because he lost cat or didn't change band, this also mean that if it would be automatically uploaded It will contain useless data for LoTW, qrz, eQSL etc etc. Tnx to Paul and DX4WIN I have now (in 42years) 4003 bandslots from 160m-13cm+Sat 13 band DXCC 16 band WAC 14 band WAS 160-23cm (probably the 1st non USA) 9 band WAZ Integration of wsjt-x or clone(s) would only slow down the speed of light we have now With a few 100K qso's .. Guy ON4AOI -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mike Cizek W0VTT Sent: Monday, November 20, 2023 6:47 PM To: DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? I agree with Tim K4TK. DX4WIN is an old school DXer's logging program and it suits my needs very well. Manual LoTW import/export and WSJT-X import are only a few mouse clicks and take less than a minute. Having said that, it would be nice to know that Paul has a plan for the future when he wants to (or needs to) bow out. On a very different note - I would like to see a similar program for the Mac OS. (Note that I made my living using a piece of equipment designed over 500 years ago with one moving part, and I still drive a car with a manual transmission.) --- 73, Mike Cizek WØVTT -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Tim moore Sent: Monday, 20 November, 2023 11:27 To: David Perry, N4QS Cc: DX4WIN Reflector Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this diverse hobby. But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this one with good reason. I like it just as it is. As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. K4TK Tim __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
Hi. I have used the DX4Win version for many years, I think that since the late 80s or early 90s. I have considered that it is a very stable program, and as some users have indicated here, to upload an Adif file to LOTW only a couple of clicks are needed and it only takes a couple of minutes. We must also thank Jim, for the maintenance of the databases and the complementary programs he has developed so that everything was easier. But I also have to say against him, that when there was a review of version 8, the windows changed position every time the program opened. Here they told me a solution to always remain in the same place, but it did not work for me, and every time the program starts I have to manually place the windows in their position. I think Paul must correct that problem, before moving on to version 9, since many users continue working with version 8. For the rest it seems to me that it is a great program that meets very well and I do not think you are willing to start a new learning curve with another program. This is my humble opinion as a user. Greetings to all. 73 de EA8AM El lun, 20 nov 2023 a las 17:50, John Pritt () escribió: > I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my > logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is > awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. > > John (N1JP) > > > > > > On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore wrote: > > > > David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the > > product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent > as > > they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the > product > > as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of > > course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this > > diverse hobby. > > > > But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as > > things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions > > really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as > > they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. > > Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their > > liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. > > > > I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this > > one > > with good reason. I like it just as it is. > > > > As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years > > working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it > takes > > to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the > > effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and > > requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day > > my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and > > Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards > > (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. > > > > K4TK > > Tim > > > >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS wrote: > >> > >> To all DX4WIN users: > >> > >> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be > >> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been > >> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. > >> > >> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little > >> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his > >> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider > buying > >> him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We > >> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get > >> involved. > >> > >> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future > plans > >> entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and > >> not > >> provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk > among > >> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to > support > >> your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost > interest? > >> > >> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to > lead a > >> user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any > profit > >> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. > >> > >> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a > >> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would > be > >> fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest > issue > >> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the > >> product? I have no idea what programming languages and database > software > >> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would > you > >> want to continue to
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
I absolutely love DX4Win and have since the day it was released. For my logging needs it is totally functional. I also think that the support is awesome thanks to Paul, Jim, Guy and the rest of the users. John (N1JP) > On Nov 20, 2023, at 12:28, Tim moore wrote: > > David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the > product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as > they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product > as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of > course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this > diverse hobby. > > But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as > things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions > really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as > they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. > Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their > liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. > > I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this > one > with good reason. I like it just as it is. > > As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years > working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes > to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the > effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and > requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day > my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and > Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards > (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. > > K4TK > Tim > >> On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS wrote: >> >> To all DX4WIN users: >> >> We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be >> available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been >> asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. >> >> This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little >> commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his >> interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying >> him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We >> could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get >> involved. >> >> Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans >> entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and >> not >> provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among >> ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support >> your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? >> >> Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a >> user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit >> motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. >> >> In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a >> 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be >> fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue >> is can we find users who have the technical background to support the >> product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software >> you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you >> want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you >> prefer >> to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. >> >> Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can >> you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we >> can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You >> have >> a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure >> you would like to see it continue well into the future. >> >> I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have >> owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have >> the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see >> DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the >> general ham radio community. >> >> Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is >> right >> for you to discuss future options. >> >> I would also invite any other members of the user community to express >> their >> interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a >> legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the >> founding user group members. All if favor, say aye! >> >> I am sure that if we formed a user group, we
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
I agree with Tim K4TK. DX4WIN is an old school DXer's logging program and it suits my needs very well. Manual LoTW import/export and WSJT-X import are only a few mouse clicks and take less than a minute. Having said that, it would be nice to know that Paul has a plan for the future when he wants to (or needs to) bow out. On a very different note - I would like to see a similar program for the Mac OS. (Note that I made my living using a piece of equipment designed over 500 years ago with one moving part, and I still drive a car with a manual transmission.) --- 73, Mike Cizek WØVTT -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Tim moore Sent: Monday, 20 November, 2023 11:27 To: David Perry, N4QS Cc: DX4WIN Reflector Subject: Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN? David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this diverse hobby. But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this one with good reason. I like it just as it is. As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. K4TK Tim __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] What is the future of DX4WIN?
David Perry (N4QS) certainly doesn't speak for all of us. I like the product just as it is and I think the support and updates are excellent as they exist today. I fully understand some may find issues with the product as it is, but they don't speak for or represent all of us . And of course, you're never going to please all the folks all the time in this diverse hobby. But since you wanted folks to speak up.I am. I vote we continue as things are maintained today. Not that mine...or anyone else's opinions really carry any significant weight. The owners should of course do as they see fit to do. After all, it's their product to sell and maintain. Those who don't like the product can find another product more to their liking. Those of us pleased with the productcan continue using it. I could have/use any product on the market out thereand I chose this one with good reason. I like it just as it is. As an Engineer with 45+ years in the IT industry and quite a few years working in software development, I appreciate the time and effort it takes to develop and maintain a product. And I have been involved with the effort of trying to keep a myriad of customers with diverse desires and requirements satisfied. It's a daunting task. I'll save for another day my discussion on Problem Reports (PRs) and Deficiency Reports (DRs) and Known Problems and Workarounds (KP&Ws) and Configuration Control Boards (CCBs) and racking and stacking customer desires/complaints. K4TK Tim On Mon, Nov 20, 2023, 11:05 AM David Perry, N4QS wrote: > To all DX4WIN users: > > We really need Paul to do something. He promised the databases would be > available on the next update, but that was four years ago. I have been > asking for full integration with WSJT-X for years to no avail. > > This is a great program with a very active user base, but very little > commitment from Paul. I wonder if Paul would be willing to sell his > interest in the product to a group of users. We might all consider buying > him out and then forming our own development team and support group. We > could even make it open source to encourage more developers to get > involved. > > Paul, I think it is about time that you let us know what your future plans > entail. It is not fair to your loyal users to keep them in the dark and > not > provide any further development. We all scratch our heads and talk among > ourselves, but we just cannot figure out why you no longer want to support > your fine program. Are you bored? Have health problems? Lost interest? > > Bottom line, what would it take to buy you out? I would be happy to lead a > user group to see if we can do just that. I would not do it for any profit > motive, and my time and money would be provided for the benefit of all. > > In fact, if you were willing to talk I would suggest that we form a > 501(c)(3) to make it a non-profit venture. I personally think it would be > fun for the users to take ownership in the application. The biggest issue > is can we find users who have the technical background to support the > product? I have no idea what programming languages and database software > you use to power DX4WIN, but whatever you use is working great. Would you > want to continue to provide overall technical leadership or would you > prefer > to retire? All of these questions and issues would have to be discussed. > > Can you project your future revenue streams over the next three years? Can > you provide actual revenue over the past three years? If so, I am sure we > can monetize your financial interest in DX4WIN as it stands today. You > have > a great product that has stood the test of time over 25 years. I am sure > you would like to see it continue well into the future. > > I am a former partner with Deloitte & Touche and for the last 30 years have > owned and operated three family businesses. I am now retired, but I have > the background to help in such a transaction. My sole interest is to see > DX4WIN become more actively developed and supported for benefit of the > general ham radio community. > > Paul, please let me know via the reflector or privately if the time is > right > for you to discuss future options. > > I would also invite any other members of the user community to express > their > interest in joining me in forming a group to keep DX4WIN alive and as a > legacy to its founder. Jim, AD1C, would definitely have to be one of the > founding user group members. All if favor, say aye! > > I am sure that if we formed a user group, we would have many users who > would > want to volunteer their services to help with various aspects of > distribution, user support and development of DX4WIN going forward. We > would need volunteers to upgrade and support the website. Help with new > user installations. Help with ongoing product development, etc. > > If Paul can provide us with a price, we can then determine the best way to > raise the fu
