[e-gold-list] Re: Investment Opportunities in Belize
At the end of this note there was an interesting comment/question? What can be done? An ethics code, BBB, etc. would be nice, but the real problem is the participants. It seems to me that not only e-gold, but the entire internet, is prone to scams because everyone on the internet has an immediacy to everything. Every investment must have an immediate turn around, and always a proft. This is not just ignorance but stupidity, but a BBB made up of stupid peole will not protect the stupid people. I just get mildly frustrated at times because tools like this list could be so handy for helping people to get togehter, "network", exchange "useful" ideas, and maybe even do business together. But all it is a soapbox. I think the situation would get better if there was real familiarity, but that is impossible on the internet. On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 12:56:40 -0500, CCS wrote: You ask very good and important questions. Why does this list cater to such blatant fraud? I don't know that the list caters to fraud. But it certainly seems to attract gullible people and the people that prey on them. Is it the nature of people who invest in Gold and view the capital markets as overvalued? Is it just that the "Offshore" and "Gold Backed" world is prone to wackos??? ... And I am curious as to why e-gold seems to attract so many wackos and so few "serious" people. Superficially that does appear to be the case! But I think that is an overgeneralization. Most people don't go beyond the bounds of well worn common routine. Anyone looking into offshore activities or considering gold is deviating from the common routine of our society. The only people who will do this are either 1) those who don't have good sense or 2) those who think for themselves. Even in the later case this usually entails a certain amount of ignorance/misconception and (hopefully eventual) learning. So there are good reasons to expect a higher percentage of wackos and fumbling. Furthermore, the ambiguities of establishing and maintaining trust in confidential relationships and the opportunity for abuse in the e-gold system attracts crooks for obvious reasons. The question I would like to pose is: how can we devise means to solve these problems? A code of ethics? A BBB? Adoption of certain business practices... Best, CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: why?
Bob, Thanks. Can you pull a few of these out of my back for me?? Ha! Take care, Bob, Happy Holidays to you! Eric - Original Message - From: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] RE: why? Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange wrote: big snip "Of course, that is just my opinion, folks, I could be wrong! I want to know what you think America..."---Dennis Miller Just a few thoughts. Eric Well put Eric. "You can tell the pioneers. They're the ones with the arrows in their backs" - unknown Bob -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: why?
Thank you for this prompt explanation. It is not very clear to me though why Goldtoday would be taken off the list of market makers, since he seemed to be the scapegoat for e-gold and the banks? So e-gold is behaving just like the banks? What incentive do I have now to switch from the banking system to e-gold? --- markab23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can answer that for you. Michael Moore, who runs the gold-today site was hit my two crimminals who placed orders using counterfeit cheques not long ago. Those cheques (a couple of hundred dollars AUS) were sent direct to the gold-today banks and then subsequently passed to e-gold and to the crimminals accounts. when it was discovered that these cheques were fraudulent the banks retrieved the funds from e-gold and returned them to the issuing banks. (All the market makers are aware of this of course). As a consequence e-gold did not approve of this and decided to punish gold-today by removing them from the accredited list of market makers. This has not detered gold today who is still doing business despite having been hit both by the crimminals and e-gold. I am a client of gold-today and have always found Michael Moore to be honest and efficient in business. The thing I like most about doing business with Michael is that he always communicates, unlike omnipay and e-gold who I reckon ignores most communications as you might know if you have been following this discussion board. I think you will also find, if you ask around to the other market makers, that they will vouch for Michael Moore in the highest possible terms. I hope that answers your question. (Sorry Mike I just had to get in first!!) Chuck. = Original Message From Dagny Taggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dear Michel Moore? If you are a market maker, why is Goldtoday not posted on the e-gold site? = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Powered by http://www.telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Selling e-gold???
Can somebody tell me the quickest way to convert $120 of e-gold into cash. Is it possible to have money wired tomy bank account? Joel Brucewww.egold-casino.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] charities?
Are there any charity programs out there that take e-gold? = Good bye for now! Galina Ulanova __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: why?
Well I think he was just caught in the middle. Being a small business person he was easier to clobber by the 'big boys' than the criminals who are a bit harder to find. I am happy with his service anyway. he still looks after me very well. Chuck = Original Message From Dagny Taggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Thank you for this prompt explanation. It is not very clear to me though why Goldtoday would be taken off the list of market makers, since he seemed to be the scapegoat for e-gold and the banks? So e-gold is behaving just like the banks? What incentive do I have now to switch from the banking system to e-gold? --- markab23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can answer that for you. Michael Moore, who runs the gold-today site was hit my two crimminals who placed orders using counterfeit cheques not long ago. Those cheques (a couple of hundred dollars AUS) were sent direct to the gold-today banks and then subsequently passed to e-gold and to the crimminals accounts. when it was discovered that these cheques were fraudulent the banks retrieved the funds from e-gold and returned them to the issuing banks. (All the market makers are aware of this of course). As a consequence e-gold did not approve of this and decided to punish gold-today by removing them from the accredited list of market makers. This has not detered gold today who is still doing business despite having been hit both by the crimminals and e-gold. I am a client of gold-today and have always found Michael Moore to be honest and efficient in business. The thing I like most about doing business with Michael is that he always communicates, unlike omnipay and e-gold who I reckon ignores most communications as you might know if you have been following this discussion board. I think you will also find, if you ask around to the other market makers, that they will vouch for Michael Moore in the highest possible terms. I hope that answers your question. (Sorry Mike I just had to get in first!!) Chuck. = Original Message From Dagny Taggart [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dear Michel Moore? If you are a market maker, why is Goldtoday not posted on the e-gold site? = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Powered by http://www.telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - Powered by http://www.telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Money Froze!!!! Latest Update of EE-Ventures
Privacy, You are incorrect about E-Biz, They will continue to use E-Gold just in a reduced manner, As the company has grown by leaps and bounds (over 25,000 in two months) it has become painfully obvious that E-Gold can not handle the surge of growth, This is by no means totally the fault of E-Gold as any company would be hard pressed to keep up with such unexpected growth. The reason for going to a offshore bank has NOTHING to do with paying taxes, Only that this is a bank that will allow E-Biz to operate the way it needs too. The way you suggest doing things is painfully complicated to the average person and would do those of us in the USA no good at all tax wise being E-Biz issues 1099's to us and we need to report all our earnings for tax's, You see E-biz is a real company with real people and is not a scam as most of us have become accustom to seeing on the net, I have seen many on this list try to tear E-Biz down in the past few weeks, These are simply people that have no clue what they are talking about! E-Biz is a sound,solid legal company based in the US and in compliance with all government regulations, They have been in operation since 10/00 and as we all know if they were a scam they would be gone by now either by their own demise or by government closure. The truth lye's in the fact they are still here and working. A very satified E-Biz member --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Simple encryption for B2B or C2B
This article suggests putting up a secure form on your website as an easy way to encrypt messages to you or your company. If 2 parties do it then they can both communicate without knowing each others public keys. (need to trust the server and the security of the server - but the point is it is better then nothing. http://www.viacorp.com/crypto.html Also talks about the security of smart cards. http://www.viacorp.com/crypto.html#paranoia scroll down a little --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Investment Opportunities in Belize
Your comments are also interesting. An ethics code, BBB, etc. would be nice, but the real problem is the participants. It seems to me that not only e-gold, but the entire internet, is prone to scams because everyone on the internet has an immediacy to everything. Every investment must have an immediate turn around, and always a proft. Yes, that is a psychological reason why people might be becoming more gullible. But mere gullibility is not so much of a problem without people who prey on it. And even without any gullibility there still would be crooks (just less successful ones!). This is not just ignorance but stupidity, a BBB made up of stupid people will not protect the stupid people. True! Witness the frequent case of people who have Ponzi games explained to them at great length and still can't resist sending money to a con man! So what else can we do??? Here is an example of how this list attracts crooks. As a result (most likely) of my previous post I was emailed a solicitation from a con game! But are the participants (in egold or the internet generally) really worse than the general population? Perhaps yes, perhaps no. The real problem, it seems to me, is the difficulty of telling the good guys from the bad guys and holding the bad guys responsible for their scams. And the REAL problem is "accomplishing" this last goal in a non self destructive manner: that is, without falling for the greater con of giving up our liberty by turning our lives completely over to the bad guys (in the form of the state). I just get mildly frustrated at times because tools like this list could be so handy for helping people to get togehter, "network", exchange "useful" ideas, and maybe even do business together. How right you are! CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: charities?
Go here for organizations that accept e-gold donations... http://www.bearerinstruments.com/search.php3?Cat1=Organizations -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Galina Ulanova Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 6:03 AM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] charities? Are there any charity programs out there that take e-gold? = Good bye for now! Galina Ulanova __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] E-gold scam survey
I did a little research. I did a simple search of the web for "e-gold". It returned over 3000 hits. Looking at the first 20 hits there were 4 obvious scams (and 4 other ads for internet gambling sites). If this extrapolates to the whole sample then there would be over 600 scams involving e-gold. It gives one pause. A substantial part of the growth in e-gold activity may be driven by scamsters. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: charities?
Try: http://www.charitychase.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Galina Ulanova Sent: Sunday, 17 December, 2000 07:03 To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] charities? Are there any charity programs out there that take e-gold? = Good bye for now! Galina Ulanova __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
It doesn't matter how much money is in e-gold, it will never be "real" currency until it is recognized as such by governments. The unfortunate fact is based on the tax code which mades every single transaction involving e-gold a capital gains or loss incurring transaction. If I buy a book that costs me $25.00, I sell so much e-gold to acquire $25.00 in currency. That transaction must be tracked along with every single e-gold transaction for potential capital gains and losses. For an individual to do so is almost impossible, but the possibility of the government really being concerned is minimal. However, for a legitimate tax paying business, (I'm not even going to think about a public company) to do business in e-gold on any other terms other than very large transactions is impossible. The complex accounting requirements would cost a company too much money to justify accepting e-gold. Now offshore companies that are tax free, and individuals and companies that have no compunction about defying tax laws can use e-gold without too much trouble, but I can't see it being useful for everyday commerce. On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:21:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CCS wrote: I did a little research. I did a simple search of the web for "e-gold". It returned over 3000 hits. Looking at the first 20 hits there were 4 obvious scams (and 4 other ads for internet gambling sites). If this extrapolates to the whole sample then there would be over 600 scams involving e-gold. It gives one pause. A substantial part of the growth in e-gold activity may be driven by scamsters. CCS But, when total accounts, or better yet, funded accounts get up around a million, watch regular businesses sit up and take notice. ; ) What's that, about a little over a year from now for total accounts and 2+ years for funded accounts? Roughly speaking. Bob -- http://www.bearerinstruments.com http://www.bearerinstruments.com/assets/BIMDsPGPkey.txt 650C 51DA 734F 697F 5706 3D6A 7712 BCC9 D1AE 00BA --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ For an e-gold funded Debit Card: http://www.glencannongroup.com/genucap/ ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: E-gold scam survey
You make some good points about the impracticality of using e-gold for a taxpaying business because of the difficulty of figuring out the tax consequences of so much exchange/trading activity. It doesn't matter how much money is in e-gold, it will never be "real" currency until it is recognized as such by governments. But I am not sure what you mean by government "recognition" or why that would improve the situation. Historically, currency in the United States all used to be privately issued. The reason this is no longer the case is that around the time of the Civil War a circulation tax (of 10%, if my recollection serves me right) was enacted for the purpose of driving the private issues out of circulation. [I think this was done as part of Lincoln's Civil War income tax (which was later declared unconstitutional once Lincoln let the Supreme Court justices out of prison).] The last time I checked (which admitedly was 35 years ago) this circulation tax was still on the books. So government "recognition" might only mean being subject to this tax. In any case government "recognition" would, one way or the other, mean government control that would remove all reasons to use it. Now offshore companies that are tax free, and individuals and companies that have no compunction about defying tax laws can use e-gold without too much trouble, but I can't see it being useful for everyday commerce. That's good enough for me. CCS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] orgs accepting e-gold donations
Here's a link to a partial listing of worthy organisations accepting e-gold donations and their home links. http://www.members.tripod.com/~lowell_potter/char http://www.members.tripod.com/~lowell_potter/char --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
