[e-gold-list] Gold-today & Osgold
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[e-gold-list] OS Gold
Here is what one person had to say about OSGold: OSGold is not a good operation to have anything to do with because they issue Gold CERTIFICATES issued by a Malaysian bank. Not worth the paper they are written on. This is even worse than not having gold at all. A gold certificate is about as worthless as the Malaysian dollar right now. Gold certificates are not backed by gold. Gold certificates are not hard money and are not precious metals. The last time this happened the entire Malaysian monetary system flopped bringing banks to their knees. Law suits are guaranteed to fly here. Charge 10% to get in and 10% to get out. Plain greed and larceny. Their reply to me was that "No, we are not full time bullion dealers. We are businessmen involved in many facets of investments and trades." They are not bullion dealers period, never mind full time. In answer to "What insurance or protection of a clients funds are in place." the following was their reply. "Customer funds are converted into gold, so I am not quite sure what you are asking. We have placed the gold certificates with our bank, and they are the ones who insure our funds and the safekeeping of the certificates. These insurance policies are private and confidential matters between a bank and their customers." Recommendation. Don't touch with a thousand foot barge pole. Well, after that scathing review I thought I'd let you know. MIKE --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: (Fwd) URGENT! Tax Day Deadline!
Regarding the Libertarian Party and E-gold, I do see the acceptance of E-gold donations here at the Libertarian Party of California official web site: http://www.ca.lp.org/ Look down toward the lower right part of that page for the E-gold logo and the Contribute button. HR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fractional Reserve Banking
David Hillary wrote: > Banks are not and do not pretend to be warehouses for stacks of paper > notes or bullion or whatever. Banks are liquidity institutions which > accept DEPOSITS hold LIQUID RESERVES and INVEST in DEBTS of various > kinds. > Money is created by banks and currency institutions as well as gold > producers. You're right in saying banks are not warehouses for bullion, but wrong when you say money is created by banks, except maybe a long long time ago. I'd include currency institutions, but I don't know your definition of that phrase. Money and currency are two different things. For an explanation, buy 'Money - Ye shall have honest weights and measures': http://www.bearerinstruments.com/search.php3?Cat1=Publications If a bank isn't a currency institution, then what is the difference between a bank and a currency institution? And, where does your definition of currency institution come from? Or is that another one of those phrases that gets thrown around a lot but never defined? >Banking is not fraud and its not warehousing. You're right on the warehousing part. Wrong on the fraud part. 'Money - Ye ... ' might be expensive relative to other books, but it's "Just this side of stealing" relative to the value of the knowledge in it. It usually pays to nail down the most basic stuff first. Then more advanced future thinking (time and energy being non-renewable resources let alone scarce) on the stuff tends not to be wasteful. Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fractional Reserve Banking
Bob wrote: > > David Hillary wrote: > > > > > Banks are not and do not pretend to be warehouses for stacks of paper > > notes or bullion or whatever. Banks are liquidity institutions which > > accept DEPOSITS hold LIQUID RESERVES and INVEST in DEBTS of various > > kinds. > > > > > Money is created by banks and currency institutions as well as gold > > producers. > > You're right in saying banks are not warehouses for bullion, but wrong > when you say money is created by banks, except maybe a long long time > ago. I'd include currency institutions, but I don't know your definition > of that phrase. Money and currency are two different things. Money is means of exchange, a transactional medium, means of payment, it is created by banks whose balances can be used and are in fact used to make payments. > > For an explanation, buy 'Money - Ye shall have honest weights and > measures': > http://www.bearerinstruments.com/search.php3?Cat1=Publications > > If a bank isn't a currency institution, then what is the difference > between a bank and a currency institution? And, where does your > definition of currency institution come from? Or is that another one of > those phrases that gets thrown around a lot but never defined? A currency institutions is just an institutions that issues currency, such as a currency board, for example the Hong Kong Monetary Austhority. The HKMA issues HK dollars against a reserve of USD in US banks and US bonds (i.e. a liquid reserve and an earning reserve). This currency is the monetary base or high powered money for Hong Kong, banks use it to create balances (using fractional reserve banking) in HKD. This is a good illustration of how the value of currency is not diminished by fractional reserve banking. The HKMA exchanges HKD for USD at a fixed rate of 7.80 HKD=1 USD. It maintains reserve assets equal to the entire monetary base. the reserve is made up of liquid reserves (USD bank account balances) and USD bonds. The banks then take this currency backed up by debt and use it as the basis for the creation of further money in the form of their balances in fractional reserve banking. Thus the actual USD bills held to back up the entire HK monetary system is close to zero, but since 1983 the HKMA has sucessfully maintained the HKD at or close to the target rate. Digigold and Standard Gold are currency institutions of the e-gold economy, which do or could use debt to back up their currencies. > > >Banking is not fraud and its not warehousing. > > You're right on the warehousing part. Wrong on the fraud part. > > 'Money - Ye ... ' might be expensive relative to other books, but > it's "Just this side of stealing" relative to the value of the > knowledge in it. > > It usually pays to nail down the most basic stuff first. Then more > advanced future thinking (time and energy being non-renewable > resources let alone scarce) on the stuff tends not to be wasteful. > > Bob where is the fruad or trickery? who is hiding what from whom? Who is misleading who? fractional reserve banking is not fraud. There are no contracts being broken and no misleading or deceptive actions. David Hillary --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Australian Real Estate Agents
I'd suggest that one reason there are so many estate agents is this: In the 1950s and 1960s there was a large wave of immigration to Australia, primarily from Southern Europe (Greece and Italy in particular). Over the next few decades many of the immigrants invested their wealth in property, however being (in the large part) essentially transplanted peasants weren't in a position to manage it themselves (many were illiterate or even unable to speak English, making it difficult to manage properties themselves). As a result, estate agents abound. Don't think the size of the Australian continent has anything to do with it, 80% or so is desert and either owned by the Government (nominally) the big cattle concerns (and such luminaries as HRH Queen Elizabeth, Prince Phillip, Royal Dutch Shell etc.), but that's a whole other story) or are national parks of one sort or another. Mny vast areas are potentially the property of various Aboriginal traditional owners who have had some recognition of the theft of their land in the courts over the last decade. New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Australian real estate agents and Australian Banks
Hi JP, It was just a light-hearted comment, not intended to be taken seriously! :) The fact remains that we do have a staggering amount of land available at low prices compared to other developed countries. On the other hand, the vast tracts of land are not owned by ordinary Australians, but most likely by governments (State and Federal), a small percentage of primary producers, and Aboriginal* communities, or are of virtually no (currrent) commercial value, and therefore do not ordinarily change hands or contribute to the business of real estate agents. * [ Strangely, some statistics suggest that until the 1980s, aboriginals accounted for 1 percent of our population, possibly a tenth of that in the cooler southern states, but that doubled to 2 percent by the end of the 1990s. There must have been a heck of a lot of people 'adopting' aboriginality over the past several years, but that, of course, is another subject! ;) ] Regards, Ian Green ao.com.au > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 16 April 2001 10:04 AM > To: e-gold Discussion > Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Australian real estate agents and Australian > Banks > > > >With 19 million people inhabiting a continent nearly the size of > the lower > >48 states, we must have at least 5 times more real estate (by area, not > >value) than any other first world country. :) > > > > Your analysis is in error, Ian! That would suggest that Aussie > should have real estate agents that are five times LARGER IN SIZE > than in other countries, rather than five times MORE real estate > agents than in other countries! > > >Regards, > > > >Ian Green > >ao.com.au > > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fw: OS Gold
Very interesting when one will post something with truth into it. I just received this reply from my posting earlier. MIKE From: "shupperd1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mike Poulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] OS Gold | MIKE to bring to your attention: | | Thank you for bringing this concern to our attention. | | While it is true that in the 1st days of OSGold's opening, we were backed | 100% by gold certificates, that is no longer true. We are, in fact, backed | 150% of our deposits, with a breakdown as follows... | | 50% by gold certificates | 50% by gold bars | 50% by cash | | Your money is completely safe with us. | | One further note on gold certificates...while it is true that more gold | certificates are issued than gold exists, everyone would have to cash them | in all at once for it to be a problem...This is the reason we did not | hesitate to purchase them for our own use. | | We will always do everything in our power to ensure the safety of our | members deposits...Please feel free to copy my response to you, to the other | posting you noted. | | Thank you, | | Laurie Dyke | OSGold Operations Director | | | | For Gold Games, join my yahoo group by sending a blank email to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Tired of games? Join my investment list by sending blank email to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Money to Gold, and Gold to Money. Service you deserve | and the SPEED you require www.fastgold.net | | Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE | INFORMED!!! | http://www.e-told.com/?157585 | | | for all of your internet shopping needs visit my mall | www.multiplexmall.com/js1460 Notify me of any purchases | made at my mall, and I will give you a rebate in GOLD | | God Bless You and Yours, | James Shupperd | | Contact me anytime | ICQ # 99212386 | Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd | yahoo messengershupperd_james | PaLTalk James_CA | - Original Message - | From: "Mike Poulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: "e-gold Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 4:01 AM | Subject: [e-gold-list] OS Gold | | | > Here is what one person had to say about OSGold: | > | > OSGold is not a good operation to have anything to do with because | > they issue Gold CERTIFICATES issued by a Malaysian bank. Not worth the | > paper they are written on. This is even worse than not having gold at | > all. A gold certificate is about as worthless as the Malaysian dollar | > right now. | > Gold certificates are not backed by gold. Gold certificates are not hard | > money and are not precious metals. | > The last time this happened the entire Malaysian monetary system flopped | > bringing banks to their knees. Law suits are guaranteed to fly here. | > Charge 10% to get in and 10% to get out. Plain greed and larceny. | > | > Their reply to me was that "No, we are not full time bullion dealers. We | > are businessmen involved in many facets of investments and trades." | > They are not bullion dealers period, never mind full time. | > | > In answer to "What insurance or protection of a clients funds are in | > place." the following was their reply. | > "Customer funds are converted into gold, so I am not quite sure what you | > are asking. We have placed the gold certificates with our | > bank, and they are the ones who insure our funds and the safekeeping of | the | > certificates. | > These insurance policies are private and confidential matters between a | > bank and their customers." | > | > Recommendation. Don't touch with a thousand foot barge pole. | > | > | > Well, after that scathing review I thought I'd let you know. | > | > | > MIKE | > | > | > --- | > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > To unsubscribe send a blank email to | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | | --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Internet Ethics?
>>It is a subtle form > > of theft. It breaks the command "thou shalt not steal" which is fundamental > > to the success of a free-market economy. > > There is no such commandment neccesary. The free-market economy is > capitalism with instant communication via the net and without government > intervention, right? Anybody who acts deceitfully will not be dealt with > anymore. Reputation is your most valuable commodity in a free-market > economy. > Capitalism succeeds because it is based upon one of humanity's greatest > failings... Greed. However, without sufficient communication, capitalism > can burn itself out because there are no feedback mechanisms. This is why > we have had government intervention. The government institutes law after > law to regulate Capitalism into some sort of Socialism. Socialism would be > a great system to live under, however it doesn't take into account the one > thing that Capitalism does; Greed. > > However, now, with the instant world-wide communication provided by the > internet, the feedback mechanisms are now beginning to exist. Anybody who > doesn't ensure the purity of their product and passes it off as so will > not be in business for long. > > If there is no government intervention, an added responsibility is needed. > "Caveat Emptor" becomes completely true again. This opens up a very interesting question. Can an effective global free-market economy exist without state coercion to punish thieves and frauds? Can a free-market effectively operate when there is no common ethical standard governing the personal actions of the participants? The HYIP scammers discussed on this list have been quick to volunteer to provide a test case. All fraud is based on abused trust. Fraud cannot happen unless one person trusted the word, contract, or signature of another person. Since all internet transactions by definition require trust, scammers are able to pretend to be trustworthy in order to gain the money of another person by promising something in return. They then break their word and escape (theoretically) with the money. The scammer has an economic incentive to commit fraud. 1. There are millions of new suckers born every minute. 2. Due to the fact that the Internet has so MUCH information that individuals cannot possibly absorb it all, fraudsters will always be able to find new ignorant victims. 3. The victim learns "caveat emptor" at his own expense.The scammer is financially rewarded for teaching the victim this lesson. 4. It is very easy to create a new "identity" on the internet in order to get around the loss of trust problem. Trust is required in order for a free-market to work. As long as states are ineffective in raising the cost of fraud, scammers will continue to use the internet to rip people off. This will gradually undermine the free-market because 1. It will erode trust all around. 2. It reduces the efficiency of the market by raising transaction cost. If a large portion of the population really believes the ethic put forward that "Greed is good" then more and more people will resort to fraud, because after all, they are helping to educate suckers, and they are advancing themselves financially, and there will always be new suckers to educate, so there isn't much reason not to rip people off. The scam artist is really a benefactor to society, right? There are only two things that can keep the free-market working: fear of temporal consquences and fear of eternal consequences. In other words, the fear of the State and fear of God. The state has never been efficient in punishing thieves and never will be. The widespread fear of God is what allowed Western Civilization to arise because it created a society with a common ethical standard. (In London in the late 1600's pickpocketing was punished by hanging. However, it was so hard to catch pickpockets that many people had their pockets picked whilst standing in the crowd watching the execution of pickpockets. Even fear of death is not sufficient to prevent it, unless the state can catch the perp the majority of the time. It never will be that efficient.)Since the state has never been very effective at punishing thievery, fear of eternal retribution has generally been the basis of morality that has allowed civilization to exist. The free-market only works when the majority of the population has the self-governance to abstain from lying and stealing. If the morality of the MAJORITY of society dissolves, making it highly likely that you can't trust anyone's word, then the free-market fails. HK Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Fractional Reserve Banking
David Hillary wrote: > Money is means of exchange, a transactional medium, means of payment, it > is created by banks whose balances can be used and are in fact used to > make payments. I don't agree with your definition of money at all. Nor is it the classical definition. Let's assume your definition is correct. What then is currency? > > For an explanation, buy 'Money - Ye shall have honest weights and > > measures': > > http://www.bearerinstruments.com/search.php3?Cat1=Publications > > > > > If a bank isn't a currency institution, then what is the difference > > between a bank and a currency institution? And, where does your > > definition of currency institution come from? Or is that another one of > > those phrases that gets thrown around a lot but never defined? > > A currency institutions is just an institutions that issues currency, > such as a currency board, for example the Hong Kong Monetary Austhority. > The HKMA issues HK dollars against a reserve of USD in US banks and US > bonds (i.e. a liquid reserve and an earning reserve). This currency is > the monetary base or high powered money for Hong Kong, banks use it to > create balances (using fractional reserve banking) in HKD. This is a > good illustration of how the value of currency is not diminished by > fractional reserve banking. No it's not. If the US government devalues the USD, using the fractional reserve banking system like it's done many times before for large devaluations and consistently for small devaluations, then the HKD gets devalued along with it. Fractional reserve banking is not a bad thing by itself, but if used to defraud and rob, like governments use fractional reserve banking, then it's a bad thing, and not "a good illustration of how the value of currency is not diminished by fractional reserve banking.". The HKMA exchanges HKD for USD at a fixed > rate of 7.80 HKD=1 USD. It maintains reserve assets equal to the entire > monetary base. the reserve is made up of liquid reserves (USD bank > account balances) and USD bonds. The banks then take this currency > backed up by debt and use it as the basis for the creation of further > money in the form of their balances in fractional reserve banking. Thus > the actual USD bills held to back up the entire HK monetary system is > close to zero, Using the phrase "back up" a bit loosely, aren't you? but since 1983 the HKMA has sucessfully maintained the > HKD at or close to the target rate. Ok. There's such things as luck, and chutspah, for a while. > > >Banking is not fraud and its not warehousing. > > > > You're right on the warehousing part. Wrong on the fraud part. > > > > 'Money - Ye ... ' might be expensive relative to other books, but > > it's "Just this side of stealing" relative to the value of the > > knowledge in it. > > > > It usually pays to nail down the most basic stuff first. Then more > > advanced future thinking (time and energy being non-renewable > > resources let alone scarce) on the stuff tends not to be wasteful. > > > > Bob > > where is the fruad or trickery? who is hiding what from whom? Who is > misleading who? fractional reserve banking is not fraud. There are no > contracts being broken and no misleading or deceptive actions. At least you now know where to go to get your answers. Bob -- http://www.constructiongigs.com/ Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=101670 ConstructionGigs.com's PGP public key is here: http://www.constructiongigs.com/assets/DH-DSSkey.txt Fingerprint: 3C4D A63F 3C8B 2D7B 7E1A FFE8 9A2E 4D78 CAD6 66B7 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Money vs Currency
On 16 Apr 2001, at 11:18, Bob wrote: > Let's assume your definition is correct. What then is currency? Bob, Here is something interesting on Money and Currency What Is Electronic Money? Electronic money, as it is often referred to, is essentially a payment or transfer of funds that is initiated and processed electronically within current interbank payment systems. Given the recent proliferation of computers, modems and modern telecommunication links, the market for electronic money products has grown immensely. Electronic money is the digital representation of money, or more accurately, the digital representation of currency. It must be noted that the words money and currency, although used interchangeably and often synonymously, do in fact mean different things. "Money" is simply a means of communicating value, while "currency" is the physical manifestation of money currency gives money visible form. Although the term "electronic" currency is usually used in expressing the movement of currency through computer networks, "digital" currency is the more precise term, distinguishing it from "analog" electronic currency, which is theoretically possible to create. I will use electronic when referring to currency's historic development up to the present, whereas digital will refer to currency in the future. http://www.goldmoney.com/futuremoney.html Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold in Espanol?
Hi all. I've been contacted by a nice person in Peru, who'd like to exchange (Pesos?) for some grams of e-gold. He's making a valiant attempt at English (and I fear what would result from my trying the same thing in Spanish!) so if anyone would like me to forward him a message, I'll be happy to do it. Obviously, South America (if you can get by the language barrier) might be a lucrative market for some of you. Thanks. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold in Espanol?/We have answered him in Spanish
Hi Jim and all, We have answered the gentleman and pointed him to our Spanish pages. We also pointed him at our Spanish pages. Visit our site at: http://www.eurogoldline.nl We just added the forum to all of our pages. The purpose of the forum is to keep our clients abreast of additions to our services. More importantly, it gives them links where they can get information on how to spot a possible scam or fraud operation, and we post current scams as we hear about them. Frank EuroGoldLine Admin --- "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. I've been contacted by a nice person in > Peru, who'd like to exchange > (Pesos?) for some grams of e-gold. He's making a > valiant attempt at English > (and I fear what would result from my trying the > same thing in Spanish!) so > if anyone would like me to forward him a message, > I'll be happy to do it. > > Obviously, South America (if you can get by the > language barrier) might be > a lucrative market for some of you. Thanks. > JMR > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What, you don't have an e-gold account? Get it here, FREE http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538 Need to manage your e-gold account? Compare our rates. Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE! http://www.eurogoldline.nl Check out our other site http://www.AAAloha.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold in Espanol?/We have answered him in Spanish
Hi Jim and all, EuroGoldLine has answered the request of the gentleman. We also directed him to our Spanish or Portugeuse pages on our site. Visit Eurogoldline at: http://www.eurogoldline.nl Please note that we have added a forum button on all our pages. The forum is to keep our clients aware of new services tht we provide, and more importantly to not only provide links to sites where they can educate themselves about scams and frauds, but also we will post reported current scams. We support all efforts to reduce scams and fraud on the internet. Frank EuroGoldLine Admin --- "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. I've been contacted by a nice person in > Peru, who'd like to exchange > (Pesos?) for some grams of e-gold. He's making a > valiant attempt at English > (and I fear what would result from my trying the > same thing in Spanish!) so > if anyone would like me to forward him a message, > I'll be happy to do it. > > Obviously, South America (if you can get by the > language barrier) might be > a lucrative market for some of you. Thanks. > JMR > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What, you don't have an e-gold account? Get it here, FREE http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538 Need to manage your e-gold account? Compare our rates. Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE! http://www.eurogoldline.nl Check out our other site http://www.AAAloha.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold in Espanol?/We have answered him in Spanish
Hi Jim and all, We have answered the gentleman and pointed him to our Spanish pages. We also pointed him at our Spanish pages. Visit our site at: http://www.eurogoldline.nl We just added the forum to all of our pages. The purpose of the forum is to keep our clients abreast of additions to our services. More importantly, it gives them links where they can get information on how to spot a possible scam or fraud operation, and we post current scams as we hear about them. Frank EuroGoldLine Admin --- "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. I've been contacted by a nice person in > Peru, who'd like to exchange > (Pesos?) for some grams of e-gold. He's making a > valiant attempt at English > (and I fear what would result from my trying the > same thing in Spanish!) so > if anyone would like me to forward him a message, > I'll be happy to do it. > > Obviously, South America (if you can get by the > language barrier) might be > a lucrative market for some of you. Thanks. > JMR > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What, you don't have an e-gold account? Get it here, FREE http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538 Need to manage your e-gold account? Compare our rates. Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE! http://www.eurogoldline.nl Check out our other site http://www.AAAloha.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold in Espanol?/We have answered him in Spanish
Hi Jim and all, EuroGoldLine has answered the request of the gentleman. We also directed him to our Spanish or Portugeuse pages on our site. Visit Eurogoldline at: http://www.eurogoldline.nl Please note that we have added a forum button on all our pages. The forum is to keep our clients aware of new services tht we provide, and more importantly to not only provide links to sites where they can educate themselves about scams and frauds, but also we will post reported current scams. We support all efforts to reduce scams and fraud on the internet. Frank EuroGoldLine Admin --- "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. I've been contacted by a nice person in > Peru, who'd like to exchange > (Pesos?) for some grams of e-gold. He's making a > valiant attempt at English > (and I fear what would result from my trying the > same thing in Spanish!) so > if anyone would like me to forward him a message, > I'll be happy to do it. > > Obviously, South America (if you can get by the > language barrier) might be > a lucrative market for some of you. Thanks. > JMR > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What, you don't have an e-gold account? Get it here, FREE http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538 Need to manage your e-gold account? Compare our rates. Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE! http://www.eurogoldline.nl Check out our other site http://www.AAAloha.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold in Espanol?/We have answered him in Spanish
Hi Jim and all, EuroGoldLine has answered the request of the gentleman. We also directed him to our Spanish or Portugeuse pages on our site. Visit Eurogoldline at: http://www.eurogoldline.nl Please note that we have added a forum button on all our pages. The forum is to keep our clients aware of new services tht we provide, and more importantly to not only provide links to sites where they can educate themselves about scams and frauds, but also we will post reported current scams. We support all efforts to reduce scams and fraud on the internet. Frank EuroGoldLine Admin --- "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all. I've been contacted by a nice person in > Peru, who'd like to exchange > (Pesos?) for some grams of e-gold. He's making a > valiant attempt at English > (and I fear what would result from my trying the > same thing in Spanish!) so > if anyone would like me to forward him a message, > I'll be happy to do it. > > Obviously, South America (if you can get by the > language barrier) might be > a lucrative market for some of you. Thanks. > JMR > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What, you don't have an e-gold account? Get it here, FREE http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538 Need to manage your e-gold account? Compare our rates. Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE! http://www.eurogoldline.nl Check out our other site http://www.AAAloha.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: (Fwd) URGENT! Tax Day Deadline!
That's strange, why would the FEC care if they take their money in egold over a credit card? I think someone over there isn't thinking straight. John !!! Our Offshore Website has been totally redesigned, and we now have web based banking, opening of accounts, deposits, and withdrawals! Go to: http://www.offshorearnings.com +)) -Original Message- From: James M. Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] (Fwd) URGENT! Tax Day Deadline! >>If the LP took egold for ther donations, I think they would get money >>faster. To everyon on the egold list: email the LP and ask them >>why they don't take the Libertarian egold currencies. >> > >Hi. e-gold is an apolitical currency (despite most adherents' views) but >if you wish to give, the California LP does accept it, along with a few >other state parties. I've repeatedly mailed them, and the standard reply >seems to be that the FEC will give them troubles if they take e-gold (as >if the FEC otherwise leaves them completely alone, I know...). I would >like to think there'll be a change, but I've learned to be happy with just >www.self-gov.org and other pro-freedom sites, and this time I searched >for the word "gold" to see if they'd seen the light, and then deleted the >message. Maybe I should email them once again, though. > --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FRAUD ALERT
Hello, The e-gold Fraud list appears to be down, so I thought the general Discussion list would be an appropriate place to post this e-mail I received. This is for the protection of all e-gold users and Market Makers: (all future posts will be returned to the Fraud list once it goes back up) - Original Message - From: Craig Dunham To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: Potential Fraud? I have been recently involved in an online auction and upon receiving a call from a company called Canadian Gold inquiring about a deposit I became suspicious.You web site describes a scenario that seems to be playing out for me.The gentleman’s name and the other information is listed at the bottom of this email. As immediately following this note is the email he sent in my name. This guy has set up an email account in my name and is representing himself as me to this company.If you have any involvement or know how to reach him, you should do so, as I am suspicious he is trying to pull off a scam.Sincerely,Craig Dunham Please take note that the Auction Scammer is still targeting auction sites. I rec'd a follow up e-mail from Mr. Dunham who informed me that the scammer called him posing as an employee of Canadian Gold to inquire about his payment delay. He has opened accounts in the name of Canadian Gold employees now. Scammer Bounty: 96.1 grams and counting! Who will be the next victim of identity theft? You? Your company? Thanks for your attention! Eric Gaither, PresidentGaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.(317) 788-8580 Voice[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://businesses.msn.com/gege/ Scammer(s) take notice...the Gold Community is united in seeing your demise: http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=283196 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Internet Ethics?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>It is a subtle form > > > of theft. It breaks the command "thou shalt not steal" which is > fundamental > > > to the success of a free-market economy. > > > > There is no such commandment neccesary. The free-market economy is > > capitalism with instant communication via the net and without government > > intervention, right? Anybody who acts deceitfully will not be dealt with > > anymore. Reputation is your most valuable commodity in a free-market > > economy. > > Capitalism succeeds because it is based upon one of humanity's greatest > > failings... Greed. However, without sufficient communication, capitalism > > can burn itself out because there are no feedback mechanisms. This is why > > we have had government intervention. The government institutes law after > > law to regulate Capitalism into some sort of Socialism. Socialism would be > > a great system to live under, however it doesn't take into account the one > > thing that Capitalism does; Greed. > > > > However, now, with the instant world-wide communication provided by the > > internet, the feedback mechanisms are now beginning to exist. Anybody who > > doesn't ensure the purity of their product and passes it off as so will > > not be in business for long. > > > > If there is no government intervention, an added responsibility is needed. > > "Caveat Emptor" becomes completely true again. > > This opens up a very interesting question. Can an effective global > free-market economy exist without state coercion to punish thieves and > frauds? Can a free-market effectively operate when there is no common > ethical standard governing the personal actions of the participants? Yes the state has an important role in the free market economy, allowing the tarnishing of the reputations of those who are convicted of such crimes. Reputation is an asset government can effectively tarnish as punishment for crime, especially if information is free flowing regarding convictions, to that employers and investors etc. can check and verify the reputation of those they deal with. Also, obviously the state can authororise the seizure of assets of those convicted for restitution/damages. Also, where cinvictions occur and the convicted person does not have physical/financial assets to seize sufficient to pay the restitution/damages, then the 'human capital' of the individual can also be seized in the form of forced labour or slavery or whatever you wish to call it. The liberty of individuals to move about and trade with whom they please can be taken away as punishment for crime, this allows cretitors to extract what they can (with limitations on cruelty and mistreatment) and provides a disincentive for crime. If the convicted individual can provide no economic return under forced labour (marginal revenue product is less than zero) then imprisionment can be an effective way to take criminals out of circulation and prevent further damage to property owners. The costs of imprisionment can be met from insurance held by property owners or by securitiy policies of priprietary communities. Despite the fact that under multiple competing communities criminals would cause costs on a number of different communities on which they prey, any particular community can ofer to fund imprisonment if needed for crimes committed *within* their community, thus providing a deterent for criminals to prey on their particular community. The difficulties in evaluating the reputation of individuals over the internet increases the transaction costs of internet commerce and makes offline transactions more viable. Transaction cost minimisation means that those types of business done with lower transaction costs online will be done online and those done with lower transaction costs offline will be done offline. Transaction costs minimsation in security and law enforcement and litigation funding would minimise the costs of crime. However resources are far from free moving in these over-regulated sectors, and counter-productive policies such as drug prohibition increase the incidence and costs of crime. > > The HYIP scammers discussed on this list have been quick to volunteer to > provide a test case. All fraud is based on abused trust. Fraud cannot > happen unless one person trusted the word, contract, or signature of another > person. Since all internet transactions by definition require trust, > scammers are able to pretend to be trustworthy in order to gain the money of > another person by promising something in return. They then break their word > and escape (theoretically) with the money. > > The scammer has an economic incentive to commit fraud. > 1. There are millions of new suckers born every minute. > 2. Due to the fact that the Internet has so MUCH information that > individuals cannot possibly absorb it all, fraudsters will always be able to > find new ignorant victims. > 3. The victim learns "caveat emptor" at his own expense.The scammer is
[e-gold-list] Grant, Greenspan and the Wizard of Oz
A longish read. Grant takes e-gold by the way. http://www.mises.org/journals/aen/Aen_wi96.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: (Fwd) URGENT! Tax Day Deadline!
>Regarding the Libertarian Party and E-gold, I do see the >acceptance of E-gold donations here at the Libertarian >Party of California official web site: > >http://www.ca.lp.org/ > >Look down toward the lower right part of that page for the >E-gold logo and the Contribute button. > The interface works perfectly. I just sent them $25, and YOU SHOULD TOO! (Whoever's reading this!) JPM --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FRB
> HK Kid wrote > > Why did you paraphrase two distinct, contradictory comments from two > >different people into one quoted statement? > > I didn't. I cut and pasted one straight quote from one person, but I would > have to dig back into the archive to figure out which message I responded > to. (I deleted the copy for the sake of the folks on the digest.) Here is the message you replied to. http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03567.html Here is the message that has paraphrasing in it. http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03627.html > I would be very interested to know how anyone can measure this. In order for it affect world gold supply in the way you describe, a derivative must be recorded somewhere. All these records should be able to be compiled. > the central banks don't have enough gold to suppress the market forever by > dumping it. If they keep dumping it they will soon run out. The national reserves aren't infinite, but they aren't small. The dumps are usually only a fraction of the total reserves but will overwhelm the intended market. Then the government quietly buys the gold back and starts the process over again. > By encouraging derivatives and forward-selling in the market they > are able to strategically use heavily media announced small dumps to help > keep public confidence in gold low which helps to continue to encourage > forward selling. What does media hype about strategic dumps have to do with derivatives? > This fools the market into thinking the bank will actually dump 10 zillion oz, > when they only intend to sell a small fraction of that. It's called media > leveraging. Again, what does this have do with derivatives? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: April 16, 2001
That great Australian Eddie Solomon (is he still around? He used to be a regular fixture on 'The Investigators') used to swear by this method. His technique, which he claimed made it legal (or at least very difficult to prosecute you) was to buy a property at auction, then run around in one day to get financing from as many different companies as you could. He claimed that because they were all signed on the same date, the couldn't prove which one you filled out first and subsequently couldn't convict you of lying on the statement. Then of course the terrible burden of finance charges were a huge tax- deduction, while you fixed the place up and could ultimately sell it at a profit. Sounds a bit fishy I know, but he claims many business empires are started this way. >>>The following scenario would be fraudulent in the US: You have a house, free of all encumbrances, and you want to get an equity loan. You apply to two banks at the same time and their credit checks both go through close enough that neither is aware of your application with the other. You then sign deeds of trust with both banks, with neither knowing about the other. You thus successfully use the same house for full collateral with two different lenders at the same time. I know a guy who did this. If the banks ever figure it out, he will probably go to jail. New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] nice..
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html gold shooting up! --- "Intel is a photo printing company. Microsoft makes a text editor. Amazon or eBay can be programmed in a day with Perl or Basic and run on a $500 machine. The whole of 'IT' (banking, finance, markets, etc.) is no more complicated than a $10 Casio name and address organizer. We are in the low-tech age." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Scam notice
From: Craig Dunham To: Eric J. Gaither Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Potential Fraud? Eric,He has expanded his scam to include a girl at Canadian Gold. He used her identity to set up an email account in her name as well and is using her identity as the contact person at the Royal Bank/Canada.M. MacLean (Maggie) is the girl I spoke to, but he calls her a he. After asking who M. MacLean was he went to the effort above and now has stated that “he” will reply directly to my questions if necessary. In any case, He obviously will do whatever he feels is necessary to get people’s money.Maggie was informed of this as well.Craig Dunham Eric Gaither, PresidentGaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.(317) 788-8580 Voice[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://businesses.msn.com/gege/ Scammer(s) take notice...the Gold Community is united in seeing your demise: http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=283196 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
