[e-gold-list] Scam notice
From: Craig Dunham To: Eric J. Gaither Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: Re: Potential Fraud? Eric,He has expanded his scam to include a girl at Canadian Gold. He used her identity to set up an email account in her name as well and is using her identity as the contact person at the Royal Bank/Canada.M. MacLean (Maggie) is the girl I spoke to, but he calls her a he. After asking who M. MacLean was he went to the effort above and now has stated that he will reply directly to my questions if necessary. In any case, He obviously will do whatever he feels is necessary to get peoples money.Maggie was informed of this as well.Craig Dunham Eric Gaither, PresidentGaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.(317) 788-8580 Voice[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://businesses.msn.com/gege/ Scammer(s) take notice...the Gold Community is united in seeing your demise: http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=283196 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Using e-gold from Italy
First of all we want to apologize for the duplicate postings, last evening. We kept receiving an error message, as though it was not being delivered. This morning we saw the results, again sorry. Important Notice for all our worldwide clients. You do not need to convert from your local currency into USD. Our bank, will convert it from your currency to EURO's, at the GOING exchange in the Netherlands at the time of arrival, without extra costs. Therefore, you avoid the cost of conversion, from your local currency to USD. The only caution, in this, is that the eschange rate you will receive is dependent on The Netherlands, which could be diferrent than what you show. We will send you a confirmation, on receipt of funds, and give you the details of the amount actually deposited in our account. Please visit our site at http://www.eurogoldline.nl While there, click on the forum and join our group at Yahoo, and stay informed. Thank you, Frank EuroGoldAdmin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello e-gold list, my name is Nicola and I'm new to this list. I live in Italy, and I'm looking to a Gold Exchange Services or Marketer here in my country or, if not, to a Marketer who may change e-gold to our currency, ITL (Italian Lira) or Euro. I feel the main problems are exchange rates, and fees who comes from Banks. Also, I did not completely understand the process of funding and withdrawing money from my e-gold account; ok, funding might be easier (of course :-) but redeem money may be too expensive with low amounts of money Please let me know. Thanks Regards Nicola -- Virgilio Mail - Il tuo indirizzo E-mail gratis http://mail.virgilio.it --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = What, you don't have an e-gold account? Get it here, FREE http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=139538 Need to manage your e-gold account? Compare our rates. Serving Europe, but available WORLDWIDE! http://www.eurogoldline.nl Check out our other site http://www.AAAloha.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] clarification re goldeconomy article
I've been lurking here for a while and would like to correct an apparent misconception regarding the Gold Economy Article comparing currencies ( http://www.goldeconomy.com/compare.htm ). The text from the article was as follows: [Fractional Reserve E-gold and GoldMoney are both 100% gold-backed. However, e-gold allows and holds stock in companies that use e-gold as the basis for ractional reserve banking (DigiGold and Standard Reserve). Standard Reserve is presently 100% backed by e-gold, but has plans to pursue fractional reserve banking in the near future. GoldMoney is both 100% gold-backed and does not allow holders to use the currency as the basis for fractional reserve banking. Gold Money gets one star for being 100% gold-backed.] The article did not say anything negative about e-gold or Standard Reserve, it merely gave GoldMoney a star for apparently having the greatest committment to the concept of 100% backed currencies. Readers are free to decide for themselves whether they think it matters or not, as with all of the other criteria that were examined in the article. The goal of the article was to present factual information in a format that would allow readers to evaluate the currencies for their own needs, not to create controversy. Thanks, Ken Griffith www.goldeconomy.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Theft!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It would really depend on when the customer's spends were made. If they are recent, then I would suggest the customer give further information so that assistance may be given. Judging by the amount of $750, if the spends were made sometime in November or December of last year, it was actually a spend into the former ee-bizventures program on their $375 level. EBV changed that particular account to the "legal defense fund" when they claimed that they were facing legal difficulties and required everyone to make a spend to keep their program going. It would certainly be helpful for someone making such a claim to provide additional information instead of hitting the list with vague threats. David - Original Message - From: "CCS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Theft! Just what legal defense fund do you suppose this refers to? Perhaps it is for some scam and this guy doesn't realize that e-gold has nothing to do with it. CCS I had an initial amount of $750.00 stolen from my e-gold account by the legal defense fund!! I did not authorize them to do so. So far I have only rec'd the run around.. I suggest they return the $750.00 w/ interest or suffer repercussions. Brett Long ph# 541-347-6321 or 3390 -- http://card.netscape.com/brettheckler1 http://www.mlmwnt.com When entering the mlmwnt.com site for the 1st time,click NEW Visitor,then enter your name,country,e-mail address Brett H. Long Associates as your referral. You may also use acct#000521281 _ _ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: clarification re goldeconomy article
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gold Money gets one star for being 100% gold-backed. But e-gold is also 100% gold-backed. If e-gold is used in some fractional reserve system doesn't make it less backed than 100%. Paul Vahur IceGold -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOtxRKkkfcBeFLocdEQIgUgCgkqOwNsRv0JT6Wu7hojcu7Dum3E8AoNys bratXakm+1vnkAT6C9L+j4C6 =1hdQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold vs. GoldMoney
Ken Griffith wrote: GoldMoney is both 100% gold-backed and does not allow holders to use the currency as the basis for fractional reserve banking... ... or being used as a backing for other currencies. For example, lets say that DigiGold is backed 75% with e-gold and 25% with NASDAQ stocks (not the NASDAQ company stocks, but stocks traded there, you know what I mean). In this case the backing is more than 75%, but it's not exactly 100% either, it will be 100% plus-minus something. This setup will allow the issuers to make profit (with the risk of making loss). The article merely gave GoldMoney a star for apparently having the greatest committment to the concept of 100% backed currencies. I think that e-gold and GoldMoney names really express their natures: e-gold - electronic gold. Like physical gold it can be used in fractional reserve banking (frb) and like physical gold it won't lose in it's value due do the fact of being used in frb. Can also be used asmeans of exchange. GoldMoney - electronic money backed 100% with gold. Unlike physical gold can't (is not allowed to) be used in frb, thus enabling it to be used only as a means of exchange. Any comments from the reps. of e-gold GoldMoney? Regards, Paul Vahur IceGold --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: clarification re goldeconomy article
At 11:05 AM -0400 4/16/01, Ken Griffith wrote: I've been lurking here for a while and would like to correct an apparent misconception regarding the Gold Economy Article comparing currencies ( http://www.goldeconomy.com/compare.htm ). The text from the article was as follows: [Fractional Reserve E-gold and GoldMoney are both 100% gold-backed. However, e-gold allows and holds stock in companies that use e-gold as the basis for ractional reserve banking (DigiGold and Standard Reserve). ... Hi. This is not correct. e-gold Ltd. holds 0 stock in either DigiGold or SR, just as they (still) own 0 bank accounts, and make 0 loans. They just store the gold, period. There are a variety of currencies which use e-gold as a "base," the oldest (AFAIK) being the online game currency from the MUD "Dark Castle" called "plats," but a (hypothetical) failure of Dark Castle's game (and therefore the failure of "plats") wouldn't matter to e-gold Ltd. in the least, as far as I can see. Someone please correct me if I'm getting this wrong. Thanks. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold vs. GoldMoney
On 17 Apr 2001, at 18:42, Paul Vahur wrote: GoldMoney - electronic money backed 100% with gold. Unlike physical gold can't (is not allowed to) be used in frb, thus enabling it to be used only as a means of exchange. Hello Paul, Goldmoney is a digital currency 100% back by gold, exactly like e- gold. Like e-gold, it can be use by a third party to make up a reserve that can be leverage through fractional reserve banking. However, both e-gold and GoldMoney will not have liabilities, make loans or enter into FRB practices. In that regard, they are exactly the same. The differences between the two are at 3 levels I think: 1) the owner of a goldgram is the owner of that portion of gold in the vault. In the e-gold system, the gram of gold in the vault is held in trust by The Trust on behalf of the beneficiary of the e-gold account 2) A goldgram cannot have an encumbrance created against it by its owner. in other words, the goldgram cannot be pledged as collateral value in a contract. I think that is not true of a gram of e- gold. However, both goldgrams and grams of e-gold can be loaned. 3) A different distribution approach: E-gold has a main exchnage provider that also acts as the guardian and the operator of the e- gold system. That is Gold SIlver Reserve who is the only entity that can bail gold bars in the system. GoldMoney relies on independent cambios to market the goldgrams. These Cambios have nothing to do with the operation of the GoldMoney System. Any cambio can bail in a gold bar. In other words, in the GoldMoney System, there is total separation between the system operator and exchange providers. Such is not the case in the e-gold system. Which way is better...time will tell. That is how I understand the differences between both system. Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Gold Economy Article
I've been lurking here for a while and would like to correct an apparent misconception regarding the Gold Economy Article comparing currencies ( http://www.goldeconomy.com/compare.htm ). The text from the article was as follows: [Fractional Reserve E-gold and GoldMoney are both 100% gold-backed. However, e-gold allows and holds stock in companies that use e-gold as the basis for ractional reserve banking (DigiGold and Standard Reserve). Standard Reserve is presently 100% backed by e-gold, but has plans to pursue fractional reserve banking in the near future. GoldMoney is both 100% gold-backed and does not allow holders to use the currency as the basis for fractional reserve banking. Gold Money gets one star for being 100% gold-backed.] The article did not say anything negative about e-gold or Standard Reserve, it merely gave GoldMoney a star for apparently having the greatest committment to the concept of 100% backed currencies. Readers are free to decide for themselves whether they think it matters or not, as with all of the other criteria that were examined in the article. The goal of the article was to present factual information in a format that would allow readers to evaluate the currencies for their own needs, not to create controversy. Thanks, Ken Griffith www.goldeconomy.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] For Sale in Dallas; Mercedes
Pardon me if this offends as "off-topic", but we are selling our Mercedes and since the proceeds would all be turned into E-Gold in short order, we thought it might be more efficient to simply handle the transaction directly. Besides everybody on the list has lots of class, right? :) 1987 Mercedes 190E. 91K miles. Extraordinary condition. Superb air conditioning. White exterior, burgundy leather interior. Sunroof. Blue Book value is $10+K, but we will sell for $9K of E-Gold. Will pick buyer up from airport, 20 mins away, as necessary. Thanks for your time, Geoff --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Looking for a partner
Hi - my name is Patrik -Isacsson CEO of Net-guide.nu - a site that will be availble on the net soon. We are looking for a partner that can accept Credit cards and fund our customers and members egold accounts. I would like those that are intrested in such a partnership to email me a company profile and reference from your existing customers. We are looking for a LONG TERM relationship Best regards ** Patrik Isacsson Net-Guide.nu Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold
"This is not correct. e-gold Ltd. holds 0 stock in either DigiGold or SR, just as they (still) own 0 bank accounts, and make 0 loans. They just store the gold, period." I stand corrected. Thank you James. But is it not true that GSR owns stock in DigiGold? Ken Griffith --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold
"This is not correct. e-gold Ltd. holds 0 stock in either DigiGold or SR, just as they (still) own 0 bank accounts, and make 0 loans. They just store the gold, period." I stand corrected. Thank you James. But is it not true that GSR owns stock in DigiGold? Ken Griffith Even if they did, why would it matter? GSR is a completely different corporate entity than e-gold ltd. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold - Paypal exchange
Had an idea for a new service market makers could provide... e-gold to Paypal exchange This would mainly be used to pay off auctions where the seller won't e-gold but will accept Paypal. Otherwise, I have to get the e-gold OutExchanged and sent to me. Then, I have to purchase a money order and mail it to the sender. This won't subject the market maker to any level of fraud, because the transaction is going from hard payment to soft payment (on the May scale). The market maker doesn't have to worry about being stung by fradulent payments. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-gold reserve down?
I just noticed on the e-gold examiner that the total reserve is at 43,600. Last month it was up to 46,000. That's a 5% drop. Any guess as to why? Negative publicity from the SS raid on Parker Bradley? HK Protect your privacy! - Get Freedom 2.0 at http://www.freedom.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] OK ..
Which MMs take EZCmoney ?? Who'd the BEST at it? JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: SV: Re: Theft!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Junk wrote: Hi - i am gathering information for the SEC Boo, hiss! M.Y.O. damned B. Reputation damage and account deletion is a good solution to bad guys. Helping the nosy Feds is a very bad solution. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold
Claude Wrote Onthe contrary, James my feeling is that e-gold LTD is very much plain an simple, as it is a recent entity created many years after GSR. The later is more complex because, in the beginning it created e-gold and probably owned in in totality or partially. The fact that GSR operates the e-gold system and also is a market maker makes it even more complicated. I must agree with Claude here. The e-gold governance model may be good but it is not the best. It fails to hold e-gold Ltd. out of risk. GSR is the opperator of the e-gold system, and also its sole bailee (entity that can bail in gold). That being said, we know that GSR is in a competitive market with competition in both the wholesale and retail markets. If GSR was to fail(out of business, bankrupt, etc..) then the e-gold system fails. No other entity would be able to bail in gold so there would be a fixed amount of e-gold in the system, and not only that, no one would be able to access their accounts which would make their "e" version of gold Worthless. Khurram Khan == 2 cents worth? http://two-cents-worth.com/?135153 _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: OK ..
I am setup to take it, but the interface they supply really sucks. So far I have had only one request. Until their software improves nobdy will be "best" at it. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which MMs take EZCmoney ?? Who'd the BEST at it? JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: [e-gold-tech] RE: The V2_HASH
PS Jay you should probably think of mentioning the test utility on the ^^ developer info page and in the docs, it's hard to find. ^^^ a most excellent idea! look for an update. jay w. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Gold Economy Regulation was Re: SV: Re: Theft!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yea this is just what they need. If we can not regulate ourselves then the US Government will get the US Federal Trade Commission to pass an International Law via the World Trade Organization, or the PNTR (Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China) or NAFTA, or GATT or all of them to regulate the gold economy for us to stop the abuse, an International governing body will step in to outlaw then operate the gold economy. In order to stop the abuse and protect the global citizenry. Would not the Federal Reserve just love to eliminate their fear of the future that is already here, namely an uncontrollable knowledge based economy in any way the can? ---MSO --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Internet Ethics?
At 9:38 AM -0400 4/17/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In order to provide an coherent set of principles around which to order
society, libertarianism has to reject natural selection and look to an
outside source of morality, an ethical standard, a god.
Not really ... in fact, exactly the contrary.
By all means, there are a group of laissez-faire, 'libertarian',
'classically liberal' oriented thinkers who are religious -- and good
on them.
However, the basic, central, idea of Ayn Rand's Objectivism or of
Hayek - the raison d'etre - is that you CAN in fact logically and
_rationally_ arrive at a set of "ethics" {ie, which doesn't mean much
other than saying "the correct nature of government among man"} with
NO recourse to irrationalism (God, etc.).
Indeed that's the exact nature of Ayn Rand's Objectivism, and of
Hayekian thought:
Both Hayek and Rand (correctly) notice the obvious derivation from
Man being a rational being (his intellect is what he uses to eat, as
a tiger uses claws), to, as Hayek calls it "several property" or as
Rand calls it - capitalism.
Simply read Rand's masterpiece essay "On the nature of Government" in
_Capitalism, the unknown ideal_, which it would be pointless to type
out here, and can't really be improved on.
The only correct interaction between rational beings (such as men) is
capitalism - that is, "laissez faire" government which protects the
"several property" (Hayek's excellent specific term which encompasses
from one's ownership of one's life itself to items owned) of
individuals, and does nothing else (ie, no concensual crimes, no
social engineering, etc.)
Indeed Hayek's brilliant observation is that the only reason
civilization EXISTS - it is so complex a thing and so amazing that we
are all can eat and are so wealthy - is because of laissez faire
capitalism - ie, the correct interaction amongst rational beings; the
trading instinct and the protection of 'several property' from
prehistory to today.
(Indeed Hayek correctly simply uses the term "civilzation" to MEAN
the correct interaction of rational beings under laissez faire
capitalism and 'libertarian' government.)
So, there are
(a) a group of religious folks, who would belong to the Libertarian
Party in the USA, who believe precisely as David said "libertarianism
has to ... look to an outside source of morality".
(b) Objectivists/Hayekians/Chicago school economists, who would
belong to the Libertarian Party in the USA, who believe what Rand and
Hayek figured out, ie, that you can derive the correct ineraction
between rational beings (ie, capitalism) with NO recourse to an
outside source, to the irrational.
I think FWIW (b) is somewhat more predominant in the actual LP in the
USA. THey are all good people and have great ideas!
Sometimes (a) folks are not "quite" as libertarian, ie, they may
sometimes have conservative views on drug use.
I think (b) is definitely the epistemolgical core of the LP {indeed,
"b" is, really, the basic epistemology of our times; Hayek and Rand
essentially totally won, there are no serious thinkers left who are
statists; an oddity like Keynes has passed through being the devil to
a curiosity to forgotten}
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[e-gold-list] Re: OK ..
gold-today.com takes ezcmoney and I find usually a 24-48 hour turn around. chuck - Original Message - From: Vince Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 11:58 am Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: OK .. I am setup to take it, but the interface they supply really sucks. So far I have had only one request. Until their software improves nobdy will be "best" at it. On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which MMs take EZCmoney ?? Who'd the BEST at it? JP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by telstra.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold
Khurram Khan wrote If GSR was to fail(out of business, bankrupt, etc..) then the e-gold system fails. No other entity would be able to bail in gold Has anybody seriously tried to bail in metal yet? I don't mean asking the wrong people the wrong questions. I mean establishing an account with JP Morgan Chase in London or Transguard in Dubai. Then filling that account with cash. Then sending an order that this money be changed into metal bars in holding. Then sending an order to do an intra-bank transfer of the metal bars into e-gold's holding account. Anybody can deposit money into my bank account, my e-gold account, pay off my bills, or do anything involving the increase of my total wealth. However, nobody should be able to decrease my total wealth without my express consent, or some skill (or luck) in the art of thievery or fraud. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
