[e-gold-list] new improved

[peelpee]

hey-- you gotta love the recently new and improved, even 'shonkier'
e-gold/OSgold/any-old-gold discussion list, eh?

best, 
pp

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[e-gold-list] Re: Another thought on the nature of freedom

[Craig Spencer]

Julian Morrison wrote:
> 
> Craig Spencer wrote:
> >
> > > In that spirit, I understand very well that they need money to support the
> > > Party, but I don't think they need it until 2006. I'm going to send them a
> > > post-dated check--dated 15 April 2006--along with a letter explaining why.
> > >
> > > I encourage others to do the same.
> >
> > Another feature of the "cut" is that it only lasts until 2011 and then
> > the rates return to the present ones.  So perhaps you should make them
> > a loan for the 5 years between 2006 and 2011 instead of a gift.
> >
> > As if, by that time, any of this is really going to happen ...
> 
> As if, by that time, income or savings based taxes will even be an
> option available to them :-)

My, you are optimistic!

CCS

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[e-gold-list] the US tax cut

[jpm]

Re the US "tax" snicker "cut" snicker.

US taxes were 28%.  The Golf War came along and they were raised for 
"emergency" reasons to higher levels, and have gone up since.

We assume that one of these days the Golf War Emergency will be over, 
and the tax rate will be returned to 28%.

Then, they can talk about a tax cut.


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[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.

[jpm]

I suggest the e-gold list is probably NOT the place for a long 
discussion of political matters!

I'm an offender, let us keep it to pithy comments so Jim doesn't have 
to bring down the email list police on us :)



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[e-gold-list] Re: Invest in Rhodium

[jpm]

>Kitco.com says "Invest in Rhodium", because its price may rise:
>
>http://www.kitco.com/charts/rhodium.html
>
>Did e-gold Ltd. ever consider adding this metal to their reserve? (i.e.
>"e-rhodium")
>
>Would anyone of you fund an account with e-rhodium if it were available?
>



That stuff is hard to store!  It comes as a sort of "powder", does it not?

>--
>Alexis Golzman
>Win 400 grams of gold at http://www.GoldenRaffle.com

i entered!


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[e-gold-list] More shonky operators!

[Graham Kelly]

Guys,
If you would like to check out the latest round of shonky operators,
please go to

http://www.goldnow.st/crooksthieves.asp

Cheers!

Graham Kelly CEO
GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St
Fax +1(312)777-4270 or +1(509)278-2268
UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612
USA Phone +1(817)230-2523 or cellphone +1(817)266-1678

If you would like a free e-gold, Standard Reserve, or OSGOLD account,
please apply at my site!



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[e-gold-list] Re: Another thought on the nature of freedom

[Julian Morrison]

Craig Spencer wrote:
> 
> > In that spirit, I understand very well that they need money to support the
> > Party, but I don't think they need it until 2006. I'm going to send them a
> > post-dated check--dated 15 April 2006--along with a letter explaining why.
> >
> > I encourage others to do the same.
> 
> Another feature of the "cut" is that it only lasts until 2011 and then
> the rates return to the present ones.  So perhaps you should make them
> a loan for the 5 years between 2006 and 2011 instead of a gift.
> 
> As if, by that time, any of this is really going to happen ...

As if, by that time, income or savings based taxes will even be an
option available to them :-)

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[e-gold-list] Re: Another thought on the nature of freedom

[Craig Spencer]

> In that spirit, I understand very well that they need money to support the
> Party, but I don't think they need it until 2006. I'm going to send them a
> post-dated check--dated 15 April 2006--along with a letter explaining why.
> 
> I encourage others to do the same.

Another feature of the "cut" is that it only lasts until 2011 and then
the rates return to the present ones.  So perhaps you should make them
a loan for the 5 years between 2006 and 2011 instead of a gift.

As if, by that time, any of this is really going to happen ...

CCS

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[e-gold-list] Issuance Server status report

[Bob]

Subject: 
Fwd: [Webfunds-users] Issuance Server status report (problems
fixed).
  Date: 
Sat, 9 Jun 2001 17:22:53 -0400
  From: 
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Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2001 12:21:05 -0400
From: "Jeroen C. van Gelderen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [Webfunds-users] Issuance Server status report (problems
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L.S.

Attentive users will have noticed that the new issuance
server in the US of A has had hickups over the past couple
of days.

Having got back from my European adventures I have had a
look at the problem that caused the Digi* and the other
commercial issues to not work.

It turns out that the Linux networking did not play well
with the Systemics Issuance Server software and solving
that particular problem involved digging in the Linux source
code to find out what was wrong. Open Source software indeed
has it's advantages!

The good news is that I've put in place a bandaid solution
that should allow the server to function for the time being
albeit not optimally.

A more permanent and reliable solution would be to move the
servers back to our trusty FreeBSD operating system running
on hardware in Anguilla.

The bad news is that if we move the server to Anguilla now
we will not be allowed to move it out again by injunction of
the court of Anguilla.

This of course would severely limit Systemics' operational
capabilities as any major connectivity problems here in
Anguilla could not be effectively addressed.

The worst news however is yet to come... :

We have to anticipate that the e-gold litigants will attempt
to seize the server as:
- they have made claims to Systemics intellectual property,
- the injunction clearly states that the server is not to
   leave the 25-by-6 mile rock known as Anguilla.

This puts us in a situation where we are forced to separate
the Digigold currencies (AGG, AUG, PDG and PTG) from the
other commercial issuances in order to protect the interests
of Systemics' paying customers.

At this stage our distinguished team of Financial Cryptography
engineers are working around the clock to come up with a
solution (if you didn't get that, it means we don't have a clue
as to how to attack this problem just yet).

More to follow.

Cheers,
Jeroen

PS. This is more fun than playing Freecell (or Minesweeper, for
 the less adventurous minds among us) :-)

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   upon the support of Paul."  --  George Bernard Shaw



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[e-gold-list] Another thought on the nature of freedom

[Samuel Mc Kee]

I recently got a letter from the Republican Party asking me to give them
money, since I should be so greatful for the, u, "giant" tax cut they've
just enacted, and a thought occured to me.

Hardly any of the tax cut is happening this year, the cut being "phased in"
gradually, with the actual relief coming in year 2006. The GOP loves to mewl
about how I deserve to keep more of my money, and how I need it to feed my
family, which is in fact true, but they don't think I need to feed my family
this year, nor in any year before 2006.

In that spirit, I understand very well that they need money to support the
Party, but I don't think they need it until 2006. I'm going to send them a
post-dated check--dated 15 April 2006--along with a letter explaining why.

I encourage others to do the same.



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[e-gold-list] MetalSavings Website Question

[brooksd]

  I'm having difficulty accessing some of the pages on the MetalSavings
website.  Using IE 5.5 w/128bit security, I am unable to read the pages on
'News About Metalsavings' and 'Questions about Metalsavings'.   I get an
error message similar to this:

"You don't have permission to access /ms3/news.asp on this server."

I can access my account, without any problems.

  Has anyone else had this problem?  Any suggested fixes?
Thanks
Dave

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[e-gold-list] Re: US bank fees on international transfers

[C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc.]

On 9 Jun 2001, at 4:29, Graham Kelly wrote:

> Well, guys, I've discovered that most US banks "extract" $10 USD for
> an incoming wire...

I noticed that as well. Canadian Banks do same but on occasions. 
I think that it depends either on the amount of the wire or the 
presence or not of a corresponfong bank. One thing is sure, if have 
yet to obtain a clear explanation for this fee.



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[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.

[Bob]

Craig Spencer wrote:

> Increasing the politicians have been trying to prevent this.  There are
> now exit taxes and other punitive measures to try to prevent people from
> leaving.  Remember when this sort of thing was condemned when it was
> done by the USSR?

Now that you mention it, ain't that something!

What's next? A wall around the US? Should put the Great Wall of
China to shame, let alone the Berlin Wall.

Bob
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[e-gold-list] Re: Invest in Rhodium

[James M. Ray]

At 01:14 AM -0400 06/09/2001, Alexis Golzman wrote:
>Kitco.com says "Invest in Rhodium", because its price may rise:
>
>http://www.kitco.com/charts/rhodium.html
>
>Did e-gold Ltd. ever consider adding this metal to their reserve? (i.e.
>"e-rhodium")
...


I don't believe they ever did, for a couple of reasons. Rhodium is
VERY volatile in price, even compared to Pd. Also, humanity has
never (AFAIK!) used rhodium in any coin as money. It's just an
industrial commodity, and if you want to invest in it Kitco seems
to be the way to go. Good luck! 
JMR


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[e-gold-list] Why can't they ALL be this easy?

[James M. Ray]

I was reading the Wall Street Journal the other day, and I saw an article
about what looked like a good cause. I figured it was worth a short email.
Here's a description of what they do:

  The Rosetta Project is a global collaboration of language
 specialists and native speakers working to develop a
 contemporary version of the historic Rosetta Stone. In this
 updated iteration, our goal is a meaningful survey and near
 permanent archive of 1,000 languages. Our intention is to create
 a unique platform for comparative linguistic research and
 education as well as a functional linguistic tool that might help
 in the recovery of lost languages in unknown futures. 

It takes $100 to sponsor a language (the Ninth Amendment Foundation
just did!) and they're selling their version of the Rosetta Stone, which is
described more fully at http://www.rosettaproject.org:8080/live/donations 
and in the links below. They haven't updated the page to mention e-gold
yet, but I'm sure they will. The nicest part of the e-mail is that they "get"
the fact that e-gold works all over the world, and from the looks of things
they've tried already to pay far-away people with other methods... If you

look at his message, you'll see that he plans to USE e-gold, rather than
just take donations.

I know that there have been a lot of (worthy!) charity appeals on the list
lately, but I'd encourage those who feel they can to sponsor a language
for a hundred bucks worth of e-gold. I dearly love English, and I stink at
learning other languages, but IMO diversity of language is a good thing.
I hope that some of you will agree. Thanks, and please contact them if
you donate so they'll know you did.
JMR



...
Subject: RE: I'd like to donate, but
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:11:18 -0700
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal


>
> I'd like to donate using e-gold, my currency I sell. e-gold charges
> lower fees than credit cards, and has other advantages, and I think
> I could get others to sponsor languages as well. Please try a (free)
> account and let me show you a spend. You can turn e-gold grams
> into dollars at http://use.omnipay.net if you like, or use them on the
> web for all sorts of fun stuff. Thanks.
> JMR
>
> BTW, I saw you in the Journal today, so I assume you're swamped
> with e-mail now!
>



Yes, I am swamped, thus the delay.  Thank you for your offer of support, and
your very interesting online currency.  I had never heard of it, but think
it a wonderful idea.

We have created an e-gold account for the Long Now Foundation.  The number
is: 320950.  We can also accept donations in gold and securities.  As we are
paying many text collectors online, your e-gold currency may be the way to
do it, and also get you some publicity in exchange for supporting the
project.  Let's talk more.

I would of course be grateful for any others you might get to sponsor
languages.  That would be an immense help.  I have also copied below the
usual message I send to people who want disks, which there have been lots of
this week.

Thanks again James,

Jim Mason
Director, Rosetta Project



Thank you for your interest in acquiring and caring for a Rosetta Disk.  We
have been a little shocked by the number of people who have contacted us to
purchase one.  Clearly we have hit a nerve here . . . ;-)

As we are currently gathering the content for the disk, we do not have a
completed version to sell.  However, we are offering prototype versions for
donations of $1,000 and above to our foundation which will help support
collection efforts.  The prototype disk includes all texts in the Rosetta
database as of April 15, 02001, plus general information on the Rosetta
Project and Long Now Foundation. The disk will have around 7,000 text pages,
including 928 Genesis translations and some of our early linguistic
descriptions. The disk is formatted in a grid pattern of text pages
micro-etched in nickel.  You can see the design at:
http://epoch.longnow.org/share/longnow/Rosetta/RosettaProtoDisk.gif.  The
delivery date is mid summer 2001.

We are also pre-selling a limited edition run of the completed Rosetta Disk
and Container, version 1.0.  We are only creating 25 of this 1.0 version,
and they are available to individuals and organizations for donations of
$25,000 and above.  Proceeds will support our global collection efforts to
complete the 1,000 language archive. The delivery date is the summer of
2003.  You can see the disk and container design at:
http://www.rosettaproject.org:8080/live/concept and
http://www.rosettaproject.org:8080/live/design

Eventually we will be offering the 1,000 language archive in a variety of
media (nickel disk in sphere container, single volume book, CD-ROM, etc)
with prices starting somewhere in the 100's of US dollars.  As of now, we
can't commit to specific price points as we are still developing the various
desi

[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 8:55 AM -0400 on 6/9/01, Craig Spencer wrote:


> Why do you think that the state of the world is that there is a trade
> off between freedom and wealth?There is little freedom and there is
> comparative wealth but that does not mean that there is an either/or
> connection between the two.

In fact, wealth, as we know it in the west, *requires* individual freedom.

See Mancur Olson's "Power and Prosperity".

Marvellous book. I recommend it highly.

Cheers,
RAH


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[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.

[Craig Spencer]

Bob wrote:
> Usually people give up degrees of freedom to the politicians and 
> bureaubrats when they are promised/given stolen wealth.

Perhaps that IS what Tristan means!
 
> At some point the wealth creators start leaving the legal jurisdiction. 

Increasing the politicians have been trying to prevent this.  There are
now exit taxes and other punitive measures to try to prevent people from
leaving.  Remember when this sort of thing was condemned when it was
done by the USSR?

CCS

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[e-gold-list] Re: America, no longer the land of the free.

[Craig Spencer]

Tristan,

> >Yet for some reason that escapes me you still seem to think there is
> >some sort of trade off between freedom and wealth.
> 
> There is, with the current state of the world. 

Why do you think that the state of the world is that there is a trade 
off between freedom and wealth?There is little freedom and there is
comparative wealth but that does not mean that there is an either/or
connection between the two.

> Do you have a slave number where ever you are in the world? Do you pay 
> taxes, etc? Are there license plates on your car(s)? All of this 
> bullshit is not what I consider freedom.

Nor I.  But that has nothing to do with a trade off between freedom and
wealth.
 
> >> Rather, I mean to say, if the average Joe has a
> >> choice between his principles (staying unwealthy because he will not give
> >> us his freedom) or wealth (ahh, it's just a little freedom to sacrifice,
> >> that's all), he will invariable choose to have more wealth at the expense
> >> of his freedom.
> >
> >It is just the opposite: freedom and wealth go together.  Giving up
> >freedom leads to poverty not wealth.
> 
> Please quote me where I said giving up freedom leads to poverty.

No, that is what I said.  You said the opposite: "the average Joe has a 
choice between ... giv[ing] up his freedom or wealth".

> Indeed, freedom will bring much greater wealth. 

Yes.  That contradicts what you said.

> However, given a choice between freedom and wealth, the average person 
> will choose wealth. 

Again, I agree.

What I don't agree with is the idea that such a choice is necessary,
that
there is a trade off between the two.

> P.S. Please stop hitting "reply to all" button, or whatever the
> equivalent is on your machine. I am subscribed to the list. I don't need
> to receive more than one of the same message, please.

Thanks for the suggestion.  The reason I have been doing so is that that
seems to be the only way to reply to the list address on the to line. 
Any
suggestions?

Best,

CCS

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[e-gold-list] Re: US bank fees on international transfers

[Frank Zuchristian]

Good morning Graham,

How is Texas treating you, or are you on the road
again?

Just to let you know, the Dutch banks have learned
this also.  In about half the inbound transfers I
receive a charge of about $6.50 give or take on USD
value.

Ocassionally, they really sock it to me on the
outboound side, a normal transfer of $500 to NZ costs
me about $17.

My favorite, remains the Postbank, where it takes 4
days to move funds from one side of town to the other,
unless I pay an extra equiv. $6.50, and then it's
there in a couple of hours.  There are days that I
think I am in business to make the banks rich.

I am glad to see that eCTA is moving forward, my
paperwork is in the mail.  I urge those who have not
yet joined to do so, their experience and input is
invaluable to the organization. Together we can make a
difference.  I will proudly display the symbol along
with my KvK (Dutch Chamber of Commerce) registration
to let everyone know.

Frank 
Euro Gold Line
http://www.eurogoldline.nl
tel:  +31-26-844-0113
fax:  +31-26-844-0342
--- Graham Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, guys, I've discovered that most US banks
> "extract" $10 USD for
> an incoming wire...
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Graham Kelly CEO
> GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St
> Fax +1(312)777-4270 or +1(509)278-2268
> UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612
> USA Phone +1(817)230-2523 or cellphone
> +1(817)266-1678
> 

> If you would like a free e-gold, Standard Reserve,
> or OSGOLD account,
> please apply at my site!
> 
> 
> 
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > No shit.  Just this minute I got in the mail box
> the note from the
> > 
> > Commonwealth Bank that you get when you get a
> wire.
> > 
> > F*s took $5 for themselves!
> > 
> > 
> > >I can't believe how expensive and deceptive  NZ
> and Australian banks
> > are in
> > >making international transfers.  I needed to send
> my brother NZ$1
> > 000 and
> > >shopped around for the methods: A$26 for a
> telegraphic transfer, A$28
> > to
> > >post my debit card (2 days). I chose the TT,
> which required me to
> > visit the
> > >branch. Now my brother tells me he got only
> NZ$980! Yes the delivery
> > boys in
> > >the process opened my package and helped
> themselves to another NZ$20!
> > >Westpac Banking Corporation Limited Australia
> failed to inform me
> > of the
> > >extra fee and mislead me that the charge would be
> A$26. When I called
> > them
> > >to ask about it the consultant said she could
> tell me nothing about
> > it and
> > >that it was not Westpac's fee. Not only slow and
> limited, deceptive
> > and
> > >misleading too.
> > >
> > >David Hillary
> > >Sydney, Australia
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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> > 
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[e-gold-list] Re: nature of freedom / wealth / technology

[Dale Pond]

Ken Griffith wrote:
> 
>  The politicians and
> school systems have sold them on the idea that security = wealth.  That is
> the lie.
> 
Actually, they have been taught to be afraid and that to acquire seeming
security comes at specific costs. They've been further conditioned to believe
that accumulating Fed notes or their equivalent (privileges of use) equals
wealth, which of course is not true. Wealth is unencumbered sovreign dominion
over property which does not exist but in theory nowadays.

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[e-gold-list] US bank fees on international transfers

[Graham Kelly]

Well, guys, I've discovered that most US banks "extract" $10 USD for
an incoming wire...

Cheers!

Graham Kelly CEO
GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St
Fax +1(312)777-4270 or +1(509)278-2268
UK Phone/Fax +44 (0)709-233-7612
USA Phone +1(817)230-2523 or cellphone +1(817)266-1678

If you would like a free e-gold, Standard Reserve, or OSGOLD account,
please apply at my site!



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> No shit.  Just this minute I got in the mail box the note from the
> 
> Commonwealth Bank that you get when you get a wire.
> 
> F*s took $5 for themselves!
> 
> 
> >I can't believe how expensive and deceptive  NZ and Australian banks
> are in
> >making international transfers.  I needed to send my brother NZ$1
> 000 and
> >shopped around for the methods: A$26 for a telegraphic transfer, A$28
> to
> >post my debit card (2 days). I chose the TT, which required me to
> visit the
> >branch. Now my brother tells me he got only NZ$980! Yes the delivery
> boys in
> >the process opened my package and helped themselves to another NZ$20!
> >Westpac Banking Corporation Limited Australia failed to inform me
> of the
> >extra fee and mislead me that the charge would be A$26. When I called
> them
> >to ask about it the consultant said she could tell me nothing about
> it and
> >that it was not Westpac's fee. Not only slow and limited, deceptive
> and
> >misleading too.
> >
> >David Hillary
> >Sydney, Australia
> 
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[e-gold-list] Re: Australian Banks (rant)

[Samuel Mc Kee]

> Before complaining about a developed country like Australia, you should
> come to know Argentina, where the torturers and murderers of the last
> military government are still free.

Or try Chad. Ick. I spent a year there and saw things that still curl my
hair. People die like flies over there, typically from diseases they get
from drinking the water. There's plenty of money to build modern sewage
systems, but every last franc of it goes directly into the politicians'
offshore bank accounts or into the local chiefs' pockets. People are dying,
and their leaders don't give a good god damn.

But don't let that deter anyone from speaking out against the outrages
occuring in Australia, the U.S. or anywhere else. To rationalize that a
great outrage here is acceptable because there are far greater outrages
elsewhere is to fall into the two-wrongs-make-a-right trap.



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[e-gold-list] RE: nature of freedom / wealth / technology

[Samuel Mc Kee]

>
> >> The key word here is "willing". If technology produces
> convenience at the
> >> expense of liberty, then the average joe is *willing* to sacrifice a
> >> little liberty for a little convenience.
> >
>
> the two things are mutually exclusive and not related.
>
> Technology, ie human invention, never "reduces liberty".

Correct.

Just this evening my wife and I were discussing a program the local grocery
store has, where they give you a "discount card" that they use to monitor
your spending habits. Actually they mark up prices on certain items
outrageously, and if you have the "discount" card you pay the normal price
and may, if you so choose, suffer the illusion that you have "saved" all
kinds of dough.

What this really means is that they've found a much cheaper and effective
way to do comprehensive market research. The cost of that research is passed
on to consumers _anyway_; they've just found a better way. Now they can sell
me a loaf of bread cheaper because they don't have the expense of trying to
figure out the hard (and expensive) way if stocking ostrich kidneys in the
deli section would be a good idea.

Now does this technology reduce freedom? No. It gives me the _choice_ to
sign up for the card. If I'm not worried that they'll monitor how much beer
and fried food I buy and sell that information to my insurance company,
that's my choice. Even if I am worried, I can just pay cash for those things
and not use my card. Technology has _increased_ my freedom by making the
market more efficient/productive.



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[e-gold-list] Re: FAKE gold bars!!

[Julian Morrison]

Luc Van den Borre wrote:
> 
> | I'm sure you could test for this with a "seismic" approach - sound
> 
> Or just hit it with a (small) hammer - I bet tungsten will sound different from
> gold.
> And you could test the electrical conductivity. This is done in arcade machines
> (coin drops past a magnet).

Poking it with a pointy stick would work too in scraping past any gold
plating, although it would leave annoying marks all over your gold bar.

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[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold->UK exchange?

[Frank Zuchristian]

Good morning Rachel Willmer,

Euro Gold Line can assist to a degree, unfortunately,
we just had to raise our limit on the FREE transfers
on cashing in e-gold.  However, I think that you will
find our rates better than the average.

A normal bank transfer, we will deduct $15 (it cost us
more) and for same day service add $10 in other words
$25.  We review this periodically and make adjustments
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Each transaction is important to us and we have sent
as little as 63GBP to a client in the UK, from which
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We hope later this year to be able to eliminate the
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Thank you for considering Euro Gold Line, we hope that
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