[e-gold-list] Them and us
I've got to try to get this message across because you, on this list, above most might understand and many are missing it. They are a group of families hundreds of years old. We are the little folk getting blown to bits all over the globe. They control and profit from our money all over the globe now. They orchestrated an attack on us Tuesday morning and had a dozen of us fly the attack planes into buildings full of us. They will next try to get us to kill a bunch more of us probably somewhere in the middle east because they want to be rid of us to inherit the planet for themselves. Some of us have gathered here to respond to another of their tactics, a dishonest money system, to try to create an honest one. That played no roll in hurrying this rush to a soon-to-be war, their sick money about to collapse is the reason. We fall into their trap when we think we were attacked by someone else (or some other country) and then set of to kill more of us somewhere else. We have been killed like this for a long time all over the globe, in Palestine, Iraq, and most of Africa. The shock is now many of us have been killed in the U.S. This, like Pearl Harbor, is meant to shock us into the trap. An honest money system, one that holds no profit for them is one of the proper forms of retaliation (and costs no lives), but if we really want to defeat the enemy we must first recognize who they are and then simply stop supporting them. No more killing is the answer. Without our support they will go broke and have to provide values like the rest of us (become part of us). Without our' killing each other they will likely do business with us, no matter, we'll still be alive and doing business with each other. Yes, using our own (or any honest) money is key. The U.S. has committed atrocities all over as has been said here, but I am in the U.S. and I didn't. The U.S. may even deserve to be attacked but I don't... and neither did those of us in the WTC and Pentagon. So let us continue the proper response of an honest money system and moreover, recognition of just who we are and they are. Anyone who thinks they are not in high positions in the U.S. tell me how our defences were totally absent (zip, zero, nada) for over an hour while AF1 and several fighter jets headed west. THAT wass a major maneuver! Now it's our turn - don't fall into the trap! Unity Dan --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Moderator message again.
Folks, it's time to stop the political messages, please. I may personally disagree or agree with what you say, but this isn't the forum to say it. If you want a forum where you can say anything, look around for how to sign up for the full, unfiltered cypherpunks list, and go do it. Have fun! JMR (Prescribing a drink from the fire-hose...) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: against rationalism
The ironic thing here is that those buildings were most likely filled many Moslems from all areas of the world. I suspect more Moslems died from those two planes than have died in the last year at the hands of the hated Israelis. Very Sad. I can't think of a part of the world that is more international than downtown NYC. I mean, it's called the world trade center for a reason. My guess would be that 25% of the people dead have nothing to do with America, they would be citizens of other countries. Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: against rationalism
Thank God I have a place in Belize. With people like you running the US we are doomed to all die painful deaths at the hands of barbarians. But maybe you are right: Can't we all just get along. Just keep repeating it and you will undoubtedly feel better. PS: What is all this stuff about NUKES? We are dealing with terrorists and few oddball countries. Who are we going to NUKE??? There are 1.5 billion people living in Islamic countries. I reject your thesis that they are all irrational. There are plausible theories why they might hate America, such as the support of nondemocratic regimes to extract oil. Leave me out of your wars. I cannot afford them and will work with great dedication on political resistance to warmaking efforts inside the United States. Your war will fail to gather enough support and money inside the United States, and your soldiers will die in misery on the battlefields. God willing the nukes will not hit the US shores. Glencannon Group Ltd. http://www.glencannongroup.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for a more secure email) fax: 419-710-4339 _*_*_*_*_ If you found the contents of this email useful to you, and you have an e-gold account, please feel free to follow this link: http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?107685[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Wireless access
What wireless access options to e-gold and its MM are available for U.S. transactors? steve --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] postal service?
Market makers in the US - is postal service even working? I assume FedEx is totally shut down? Can I still have a money order sent by express post within the USA? Unbelievable ... I'm in holiday in Australia and I just heard the media here saying about 80 *AUSSIES* are probably dead, for god's sake. As many as 500-1000 Britons, I hear on BBC. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: Wireless access
At 02:21 PM -0700 09/13/2001, Steve Schear wrote: What wireless access options to e-gold and its MM are available for U.S. transactors? Hi Steve. http://pcs.e-gold.com/demo.html shows a nice animated gif of what a spend done by a wireless phone at pcs.e-gold.com looks like. Phone spends are pretty easy once you've entered (and bookmarked, the telcos NEVER give you useful URLs like pcs.e-gold.com!) the URL. I think entering mobile.e-gold.com also works. If you are Ian Goldberg and ported the Palm to SSL anyway yourself, you can also make Palm-Pilot spends work (I don't own a palm, and I have only been on the receiving end of a spend from one). If you're not Ian Goldberg, I'm not sure it works all that easily on a Palm... JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: postal service?
At 07:54 AM 9/14/2001 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Market makers in the US - is postal service even working? I assume FedEx is totally shut down? I spoke with one of their employees yesterday. They are essentially on furlough until their ground fleet is flying again. Can I still have a money order sent by express post within the USA? You can, but don't expect Express service. According to my local carriers, all postal mail is being distributed via train (Amtrac) and truck. steve --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] relief fund that can take dollar cheques?
I got an unexpected US$ check today for a couple of hundred dollars, which being UK-based, isn't easy for me to cash. So, this might sound like a dumb foreigner question, but since trying to cash such an amount into GBP would usually cost large amounts of dosh, I figure if I could send that directly to a Red Cross relief fund for the NY victims, it would be a better use. But I can't work out how/where to do it. I've tried searching on the web but can't work out where/how to send it. Can someone here give me a pointer? private emails welcome... thanks Rachel PS yes I know this is off-topic Jim, but I don't know a better place to get a helpful response :) so please forgive me... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: relief fund that can take dollar cheques?
At 01:10 AM +0100 09/14/2001, Rachel Willmer wrote: ... PS yes I know this is off-topic Jim, but I don't know a better place to get a helpful response :) so please forgive me... Rachel, since you're trying to help, all's quite ok with me. :) I can personally try to send your chec(k/que) to the Red Cross if you'll first endorse it over to them on the back and sign it so that they believe it's you, hopefully. I'm at: James M. Ray 2117 S. Babcock St. #101 Melbourne, FL 32901-5303 On a somewhat chilling, but gold-related tangent: http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010913/n1380_1.html I hope that everyone uses Freedomhound to help the victims, I'm sure there's also a Yahoo Paydirect way now, too, so use that one as well. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: against rationalism
At 04:43 PM 9/12/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Essentially half the world missed out on the Enlightenment Death to all tribailists -- save us the nuisance by slaughtering them now. Oh JP... I wonder if you said the same thing when the building in Oklahoma city was bombed, I wonder if you said Death to all white people? I wonder if you said the same thing the day a country killed millions of civilians in one day, think hiroshima and nagasaki. I understand that there may be emotions and tempers flaring at this time, but please think before you speak. People of Isreal consider themselves a tribe, and so do the omish people, death to them also? Khurram Khan == 2 cents worth? http://two-cents-worth.com/?135153 _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you know that you can spend e-gold to help the victims of terror at: http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=RenderID=443149Data=1292
[e-gold-list] Re: against rationalism (mind Jim's warning!)
Khurram, Jim has asked us to NOT make any more general discussion on
this list, as e-gold does not want this to be a popular and well-used
list. It's their list - let's respect whatever Jim asks for. I will
briefly answer you and then have an IMPORTANT COMMERCE E.R.E.
annoucement! I suggest you or anyone does not reply to me on the
list, for poor Jim's blood pressure.
Essentially half the world missed out on the Enlightenment
Death to all tribailists -- save us the nuisance by slaughtering them now.
Oh JP... I wonder if you said the same thing when the building in
Oklahoma city was bombed, I wonder if you said Death to all white
people? I wonder if you said the same thing the day a country
killed millions of civilians in one day, think hiroshima and
nagasaki.
{Regarding the former, I loathe the BATF and wish they had all been
burned to death at OK City. Regarding the latter, you are utterly
off the mark. About 60 thousand were killed at Nagasaki, and 120
thousand at Hiroshima. Example
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/abomb/mp10.htm . THE DEATH TOLL AT
THE WTC WAS ESTIMATED AT A POSSIBLE 30 THOUSAND LAST NIGHT. The
weapon used at the WTC *was* a weapon of mass destruction (a
WMD)...MORE POWERFUL than many small nukes. FAR MORE PEOPLE would
have been killed than at Nagasaki, if the buildings had tumbled
immediately. Regarding WW2, there were any number of devices and
military events that killed tremendously more people than the nukes
-- carpet bombing in Dresden utterly dwarfed Hiroshima/Nagasaki, as
for that matter did Fire bombing of Tokyo. Regarding the Japanese in
WW2, they were the bad guys, along with the Germans. Japan should
have been bombed constantly until they surrendered, which they did;
what was the alternative, kill millions on each side in a ground war?
I am not a pacifist; entities that INITTIATE physical force against
other entities should be decimated. If you are a pacifist, ie, you
believe that when an entity INITIATES physical force against another,
that entity should not be retaliated against, there's nothing we can
discuss--it's a fundemental epistemological difference.}
{On a lighter note, my usual comment to Pacifists is I hope you get
killed, then! :-) }
I understand that there may be emotions and tempers flaring at this
time, but please think before you speak.
Regarding your question Khurram, I think you're not clear how I'm
using the word tribalist .. I use it as Ayn Rand would. A
tribalist is just an anti-capitalist, an anti-individualist, a
statist. A sacrificer. I urge you to re-read my post, and I urge
you to read everything in http://chaostan.com.
By all means I am a big critic of the US Gov. That does not mean
that the US Gov's air force is not a fabulous instrument to reign
total destruction on the anti-capitalists who did this, and anyone
near them.
Sure, it would be better if some capitalists in the USA got together
and paid hard cash, or gold, for nuclear weapons and did it
themselves, but the USAF is fine by me. GO USAF.
The WTC attacks were WMDs, the response should be WMDs.
People of Isreal consider themselves a tribe, and so do the omish
people, death to them also?
Khurram Khan
*end of Jim irritation!*
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