[e-gold-list] Re: Interesting Discovery
Gisp, Try using http://www.domainwhitepages.com for searching! Lourens == Find businesses and have your business found: http://www.brabys.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ragnar wrote: --- Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not think it is safe and sustainable to engage in a little socialism. I would prefer none. But that option is not available to us. Our choices are between less and more. A well-known (if not often emulated) Patrick in U.S. history found, in his wisdom and moral fortitude, a third choice... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! Very well said, Ragnar. As I drove to City Hall yesterday to enquire about watering bans on private wells, I contemplated how continued resistance to even such a silly little regulation as that could lead ultimately to my own death if pursued to its logical extreme. The same ultimate penalty of death could also await those who resist paying taxes, grow and sell bootleg peanuts, sell a sawed-off shotgun, or establish a truly independent church community. As I contemplated each possible petty regulation of government and the possibility of resisting it unto death, a simple question popped into mind: Is this the hill you want to die on? And that is the problem with modern tyranny: it pushes us in so many different ways, and it seems that no single one is ever worth resisting unto death. There never seems to be a hill worth dying on. However, the early Americans resisted with their lives and livelihood things that would seem mild by today's standards. They would stake their lives resisting the Stamp Act or a Whiskey Tax, which were tiny compared to today's income or sales taxes. One reason Americans do not resist today is that they suffer from moral cowardice combined with poor education and pervasive propaganda. But there is another reason. Even those of us who fancy ourselves fairly courageous, educated, and skeptical of propaganda know one important fact. Quite simply, we are outnumbered and outgunned. Continued resistance to any one minor aspect of tyranny will earn you ostracism, impoverishment, and then death. So as you think through each modern abuse of power and infringement of liberty, ask yourself, is this the hill I want to die on? Perhaps all this talk of resistance unto death is completely unnecessary, the situation is not as hopeless as we think, and there are opportunities for peaceful reform. I tend to think not. As George Bernard Shaw, an avowed socialist, once said: A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul. In my opinion Shaw's formulation does not go far enough because in reality the ratio is more like two to one. So I would say A government which robs Peter to pay Paul and Mary can always count on the support of Paul and Mary. The natural outcome of this democracy is the scenario described in Atlas Shrugged, an agonizingly slow descent to the point where Peter no longer can or will support the government and its clients Paul and Mary. In my opinion this kind of total collapse is coming but not soon. It takes a long time to push millions of productive people to the point of collapse. They will continue to work, and each hour they work will yield more funds for the government which oppresses them. Various diversions and forms of entertainment will keep them reasonably happy for a while. I know it sounds dismal, but personally I reject despair because for me it demonstrates a collapse of reason, a lack of trust in the good people around me, and above all a lack of faith in God's guidance and wisdom. Ayn Rand would shiver in revulsion to hear me say that, but that's just tough for her. So personally I don't think a solution exists. Maybe, just maybe, there's enough support for a Free State, but I don't know. Home schooling will keep civilization alive in the hearts of millions. Perhaps instead of resisting unto death, there can be a strategy of thousands of people resisting just to the point of pain, swamping the government with obnoxious annoyance and passive resistance. Perhaps a combination of all the little things will yield unexpected results. After all, all we really need is for several thousand civil servants and soldiers to just stop what they're doing. That's not asking too much, is it? - -- Patrick -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBPVTcwFA7g7bodUwLEQI42QCfQJTzdX81vr2s4m8Zp/hAWcpDFz0AoISW IVcjDk7AWnDt7fmX7++YBHVt =m8EW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold andStefan/TGC
Shalom, Hopefully, this can be done via empowering technology rather than outright revolution. Internet voting, IMHO, will bring true democracy rather than a representatives democracy. Arik Schenkler - CEO Use Internet Dollar electronic money for anonymity, finalization of deal and fee free funds movements from peer to peer - http://InternetDollar.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] InternetALERT Development Software
Download to protect from unauthorized computers access. - Forgot to Shut-Down the Computers - Computers still Log-In to Server when Exchange Service is closed - Unknow employee who are unauthorizated access to server, break-in - Dirty Work Employee when boss is not in office. - Computer Attack can report to InternetALERT 24Hrs/7 days a week Operators. - Governments/Security Service Companies can stay crimes away from computers. To protect all computers from Attacking. Install InternetALERT Software, Pay $45.00 for one year InternetALERT Service. www.ncf.ca/~em276/internetalert.html --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: [dgc.chat] Re: Question???
I think your new policy http://www.goldmoney.com/en/cap.html is much better than the previous one where every account holder was required to mail ID. It seems relatively easy to comply with and does not overly inconvenience people who only want to carry out small transactions. Wow, does this policy apply now? Is there a grandfather clause? What if I have to remove more than 50gg Next Week? Craig (Snowdog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Valis?
Hi, Anybody has done business with this company , which accepts e-gold? http://www.valisinternational.com/default.html Or any other place where I can open a US bank account , without leaving Europe? Thanks Danny --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
Danny Van den Berghe wrote: Hi, Anybody has done business with this company , which accepts e-gold? http://www.valisinternational.com/default.html ... I had never heard of them, so I surfed all over their site, and found no mention of e-gold. They appear to be a seller of credit card merchant accounts, instead (or else I'm just missing something!). I have no idea how you'd get a US bank account without being in the US, but I know very little about banks, so there may be a way to do it. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
Anybody has done business with this company , which accepts e-gold? http://www.valisinternational.com/default.html ... I had never heard of them, so I surfed all over their site, and found no mention of e-gold. They appear to be a seller of credit card merchant accounts, instead (or else I'm just missing something!). I have no idea how you'd get a US bank account without being in the US, but I know very little about banks, so there may be a way to do it. Hi James, They don't mention or advertise e-gold directly , but it is among their payments options. Just click here: http://www.valisinternational.com/order/personal/default.html And scroll down until you see 'preferred payment method' They seem to offer US accounts for foreigners, quite specifically advertised to withdraw money from a Paypal account, which is a problem for non-US residents. All the best, Danny --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold and Stefan/TGC
At 10:49 AM 9/08/2002 -0400, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: Eventually, federal laws will govern even the tomatoes grown in your own back yard. You will pay an imputed value tax on them. Eventually, states will take over the water supply and socialize it, imposing watering bans to avoid shortages. Oh wait, that's already happened. One day some monopoly local water authorities will even bill farmers for rain that falls on their own land! Oh wait, that already happened too!! (An outrage that is beginning to happen in some Australian states, although not as heinous as the villainous acts of Robert Mugabe against the farmers of Zimbabwe - and against those who need to eat in Zimbabwe!) Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242EG www.107242.clicktwocents.com http://two-cents-worth.com/?501925cGM e-gold estas monda mono! [Esperanto] e-gold is world money! [English] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
Danny Van den Berghe wrote: ... They don't mention or advertise e-gold directly , but it is among their payments options. Just click here: http://www.valisinternational.com/order/personal/default.html And scroll down until you see 'preferred payment method' ... Well, I still saw nothing about e-gold, and I'm not motivated to either give them a bunch of my information (or enter fake info) just to see, but if you say they take it I'll believe you. I am not sure if I'd do business with them, without knowing a lot more, though. Good luck. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
J, Yep, it is there! they charge 5% extra for accepting e-gold as payment... And scroll down until you see 'preferred payment method' Lourens == Find businesses and have your business found: http://www.brabys.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
Someone had better send them a subscription to Clue magazine! It's cheaper than CC to accept e-gold and they want an extra five percent? Ian Green http://www.107242.clicktwocents.com/ e-gold, e-silver, e-platinum, e-palladium Elemental, my dear Watson! At 05:27 PM 10/08/2002 +0200, Lourens Human wrote: J, Yep, it is there! they charge 5% extra for accepting e-gold as payment... And scroll down until you see 'preferred payment method' SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold and Stefan/TGC
Patrick wrote: Eventually, federal laws will govern even the tomatoes grown in your own back yard. You will pay an imputed value tax on them. Eventually, states will take over the water supply and socialize it, imposing watering bans to avoid shortages. Oh wait, that's already happened. Ian wrote: One day some monopoly local water authorities will even bill farmers for rain that falls on their own land! Oh wait, that already happened too!! (An outrage that is beginning to happen in some Australian states, although not as heinous as the villainous acts of Robert Mugabe against the farmers of Zimbabwe - and against those who need to eat in Zimbabwe!) Now there's a hill worth defending, if not dying on. I would like to think that if I were a farmer I would refuse to pay the Australian government for rain falling on my farm. I would like to think I would push it to the hilt just based on principle. Ultimately if they came to take my farm, I would dig up the shotgun hidden in the back yard and refuse entry to all government gangsters. Such an action would of course cost me my life. That sure is easy for me to say, sitting here in a comfy chair in an air-conditioned room. It's the armchair general syndrome to be sure. :-) Just had to vent though. -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: how to sub to dgc.chat?
Solved. Despite much outdated info on the web and a majordomo server that seems to be unaware of it. Sending to [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like its supposed to work, but doesn't. Finally sent a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it worked. Even though the confirmation came back from lists.goldmoney.com I think there may a misconfig in the mx handlers or the DNS for lists.goldmoney.com -mark On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Mark Jeftovic wrote: Embarrassing to ask, but I can't figure it out, have been trying all the standard commands at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it doesn't seem to know about dgc.chat ? -- Quality aftermarket domains at http://www.eliteNIC.com 20% off when remitting via e-gold --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Numismatic Gold Coin Set Auction
Dear Digital Gold Community, We are pleased to announce following numismatic gold coin auction at - www.goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=154 Sydney 2000 Olympic Gold Coin Set, Series:8 www.goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=157 Ka' abah Gold Coin www.goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=158 Mahatma Gandhi Commemorative Gold Coin Hope that you all are alive with sound health. Thanks and regards, Yog Yatry Osho Kala Group Private Limited --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
Ian Green wrote: Someone had better send them a subscription to Clue magazine! It's cheaper than CC to accept e-gold and they want an extra five percent? They aren't the first ones (sorry I was so slow in getting where it was!). Looks like a US money order is the best way to pay them, everything else says add some %age or money. Maybe once they're used to it, they'll offer e-gold users a discount. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Valis?
Hello, I am the owner of VALIS. I can assure you we are real and trustworthy. We have been in the business of helping non-USA residents to enter the US market through a business or personal banking presence in the USA since 1997. I am Canadian, so have experienced the lack of support outside the USA first hand. VALIS International was created to make it easier for non-USA residents to take advantage of what the USA has to offer. We add on 5% for e-gold because it is not so cheap/easy to get the e-gold into our bank account to pay the bills with. I'd love to see e-gold with a withdraw feature like PayPal's. But any e-gold member who mentions this post and orders a personal US bank account (GOLD package only) before Aug 31, 2002 will have total payable _by e-gold_ of only US$230 (that's $32.50 off). Just to thank you for talking about us! You can view the package/account details @ www.valisinternational.com/personal You can order @ www.valisinternational.com/order/personal Thank you, David Gendron VALIS International --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] On the outright laughability of internet democracy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (was Re: [dgc.chat] Re: [e-gold-list] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold and Stefan/TGC) At 12:53 PM +0200 on 8/10/02, Arik Schenkler wrote: Internet voting, IMHO, will bring true democracy rather than a representatives democracy. Well, that's just plain wrong. Go look up discussions on google about cryptographic protocols for internet voting. It just ain't possible without the most strict, obscene, biometric, draconian, is a person, non-anonymous methods you ever saw. Lions, tigers, and precious bodily fluids, boys and girls. The point to democracy, in the industrial/agricultural political sense, is one man, one vote. One *anonymous* vote. On the net, paradoxically, that is completely impossible. Votes can be sold. If you fix it so that you can't sell votes without forgoing your identity -- and thus your freedom -- and physically showing up somewhere to vote, or at least proving that you have a device that identifies you as a voter in the most immediate terms possible, you can sell your vote, anonymously, on the net, for whatever the market will bear, and *that* person can *re*sell your vote, and so on, just like it was voting rights to a share of stock. That bit of cryptographic mobiosity is probably down at the semantic level of consistency versus completeness. Somewhere, Goedel and Russell are laughing. The net result, of course, of any kind of truly anonymous internet voting, is anarchocapitalism, where people sell their voting control over assets, including political assets, over and over in secondary markets, on a continuing basis, in real-time. No political small-d democrat (or small-r republican, or small-l libertarian, whatever) I've ever heard of would call that a true democracy. That particular prospect has anarchocapitalists, and crypto-anarchists, out at the bar, buying both Herr Professor Goedel and Lord Russell a beer or two... Cheers, RAH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.5 iQA/AwUBPVWANsPxH8jf3ohaEQLSXwCg7ohcz+ZCxGsX86HQSXFJHK3OOD8AoJAW 8doH9VU+LyGdpZ4x6zmz74Bv =G4Fp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: On the outright laughability of internet democracy
Stated more succinctly: information technology + financial cryptography + weapons of mass destruction = the state is definitively obsolete, but no one has realized it yet. In 100 years no one will give a rip about democracy. The states will be so small that it won't really matter. It will be about as relevant as the great debates over how many angels could dance on the head of pin that took place in the 1400's. Instead of voting for politicians in your own city-state, you will be able to just move to the city-state whose legal framework, and economic environment most closely resembles your own values. In a world of microbrews, custom cars, and nanotechnology, its only a matter of time until we see customized microstates. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Thanks to Ragnar/Planetgold and Stefan/TGC
what is wrong with a local government rating based on a proxy for water outflow (e.g. area) to cover the costs of, for argument's sake, a scheme to drain land, including your own? Ideally taxes should be proximate to the benefits derived from the services provided, and under New Zealand law (don't know about Australian states) the Rating Powers Act 1988, enables local government an array of bases for charging, and under the Local Government Amendment Act 1996 (number 3), local government is obligated to recover the costs of its services in a way proximate to the distribution of the benefits: 122F. Principles relating to funding of expenditure needs---The principles referred to in section 122E (1) (a) of this Act (which principles are not ranked in order of priority) are--- ``(a) The principle that the costs of any expenditure should be recovered at the time that the benefits of that expenditure accrue: ``(b) The principle that, to the extent that any expenditure--- ``(i) Is independent of the number of persons who benefit; or ``(ii) Generates benefits that do not accrue to identifiable persons or groups of persons; or ``(iii) Generates benefits to the community generally,--- the costs of that expenditure should be allocated in a manner consistent with economic efficiency and appropriate to the nature and distribution of the benefits generated, which manner may require the use of rating mechanisms under the Rating Powers Act 1988: ``(c) The principle that the costs of any expenditure should be recovered from persons or categories of persons in a manner that matches the extent to which the direct benefits of that expenditure accrue to those persons or categories of persons: ``(d) The principle that the costs of any expenditure to control negative effects that are contributed to by the actions or inaction of any persons or categories of persons should be allocated to those persons or categories of persons in a way that matches the extent to which they contribute to the need for that expenditure. David Hillary --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
