[e-gold-list] Re: trades marks
> Your ideas about trademarks are based on a statist > view of who has authority to issue a trademark. > Under the common law, a trade mark is claimed by > using it in trade. Under the authoritarian > statist approach, a trademark is "registered" by > filing with the feral gummint. I'm less interested in how things ought to be, then how they really are. I have no interest in starting a revolution. Since, the trademark is registered with the US government, then the owners obviously want to abide by the authoritarian statist approach or else they wouldn't have registered it and just plainly used it in trade. > > Since, the governing body of said trademarks > > seems to think that G&SR owns them, then G&SR does > > own them. > That claim is a lot of nonsense. You are saying that > the government agency which depends on papers filed by > G&SR knows more about the disposition of G&SR's > property than does G&SR. How can that be? So you agree with me that the trademarks are actually owned by G&SR and there is a plain black and white lie on the e-gold website? > > My point is that the e-gold website was doing fine > > before they added that line to the bottom on the site. > Yes, but it isn't your site. You aren't paid to > come up with legal claims and disclaimers for that > site. Take it up with Barry Downey. Sue them over > it, if you wish, and see how the courts settle the > matter. (Good luck establishing standing.) It's not my site but I have a vested interest in its success because I own businesses that rely on it. And I don't like to file lawsuits when they might not be needed. Who knows, maybe Barry will read this and think to himself that this situation might hurt them in any future lawsuits where they need to prove the seperations between G&SR and e-gold. > > There is already sufficient confusion about > > the "one in the same-ness" of e-gold, Ltd. and > > G&SR and this only helps to further that confusion. > My friend, there is no confusion. Gold & Silver > Reserve, Inc., seems to be owned and operated by the > same group of people who own and operate e-Gold, Ltd., > with few exceptions. It seems to me that they > may have interlocking boards of directors which is > one of the key ingredients for piercing the > corporate veil The key word in the above paragraph is "seems". G&SR might be owned by Doug, Ried, Barry, etc. etc. but I, and probably you also, have no proof of this? Do you have a list of board of directors? I'm glad to see that atleast one ecurrency out there (Pecunix) is disclosing these types of things and no leaving it to people to speculate. > addresses @omnipay.net are the same as their > addresses @e-gold.com. I suggest that there is > no confusion at all. There is no confusion to you because you and I both agree that e-gold and G&SR are two very tightly connected companies. But in my experience at working in the G&SR offices, they wanted to give out the appearance that e-gold and G&SR were very independent. That is where the confusion comes in. > > I consider it a risk to my gold that the "e-gold" > > name is actually owned by a second company. If we consider the trademark to be property, then we can also consider it to be an asset. Since G&SR takes normal business risks and could potentially fail, then assets that should belong to e-gold at no risk are at risk under G&SR ownership. It further puts e-gold Ltd under risk because G&SR and e-gold could be considered "Parent & Subsidiary" by some courts. Parent companies can be held liable for their children companies. One test of this is Common ownership of assets. Not to mention common employees, shared office space, and common management. But I'm sure they know this. > > Even more than that, I consider it a risk that > > the access to my gold is actually controlled my > > a second company that I would rather not have > > anything to do with. > Dude, that sounds like rough rocks. Your e-gold > is accessed via http://use.e-gold.com/ which is > a site owned and operated by e-gold, Ltd., as I > gather. The actual gold which is involved is > stored in London, Zurich, and Dubai for a special > purpose trust which is described on the e-gold > Examiner.html and related pages. However, it was > all started by this antecedent outfit called > Gold & Silver Reserve. The e-gold website is operated and maintained by G&SR: http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/contact.html > If you want out, please visit http://cambist.net/ > and sell your e-gold for: Just because I don't like it.. doesn't mean I won't continue to profit from it. I gather you don't particularly like the FRNs, but you will probably continue to profit from them. > What I > cannot do is change the nature of the owners > of e-gold, Ltd., or their antecedent organization > G&SR. And I'm not asking you to do anything. I'm asking e-gold and G&SR to create a more black and white distinction between them and make the whole system a little more t
[e-gold-list] electronic parts by proxy (Australia)
Just a post to see if anyone would want to make use of buying electronic parts using e-gold. Places I frequent are. http://members.iinet.net.au/~worcom/ http://www.jaycar.com.au http://www.altronics.com.au/ and http://www.dse.com.au/ Customs is probably painfull but you never know, so primarily looking to see if there are any ozzies with gold who need bits. cya,Andrew... --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: twelve ideas (8 for T)
> 12. Khurram Khan complains of trademark assignments from G&SR > to e-gold, Ltd. I think, Khurram, that just because G&SR > registered the trademarks, they are not necessarily the > current owners. Trademarks are property, and if they have > assigned those trademarks, or sold them, to e-gold, Ltd., > that is well within their authority. Yes Trademarks are property, just like the house you live in and the office you work in. Like buildings, trademarks have an official registry. The name on this registry is the actual entity that owns such property. If these trademarks have been sold to e-gold, Ltd. Then the official registry should reflect these changes. Since, the governing body of said trademarks seems to think that G&SR owns them, then G&SR does own them. After all, would you buy your house in my name? My point is that the e-gold website was doing fine before they added that line to the bottom on the site. There is already sufficient confusion about the "one in the same-ness" of e-gold, Ltd. and G&SR and this only helps to further that confusion. I consider it a risk to my gold that the "e-gold" name is actually owned by a second company. Even more than that, I consider it a risk that the access to my gold is actually controlled my a second company that I would rather not have anything to do with. Khurram Khan --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] audits, TLE
Dear Friends, It seems to me that GoldMoney, Pecunix, and the Liberty Dollar all have good claims to serious audit trails. E-gold is fairly notorious right now in having essentially no audit trail since at least February 2001. E-Bullion has had audit-like reports for some time. However, I will say that there is something more significant than audits in establishing whether or not to trust a currency. Audits, after all, can be faked. Why is the name "Arthur Andersen" a joke right now? They performed audits which were published with the annual reports of notorious outfits like Enron and the like. You can look it up. What good does it do you to have an audit if the auditors don't point out major failings in the books of the company in which you are investing? (Using a gold currency is a form of investment - you are trusting your gold to their care.) One currency, 1MDC, has never had any sort of an audit. None. But, it is trusted because of the high profile and tremendous trust factor relating to its principals. I trust e-gold to be there when I want my gold because I've met its principals. I've read up on their past history. I understand what drives them to create "Better Money®". I trust e-Bullion, GoldMoney, the Liberty Dollar, and Crowne Gold for the same reasons. I believe that Pecunix has similar quality. Thus, these are or may soon become currencies supported by Cambist.net. If you can trust the people with whom you are dealing, you can get good business results. And if you cannot trust those individuals, if they have proven false or untrustworthy, it doesn't matter if you have a photocopy of their state-issued ID, it doesn't matter if you have a ton of audit paper, it doesn't matter if you have sworn affidavits from a hundred trade references. It is in the nature of the scorpion to sting you. The same issues which apply to gold currencies also apply to exchange providers or cambists. That's why you can learn all about the principals of Cambist.net by visiting our parent company web page: http://goldbarterholdings.com/principals.cgi Click on the CV for each of us, and read all about our backgrounds. These same issues apply to investments, as Mr. James A. Donald seems to know. There are three things that I look for in making an investment: First, is there a plan to make money? That's sort of a pre-requisite, a necessary but not sufficient condition. If there is no plan, then there is a high risk of failure - most businesses fail from lack of planning or lack of capital. Second, is there a team competent to implement the plan? That's also a necessary but not a sufficient condition. If there is a qualified team, then on to the most vital issue: Third, can I trust these people with my money? Trust is earned, not given. If it is given away, it has no real value. Trust begins with a relationship. If you can't relate to these people, if you cannot understand their motives, if you are lied to by them, if you have reason not to trust their motives, don't invest. I think applying these three matters to Graham Kelly's offer, or to the high yield "programs" you hear about, or to Gold Barter Holdings, or to putting your gold in the hands of, say, the folks at e-Bullion.com, are equally sensible. If you can trust the people involved with your money, then you can go forward with confidence. If not...there are plenty of other places to put your money. Say, Graham! Where's your Curriculum Vitae or resume? Ragnar points the way to: http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/ As a frequent contributor to _The Libertarian Enterprise_ as well as to Ragnar's _Liberty Impact_ I wholeheartedly concur. You'll find a letter to the editor from me in the current issue, as well as pointers to earlier articles by me. I write so often for them that I should soon update: http://www.ezez.com/free/freejim.html which no longer includes all my articles there. Skip all those gold-age links, though, and click over to http://cambist.net/ for best results. ;-) Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Cards
Dear Steve, Thank's for the vote of confidence. Yes, certainly. I urge everyone who is thinking about a V-Cash card, or may wish to win a free V-Cash card, to get involved with Cash Cards International: http://www.cashcards.net/rep/50085 today!!! Regards, Jim http://cambist.net/ http://goldbarter.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: new: quickly accept e-gold payments
: a new shortcut method to accept e-gold payments is available : to e-gold account holders. any e-gold account holder can now : use a link similar to: : : http://100998.e-gold.com : : this example allows e-gold account 100998 to accept 2 centigram : gold payments. Excellent Jay! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] Re: new: quickly accept e-gold payments
Here's what JP said: Staggering, mindbogglingly cool. e-gold pulls way ahead (if only I could post to the e-gold list!) :-) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: new: quickly accept e-gold payments
On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 02:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://100998.e-gold.com ... http://100998-USD25.50-Silver.e-gold.com Cool feature. an easy way to generate your own link is available at the e-gold developer page: http://sci.e-gold.com Oh my gosh that's cool. -- Patrick http://fexl.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] new: quickly accept e-gold payments
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- a new shortcut method to accept e-gold payments is available to e-gold account holders. any e-gold account holder can now use a link similar to: http://100998.e-gold.com this example allows e-gold account 100998 to accept 2 centigram gold payments. further parameters can be added to accept different amounts and e-metals. for example: http://100998-USD25.50-Silver.e-gold.com sends the payer to an e-gold payment screen ready to make a payment of 25.50 US Dollars worth of e-silver to e-gold account 100998. the default amount is 2 centigrams of gold. use of additional parameters allows any amount to be accepted. * * * an easy way to generate your own link is available at the e-gold developer page: http://sci.e-gold.com * * * users clicking your shortcut link are taken directly to the e-gold Shopping Cart Interface (SCI) page where payment can be made. you (the payee) will receive an automatic email notification when the payment has been made. the payer can easily return to your web page containing the link by clicking Continue after making the payment (or Cancel before making the payment). SCI and other technical e-gold questions can be directed via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] enjoy, jay w. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0.4 iQEVAwUBPlEyVcyM0YPqVE7FAQF9XAgAiacg6sYt+GMfoldocE4U/dNMYXA6epOt 0H7hjHl6lmLyzfGZwTLi8jK+xnXAmXrroWxmB/5BoJDISpWcVW+uGhQgTgLUseXA riGpclIjiO6Qf3hq4l7DgO8/vp9q74y9ZQ9MVDmUFXkK6g+oSA4XrNIGRs1eBH9G rbuSHd9ghWA5tGQwk+orBtjNuHYiIYqTtRzvYKUzy0gQ0zk/GwLPK1J5/sgq64j4 E4fIR3vSWoHIGA+nXijjujoJ+UJHnm3eg9XnxgF7VInbuwV7wnZ+7ycq2eAgfUoF XsrGTAE3wTnduHhuDyeFajJl3tL1ZbCGgLwkE3Xvv7x98NzZvfDJMg== =U2bk -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Greetings from London - home of Congestion Tax
At 9:42 AM -0500 2/17/03, George Matyjewicz wrote: ... >There is a wonderful opportunity here for the use of e-Gold. The mayor of >London has a new "congestion tax" starting today whereby any vehicle >entering a designated area of London must pay a 5 pound tax, which needs to >be paid within two hours. Failure to pay gradually increases the fine to >80 pounds (over a 2-day period I believe). ... That two-hour requirement does indeed sound tailor-made for e-gold, but how about this idea I had* a while back. A system of bids on whether or not a traffic light will stay red or turn green in front of you, with essentially a robot negotiating with the light for you, perhaps programmed to different modes, like "I'm in a hurry and I'm late!" all the way down to "this is a romantic drive, I don't *care* if it takes longer!" (Heck, all the romantic drivers might even bid for redlights!). My proposed system would allow those who really want to get there faster to pay more for the faster trips (yes, most of the time some government would get the loot. What else is new?)... Currently, everyone pays the same (nothing) for this, just as Londoners used to all pay the same for congestion. I predict a lot more traffic in London at 3AM starting now. 802.11b and other short range radio devices will make this idea inevitable eventually, IMO, but they could also just use Better Money right now if they wanted to! JMR * Or read-about, I don't recall which! I think someone else has also had it, but without the "oh, we could do it now with e-gold" aspect, naturally. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Greetings from London - home of Congestion Tax
Hi All: Greetings from London where I am spending some time on a business trip. Hope this goes out, as my outbound mail has been a slight issue. There is a wonderful opportunity here for the use of e-Gold. The mayor of London has a new "congestion tax" starting today whereby any vehicle entering a designated area of London must pay a 5 pound tax, which needs to be paid within two hours. Failure to pay gradually increases the fine to 80 pounds (over a 2-day period I believe). No need to debate the merits of the action or the stupidity of the collection process - they are taking photos of the vehicles, must like the photos taken in the US when one passes a stop sign. However, it is an opportunity for digital currency. And, the tax is being watched worldwide, as other cities may adopt it if it is successful. In the NYC area, all they have is a blizzard with up to two feet of snow ;-( FWIW George ___ Dr. George Matyjewicz, Chief Global Strategist GAP Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.gapent.com/ Moderator of E-Tailer's Digest http://www.etailersdigest.com/ Automated Press Releases http://www.automatedpr.com/ E-Gold Account # 193274 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pidgeons
>> The first project is an environmentally based, new technology >> company. The second project will require maximum $100,000, >> also an environmental project, with a new personal water >> filter idea! >Anyone who invests on this kind of a prospectus, is a pidgeon. I'm very inclined to agree. 'Pidgeons, Jim! They bring them in by the busload!' -The Rockford Files. New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
