[e-gold-list] Re: Stealing Trademarked Words

2003-08-06 Thread Robert S.Z.
 and this one is for you Robert:
 http://www.icann.org/gnso/issue-reports/whois-privacy-report-13may03.htm
 
Hello Gordon,
There is a difference between 'holding in trust' and 'being' a trust.
You see, we settled a trust to hold domains for clients. This trust is not
related to us other than that it contracted CyberFrontier to set up
U2Planet.com and register domain names for it.

So, in essence, WE don't know what the trust does with them or whom they
are holding it for. Even if we wanted to disclose details, all we can
provide is the contact details for a trust manager. We don't even knoe who
the trustee is.

As far as I can see, the trust might actually settle a seperate trust for
each of the domain names. But that is just a guess.

Now, IF that is what is happening, then the trust manager may know the
trustee of the first trust, but it is unclear if that trustee is
instrumental in settling the other trusts for each domain name. It then
gets really complicated when the seperate trusts for each domain name have
different trustees themselves.

That much to the ICANN rules (guidelines?).

Now, in your 3M case, who registered the domain? When you say you are
holding it in trust, are you (or your comapny) the holder? If so, then I
agree with Patrick's first comment of the thread.
Because then you can indeed be forced by law to hand it over. Worse, you
can be forced to disclose the identity of the beneficiary.
If you however, have settled an actual trust for the domain, are not an
officer of the trust and are merely following rules, then the rule that
hosts can not be held responsible for what their respective customers use
the services for is likely to apply. And, as there is no precedent that
suggests otherwise, this 'service provider protection' is likely to extend
to domain name registrations (for now).

The question would then be, did you or did you not settle a trust, do the
paperwork, etc.? It might be a question you might prefer to answer
off-list by private mail, though.

Lemme know if there is anything I can do.
Cheers,
Robert.

no sig, but you all know anyway...


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[e-gold-list] Re: Stealing Trademarked Words

2003-08-06 Thread Katz Global Media


ICANN is the government after all...

who controlls your domain name really?

ICANN WAS FORMED IN RESPONSE TO A U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE WHITE PAPER
ICANN was created by members of the Internet community in response to a June 1998 
White Paper, issued by the U.S. Department of
Commerce (DOC). As the Internet developed, DNS functions were carried out by a variety 
of volunteers and US Government contractors.
A non-competitive, government-funded system developed. The DOC's White Paper envisaged 
a global, consensus, non-profit
corporation, to serve as the means by which DNS management could be privatized, 
enabling an open, competitive system.

ICANN IS ENABLING COMPETITION FOR DOMAIN NAME (.COM) REGISTRATIONS

To accomplish this, ICANN and the Department of Commerce (DoC) entered into a 
Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on November 25,
1998, agreeing to work together to manage the transition from government control to 
private sector control. The single most visible
and important element of DNS management is the registration of domain names (for 
example, .com, .org and .net). A single historical
provider, Network Solutions,(added entry: also a psuedo governmental organization) has 
for years enjoyed a government-granted
monopoly over new domain name registrations and renewals.

ICANN has no statutory or other governmental power: its authority is entirely a 
consequence of voluntary contracts and compliance
with its consensus policies by the global Internet community. It has no power to force 
any individual or entity to do anything; its
authority is nothing more than the reflection of the willingness of the members of 
the Internet community to use ICANN as a
consensus development vehicle.

http://www.icann.org/general/background.htm#8

The government built it and we came. At most levels they still have full control over 
the net even if people don't really realize
this. This goes for data hubs, router hooks, TLD's, ip assigning etc... and translates 
into TIA which is what they already have but
only now it is starting to become public knowledge that they want to do this... what a 
joke that is!

and this one is for you Robert:
http://www.icann.org/gnso/issue-reports/whois-privacy-report-13may03.htm

Gordon H.
www.katzglobal.com
Anonymous Hosting(tm) Solutions



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[e-gold-list] Re: Stealing Trademarked Words

2003-08-06 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
On Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 05:13 PM, Katz Global Media wrote:

The 3M corporation is claiming (by certified email and mail)  that a 
domain we hold in our trust for a client is in violation of
their trademark. They have also gone as far to send us a form that 
allows for the domain to be transferred to them. The domain in
question is called (www.3mservice.com) - (( I changed the domain name 
to protect the client.))


COMMENTS ANYONE?


You're screwed.

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[e-gold-list] gasoline and e-gold

2003-08-06 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Graham,

I just bet that sucker uses more than 12 litres of unleaded
gas per hour!
There is a ducted fan personal aircraft which has a 200 mile
range and uses gasoline.  It is not made by Moller, and is
not your gyro, either.
As far as your criticism of the Moller air car, what business
is it of yours how George spends his money?  How is it any
concern of yours that his choice of personal transportation
uses more gasoline?  Mind your own business.
Ironically, the slogan mind your business appeared on the
first USA currency, the Contintental issued by the Continental
Congress in 1775-85.  It is ironic since the fiat money
was imposed on the market, and minded other people's business.
I have a question for all e-gold users: have you ever
bought gasoline with e-gold?
It seems to me that gasoline is mostly sold electronically
in the USA nowadays.  I go up to the pump, put in a debit
or credit card, pump my own gas, and drive away.  The
only place I'm denied this charming opportunity is in
Oregon, which has some socialist program for hiring the
indigent to pump gas.
Regards,

Jim
  http://www.ezez.com/  - 16.5 ounces at $351 still on offer
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[e-gold-list] Re: Stealing Trademarked Words

2003-08-06 Thread Katz Global Media


I am not willing to do that, but I can say that it has been changed to take on the 
same meaning and context so that the discussion
would be on key with the facts of this.

g/



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[e-gold-list] E-Gold game script

2003-08-06 Thread SV Gisp
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[e-gold-list] Re: gasoline and e-gold

2003-08-06 Thread Cambist.net


 From: Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:00:24 -0500
 To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [e-gold-list] gasoline and e-gold

 It seems to me that gasoline is mostly sold electronically
 in the USA nowadays.  I go up to the pump, put in a debit
 or credit card, pump my own gas, and drive away.  The
 only place I'm denied this charming opportunity is in
 Oregon, which has some socialist program for hiring the
 indigent to pump gas.



I believe self-service is also prohibited in New Jersey.



- John

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[e-gold-list] Re: Stealing Trademarked Words

2003-08-06 Thread FileMatrix
I see things like this:

1. e-gold-casino is a trade-mark infringement because it confuses visitors
in the way they are likely to think e-gold-casino is run by E-gold.

2. bet-with-egold is not an infringement because it tells visitors they
can *use* egold to bet with. This is like I would put a sign on my store
saying I sell Pepsi. Any normal buyer would think that I sell Pepsi, but
not that PepsiCo has opeded a store there. But if I would put a sign with
Pepsi Store, a buyer could think that PepsiCo has opened a store there
(which is not true).



Regards,
George Hara
www.filematrix.xnet.ro




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