[e-gold-list] Re: Funds stolen from Account
Let me apologise for the long posting..Is a compilation of a few
events..Whoever think they have a solution may read.
A solution to a problem is never as permanent as the problem itself or the
excuses Ka Seong
Well, I don't believe there is a lock in this world that can last longer
than the persistency of a thief.
There is only one solution and only if E-gold is willing to do something
about it. Unlike ATM-card fraud where the funds are gone without much
valuebale and traceability clue. Every fund that has been stolen from any
account still remain in the entire E-gold system. What time it was spent?
Where does the access came from? Which account it was spent to? What is
the subsequent activities of the fund in the receiving acccount? Used for
shopping? Exchange out to cash? etc.
All these are logged, isn't it? Only timing is very crucial and E-gold has
to come up with new term and conditions. For example, {As an E-gold user,
you agreed that E-gold may frozen your account for investigation when that
is an alligation about your account being used to receive funds stolen.
However, this investigation will not take too long and we will release it
back to you, when proven otherwise.} Let the lawyer do the correct
wording.
Here is a letter I received from Heap Of Gold together with their refund
check of $960 to me for my unsuccessful E-gold funding of $1025 with them
on Apr 23.
{Begin}
The e-gold system has suffered a security breach of their system. We are
no longer a market maker for e-gold and cannot in good faith recommend use
of this system. We have returned the portion of your funds that were not
taken during the breach of the e-gold system. E-gold has the remainder of
your funds. E-gold tracked the hackers in their system and seized the
funds. To date they have been unwilling to return the stolen funds per
their own policy. If we receive the funds back from e-gold we will forward
the remainder of your funds back to you.
{end}
Below is my e-mail communication I had with E-gold service for my personal
experience in losing E-gold fund, only a Yugo lost compare to Fred Mann's
Ferrari lost. Does E-gold have to wait until the lost of a Boeing to take
action?
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Subject: RE: Urgent !!! My E-Gold Account Hacked ! $177.0 Gone !
To: Lim Ka Seong Cheah Siew Mee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Service EG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The e-gold system wasn't hacked. We have all the logs of what happened in
your account and we are trying to get authorities to help us. But at this
current time we cannot provide that information to you because we require
a court order to give that information out.
e-gold Service
-Original Message-
From: Lim Ka Seong Cheah Siew Mee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:49 PM
To: Service EG
Cc: Paul Vahur
Subject: RE: Urgent !!! My E-Gold Account Hacked ! $177.0 Gone !
E-Gold Service,
I have never express my intention for a reverse spend, I will reserve that
till later. WHAT I AM AFTER IS THE TRUTH.
I would like to know why there is an unauthorized spend from my E-gold
account?
Was is the act of a hacker?
Was my account really been compromised?
Was is a software mistake in E-gold? That my account was accidentally
deducted?
Or, was it done by someone who work in E-gold?
So, what is your finding? Have you taken a look at the log file? Have you
got the IP address that access my the E-gold account during that time
frame? Can you email me the log file of my account?
I have submitted a Internet Fraud filing with FBI and in the process of
collecting more information in helping their investigation. Your
cooperation is very much appreciated.
Here is my IFCC-FBI file id : I01060314523071
We have to start asking ourself questions to find out the truth. Giving
excuses wasn't helpful at all. I have collected a few other similar cases
that were reported to E-gold. I can tell you that all of them are equally
disappointed with E-gold's customer service support.
Regards,
Ka Seong
At 11:17 AM 06/06/2001 -0400, you wrote:
Basically our policy is that we cannot reverse an e-gold spend, that has
always been our policy. The user
is responsible for the protection of their passphrase, please read
www.e-gold.com/unsecure/e-g-agree.htm
e-gold Service
-Original Message-
From: Lim Ka Seong Cheah Siew Mee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 7:02 PM
To: Service EG
Cc: Paul Vahur
Subject: [e-gold-service] RE: Urgent !!! My E-Gold Account Hacked ! $1
77.0 Gone !
E-gold Service,
Well, you see, with credit card, if someone illegally charge to our credit
card, as the owner of the card, I can decline the transaction and I am
protected. I can stand and depend myself against it. In this case of
E-gold, a spend was committed using my account, and as the owner of the
account, I am depending myself that the spend was not committed by me.
Whether or not, the receiving end of the spend is the culprit
[e-gold-list] Re: Due Process - In defense of e-gold
Ken Griffith wrote: Many people have complained that e-gold doesn't just freeze funds or reverse a spend when they report that their account has been hacked. There is a reason for this. It is called due process. If someone has stolen money from your account, report it to the FBI or the local Melbourne, Florida police department, and hire a lawyer to get a court order telling e-gold to produce the records showing where that money was spent to and when. E-gold states on their website that they will cooperate with law enforcement agencies. end Ka Seong The problem is how to produce a court order and convince the FBI when you can't even produce a single clue about the culprit, their name, where they stay etc. Only E-gold has the identity. The victim only has the Book-Entry record showing which E-gold account his fund was spent to. People who are in legitimate E-gold business will definitely work with E-gold to unfrozen their account by proving to E-gold that, that was a legitimate transaction by the spender (or spenders!!!) So, in the goldmine's case or the AVIDAs case, let's frozen thier account and see if they make noise (If it is good noise, E-Gold's GOOD PR should be able to handle, right?). If they don't and won't make noise because they know what they have done illegally. If they do, they will have their identity revealed. Only E-gold can let them know they can't get away easily if they are ripping E-gold's customer Ka Seong --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: My E-gold Account had password stolen
That all sounds good --- (*) did you ever visit e-Qold while it was working? Perhaps accidentally? Yes, I did visit them on purpose during April, and entered a wrong password for them. It did attract the attempt to compromise my E-gold account: Account 267169 Logged in. Welcome back Rosemee ! The last invalid login attempt on this account occurred: 4/27/01 2:15:12 AM GMT (*) could there be a problem with HYO, MMFC, or Cornucopia? (I have no idea what those are) As far as these people are concern, I know they are very reliable to me. We have regular contacts. I have 2 E-gold accounts, the other was almost always kleft with less than $2. I have only been using one PC all the time. This PC is in my home office. I connected to my ISP through a modem. I still can't figure out wat went wrong. By the way, is there any support we can get from E-gold service to take a detail look at what had happened around the time? I mean into the log and tracking down the IP of the login and spending process. Would reporting this to IFCC FBI of any help at all. I think I am experiencing losing more money on E-gold than on the traditional banking credit card system in my entire life since I started using E-gold 4 months ago. 1st to Flat Rate Gold ($1,300) for E-gold funding. 2nd to Heap Of Gold ($1,075) also for E-gold funding. (they said they are refunding but it is almost 7 weeks! They balmed it on E-gold security) 3rd to E-gold thief spending into their own account: 315948 AVIDA LTD. I use to work in a UNix networking environment and I know I can dig into every single details of what is going on in the network. Only if E-gold is willing to do something after so many reported cases. Spending to AVIDA LTD is definitely not a mis spending. It was happening around 6:00am my local time. I was still sleeping ! Regards, Ka Seong --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] My E-gold Account Hacked !
Hi, My E-gold account was hacked and all the E-gold taken ! Here are the details: Time 6/3/01 10:57 (GMT) Type Payment Batch 2754884 e-metal Gold Weight(troy oz.) -0.663667 To/From Account 315948 Entered Amount 177.00 Rate per oz. US$ 266.70 To: AVIDA LTD. I don't know what the hack is AVIDA LTD. Someone please stop and bar their account! Regards, 267169 (Rosemee) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: My E-gold Account Hacked !
Rosemee here. I was the one purposely hacking their account to prevent them from login in to retrieve the E-gold taken from all of our account. I am well aware of the E-QOLD account and has been warning people about that. I use my internet favorites to access E-gold every single time so that it carries my CID in the link. I phone up E-gold but there was nobody in charge. E-gold should block this account and trace down all the spend immediately. Any where to contact them now? Regards, Ka Seong (Rosemee of 267169) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: My E-gold Account Hacked !
Just did a micro payment to the account. It is still accepting. E-Gold need to bar this ! e-metal® payment confirmation: Batch 2756591 Paid To: 315948 (AVIDA LTD.) Amount: 0.005 US$' worth of Gold Memo: Please Don't Take MY $177.0 E-GOLD, Be kind ! From: 267169 (Rosemee) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: My E-gold Account had password stolen
Hi, I used at least 15 chars for my password. All my password are unique. The E-Qold.com is not working. Not even my wife knows the password I used. It is never stored online nor offline. It is only in my head. And I don't joint any of those fly by night HYIP program and has never given my E-gold account number to anybody except when I do my payment into HYO, MMFC and Cornucopia using E-gold Interface cart. On the same day, there was also an attempt to login to my other account but it was an unsuccessful attempt. How can we know if keyboard sniffer nas sneaked into our system. It could also be a network sniffer. It seems to happen right after the E-gold maintenance. Any suggestion? Ka Seong --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Heap Of Gold Refunding?
Has anyone got a refund from Heap Of Gold. They did sent me an email asking for my mailing address. I have email it to them about 2 weeks ago. No futher updates. KS --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap Of Gold Refunding?
What can we do about this? Both Heap Of Gold and Flat Rate Gold was officially listed on E-Gold website. I also do funding 3 times in my short life of using E-Gold. The first with Flat Rate Gold, $1300 taken without any repy. Second with Heap Of Gold for $775 - OK. The 3rd time with Heap of Gold again and this time no news from them with my $1075 funding. It seems that E-Gold is E-Ghost to me!!! Look at how much I lost from believing what was once listed in E-Gold's website ! Here is the E-Ghost most recent reply when I try to ask them about these 2 companies: Begining Of Attachment -- Subject: RE: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding To: Lim Ka Seong Cheah Siew Mee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Service EG [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are separate companies from us and so we don't have much more information than that. e-gold Service -Original Message- From: Lim Ka Seong Cheah Siew Mee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 6:44 PM To: Service EG Subject: [e-gold-service] RE: E-Gold Funding Dear E-Gold Service, Why are they sending the money back to us. We sent them them the money to fund our E-Gold and bearing all the bank charges (making the bank profitable). What is happening to them. There were no reply from them at all when I sent them emails. Before that, we have another funding with Flat Rate Gold in March. The amount was $1300. Until today, there is no news from those market maker! What can we do? Should I considered that money lost in the thin air? Regards, Ka Seong/Siew Mee End Of Attachment -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Heap Of Gold Refunding?
Has anybody received any refund from Heap Of Gold? Has anybody received any reply from Heap Of Gold? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap of Gold Problems.......................
Well, I hope that E-Gold is still in contact with Heap Of Gold. I really want to get my wired-money (gold) funded as soon as possible or at least get it return to me. What is the problem with them (E-Gold Security??) actually? Ka Seong/Siew Mee --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Heap of Gold ....................??
Yes, I used their service before - twice all together. The first time they funded my E-gold account. The second time, 23 Apr. $1075 taken and still not funded, not replying any of my email. Has put up a notice and I think they went for hiding or enjoying the sun and beach somewhere in Florida? E-gold is not reponsive enough to our complain as well. Heap Of Gold is now removed from E-Gold directory. A sign of E-Gold trying to escape from their responsibility? I have before this, lost $1300 with another market makers listed in E-Gold directory - Flat Rate Gold. What is E-Gold doing? Aren't they protecting us? Ka Seong --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Flatrategold.
Would you mind sharing how you look up these information about flat rate gold? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
