[e-gold-list] Re: Goldnow privacy
Ben, Thank you for the testimony... yes, we do deal privately with folks, but we ALSO need to verify customers name, address, and phone numbers, as we never want to be accused of money laundering, or dealing with NON entities etc etc. Also, we appreciate our customers, and want to deal with REAL people. So, I make no apology for not dealing with non verifiable people. BTW, this information is not shared with ANYONE, including scurrilous agents acting on behalf of OSRevovery? Inc. Sorry, but accepting the premise that money laundering can exist without the a predicate crime is the equivalent of trail without right to be confronted with evidence or accusers. Anyone who adheres to this policy, including most financial organizations, are just part of a tyranny. When I exchange e-gold for other value all I care about is whether I later possess that value. steve I have to agree with Steve here. Who are you to claim that people who want to buy e-gold from you 'might' be 'laundering' money (whatever that means) without some clear proof. And how would them identifying themselves stop the laundering from happening? Do you think that organised crime, terrorists, spies, crooked accountants etc. can't fake documents or acquire them illegally or legitimately? If (as seems to be the case) most market-makers seem to accept faxed copies of IDs, that is no protection at all from fraud in these days of desktop publishing. And how are we to believe that you don't share the info with anyone? If ASIO came knocking on your door and claimed that they were investigating whether Mr Legume was a bagman for El Quaeda, would you give them my private details and transfer records? What about some local donut-munchers from the CIB? Someone who rings up and claims to be a bank investigator? An email purporting to be from any of the above? Are you prepared to identify yourself to customers to the same levels? After all, you are the one accepting funds from your customers. Can you send me a notarised copy of your drivers license, passport, birth certificate and voter's registration papers? I might want to do a police check on you to see if you are reliable enough to send my funds to, would you sign an authority to allow me to do so? --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldnow privacy
having been reading this list for many years now, I am familiar with most of the folks who post here and I must say the exchangers here are a honest lot of folks, I've used most of them in one way or another with only great results. This whole topic has been nearly a joke since it started, The client (not sure what the name is they really are using today?) has been upset and possibly with good reason. The service provider has received the funds, both parties agree on this, They both claim different amounts but this is common as folks do exaggerate things when angry. The service provider wants proof of ID before making the exchange with great reason and they do clearly state this on the web site as has been proven. The client for what ever reason wish's to remain anonymous and seems to have failed to read the conditions on the site. So here is where this all stands right now: The exchange provider has the currency and will not exchange it until they have proof of ID. The client wants his money back or the money exchanged. Ok so now the client is doing the typical name calling, using profanity's on this list and trying to damage the reputation of the provider and quit frankly becoming a general nuisance to this list and others: The exchange provider has the funds and will not exchange do to lack of ID, the won't return the money being they are not sure who to return it to because of all the ID problems. OH WHAT A PICKLE!!! The rules just don't cover this one do they??? How about the exchange provider reverses the transaction to WU and let them deal with the ID issue (ya the sender will have to provide ID in order to pick up the money) and than we can all go back to a happy and nice list here! Just my thoughts --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldnow privacy
I'd like to add my opinions to Ben's comments: I have to agree with Steve here. Who are you to claim that people who want to buy e-gold from you 'might' be 'laundering' money (whatever that means) without some clear proof. Because if they are laundering stolen money, then the bank will probably reverse the charge, or threaten to close your bank account if you do not return the money. And how would them identifying themselves stop the laundering from happening? Do you think that organised crime, terrorists, spies, crooked accountants etc. can't fake documents or acquire them illegally or legitimately? If (as seems to be the case) most market-makers seem to accept faxed copies of IDs, that is no protection at all from fraud in these days of desktop publishing. Most thieves aren't good at faking documents, surprisingly. Moreover, if the thief is in a civilized country, the police there will likely cooperate if you can identify the thief's address. My experience has been that thieves do NOT want to be identified. Are you prepared to identify yourself to customers to the same levels? After all, you are the one accepting funds from your customers. Can you send me a notarised copy of your drivers license, passport, birth certificate and voter's registration papers? I might want to do a police check on you to see if you are reliable enough to send my funds to, would you sign an authority to allow me to do so? The customer is not at a serious risk. If the customer sends his money to a bad exchange service, then the customer will lose the money he sent. If the exchange service fails to identify his customers, he will lose THOUSANDS, and could be financially ruined. Craig (SnowDog) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldnow privacy
So here is where this all stands right now: The exchange provider has the currency and will not exchange it until they have proof of ID. The client wants his money back or the money exchanged. The solution to all this tug-of-war between exchange providers and their clients is a new business opportunity. I think we should have an organization setup to offer escrow services to ensure that both parties don't suffer from the current negative trend. It is definitely not going to get any better if we can find a solution now. I hope some honest person can step forward and put together something before it is too late! SV http://gigalance.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldNow privacy
At 05:48 PM 11/29/2002 +1100, Graham Kelly wrote: Ben, Thank you for the testimony... yes, we do deal privately with folks, but we ALSO need to verify customers name, address, and phone numbers, as we never want to be accused of money laundering, or dealing with NON entities etc etc. Also, we appreciate our customers, and want to deal with REAL people. So, I make no apology for not dealing with non verifiable people. BTW, this information is not shared with ANYONE, including scurrilous agents acting on behalf of OSRevovery? Inc. Sorry, but accepting the premise that money laundering can exist without the a predicate crime is the equivalent of trail without right to be confronted with evidence or accusers. Anyone who adheres to this policy, including most financial organizations, are just part of a tyranny. When I exchange e-gold for other value all I care about is whether I later possess that value. steve Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people... Be not intimidated, therefore, by any terrors, from publishing with the utmost freedom...nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberty by any pretenses of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery, and cowardice. -- John Adams --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
