[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
I think you're protesting too much. eCTA has shown nothing more than publicity, and you're getting emotional about the issue? Moreover, your defense of eCTA has no substance. I'd guess you're on the board of eCTA and are too chicken-shit to use your usual login for the e-gold list. If I'm wrong about who you are, I apologize. As far as I'm concerned, eCTA has done nothing but repell me since I first heard of it. There's something not quite right about the whole thing; I'm sure more will be exposed when it finally begins business. Maybe it's just my bias against OsGold; I don't know... I'll reserve complete judgment for when the eCTA product is finally on the shelf for my viewing. Regards, Chris Lord-Van Voorst a href=http://two-cents-worth.com/?230097; target=_blankmy $.02/a Nonsense, what a stupid statement. You are inferring that e-gold users can't take advantage of the eCTA because e-gold management choose not to answer correspondence to the eCTA. Wake up! The eCTA is not promoting currencies, it is helping users to choose suppliers of currency. E-gold's poor customer service policies make no difference to the efficacy of the eCTA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
A Cambio, Exchange Provider or Market Maker will have to go through a verification process in order to, be accepted as a member of the eCTA. Once this is accomplished the new member will be issued with a Seal of Accreditation which they will be entitled to display on their web site. In addition they will be added to the eCTA site with information on the services they offer. Thank you that's the information I was witing for. A certain number of Cambios, Exchange Providers and Market Makers have applied for membership and are currently going through the verification process. When this is completed they will be full members of the eCTA and issued with the Seal of Accreditation. Can we find out who they are? Cheers! Sniper _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
--- Chris Lord-Van Voorst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I'm concerned, eCTA has done nothing but repell me since I first heard of it. Aren't you the rude bastard that complained about someone's grammar? You can't even spell! How can anyone take you seriously? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
--- Eric J. Gaither [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Viking, By choosing OSGold over e-gold they seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the currency so that they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the currency issuer. Actually, what is confusing for a large number of people are your comments. The eCTA did not CHOOSE any of the currencies nor EXCLUDE any currency. Invitations were sent out EQUALLY and OPENLY to everyone to join. E-gold did not reply. (Surprised?) OSGold, SR, and GM did. What the hell? Isn't this eCTA there to provide information and protection to USERS of these currencies? I thought that market makers can be accredited by the eCTA so an end user knows she is hopefully using a reputable service to buy currency. Where does e-gold, OSgold or any of the others fit into the picture? How can they be members? Why is their support even needed? If the service provided by the eCTA is valuable, people will use it even if the pig headed mangement of foundering currencies refuse to support it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
--- Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything that has much to do with OSGold. Yeah. I know that is the reason. The more relevant question is - Which user's business do they value more? By choosing OSGold over e-gold they seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the currency so that they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the currency issuer. Nonsense, what a stupid statement. You are inferring that e-gold users can't take advantage of the eCTA because e-gold management choose not to answer correspondence to the eCTA. Wake up! The eCTA is not promoting currencies, it is helping users to choose suppliers of currency. E-gold's poor customer service policies make no difference to the efficacy of the eCTA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: New Kid On The Block
-Original Message- From: Michael Moore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 17 June 2001 1:28 PM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] New Kid On The Block And who determines the validity of the eCTA (eCurrency Trade Association)what recourse is the against eCTA if they fail in their duty. Sir, The eCTA has been given the support of goldmoney, osgold and Standard Reserve at the time of writing and there are 13 Market makers, Exchange Providers and Cambios currently undergoing the strict verification process required to be a member in good standing. In addition as per the terms conditions of membership in the eCTA, any member found to be breaching the code of conduct or Charter of the eCTA will suffer disciplinary measures up to and including loss of membership depending on the severity of the case. Loss of membership also means loss of Accreditation. SNIP *Having* the support of OSgold casts serious aspersions on the credibility of the eCTA. *Not having* the support of e-Gold reinforces any negative impression this gives. I won't even attempt to rehash the former discussions this group has had on OSgold. Any interested person can simply search the archive for messages relating to OSgold. Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
The eCTA has been given the support of goldmoney, osgold and Standard Reserve So the eCTA has the support of a new-comer psuedo-GBC (150% backed, of which only 50% is gold) that offers guaranteed HYIPs, but not the support of a true GBC that has been active for 5 years. How is this supposed to bolster it's credibility? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
The eCTA has been given the support of goldmoney, osgold and Standard Reserve So the eCTA has the support of a new-comer psuedo-GBC (150% backed, of which only 50% is gold) that offers guaranteed HYIPs, but not the support of a true GBC that has been active for 5 years. How is this supposed to bolster it's credibility? Viking Coder I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything that has much to do with OSGold. FWIW, the eCTA crew appear to be decent, well-organized, and not a propaganda arm for hyips!! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 8:33 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block The eCTA has been given the support of goldmoney, osgold and Standard Reserve So the eCTA has the support of a new-comer psuedo-GBC (150% backed, of which only 50% is gold) that offers guaranteed HYIPs, but not the support of a true GBC that has been active for 5 years. How is this supposed to bolster it's credibility? Viking Coder I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything that has much to do with OSGold. FWIW, the eCTA crew appear to be decent, well-organized, and not a propaganda arm for hyips!! --- Great ventures create great mottos. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything that has much to do with OSGold. Yeah. I know that is the reason. The more relevant question is - Which user's business do they value more? By choosing OSGold over e-gold they seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the currency so that they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the currency issuer. FWIW, the eCTA crew appear to be decent, well-organized, and not a propaganda arm for hyips!! Yes, they do. I agree with you. I have personally met several of these people. They are very trustworthy. Which makes their stand on this issue very confusing. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
Viking, By choosing OSGold over e-gold they seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the currency so that they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the currency issuer. Actually, what is confusing for a large number of people are your comments. The eCTA did not CHOOSE any of the currencies nor EXCLUDE any currency. Invitations were sent out EQUALLY and OPENLY to everyone to join. E-gold did not reply. (Surprised?) OSGold, SR, and GM did. Actually, we place a higher value on the courtesy of replies, ability to communicate, and our chief concern, again, is DISTRIBUTING INFORMATION. The eCTA has no opinion of HYIP's. They are irrelevant to the goals of the eCTA. If it is proven that OSGold is something less than what they claim to be, then they risk losing accreditation just as the MM's, EA's and Cambios do. (As would e-gold IF they decided to join. Equality for everyone!) By the way, if e-gold is SO anti-HYIP, Viking, can you please explain to this list what has accounted for a large share of e-gold's growth and exposure? I can...HYIP's, the art scams, e-Biz, the Persian rugs scams, e-Biz, the Egyptian artifact scams, e-Biz, Matrix programs, e-Biz, gifting programs, e-Biz, and the gold casino (is that not another HYIP?) Place a bet (invest your money) pull the handle (send in your info) and watch for a few cherries (watch for a few cherries=payout!) I find it amusing how suddenly the world (or a very small number of vocals) claim e-gold is anti-HYIP'S. Become a Market Maker and learn the truth. In the mean time, lets let the eCTA get off the cyber-ground before we pick it apart for allowing ALL gbc's the opportunity to belong. E-gold made the choice you talk about, not eCTA. Thanks for allowing me to set the record straight on that point. Eric - Original Message - From: Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block I think the bottom line is e-gold won't put up a link to anything that has much to do with OSGold. Yeah. I know that is the reason. The more relevant question is - Which user's business do they value more? By choosing OSGold over e-gold they seem to be placing a higher value on people who use the currency so that they can participate in guaranteed HYIPs offered by the currency issuer. FWIW, the eCTA crew appear to be decent, well-organized, and not a propaganda arm for hyips!! Yes, they do. I agree with you. I have personally met several of these people. They are very trustworthy. Which makes their stand on this issue very confusing. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
I find it amusing how suddenly the world (or a very small number of vocals) claim e-gold is anti-HYIP'S. Become a Market Maker and learn the truth. You're confusing official endorsment of HYIPs, (like OSGold), with an official policy which may permit them to function without an official endorsement. This is a big difference. An HYIP is committing fraud when it 'guarantees' customers' money -- and OSGold explicitly does this. What do you think is going to happen to your OSGold account when OSGold defaults on one of their 'guaranteed' HYIPs? There is not enough money in the world to 'guarantee' an HYIP. One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment. -- Ayn Rand (God Herself) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
Craig, You're confusing official endorsement of HYIPs, (like OSGold), with an official policy which may permit them to function without an official endorsement. This is a big difference. My fault. I think you cleared that up for me. So, e-gold only ALLOWS HYIP's to operate in their system, they do not officially endorse them. Kind of like how prison guards sometimes allow drugs, rape, and murder but do not officially endorse them? There is not enough money in the world to 'guarantee' an HYIP. Since this is true (I could not agree with you more, Amigo!) then e-gold allows HYIP's to operate in their system despite knowing that the suckers who invest will be bilked of their funds. But because they do not OFFICIALLY endorse these, that is okay. Let the scammers and fraudsters set up shop, steal LOTS of money, then shut down and walk away. Hmmm... So, if I want to open up shop and run another e-Biz which had 30,000 members when it crashed I can as long as I don't expect an official endorsement from e-gold, correct? Give me a few days...:0) What was that saying again?? One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment. -- Ayn Rand (God Herself) Eric (STILL opposed to all HYIP's (scams) in ANY currency!) - Original Message - From: SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:38 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block I find it amusing how suddenly the world (or a very small number of vocals) claim e-gold is anti-HYIP'S. Become a Market Maker and learn the truth. You're confusing official endorsment of HYIPs, (like OSGold), with an official policy which may permit them to function without an official endorsement. This is a big difference. An HYIP is committing fraud when it 'guarantees' customers' money -- and OSGold explicitly does this. What do you think is going to happen to your OSGold account when OSGold defaults on one of their 'guaranteed' HYIPs? There is not enough money in the world to 'guarantee' an HYIP. One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment. -- Ayn Rand (God Herself) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
Osopps offers proven investments (see http://www.osopps.com ). There is no mention of High Yield investments. Are you saying that it is impossible to guarantee an investment? Eve -Original Message- From: SnowDog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 9:38 PM To: e-gold Discussion Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block I find it amusing how suddenly the world (or a very small number of vocals) claim e-gold is anti-HYIP'S. Become a Market Maker and learn the truth. You're confusing official endorsment of HYIPs, (like OSGold), with an official policy which may permit them to function without an official endorsement. This is a big difference. An HYIP is committing fraud when it 'guarantees' customers' money -- and OSGold explicitly does this. What do you think is going to happen to your OSGold account when OSGold defaults on one of their 'guaranteed' HYIPs? There is not enough money in the world to 'guarantee' an HYIP. One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment. -- Ayn Rand (God Herself) Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
There is not enough money in the world to 'guarantee' an HYIP. Since this is true (I could not agree with you more, Amigo!) then e-gold allows HYIP's to operate in their system despite knowing that the suckers who invest will be bilked of their funds. But because they do not OFFICIALLY endorse these, that is okay. Let the scammers and fraudsters set up shop, steal LOTS of money, then shut down and walk away. Hmmm... How would you stop it while maintaining the non-repudiation policy? How does Western Union stop international money laundering? They can't. It's an aspect of their business. How do chauffered limousine services stop illegal cocaine use in the backseat? They can't. It's an aspect of their business. This isn't the same thing as if they provided their customers with complimentary cocaine. That would be a crime. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
Osopps offers proven investments (see http://www.osopps.com ). There is no mention of High Yield investments. Are you saying that it is impossible to guarantee an investment? What is the interest on their guaranteed investments? If the interest rate is higher than a typical bank loan, then YES, it can't be guaranteed because there is no source of guaranteed income from their uses of the money. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
Osopps offers proven investments (see http://www.osopps.com ). There is no mention of High Yield investments. Are you saying that it is impossible to guarantee an investment? It is possible for anybody to guarantee anything. What's at issue is, what's the guarantee worth and where is the substance to back it up? Ultimately, a bank or government guarantee can even be worthless as has been proven many, many times. offshoresurfer --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
On 17 Jun 2001, at 21:28, Eric J. Gaither wrote: By the way, if e-gold is SO anti-HYIP, Viking, can you please explain to this list what has accounted for a large share of e-gold's growth and exposure? The problem is not with WHO uses the eCurrencies. Issuers should not be there to police the world. The problem is with the Issuer. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
the goal of the eCTA is to promote the overall growth of the Gold Economy not just the e-Gold Economy. This is a good thing. There are more GBCs than just e-gold. Free-market competition is a very good thing. It will help the entire Gold Economy become more than just a bunch of libertarians, gold-bugs, and scammers. The eCTA does not/will not dictate who may/may not support the effort. (Why would we want to?) How would you feel about receiving public support from the Yakuza, or the Chinese Tongs? How about NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association)? How about support from known crooked politicians? These are all very extreme examples, but they do illustrate why any person, corporation, or alliance would want to be careful about who publicly supports them. Another more personal, and again very extreme, example would be... Would you want to have a known repeat-offense child molester as a primary reference when applying for a job at a child-care facility? This does not mean that the eCTA promotes their HYIP's any more than it will promote the hundreds (if not thousands) that are run out of e-gold to this day. How many of these HYIPs are guaranteed by e-gold ltd.? How many were started and run by e-gold ltd.? Ask any e-gold MM to tell you what their clients are doing with the e-gold they purchase. Why does it matter what e-gold is used for? National currencies have been, and still are, used to pay for contracted murders. What a currency is used for by independent individuals is of no concern to the credibility of the currency. However, if the issuer of the currency is unstable, then there is cause for concern. The problems people see with the USD have nothing to do with how people use it. These people don't care that the money has been used to pay for murders, pre-teen prostitutes, etc... They care that is issued by a bumbling bloated government and that it is only backed by the word of that government. How many businesses accept it so far after five years, Viking? Quite a lot. Quite a lot more would be much appreciated. How far has their credibility taken them with the world's household name Merchants? I think the main reason e-gold isn't accepted by 'household names' is the fact that e-gold isn't dollar-based. That is the only real problem most serious business I've talked to have with e-gold. They don't want to deal with multiple currencies. When they accept a payment for $50, they want it to remain $50. They can handle the fraud the excess transaction fees because that's what they've always done. Credibility will come with time I normally ascribe enough credibility to any new venture to give it a serious try. However, before I even got a chance to consider it, OSGold started chiseling away at that credibility. I have no issues with the fact that HYIPs use OSGold. I don't even have any overwhelming issues with them basing their system on USD. They aren't a true GBC, why should I have a problem with them being based on USD? The serious problem I have is that they guarantee the returns of HYIPs that they start and run. and realignment of their backing. Huh? So after a couple of years in operation they are going to say Oh, We've decided to be 100% backed by hard metal after all. Why not do it from the start like GoldMoney Standard Reserve did? If you are unhappy with their backing strategy, cool, don't use their system. I don't. As I said above, their backing strategy isn't the real problem. Does that mean that others should not be allowed to use OSGold just because you and e-gold do not care for them? No. People have the right to do whatever they like. I like to make my opinions known. But remember, five years and 1 day previous to today no one had heard of e-gold nor did it have any credibility. They slowly built it over time. Just like every other legitimate company has. Just like you did. I had never heard of e-gold 15 months ago. I have been a Market Maker for exactly 13 months now. Did you talk to anybody before seriously using e-gold? Did you decide to become a market maker after just looking at their website? Did their 3 1/2 year track record mean nothing to your decision to become a market maker? However, you tell me, does Gaithmans have any credibility in the Gold Community? Yes. In my opinion, you are one of the most credible MMs that are around. One last question. What is the eCTA going to do if OSGold cannot live up to it's HYIP guarantee, and causes exchange providers (of all types) to not be able to fulfill exchange requests? This is not a problem for GoldMoney, Standard Reserve, or e-gold because none of them guarantee HYIPs. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
the gold casino (is that not another HYIP?) Umm... No. I don't consider the lottery ticket on my desk to be my retirement fund. A HYIP is a High Yield **Investment** Program. Yes, we all now that actually means you are putting your money in for a crap shoot, but that is not how they are presented. Anybody who considers a casino an investment program has a good shot of being elected the next president of the United States of America. I find it amusing how suddenly the world (or a very small number of vocals) claim e-gold is anti-HYIP'S. Become a Market Maker and learn the truth. As I have said time, and time again - There is a major difference between the currency being used for HYIPs and the currency issuer starting, running, and guaranteeing a HYIP. When was the last time that e-gold ltd. offered a guaranteed HYIP? Thanks for allowing me to set the record straight on that point. Thanks for allowing me to make my opinions known. However, neither one of us could have stopped the other. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New Kid On The Block
So, e-gold only ALLOWS HYIP's to operate in their system, they do not officially endorse them. Kind of like how prison guards sometimes allow drugs, rape, and murder but do not officially endorse them? Does this mean that the US government allows pre-teen prostitution, drug use, and contracted murder because the US dollar is used for said actions? We are not talking about splinter factions of intelligence organizations here. e-gold allows HYIP's to operate in their system despite knowing that the suckers who invest will be bilked of their funds. Because e-gold ltd. don't require the work history, credit card numbers, and list of every sexual parter to obtain an account, and then don't require notarized triplicate forms to spend between accounts, HYIPs can operate very easily. This does not constitute e-gold's open invitation to HYIPs to do what they do best. Just because I can go steal your car doesn't mean you'll allow me to, does it? Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
