[e-gold-list] Re: OSRecovery progress

2003-06-13 Thread Ben Legume

The OSRecovery civil suit is getting 
interesting. Suffice to say that the
core defendants are now being pursued 
vigorously, and the co-defendants,
less so. I have had a number of lengthy phone 
conferences with the plaintiffs lawyers this 
week, about this and other issues.

Again, weren't you one of the respondents (core 
or otherwise) or am I incorrect in my 
recollection?

What are the major lessons for me, and 
ultimately, all of us? Primarily, don't have an 
office in the US. (A good percentage of Fortune 
500 companies have now re-located offshore... 
what does that tell you?) If the legal system in 
the US targets innocent business people, it's, 
uhhh, time for a change  throw some more 
shrimps on the barbie, as Paul Hogan used to 
say! This is purely a safety/longevity issue.

Huh? I'm missing something here. Are you 
suggesting the main problem with dealing with a 
ponzi scam is that if you are in the US you can 
be sued there? That almost sounds like you are 
defending the crooks as victims of the legal 
system!

And by the same token, years of dealing with 
the massively flawed US banking transfer system 
has educated us that it's not a pleasant
experience, nor a safe one, especially not a 
reliable one. And that was BEFORE 9/11. I will 
personally assist any of our customers who have 
a US bank account, to replace it with a 
UK/European bank or similar. In any case, it's 
not that difficult, if you can show normal ID  
have benign interests. In other words, just be a 
normal person (whatever that entails!)

Huh? What have flaws in the banking system got 
to do with anything?

Cheers!

Graham Kelly CEO



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[e-gold-list] Re: OSRecovery progress

2003-06-12 Thread Graham Kelly
Ben,

LOL! I'll try to not lecture anyone on this crazy issue, as it's been
discussed thoroughly. And besides, I'm the least PIOUS person I know! AND
I don't think all lawyers are crooks... they just naturally evolve that
way, nature of the beast, so to speak. (Some of my best friends are
lawyers!)

The OSRecovery civil suit is getting interesting. Suffice to say that the
core defendants are now being pursued vigorously, and the co-defendants,
less so. I have had a number of lengthy phone conferences with the
plaintiffs lawyers this week, about this and other issues.

What are the major lessons for me, and ultimately, all of us?

Primarily, don't have an office in the US. (A good percentage of Fortune
500 companies have now re-located offshore... what does that tell you?)
If the legal system in the US targets innocent business people, it's,
uhhh, time for a change  throw some more shrimps on the barbie, as Paul
Hogan used to say! This is purely a safety/longevity issue.

And by the same token, years of dealing with the massively flawed US
banking transfer system has educated us that it's not a pleasant
experience, nor a safe one, especially not a reliable one. And that was
BEFORE 9/11. I will personally assist any of our customers who have a US
bank account, to replace it with a UK/European bank or similar. In any
case, it's not that difficult, if you can show normal ID  have benign
interests. In other words, just be a normal person (whatever that
entails!)

Cheers!

Graham Kelly CEO


On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 11:25:38 +1000, Ben Legume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 All you have to do is go here
 http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/courtweb/public.htm

 connected with the original scam trying to get 
 blood out of a stone.
 
 I am fully expecting another pious lecture from 
 Graham in a few months along the lines of 'How 
 were we to know the OSrecovery lawyers were just 
 scammers after more money?' and lecture us on 
 what a cheap lesson it was to him that all 
 lawyers are crooks.
 
 Besides, wasn't he one of the main targets of 
 the lawsuit, or has that been amended out?

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