[ECOLOG-L] GPS grid question -- replies!

2010-06-28 Thread L Quinn
Dear list,

I received a lot of great hints for marking a grid in the field using GPS 
methods. Thanks to everyone who replied off-list!! A few people asked me to 
share the replies, so I thought I'd compile them and post them here for all to 
see. 

Thanks again, all.

Lauren Quinn






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You can probably create a track by walking the grid once, save it, 
and then reload it to use it as a template for where to walk again.  






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Hi Lauren, 
One 
thing to consider is the accuracy of the gps unit. The positional error 
associated with a garmin can be a couple meters, especially if you are 
moving around. If you are working on a fine scale you may want to stick 
with measuring tapes. Good luck on your project. 






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Hello,

>From my limited use of GPS units, I do not believe that 
you will achieve anywhere near the accuracy you desire, using a handheld
 Etrex. There are several factors to consider, and you would probably 
find the GPS solutions either too cumbersome or too expensive. I will 
leave it to the experts to advise you further on the model you would 
need to achieve that accuracy.

You would probably do better with 
getting good maps for wherever you go, and then using a compass 
(compensate for magnetic versus true north) and your GPS to navigate the
 area. If you are concerned about covering the same ground twice by 
mistake, you can use a marking system to show where you have been (we 
used toilet paper draped on low bushes in Minnesota. It's biodegradable 
and will disappear the first time it rains). I would concentrate more on
 the goal of the sampling system (achieve separation between 
samples/cover the entire area) rather than focusing on whether I was in 
exactly the right grid spot (unless that is the essential goal, hard to 
say without knowing more details).
One final tip. If you know the 
spacing, instead of using a measuring tape it may be quicker to 
pre-measure a length of rope (one that doesn't stretch or shrink when it
 gets wet) and use that in the field. Works better when you have a 
person on either end of the rope.
Also, consider an infra-red range 
finder.

Test your GPS in an open sports field. Walk the marked 
lines and see how accurate the resulting GPS track is. That will give 
you a rough idea of the accuracy you can expect.

Good luck!






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Lauren,




It is possible to do what you are asking, but it is not easy. It 
would be easier to arrive at your starting location, project one 
waypoint in the direction you want to go (along a desired grid line), do
 a "go to" to the projected point, and walk offsets of 0m, 20, 40, etc. 
from the "go to" line. I suggest you read your garmin manual about these
 topics, as I could not explain all of this from scratch to a 
5-year-old.








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Fri 6/18/10 7:48 PM


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Dear Lauren,
 
I used to use a similar method for generating transects for surveying 
birds with an eTrex Legend.  I used Garmin's MapSource software (which 
is simple and inexpensive) to program routes and then would sync them 
with the GPS.  You could create a grid simply using a series of 
intersecting, straight-line routes.  I would also use a feature in the 
GPS (I think the eTrex can do this but I can't remember for sure) called 
"project waypoint."  After marking a waypoint, you can use the editing 
tool for the waypoint and move the point by designating a starting 
point, a distance, and a bearing.  This was an easy way of creating 
transects on the fly.  Projecting a waypoint can be done anywhere as 
long as you have a reference point for your field site.  I'm not sure if 
that is clear or helpful or quite what you need.  If you would like 
further details or help, please let me know.
 






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Hi Lauren,



You can load lines onto your Garmin
unit as tracks -- the best way to do it is using a free program called
DNR Garmin created by Minnesota DNR (can download online).  If you
can use ArcGIS to generate a fishnet grid (XTools does this easily) 
shapefile
for your study area, you can bring this into DNRGarmin, then save it as
a track file with a .gpx extension.  This

Re: [ECOLOG-L] GPS grid question

2010-06-19 Thread David Miceli
Hi Lauren,

What you are trying to do is actually quite easy to accomplish as long as
you have access to ArcMap.  You can use the "generate regular points" tool
included in Hawth's Analysis tools (
http://www.spatialecology.com/htools/regpnts.php).  Once you have generated
the points, you can load them onto your Garmin using another program called
DNRgarmin (
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mis/gis/tools/arcview/extensions/DNRGarmin/DNRGarmin.html).
Both of these programs are relatively simple to use and shouldn't be too
difficult to figure out.  If you still need step by step instructions let me
know and I can try to help.

The only problem I see with your plan is that the Garmin eTrex Vista is not
as precise as you may need.  The precision on Garmin units I have used is
often up around 12m which would make it difficult to sample a grid spaced at
only 20m.  On a clear day with good satellite reception your precision may
be acceptable but I am not sure if I would design my sampling plan to rely
on the GPS unit.  I would at least use flagging to ensure you sample the
same locations each time you sample. Hope this helps.

Good Luck!

Dave Miceli

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM, L Quinn  wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> I need to sample plants in a regularly-spaced grid pattern. I'd like to use
> my Garmin eTrex Vista GPS unit to help me stay in the grid pattern while I'm
> walking around in the grassland, but I don't know how to do this. One
> problem is that I won't know exactly where I'll be sampling ahead of time,
> so I can't load in detailed maps with overlaid grids (and I don't know how
> to do that, either!).
>
> Is there an easy way to get the Garmin to generate a fine-grained grid
> (e.g. 20 m between points) wherever I happen to be standing in the world
> (I'll be in Japan)? Or am I stuck with reeling out measuring tapes? This is
> difficult in the system I'm sampling, as the plants are generally very tall
> and hard to navigate through.
>
> Any and all suggestions are appreciated, especially if they are written as
> instructions to a 5-year-old. All I've used my GPS unit for in the past is
> marking waypoints and recording tracks.
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Lauren Quinn
>
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[ECOLOG-L] GPS grid question

2010-06-18 Thread L Quinn
Dear list,

I need to sample plants in a regularly-spaced grid pattern. I'd like to use my 
Garmin eTrex Vista GPS unit to help me stay in the grid pattern while I'm 
walking around in the grassland, but I don't know how to do this. One problem 
is that I won't know exactly where I'll be sampling ahead of time, so I can't 
load in detailed maps with overlaid grids (and I don't know how to do that, 
either!). 

Is there an easy way to get the Garmin to generate a fine-grained grid (e.g. 20 
m between points) wherever I happen to be standing in the world (I'll be in 
Japan)? Or am I stuck with reeling out measuring tapes? This is difficult in 
the system I'm sampling, as the plants are generally very tall and hard to 
navigate through.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated, especially if they are written as 
instructions to a 5-year-old. All I've used my GPS unit for in the past is 
marking waypoints and recording tracks.  

Thank you!!

Lauren Quinn 
  
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