Re: biostatistics careers
I was about to respond along the same lines, but with genomics and genetic epidemiology entering the picture there's a certain truth to it. OTOH, not so much that I would characterize the field that way. Jerrold Zar wrote: > > Dennis Roberts: > > I wonder what makes you say what you did below. Are there some > biostatistics textbooks that have given you that impression? > > >>> Dennis Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/19/01 10:48AM >>> > > > > BW> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: > > > > >> What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I > > >> realized I have only a vague idea. > > well, one difference in bio stat is a strong emphasis on probability > sorts > of problems ... = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
Re: biostatistics careers
Dennis Roberts: I wonder what makes you say what you did below. Are there some biostatistics textbooks that have given you that impression? Jerrold H. Zar, Professor Department of Biological Sciences Northern Illinois University DeKalb, IL 60115 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Dennis Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/19/01 10:48AM >>> > > BW> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: > > >> What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I > >> realized I have only a vague idea. well, one difference in bio stat is a strong emphasis on probability sorts of problems ... dennis roberts, educational psychology, penn state university 208 cedar, AC 8148632401, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/drober~1.htm = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
Re: biostatistics careers
On 19 Nov 2001 20:56:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A.J. Rossini) wrote: > > "RS" == Richard Seymann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > RS> And if I may muddy the waters even more, what is the > RS> difference between biostatistics and biometry? Dick > > Depends on which definition of "biometry" you are using. One > definition used to be an older name for what is now biostatistics (and > what might again become biometry, according to how some in the field > want to rename it again to make it more relevant to measurement and > design). That's a nice murky response, which shows how our language > is ill-defined. > > There are other definitions, which have little to do with statistics. I was a little startled by my google search. "Definition of biometry" gets the Cornell Department of Biometrics, and a couple of other things, among only 6 hits. "Definition of biometrics" returns dozens of references to security systems, fingerprints and retinal scans, etc. That is a definition that seems to be winning out, owing to its new, computerized, commercial potential. There were no hits that would make me think of the journal named Biometrika, which I remember as being highly mathematical. -- Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
Re: biostatistics careers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stan Brown) wrote: > What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I > realized I have only a vague idea. A very bright professor once told me that organic chemistry is what organic chemists do. I think that definition can be readily adapted to biostatistics. Xho -- http://NewsReader.Com/ Usenet Newsgroup Service = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
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> "RS" == Richard Seymann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RS> And if I may muddy the waters even more, what is the RS> difference between biostatistics and biometry? Dick Depends on which definition of "biometry" you are using. One definition used to be an older name for what is now biostatistics (and what might again become biometry, according to how some in the field want to rename it again to make it more relevant to measurement and design). That's a nice murky response, which shows how our language is ill-defined. There are other definitions, which have little to do with statistics. best, -tony -- A.J. RossiniRsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics [EMAIL PROTECTED] FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ -- FHCRC: M-W: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: T-Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX Rosen: (Mullins' Lab) Fridays, and I'm unreachable except by email. = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
RE: biostatistics careers
And if I may muddy the waters even more, what is the difference between biostatistics and biometry? Dick ___ Richard G. Seymann, Ph.D. Professor of Statistics Director of Academic Assessment Director of the Westover Honors Program Lynchburg College, Lynchburg, VA 24501 Phone: (804)544-8258, Fax: (804)544-8658 -Original Message- From: Rich Ulrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: biostatistics careers On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:07:33 -0500, Bruce Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: > > > What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I > > realized I have only a vague idea. > > > There was a thread on "biostatistics versus statistics" a couple years > ago, I think, but I was unable to find it at google groups. Maybe someone > out there saved some of it. groups.google.com on < biostatistics statistics > - I found a couple of notes, within the top 100. There were several comments on 23 Feb 2000 with the subject line, "re:biostatistics". They mention that medical background is important. And vocabulary. Also, as I vaguely remembered, I personally had answered a similar question, on 18 Feb 1998: === from my 1998 comment: - There are a couple of dozen or so U.S. universities that include a "Graduate School of Public Health." Here at the University of Pittsburgh, it is the GSPH that awards a degree in biostatistics. The course work for the degree does include courses which would not be required for "statistics" as I imagine it - epidemiology (chronic vs acute diseases), vital statistics, health services administration. [ ... ] === end of 1998 citation -- Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ = = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
Re: biostatistics careers
On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:07:33 -0500, Bruce Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: > > > What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I > > realized I have only a vague idea. > > > There was a thread on "biostatistics versus statistics" a couple years > ago, I think, but I was unable to find it at google groups. Maybe someone > out there saved some of it. groups.google.com on < biostatistics statistics > - I found a couple of notes, within the top 100. There were several comments on 23 Feb 2000 with the subject line, "re:biostatistics". They mention that medical background is important. And vocabulary. Also, as I vaguely remembered, I personally had answered a similar question, on 18 Feb 1998: === from my 1998 comment: - There are a couple of dozen or so U.S. universities that include a "Graduate School of Public Health." Here at the University of Pittsburgh, it is the GSPH that awards a degree in biostatistics. The course work for the degree does include courses which would not be required for "statistics" as I imagine it - epidemiology (chronic vs acute diseases), vital statistics, health services administration. [ ... ] === end of 1998 citation -- Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
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> "DR" == Dennis Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DR> At 03:08 PM 11/19/01 +, A.J. Rossini wrote: >> > "BW" == Bruce Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> writes: >> BW> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: >> >> What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I >> >> realized I have only a vague idea. >> >> BW> There was a thread on "biostatistics versus statistics" a BW> couple years ago, I think, but I was unable to find it at BW> google groups. Maybe someone out there saved some of it. >> >> >> But it's much easier than that. Biostatistics is simply >> statistics (design, descriptive, and inferential) applied to >> medical, basic biology, and public health problems. DR> well, one difference in bio stat is a strong emphasis on DR> probability sorts of problems ... Hah! So you think... -- A.J. RossiniRsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics [EMAIL PROTECTED] FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ -- FHCRC: M-W: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: T-Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX Rosen: (Mullins' Lab) Fridays, and I'm unreachable except by email. = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
Re: biostatistics careers
At 03:08 PM 11/19/01 +, A.J. Rossini wrote: > > "BW" == Bruce Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > BW> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: > > >> What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I > >> realized I have only a vague idea. > > > BW> There was a thread on "biostatistics versus statistics" a > BW> couple years ago, I think, but I was unable to find it at > BW> google groups. Maybe someone out there saved some of it. > > >But it's much easier than that. Biostatistics is simply statistics >(design, descriptive, and inferential) applied to medical, basic >biology, and public health problems. well, one difference in bio stat is a strong emphasis on probability sorts of problems ... _ dennis roberts, educational psychology, penn state university 208 cedar, AC 8148632401, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://roberts.ed.psu.edu/users/droberts/drober~1.htm = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
Re: biostatistics careers
> "BW" == Bruce Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: BW> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001, Stan Brown wrote: >> What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I >> realized I have only a vague idea. BW> There was a thread on "biostatistics versus statistics" a BW> couple years ago, I think, but I was unable to find it at BW> google groups. Maybe someone out there saved some of it. But it's much easier than that. Biostatistics is simply statistics (design, descriptive, and inferential) applied to medical, basic biology, and public health problems. So while a decent biostatistician need only concern themselves with knowing all of statistics (which of course requires knowledge of most of computer science and mathematics), as well as one or two of the above scientific areas, a truly good one will know most science and study related to medicine (which of course should include biochemistry, economics, clinical trials, etc). I'm only being slightly facetious. I've come across the need to know parts of nearly all of the areas mentioned above in my work, both to communicate with as well as handle data analyses appropriately for clients and colleagues. best, -tony -- A.J. RossiniRsrch. Asst. Prof. of Biostatistics U. of Washington Biostatistics [EMAIL PROTECTED] FHCRC/SCHARP/HIV Vaccine Trials Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://software.biostat.washington.edu/ -- FHCRC: M-W: 206-667-7025 (fax=4812)|Voicemail is pretty sketchy/use Email UW: T-Th: 206-543-1044 (fax=3286)|Change last 4 digits of phone to FAX Rosen: (Mullins' Lab) Fridays, and I'm unreachable except by email. = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
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What _is_ "biostatistics", anyway? A student asked me, and I realized I have only a vague idea. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA http://oakroadsystems.com My reply address is correct as is. The courtesy of providing a correct reply address is more important to me than time spent deleting spam. = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks about the problem of INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGES are available at http://jse.stat.ncsu.edu/ =
