Re: Cramer-von-Mises Criterion

2001-12-10 Thread Clay S. Turner


You have probably thought of this, but the age old standard is the Chi
Square test.

One thing about empirical distributions is that they may not be one of
the standard forms.  This is why the Jackknife method and then later the
Bootstrapping methods were developed. Thus you can extract the
distribution for your data set.

Clay



Chia C Chong wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Any idea where can I get good reference about the Cramer-von-Mises
> criterion??
> 
> I am trying to test the goodness-of-fit between the some theoretical
> distributions with the emprical distribution om my data.
> 
> Any other suggestions on goodness-of-fit tests are welcomed and
> appreciated
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Cheers,
> CCC



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Re: Cramer-von-Mises Criterion

2001-12-10 Thread Chia C Chong

Hi!!

Thanks for your reply...do you mean that Jackknife and Bootstrapping methods
area also some kind of goodness-of-fit tests??

Cheers,
CCC

"Clay S. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> You have probably thought of this, but the age old standard is the Chi
> Square test.
>
> One thing about empirical distributions is that they may not be one of
> the standard forms.  This is why the Jackknife method and then later the
> Bootstrapping methods were developed. Thus you can extract the
> distribution for your data set.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> Chia C Chong wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Any idea where can I get good reference about the Cramer-von-Mises
> > criterion??
> >
> > I am trying to test the goodness-of-fit between the some theoretical
> > distributions with the emprical distribution om my data.
> >
> > Any other suggestions on goodness-of-fit tests are welcomed and
> > appreciated
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > CCC
>




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Re: Cramer-von-Mises Criterion

2001-12-10 Thread Clay S. Turner

Hello Chia,
No actually they are used to extract the distribution from the data. 
They do this by a process known as resampling.

Clay



Chia C Chong wrote:
> 
> Hi!!
> 
> Thanks for your reply...do you mean that Jackknife and Bootstrapping methods
> area also some kind of goodness-of-fit tests??
> 
> Cheers,
> CCC
> 
> "Clay S. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > You have probably thought of this, but the age old standard is the Chi
> > Square test.
> >
> > One thing about empirical distributions is that they may not be one of
> > the standard forms.  This is why the Jackknife method and then later the
> > Bootstrapping methods were developed. Thus you can extract the
> > distribution for your data set.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> >
> >
> > Chia C Chong wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Any idea where can I get good reference about the Cramer-von-Mises
> > > criterion??
> > >
> > > I am trying to test the goodness-of-fit between the some theoretical
> > > distributions with the emprical distribution om my data.
> > >
> > > Any other suggestions on goodness-of-fit tests are welcomed and
> > > appreciated
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > CCC
> >



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Re: Cramer-von-Mises Criterion

2001-12-11 Thread Chia C Chong

Thanks...

CCC

"Clay S. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Hello Chia,
> No actually they are used to extract the distribution from the data.
> They do this by a process known as resampling.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> Chia C Chong wrote:
> >
> > Hi!!
> >
> > Thanks for your reply...do you mean that Jackknife and Bootstrapping
methods
> > area also some kind of goodness-of-fit tests??
> >
> > Cheers,
> > CCC
> >
> > "Clay S. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > You have probably thought of this, but the age old standard is the Chi
> > > Square test.
> > >
> > > One thing about empirical distributions is that they may not be one of
> > > the standard forms.  This is why the Jackknife method and then later
the
> > > Bootstrapping methods were developed. Thus you can extract the
> > > distribution for your data set.
> > >
> > > Clay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chia C Chong wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > Any idea where can I get good reference about the Cramer-von-Mises
> > > > criterion??
> > > >
> > > > I am trying to test the goodness-of-fit between the some theoretical
> > > > distributions with the emprical distribution om my data.
> > > >
> > > > Any other suggestions on goodness-of-fit tests are welcomed and
> > > > appreciated
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > CCC
> > >
>




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Re: Cramer-von-Mises Criterion

2001-12-12 Thread Michael London

An introduction to mathematical statistics by Bain and Engelhart deals with
this topic

ML

"Clay S. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
> You have probably thought of this, but the age old standard is the Chi
> Square test.
>
> One thing about empirical distributions is that they may not be one of
> the standard forms.  This is why the Jackknife method and then later the
> Bootstrapping methods were developed. Thus you can extract the
> distribution for your data set.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> Chia C Chong wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > Any idea where can I get good reference about the Cramer-von-Mises
> > criterion??
> >
> > I am trying to test the goodness-of-fit between the some theoretical
> > distributions with the emprical distribution om my data.
> >
> > Any other suggestions on goodness-of-fit tests are welcomed and
> > appreciated
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > CCC
>




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Re: Cramer-von-Mises Criterion

2001-12-12 Thread Herman Rubin

In article <9v89fi$7e7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael London <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>An introduction to mathematical statistics by Bain and Engelhart deals with
>this topic

>ML

>"Clay S. Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> You have probably thought of this, but the age old standard is the Chi
>> Square test.

For testing goodness of fit to a distribution, the 
chi-squared test has very low power.  If there are
parameters to be estimated, the asymptotic distribution
is not chi-squared, but can be calculated numerically
fairly easily by using the moment generating function
as an analytic function.

>> One thing about empirical distributions is that they may not be one of
>> the standard forms.  This is why the Jackknife method and then later the
>> Bootstrapping methods were developed. Thus you can extract the
>> distribution for your data set.

Tests like the chi-squared test, the Kolmogorov-Smirnov
test, the Cramer-von Mises test, can test fit to a
parametric family, or whether two samples come from
the same distribution.  If the forms are not "standard",
one can compare the deviation with samples form the
assumed distribution; this is far better than anything
like the jackknife or the bootstrap, and does not require
asymptotics to be used.  There is no way that anyone
can extract the analytic form of a distribution from
which data has been sampled from a finite amount of data.

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