Re: [Ekiga-list] Fwd: How do I video chat with Windows users?

[Palo S .]

I tried Ekiga on Linux with Ekiga on Windows, video did not work at all, sound 
worked usually for several minutes only - suddenly, it began to give you only 
loud \"knocking\" at both ends... I did not have access to the Windows end 
(probably responsible for the problem) so I could not see the -d output from 
Windows machine...





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Re: [Ekiga-list] Fwd: How do I video chat with Windows users?

[yannick]

Le mardi 24 juillet 2007 à 09:50 +0200, Palo S. a écrit :
> I tried Ekiga on Linux with Ekiga on Windows, video did not work at all, 
> sound worked usually for several minutes only - suddenly, it began to give 
> you only loud \"knocking\" at both ends... I did not have access to the 
> Windows end (probably responsible for the problem) so I could not see the -d 
> output from Windows machine...
> 
> 

Hi,

Did you try version 2.0.10 for windows?
http://ekiga.net/misc/ekiga-setup-2.0.10-BETA.exe

Regards,
Yannick

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[Ekiga-list] Fwd: Re: Re: Fwd: How do I video chat with Windows users?

[Palo S .]

> Did you try version 2.0.10 for windows?
> http://ekiga.net/misc/ekiga-setup-2.0.10-BETA.exe

No, it was 2.0.9 beta for Windows - I will tell my friend to install 2.0.10 
on his Windows machine and get back here soon!


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Re: [Ekiga-list] Fwd: How do I video chat with Windows users?

[Derek Wueppelmann]

On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 09:50 +0200, Palo S. wrote:
> I tried Ekiga on Linux with Ekiga on Windows, video did not work at all, 
> sound worked usually for several minutes only - suddenly, it began to give 
> you only loud \"knocking\" at both ends... I did not have access to the 
> Windows end (probably responsible for the problem) so I could not see the -d 
> output from Windows machine...

It was quite some time ago that I had actually done this, and I did
originally set the two systems up when I was on the same network and had
access to both of them. I'm probably going to be looking at this again
in the next week or so I can post what I find when I attempt it again
then.

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[Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[wo laoye]

the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online most of
the time.

will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?


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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[michel memeteau]

2007/7/24, wo laoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online most of
the time.

will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?



Funny question !  You are one of the guys that can make  it popular , we all
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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[ashley]

I'm sure I've seen something where you can see whose on line but never 
found it.
Ashley
> the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online most 
> of the time.
>
> will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?
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Re: [Ekiga-list] Fwd: How do I video chat with Windows users?

[gwenn]

Is it vista or XP? I also tried from linux to vista and it doesn' work
at all (no sound, no video)

Le mardi 24 juillet 2007 à 09:50 +0200, Palo S. a écrit :
> I tried Ekiga on Linux with Ekiga on Windows, video did not work at all, 
> sound worked usually for several minutes only - suddenly, it began to give 
> you only loud \"knocking\" at both ends... I did not have access to the 
> Windows end (probably responsible for the problem) so I could not see the -d 
> output from Windows machine...
> 
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[Ekiga-list] Registration and set-up should be more intuitive...

[Roman Antensteiner]

While I agree, it's not that difficult to understand - a friend and I
both had exactly the same problems setting things up.

 After you go through the installation process, you kind of assume that
you are getting registered, unless you read the small print carefully.
It would be nice if it was really clear that you are giving the
information to connect to an existing account, and not registering a new
one. I know it's there, but it should be shorter and clearer. Most
people don't read those things, and very likely you won't either. You
assume certain things. When I get asked for my full name, then username
and password - I assume I'm getting registered. Because I have never
encountered a log-in so far that asked me for anything besides Username
and Password. I wouldn't even point that out if my friend didn't fall
for the same fallacy a day later. I would suggest a short line like "If
you do NOT have an Ekiga Account yet, click HERE to register" Above the
fields where you enter your user information.

 Secondly, I believe I had to go into the Account settings to adjust the
settings after registration. They weren't set correctly by the druid.
And If someone, like me, never used SIP VOIP services, you cannot
possibly know what a "Registrar" Is supposed to be. After you have
registered it should say clearly what goes where in the account
settings.

 I am usually not nearly as picky with any other program, but since the
purpose of this program is to communicate with people, I want to be able
to tell my friends to install and register, without having to provide
them with the necessary information about SIP services.

 Also, a test call should be implemented. I've read on a couple of sites
"I've tried the ekiga test call..." But I couldn't find the address.
Anyway, it should be in the contacts by default. It's rather tedious to
find out if the audio settings are correct by calling someone.

I know this is a lot of criticism for one post. Please don't take it the
wrong way. I'm very excited that there is a native VOIP client for
gnome, and I had less trouble with it so far then I did with Open Wengo.
But the points I've listed are really mundane, and would make a big
difference in my opinion.

thanks for your time,
Roman A.

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[Ekiga-list] Conference room status

[Oliver Schinagl]

Hi, i was just wondering what the status is on converencing with ekiga
these days.

I know you can 'dial' into a preset server/channels, but does this work
'dumb user mode' too? I hate to bring up skype, but I'm thinking, right
click user, invite to converence. A simple message could be sent to the
user to join channel number XXX with pin YYY.

Also does ekiga work with video conference aswell? E.g. have more then 2
users see eachother via webcams? As that would be a 'killer feature' for
ekiga. I know you can't just host rooms for video aswell, as it al costs
a lot of bandwidth, and I know ekiga can't build mini servers into their
apps, like skype does, cause i belive it's an outrage that they do that.

Anyway, just sharing a few thoughts/questions.

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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[Oliver Schinagl]

My personal thought, no, never. Atleast the way I know/work with it not.
What ekiga is laking is a 'buddy list'. People like that, people want that.
So what you'd want is incorporate the video/voice capabilities of ekiga
in to pidgin. Then you have something that has a chance to compete with
skype. Add a whitelist directory and your good to go.
1 client to do it all, thought video/audio with other clients would have
to be reversed engineerd and shit like that.
Hey a person can dream right.

michel memeteau wrote:
>
>
> 2007/7/24, wo laoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
>
> the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online
> most of the time.
>
> will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?
>
>
> Funny question !  You are one of the guys that can make  it popular ,
> we all are ...
>
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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[arnuld]

> On 7/25/07, Oliver Schinagl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What ekiga is laking is a 'buddy list'. People like that, people want that.
> So what you'd want is incorporate the video/voice capabilities of ekiga
> in to pidgin. Then you have something that has a chance to compete with
> skype. Add a whitelist directory and your good to go.
> 1 client to do it all, thought video/audio with other clients would have
> to be reversed engineerd and shit like that.
> Hey a person can dream right.

i think a better idea will be building a jabber voice-chat client or
adding voice-chat facility to "gajim". we do not need to spend huge
amounts of time to reverse-engineer YAHOO or MSN protocols for
voice-chat. building on an OpenSource  protocol is a much better idea.

i am still not able to get any of my friends switch to Ekiga because
all of them are Windows users and for them (only for them,the Windows
users) it is very much difficult to set up Ekiga, the codecs, the
run-time environment, no buddy list, long start-up times (which
actually is connection time when Ekiga starts up :-)

but i see those users are switching away from YAHOO and Skype to
Google Talk because Google Talk is small in size (just 1.5 MB) and it
does not clutter and it is much easier to set-up + sound quality is
much better.  when new client with features like:

1.) better (or i should say good) sound quality
2.) buddy list (i hate YAHOO way)
3.) less cluttered
4.) a simple design, simple UI  (like Google Talk)
5.) lot less settings/preferences/features


then it will sweep the market like GNOME/KDE did to the Desktp market.
OpenSource protocols are  a much better alternative  than time-sucking
reverse engineering task. people do not want YAHOO, Skype or Google
Talk. they want to talk and i think doing simply this one thing will
be much better target. i also think following the UNIX way - do one
thing and do it well - will  lead to the resolution of problems. we do
not need to add Webcam features and load of other extra
functionalities and eye candy built into the IM. we can just focus on
1 task  --   Voice-Chat client and put our efforts and energy into
that.

BTW, i think Ekiga has one feature that none of the IM have, the audio
codecs for different bandwidth requirements and when everything fails
then Ekiga shines on a much lower bandwidth connection :-)


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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[yannick]

Le mardi 24 juillet 2007 à 16:50 -0400, Oliver Schinagl a écrit :
> My personal thought, no, never. Atleast the way I know/work with it not.
> What ekiga is laking is a 'buddy list'. People like that, people want that.
> So what you'd want is incorporate the video/voice capabilities of ekiga
> in to pidgin. Then you have something that has a chance to compete with
> skype. Add a whitelist directory and your good to go.
> 1 client to do it all, thought video/audio with other clients would have
> to be reversed engineerd and shit like that.
> Hey a person can dream right.

Hi,

You should read the roadmap:
http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Roadmap_to_3.00

Or have a look by yourself:
http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Image:Capture-Ekiga-SVN.png

Or even better, help coding it!

Regards,
Yannick

> 
> michel memeteau wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2007/7/24, wo laoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> >
> > the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online
> > most of the time.
> >
> > will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?
> >
> >
> > Funny question !  You are one of the guys that can make  it popular ,
> > we all are ...
> >
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Re: [Ekiga-list] Registration and set-up should be more intuitive...

[yannick]

Le mardi 24 juillet 2007 à 21:16 +0200, Roman Antensteiner a écrit :
> While I agree, it's not that difficult to understand - a friend and I
> both had exactly the same problems setting things up.
> 
>  After you go through the installation process, you kind of assume that
> you are getting registered, unless you read the small print carefully.
> It would be nice if it was really clear that you are giving the
> information to connect to an existing account, and not registering a new
> one. I know it's there, but it should be shorter and clearer. Most
> people don't read those things, and very likely you won't either. You
> assume certain things. When I get asked for my full name, then username
> and password - I assume I'm getting registered. Because I have never
> encountered a log-in so far that asked me for anything besides Username
> and Password. I wouldn't even point that out if my friend didn't fall
> for the same fallacy a day later. I would suggest a short line like "If
> you do NOT have an Ekiga Account yet, click HERE to register" Above the
> fields where you enter your user information.
> 
>  Secondly, I believe I had to go into the Account settings to adjust the
> settings after registration. They weren't set correctly by the druid.
> And If someone, like me, never used SIP VOIP services, you cannot
> possibly know what a "Registrar" Is supposed to be. After you have
> registered it should say clearly what goes where in the account
> settings.
> 

For the 3.0 version registration will do in Ekiga. No more web interface
necessary.

>  I am usually not nearly as picky with any other program, but since the
> purpose of this program is to communicate with people, I want to be able
> to tell my friends to install and register, without having to provide
> them with the necessary information about SIP services.
> 
>  Also, a test call should be implemented. I've read on a couple of sites
> "I've tried the ekiga test call..." But I couldn't find the address.
> Anyway, it should be in the contacts by default. It's rather tedious to
> find out if the audio settings are correct by calling someone.
> 

The test number is sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I hope it will be integrated into Ekiga too. Your suggestion seems a
good idea to me.

Regards,
Yannick

> I know this is a lot of criticism for one post. Please don't take it the
> wrong way. I'm very excited that there is a native VOIP client for
> gnome, and I had less trouble with it so far then I did with Open Wengo.
> But the points I've listed are really mundane, and would make a big
> difference in my opinion.
> 
> thanks for your time,
> Roman A.
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Re: [Ekiga-list] Conference room status

[yannick]

Le mardi 24 juillet 2007 à 16:12 -0400, Oliver Schinagl a écrit :
> Hi, i was just wondering what the status is on converencing with ekiga
> these days.
> 
> I know you can 'dial' into a preset server/channels, but does this work
> 'dumb user mode' too? I hate to bring up skype, but I'm thinking, right
> click user, invite to converence. A simple message could be sent to the
> user to join channel number XXX with pin YYY.
> 

I'm not sure how far the softphone (Ekiga) will integrate into the
service (ekiga.net)... But thanks you to share.

> Also does ekiga work with video conference aswell? E.g. have more then 2
> users see eachother via webcams? As that would be a 'killer feature' for
> ekiga. I know you can't just host rooms for video aswell, as it al costs
> a lot of bandwidth, and I know ekiga can't build mini servers into their
> apps, like skype does, cause i belive it's an outrage that they do that.
> 

An MCU can do this ; but it seems there is no good free software MCU as
now. (the more promising seems to be openMCU). In shot a MCU is a piece
of software which will mix/pick up the video to send it back to the
participants.

Regards,
Yannick

> Anyway, just sharing a few thoughts/questions.
> 
> Oliver
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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[Oliver Schinagl]

ok that pic looks good :)

yannick wrote:
> Le mardi 24 juillet 2007 à 16:50 -0400, Oliver Schinagl a écrit :
>   
>> My personal thought, no, never. Atleast the way I know/work with it not.
>> What ekiga is laking is a 'buddy list'. People like that, people want that.
>> So what you'd want is incorporate the video/voice capabilities of ekiga
>> in to pidgin. Then you have something that has a chance to compete with
>> skype. Add a whitelist directory and your good to go.
>> 1 client to do it all, thought video/audio with other clients would have
>> to be reversed engineerd and shit like that.
>> Hey a person can dream right.
>> 
>
> Hi,
>
> You should read the roadmap:
> http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Roadmap_to_3.00
>
> Or have a look by yourself:
> http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Image:Capture-Ekiga-SVN.png
>
> Or even better, help coding it!
>
> Regards,
> Yannick
>
>   
>> michel memeteau wrote:
>> 
>>> 2007/7/24, wo laoye <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
>>>
>>> the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online
>>> most of the time.
>>>
>>> will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?
>>>
>>>
>>> Funny question !  You are one of the guys that can make  it popular ,
>>> we all are ...
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> http://wlaoye.no-ip.biz
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> VOIP | Visio: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 
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>>> Mobile : 0624808051
>>> jabber/GoogleTalk : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[Simon Wood]

Strange comment indeed Ekiga (the service) as just an off shoot of Ekiga 
(the application), set up so that people have a choice of a free 'dial tone' 
provider.

If you considered Ekiga as just one of many SIP providers you could argue that 
there are more SIP/H323 users in the world than Skype users. I can probably 
call more destinations via SIP than I could via the Skype network.

Will it every be as 'popular' as Skype? Probably not, but then its not 
propriatory so it gets my 'vote'.
Simon.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:30:17 +0800
"wo laoye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the ekiga community is very inactive. most of them are not online most of
> the time.
> 
> will ekiga ever be as popular as skype?
> 
> 
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Re: [Ekiga-list] ekiga community

[Jan Schampera]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:09:04 -0400
Oliver Schinagl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ok that pic looks good :)

But also remember that the service you're using needs SIP presence
support (ekiga.net doesn't for now). The presence code is in CVS since
longer. And the basic UI of the roster (buddy list) is even longer (I
don't remember when I commited it, but it's some time).

J.


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Re: [Ekiga-list] Registration and set-up should be more intuitive...

[Jan Schampera]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:16:19 +0200
Roman Antensteiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Secondly, I believe I had to go into the Account settings to adjust
> the settings after registration. They weren't set correctly by the
> druid. And If someone, like me, never used SIP VOIP services, you
> cannot possibly know what a "Registrar" Is supposed to be.

That's a very big problem, indeed. Every SIP provider gives different
names to these values. Registrar, SIP Server, SIP Service, SIP Machine
(seen so far). If you take other words, then the problem will be the
same, just under another name.

I remember there was a Bugzilla entry about that, I just can't find it.

J.


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Re: [Ekiga-list] Conference room status

[Jan Schampera]

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:12:33 -0400
Oliver Schinagl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, i was just wondering what the status is on converencing with ekiga
> these days.
> 
> I know you can 'dial' into a preset server/channels, but does this
> work 'dumb user mode' too? I hate to bring up skype, but I'm
> thinking, right click user, invite to converence. A simple message
> could be sent to the user to join channel number XXX with pin YYY.

I don't think it's good do bind one specific provider into a generic
SIP application. The conference rooms are nothing Ekiga really is aware
of. They are provided by the SER on ekiga.net. If you use ekiga.net as
provider - you have them. If not, you don't. Nothing Ekiga can control.

Maybe something to solve with plugins...? Julien?

> Also does ekiga work with video conference aswell? E.g. have more
> then 2 users see eachother via webcams? As that would be a 'killer
> feature' for ekiga. I know you can't just host rooms for video
> aswell, as it al costs a lot of bandwidth, and I know ekiga can't
> build mini servers into their apps, like skype does, cause i belive
> it's an outrage that they do that.

You'd need a video conference service somewhere. Ekiga.net doesn't have
one, but since there are thousands of SIP providers, I bet there are
some with this feature.

Beside that, I wonder what the standards say about multiple video calls
related to each other - will wait for Damien :-)

J.


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