Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Le mardi 31 octobre 2006 à 17:24 +0100, Jan Schampera a écrit : > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:07 +0100 > Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Yannick, > > > > I can open it to everyone again. What do people think? > > > > It is ok if we backup... > > Can it be done partially? I've no idea unfortunately. -- Damien Sandras Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org NOVACOM: http://www.novacom.be FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:07:07 +0100 Damien Sandras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Yannick, > > I can open it to everyone again. What do people think? > > It is ok if we backup... Can it be done partially? J. -- Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever. ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi Yannick, I can open it to everyone again. What do people think? It is ok if we backup... Le mardi 31 octobre 2006 à 09:51 +0100, yannick a écrit : > Hi ! > > Le lundi 30 octobre 2006 à 10:34 -0800, David M. Kaplan a écrit : > > Hi Yannick, > > > > Thanks for explaining why text and video have problems. Your > > explanations make sense. > > You're welcome. > > > > > As for the wiki, perhaps it would be best to host it on another site > > that would allow community involvement on editing? There are free wiki > > services out there, but we could also try talking to gnome, ubuntu and > > redhat to see if they would host it. I think this would really make > > generating documentation much easier and allow developers to spend more > > time on developing. I personally would contribute to a wiki, but it is > > really hard to email wiki changes unless they constitute entire new > > pages. > > I agree with you; this would be much easier to allow people directly > edit the wiki, but as i told you the wiki was like this before and was > hacked, which really was annoying to the person in charge of it (Damien > Sandras) as he has *lots* of other things to do (coding, administrating > ekiga.net, etc.). Since then, editing the wiki has been restricted to a > circle of few trusted people using passwords. See below... IMHO, having > it hosted elsewhere, isn't really a solution as the problem is *who* > will be in charge of it. Who will dedicated his time to this task > assuming the person is a wiki master who can deal with > "sabotage"/hacks ? I'm not that kind of people... In the other hand, the > Ekiga team see now the wiki system as a very good way to document Ekiga. > It seems, we will use it more and more... > > > > > Another approach would be to allow editing from a very controlled group > > of people - there is a way to have mediawiki email passwords just to > > those you want (i.e., we could make people request accounts via email > > and only after they are well known) and you can set up the wiki so that > > it only operates over SSL for password protection. Just a thought > > > > ...this is mostly the way it works. Damien Sandras, as he is the wiki > administrator, granted me access to the wiki giving me a password and i > started working on it. > > If you want to directly edit the wiki, ask Damien. I can't give you > access to it. > > Perhaps, we should open a new page in the wiki providing infos how to > grant access to edit the wiki for people willing to help on it... > > Regards, > Yannick > > > > Cheers, > > David > > > > > > ___ > > ekiga-list mailing list > > ekiga-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > > > -- > Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\ Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_NOVACOM : http://www.novacom.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi ! Le lundi 30 octobre 2006 à 10:34 -0800, David M. Kaplan a écrit : > Hi Yannick, > > Thanks for explaining why text and video have problems. Your > explanations make sense. You're welcome. > > As for the wiki, perhaps it would be best to host it on another site > that would allow community involvement on editing? There are free wiki > services out there, but we could also try talking to gnome, ubuntu and > redhat to see if they would host it. I think this would really make > generating documentation much easier and allow developers to spend more > time on developing. I personally would contribute to a wiki, but it is > really hard to email wiki changes unless they constitute entire new > pages. I agree with you; this would be much easier to allow people directly edit the wiki, but as i told you the wiki was like this before and was hacked, which really was annoying to the person in charge of it (Damien Sandras) as he has *lots* of other things to do (coding, administrating ekiga.net, etc.). Since then, editing the wiki has been restricted to a circle of few trusted people using passwords. See below... IMHO, having it hosted elsewhere, isn't really a solution as the problem is *who* will be in charge of it. Who will dedicated his time to this task assuming the person is a wiki master who can deal with "sabotage"/hacks ? I'm not that kind of people... In the other hand, the Ekiga team see now the wiki system as a very good way to document Ekiga. It seems, we will use it more and more... > > Another approach would be to allow editing from a very controlled group > of people - there is a way to have mediawiki email passwords just to > those you want (i.e., we could make people request accounts via email > and only after they are well known) and you can set up the wiki so that > it only operates over SSL for password protection. Just a thought > ...this is mostly the way it works. Damien Sandras, as he is the wiki administrator, granted me access to the wiki giving me a password and i started working on it. If you want to directly edit the wiki, ask Damien. I can't give you access to it. Perhaps, we should open a new page in the wiki providing infos how to grant access to edit the wiki for people willing to help on it... Regards, Yannick > Cheers, > David > > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi Yannick, Thanks for explaining why text and video have problems. Your explanations make sense. As for the wiki, perhaps it would be best to host it on another site that would allow community involvement on editing? There are free wiki services out there, but we could also try talking to gnome, ubuntu and redhat to see if they would host it. I think this would really make generating documentation much easier and allow developers to spend more time on developing. I personally would contribute to a wiki, but it is really hard to email wiki changes unless they constitute entire new pages. Another approach would be to allow editing from a very controlled group of people - there is a way to have mediawiki email passwords just to those you want (i.e., we could make people request accounts via email and only after they are well known) and you can set up the wiki so that it only operates over SSL for password protection. Just a thought Cheers, David ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi, I've updated the page : http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Wich_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F I still need this to be tested... Please report success. Changes : - Found windows messenger and linphone can have text messages with Ekiga. - Added XMeeting on Mac OS (audio + video with EKiga as this software rely on the same libraries). - Added Ekiga win32. Added a new colomn "Presence" (but no infos right now). - Ordered the list : the most green a software have the more it is on top. - Aesthetic : better green (more readable). Regards, Yannick Le dimanche 29 octobre 2006 à 21:41 +0100, yannick a écrit : > Hi, > > Le dimanche 29 octobre 2006 à 12:12 -0800, David M. Kaplan a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > Yannick - the page you set up is a great start to the documentation. A > > few suggestions: (1) I would add a "setup instructions" or "discussion" > > column with some empty links already in place so that people who have > > used Ekiga with that program can add a page with instructions on how to > > set things up; > > I wish i could do that, but the "boss" there don't allow any people to > use the wiki, as the wiki was hacked and the very few people > administrating (maybe only 1 person : Damien) have other things todo > (coding mostly), i'm doubt this will happend soon. Help will be greatly > appraciate on this issue i guess. For now, the best way is to use this > mailling list or IRC to report success. > > > (2) You might also add a column that indicates the > > versions of Ekiga and the other program that were tested (or perhaps > > that belongs in the setup instructions pages); > > Well... Most of the informations was collected using google based on my > knowledge of Ekiga. This is mostly theoric... I used ekiga<->ekiga and > ekiga<->netmeeting. I also get an IM from windows messenger version > 5.1.0701. > > > and (3) you might want to > > add "Ekiga for windows" to the "Using Windows" table - I naively thought > > that everything would work fine with the connection from Ekiga-linux to > > Ekiga-windows, but I could only get audio working, nothing else. > > You're right. But Ekiga for windows is still in beta, and heavy work are > currently done on building it. I'll wait a bit for that. > > I've plan to add a "presence" column, as Damien is working on it > currently. > > > > > The obvious thing that one notes from the table is that audio almost > > always works, but text and video almost never work. Naively, I would > > think that text and video would be no more difficult than audio if SIP > > is used. Why is this not the case? Do other programs have the same > > difficulties (e.g., does video from Gizmo to X-lite work?)? Is there > > any way to find out why video doesn't work? > > About text, my guess is other program implement other protocol (mostly > jabber, which is a wish of the team) or implement variation (extended) > of the one used in Ekiga (SIP SIMPLE). I don't know the current status > of it right now. I need reports about it. > > About video, the issue is codecs. Ekiga is a very old timer in VoIP > (more than 5 years) and was in first place realased with the H261 codec > which refer to one of the first codec available for VoIP. Since then new > (better) codecs has appear and most of the current software use H263 > codec only (almost like XVID or DIVX), or use the very new (and heavy > CPU) H264. Beside that, the Ekiga design is under heavy change to add > plugin for video codecs wich will greatly improve the choice of video > codecs in Ekiga adding H263 (and in my best dreams H264 via the x264 > codec). Fact is only products from Microsoft have support for H261... > > About interoperability between other software, I know no one which can > test this, nor can maintain a wiki page about it... > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Cheers, > > David > > > > > > ___ > > ekiga-list mailing list > > ekiga-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > > > -- > Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi, Le dimanche 29 octobre 2006 à 12:12 -0800, David M. Kaplan a écrit : > Hi, > > Yannick - the page you set up is a great start to the documentation. A > few suggestions: (1) I would add a "setup instructions" or "discussion" > column with some empty links already in place so that people who have > used Ekiga with that program can add a page with instructions on how to > set things up; I wish i could do that, but the "boss" there don't allow any people to use the wiki, as the wiki was hacked and the very few people administrating (maybe only 1 person : Damien) have other things todo (coding mostly), i'm doubt this will happend soon. Help will be greatly appraciate on this issue i guess. For now, the best way is to use this mailling list or IRC to report success. > (2) You might also add a column that indicates the > versions of Ekiga and the other program that were tested (or perhaps > that belongs in the setup instructions pages); Well... Most of the informations was collected using google based on my knowledge of Ekiga. This is mostly theoric... I used ekiga<->ekiga and ekiga<->netmeeting. I also get an IM from windows messenger version 5.1.0701. > and (3) you might want to > add "Ekiga for windows" to the "Using Windows" table - I naively thought > that everything would work fine with the connection from Ekiga-linux to > Ekiga-windows, but I could only get audio working, nothing else. You're right. But Ekiga for windows is still in beta, and heavy work are currently done on building it. I'll wait a bit for that. I've plan to add a "presence" column, as Damien is working on it currently. > > The obvious thing that one notes from the table is that audio almost > always works, but text and video almost never work. Naively, I would > think that text and video would be no more difficult than audio if SIP > is used. Why is this not the case? Do other programs have the same > difficulties (e.g., does video from Gizmo to X-lite work?)? Is there > any way to find out why video doesn't work? About text, my guess is other program implement other protocol (mostly jabber, which is a wish of the team) or implement variation (extended) of the one used in Ekiga (SIP SIMPLE). I don't know the current status of it right now. I need reports about it. About video, the issue is codecs. Ekiga is a very old timer in VoIP (more than 5 years) and was in first place realased with the H261 codec which refer to one of the first codec available for VoIP. Since then new (better) codecs has appear and most of the current software use H263 codec only (almost like XVID or DIVX), or use the very new (and heavy CPU) H264. Beside that, the Ekiga design is under heavy change to add plugin for video codecs wich will greatly improve the choice of video codecs in Ekiga adding H263 (and in my best dreams H264 via the x264 codec). Fact is only products from Microsoft have support for H261... About interoperability between other software, I know no one which can test this, nor can maintain a wiki page about it... > > Thanks again. > > Cheers, > David > > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi, Yannick - the page you set up is a great start to the documentation. A few suggestions: (1) I would add a "setup instructions" or "discussion" column with some empty links already in place so that people who have used Ekiga with that program can add a page with instructions on how to set things up; (2) You might also add a column that indicates the versions of Ekiga and the other program that were tested (or perhaps that belongs in the setup instructions pages); and (3) you might want to add "Ekiga for windows" to the "Using Windows" table - I naively thought that everything would work fine with the connection from Ekiga-linux to Ekiga-windows, but I could only get audio working, nothing else. The obvious thing that one notes from the table is that audio almost always works, but text and video almost never work. Naively, I would think that text and video would be no more difficult than audio if SIP is used. Why is this not the case? Do other programs have the same difficulties (e.g., does video from Gizmo to X-lite work?)? Is there any way to find out why video doesn't work? Thanks again. Cheers, David ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Le vendredi 27 octobre 2006 à 15:43 -0700, David M. Kaplan a écrit : > Hi, > (...) > It seems to me that there needs to be an Ekiga Wiki where people can put > their experiences online. A table that says what aspects of what > programs work with ekiga linked to instructions on how to setup both > sides of the connection would be very useful. Another useful topic > would be instructions on how to test both ends of the line. Some hints > of this are in the FAQ, but it wasn't sufficient for me. I've started a table as you wich. Please provide comments about it. http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Wich_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F Regards, Yannick > > If there is anyway I can help setting something like this up, I would be > willing to try. I have experience setting up MediaWiki, but wouldn't > consider myself an expert. > > Cheers, > David > > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi ;) Le samedi 28 octobre 2006 à 16:47 +0200, Bent Bagger a écrit : > Bonjour Yannick > > > > I highly appreciate a paper on this topic. I'm not sure where it should > > go: wiki.ekiga or distro specific documentation, or both (generic on > > wiki.ekiga and more step-by-step specific to distro). > > Je ne peut pas le faire en francais mais je vais le faire en anglais. > Pardon my French! I'll write something up and send it directly to you. > Then you can decide where it should go. OK? Nice french words. Just one small mistake : Je ne peux pas. Thx you :) Ok, send it to me. It would probably go at least to wiki.ekiga (in a general fashion), in unbuntu documentation (english and french in a step-by step fashion, as i can test it and i will install edgy on dual boot for that purpose having it for dapper and edgy). Debian is very close. If someone wants to help on his own distro, feel free to mail here :). The important point is to have installed it and having it running some tests. I will provide a way on the wiki pages to send us feedback using IRC or this mailling list. By the way, translation is also wanted. > > > > > Using a wiki is mostly simple, I can do it. I just need a review about > > my poor english and I will translate to french... > > > We can probably both learn a lot from this It would be nice. Learning is my life... :) Regards, Yannick > > Kind regards, > > Bent > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Bonjour Yannick > > I highly appreciate a paper on this topic. I'm not sure where it should > go: wiki.ekiga or distro specific documentation, or both (generic on > wiki.ekiga and more step-by-step specific to distro). Je ne peut pas le faire en francais mais je vais le faire en anglais. Pardon my French! I'll write something up and send it directly to you. Then you can decide where it should go. OK? > > Using a wiki is mostly simple, I can do it. I just need a review about > my poor english and I will translate to french... > We can probably both learn a lot from this Kind regards, Bent ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Le samedi 28 octobre 2006 à 14:17 +0200, Bent Bagger a écrit : > I have some experience in setting up Asterisk and have of course > gotten Ekiga to talk to Asterisk. I'm willing to write about how I did > it, but I'm unsure as to whether this is what you had in mind in this > context. > Hi. I highly appreciate a paper on this topic. I'm not sure where it should go: wiki.ekiga or distro specific documentation, or both (generic on wiki.ekiga and more step-by-step specific to distro). > Also. I have no experience whatsoever in using a wiki ;-) Using a wiki is mostly simple, I can do it. I just need a review about my poor english and I will translate to french... Regards, Yannick > > Bent > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
I have some experience in setting up Asterisk and have of course gotten Ekiga to talk to Asterisk. I'm willing to write about how I did it, but I'm unsure as to whether this is what you had in mind in this context. Also. I have no experience whatsoever in using a wiki ;-) Bent ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Le vendredi 27 octobre 2006 à 15:43 -0700, David M. Kaplan a écrit : > Hi, > > I have recently become very frustrated trying to get Ekiga video > conferencing to work with family that only use windows. I have tried to > use Ekiga (in linux) with Windows Messenger, X-ten and Ekiga for windows > - in all cases, I ran into problems or could get sound but no video. > What struck me was the lack of adequate documentation of exactly how to > get things working. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place, but it > seems that there is relatively little detailed documentation out there. Well, IMHO that's true. I'm working on it, thinking having step-by-step documentation is good for distro. This way, i've done some work for Ubuntu documentation installing/configuring Ekiga, both english and french version. But, considering your request, it seems to me some topics are of general value, i.e. interoperability with other software on different platforms, how to set up Ekiga with SIP providers, how to subscribe ekiga.net... > > It seems to me that there needs to be an Ekiga Wiki where people can put > their experiences online. A table that says what aspects of what > programs work with ekiga linked to instructions on how to setup both > sides of the connection would be very useful. Another useful topic > would be instructions on how to test both ends of the line. Some hints > of this are in the FAQ, but it wasn't sufficient for me. Problem with wiki is how to avoid attacks against it. Right now, only few trusted people have access to it. Another issue is how to stay up-to-date and be exhaustive regarding interoperability of Ekiga with other SIP/H323 implementation ? But this is part of the frequently asked questions when you talk with Ekiga users. On the purpose of saving time for all people involving in Ekiga, i've started a new wiki page about this topic : http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Wich_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F I'm not sure title is right, i'm not even sure I should open this page... Fact is when people succed using Ekiga with another software/harware they mostly do not inform us about it, and they do not provide us a step-by-step how to setup the other software. I know much more about issues than succes... Feel free to comment. Regards, Yannick > > If there is anyway I can help setting something like this up, I would be > willing to try. I have experience setting up MediaWiki, but wouldn't > consider myself an expert. > > Cheers, > David > > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] need documentation of how to get Ekiga working with other programs
Hi, I have recently become very frustrated trying to get Ekiga video conferencing to work with family that only use windows. I have tried to use Ekiga (in linux) with Windows Messenger, X-ten and Ekiga for windows - in all cases, I ran into problems or could get sound but no video. What struck me was the lack of adequate documentation of exactly how to get things working. Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place, but it seems that there is relatively little detailed documentation out there. It seems to me that there needs to be an Ekiga Wiki where people can put their experiences online. A table that says what aspects of what programs work with ekiga linked to instructions on how to setup both sides of the connection would be very useful. Another useful topic would be instructions on how to test both ends of the line. Some hints of this are in the FAQ, but it wasn't sufficient for me. If there is anyway I can help setting something like this up, I would be willing to try. I have experience setting up MediaWiki, but wouldn't consider myself an expert. Cheers, David -- ** David M. Kaplan Assistant Researcher Institute of Marine Sciences UCSC / Ocean Sciences 1156 High St. SC, CA 95064 Phone: 831-459-4789 Fax: 831-459-4882 http://pmc.ucsc.edu/~dmk/ ** ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
