RE: [Elecraft] K2 backlighting brightness

2006-07-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
A few bits about LEDs, including a response to Ron, ZL1TW's question about
dimming over time. 

LEDs do dim over time. Since they usually do not suffer catastrophic failure
that stops all output altogether (like an incandescent bulb does when the
filament fails) their end of life is typically measured as the point at
which the light output has dropped to 1/2 the original design value. That
operating life is generally in the vicinity of 100,000 hours. 

LEDs can harm your eyesight! Peering directly into an LED can cause eye
damage. They are NOT lasers, but they can be very bright - much brighter
than an incandescent bulb of that size. The issue is that the light is being
emitted from a much smaller point source than other types of lamps,
including incandescent bulbs. You have nothing to fear from incidental light
from an LED, but some manufacturers warn against looking directly into an
LED at close range. 

LEDs are current driven, not voltage driven. That is, the current through
the device determines the brightness and, unfortunately, the temperature of
the semiconductor inside. Higher than normal currents produce device heating
that will reduce the light output and decrease the operating life. 

Like most epoxy-encased semiconductors, LEDs can EXPLODE when subjected to
serious over-currents. The bang is small, but the lamp sprays epoxy shrapnel
around. It could raise havoc with an eyeball that is close to it when it
happens. Actually, that's true of many types of transistors when subjected
to big over-currents, but LEDs seen to be the ones people are peering at
when they go off! There's nothing to worry about if they are being operated
at their proper current levels. The only danger is when the current-limiting
resistor is not correct for the voltage source. 

LEDs can be damaged by ESD. Actually ANY semiconductor junction can be: it's
a matter of how big of an ESD charge reaches is. Most diodes are pretty hard
to hurt, so you won't find warnings to wear a wrist strap when handling them
in the Elecraft manuals. Still a jolt can do damage to an LED junction. It's
no where near as robust as, say, a power supply rectifier diode. 

Ron AC7AC


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Hi Ron

I went through this a few weeks ago. After trying several different 
value resistors in parallel with R 10 I ended up with a 39 ohm one. This 
dropped the the total resistance to about 18 ohms and increased the 
current from the original 24 mA to 34 mA. Still not as bright as #5523 
but close. Further increase in current didn't seem to increase the 
brightness much so I went with the 39 ohm resister but YMMV.

I don't know about LEDs dimming but an increase in current may shorten 
their life. Hopefully 5 mA per pair won't have a significant effect. 
Maybe we'll get a more definitive answer from  the list.

This is really not a big problem and I am certain I would have never 
noticed the difference in brightness had the two rigs not been setting 
side by side and even then it took several days before I noticed it.

Good LuckTed...aa5ck


ron_w wrote:
  
 Both K2's go remarkably the same, but the older K2 has a noticeably
 dimmer display than the new one which raises the questions :-
 (1) Do the back light LED's dim with time?  ..the older K2 *has* 
 had a lot of use.
 (2) Would changing R10 to (say) 22ohms have any detrimental effect  on 
 the life of the back light LCD's?
  .
 Cheers...Ron ZL1TW
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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 27, Issue 14

2006-07-13 Thread jim
On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 04:02 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Re: Blackwidow (Nick Waterman)

Using a piece of plate glass and some spray adhesive, you can take
sheets of 400, then 600 all the way to eight hundred grit wet/dry sand
paper and fix it to the plate glass. 

That surface can be used to bring up a shine so bright on the key that
you can see your reflection in the surface.

I might consider beveling the edges on the base and the arms for a more
refined look.

Jim WX9J
#4892

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[Elecraft] XV50 on 70MHz

2006-07-13 Thread Allan Duncan
I have been very pleased with My K2 which I purchased at Dayton back in
2005. So pleased, that I have persuaded a few others to take the plunge and
build K2’s, here in the UK.

I have been looking at the feasibility of building an Elecraft XV50 for the
70MHz band to use with my K2.  Interest in this band is mushrooming in
Europe with new countries gaining 70MHz allocations almost on a monthly
basis. ( http://www.70mhz.org )

The modifications required would seem to be fairly straightforward but I
have no illusions to be an RF design engineer!

The Mitsubishi RA30H0608M power module would be a drop in replacement for
the M57735 (using the XV144’s biasing circuit). There would need to be a few
L and C value changes in the TX LPF and the mixer BPF too. The LO would have
to be changed to 42MHz (from 22MHz). I am a bit confused on the choice of
driver – SGA7489 in the XV50, ERA-5 in the XV144 and back to the SGA7489 in
the XV222. Presumably the SGA7489 would be OK at 70MHz?

Has anyone on the list already done all of the above? – I have no wish to
re-invent the wheel. I would be pleased to hear of the component values
required. There does not appear to be anything specific in the archive.

Whilst I am aware that Elecraft’s core market is in the US and Canada, I
think they are missing an opportunity to create a successful new product for
a very minimum of RD effort. I think an Elecraft “XV70” would do well in
Europe as there is a lack of any competition for equipment on this rapidly
expanding band.  The XV series have very flexible interfacing and I am sure
would prove a popular way for stations to get on the band with their
existing HF transceiver.

It may even encourage a few more European VHF hams to go on and build a K2
as well!  

73

Allan
GM4ZUK





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[Elecraft] Re: Phone jack problem

2006-07-13 Thread zl1aih
Hi Ron,
Because we use a K2 for CW contesting (Multi -one and Multi-Two) 
and need dual headphone output, I set up a dual headphone pair of 
sockets under the bench - it keeps the op's headphone cord from 
laying across the computer keyboard and enables a trainee op to 
watch and listen to the contest.
I don't want to damage that front panel headphone socket.G
73, 
Ken ZL1AIH (ZM1A, ZL6A in the IARU Contest)
  
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Re: [Elecraft] XV50 on 70MHz

2006-07-13 Thread Trevor Day
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Allan Duncan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes


snip


Whilst I am aware that Elecraft’s core market is in the US and Canada, I
think they are missing an opportunity to create a successful new product for
a very minimum of RD effort. I think an Elecraft “XV70” would do well in
Europe as there is a lack of any competition for equipment on this rapidly
expanding band.  The XV series have very flexible interfacing and I am sure
would prove a popular way for stations to get on the band with their
existing HF transceiver.

It may even encourage a few more European VHF hams to go on and build a K2
as well! 


Totally agree with Allan's post above.  I am currently 'modding' my old 
6m transverter back to 4m, but would buy an XV70 without hesitation.


Trev G3ZYY
--
Trevor Day
UKSMG #217
www.uksmg.org

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 backlighting brightness

2006-07-13 Thread Mike S
At 06:28 PM 7/12/2006, ron_w wrote...
would such a change give me more back light without compromising components in 
the Front panel board?(ie U3). I doubt there is a problem but it is always 
wise to ask ..

If you're equipped to desolder the display, you could replace the backlight 
LEDs with brighter ones. I used two Everlight EL-94-22UBGC arrays, which are 
available in the US from Mouser for a couple of buck each ( 
http://www.mouser.com/catalog/626/41.pdf ). They fit perfectly, I think the 
originals from Elecraft are the Everlight EL-94-22VGC. The relative brightness 
of these two different LED arrays is 133 vs. 35 mcd @ 20 ma, a very significant 
difference in brightness. They do change the display from green to a blue-green 
color. 

I was then able to use a _larger_ R10 dropping resistor to get acceptable 
brightness (can't remember what I ended up with), so now I get the same current 
draw regardless of the day/night setting (with the night setting, the main 
display uses more power, but the meter LEDs use less). 
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[Elecraft] Re: For Sale: K1 w/ ATU + 6 Bands + Accessories

2006-07-13 Thread JT Croteau

I'm reducing the price on this to $365.00 delivered via Priority Mail
to the lower 48.  Again, please reply direct if interested.

- JT

On 7/12/06, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Selling my well loved K1 with four two band filter boards, ATU, and a
few accessories.

K1 #292 - 2 Band Model recently aligned for the following filter boards:

40/80
20/15
17/30

It will also come with a fourth filter board for 20/40.

KAT1 is included along with the tilt stand with only the short legs
(long legs were lost by the previous owner).

The K1 is in excellent working order and great physical shape.
Elecraft mods include all updates from Rev. D to Rev F. specs and the
backlight mod.

Original manual is included along with all documentation for the
installed modifications.

I will also include the following:

. Bulldog Mini-Paddles
. 2x9.6V 2000 mAH NiMH Packs w/ wallwart charger all wired to
powerpole connectors

Some photos:

K1 with mini-paddles:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3682/k12nk.jpg

One of the two included battery packs:
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/1212/battery7qb.jpg

Price: $400.00 shipped via USPS Priorit Mail to the lower 48.  Payment
via PayPal is preferred but I will also take a money order via the
mail.

Email direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if interested.

I am selling to finance an ATS-3 and invest the remainder in another hobby.

--
 JT Croteau - W6FO - Canton, GA | K1 #292
 ARS #2,147 | NoGA-QRP | SEDXC | ARRL

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RE: [Elecraft] Polishing Brass (was Blackwidow)

2006-07-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
And if you really want it to glow, don't stop with the 600 or 800 grit
paper, visit your automotive paint supplies place and you will find grits
much finer than that, 1200 and 1600 are common and often 2400 grit sheets
can be found.  These are wet/dry type papers, use with water as a lubricant
and the grit will not fill up.  You can obtain a real mirror finish, it just
takes time and effort.

73,
Don W3FPR

 -Original Message-
  Re: Blackwidow (Nick Waterman)

 Using a piece of plate glass and some spray adhesive, you can take
 sheets of 400, then 600 all the way to eight hundred grit wet/dry sand
 paper and fix it to the plate glass.

 That surface can be used to bring up a shine so bright on the key that
 you can see your reflection in the surface.

 I might consider beveling the edges on the base and the arms for a more
 refined look.

 Jim WX9J
 #4892



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[Elecraft] OT: Parts

2006-07-13 Thread J F
Hello All,

I have a large amount of various new small parts
(primarily 1/4 watt resistors including 1% types,
board mounted pots, capacitors fixed and variable,
fuses, etc). Some of these I have hundreds of the same
values.

If anyone is looking for parts, please let me know. I
am in need of board mounted RFCs (various), 100K 1/4w,
and some other items. Would like to trade stuff.
Please contact me off list.

Cheers,
Julius
n2wn
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[Elecraft] Black Widow Paddle

2006-07-13 Thread Jeremiah McCarthy
I wonder if using a power sander, which has a soft rubber backing pad, will 
cause rounding over of the edges of the parts for the Black Widow paddle...

I read the instructions for polishing the brass in the Black Widow paddle using 
fine sandpaper...The problem is that the sandpaper quickly loads up and stops 
cutting...I would go to an automotive paint supply and buy wet-or-dry emery 
paper...Wet or dry is usually a gray color on the back side with black abrasive 
on the business side...

Tape the paper to the table as suggested, then apply a small amount of water to 
it and start sanding...The water will hold the metal particles in suspension 
and allow the paper to continue cutting, and the cutting will be FAST...As the 
cutting continues, the water will thicken into a brass colored slurry which can 
be rinsed or wiped off, after which sanding can continue using the same sheet 
of sandpaper...This method is excellent for polishing the edges of plexiglass...


Jerry, wa2dkg
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[Elecraft] K2 S/N 5556 Transmitter Alignment

2006-07-13 Thread Stephen Arnold
Hello all,

This is my first post to the group so I hope it works correctly!

Happy to report that K2 S/N 5556 is alive in Australia!

However I'm slightly concerned about the results I'm getting during
transmitter alignment.

After running through the TX alignment procedure twice the best results I
can get for max power out are as follows:

80m - 8.1w
40m - 9.6w
30m - 10.8w
20m - 14.5w
17m - 13.6w
15m - 9.1w
12m - 10.5w
10m - 10.6w

These power figures come from the internal K2 power meter but a CB radio
pwr/swr meter connected between K2 and 50 ohm commercial dummy load agrees
with these figures with surprising accuracy.

The question being are these output figures 'normal'?

Output on 80m, 15m and perhaps even 40m seems a bit low to me. Simply
because I'm expecting to see 10w or more on each band.

In addition I got a 'Hi Cur' warning are soon as I raised the power level
to maximum. My K2 consistently draws 2.69A on all bands according to the
digital current meter in the power supply but the K2 current meter
registers values from 2.52A to 2.54A. I'm inclined to believe the K2 but
as yet have not checked the current draw with a meter. I have for the
moment increased the 'Hi Cur' warning threshold to 3.0A.

Again, same question, is this current draw 'normal' or abnormally high?

I have double checked the 80m bandpass filter components, toroid
type/number of turns and the capacitor values and all appears to be
correct.

So I'm not sure if I have a problem or not.

A sincere thanks guys for all your combined help getting me to this point.
No I haven't posted to the list before but when confused (and that
happened regularly !-) my questions were always answered by the list
archives!

Cheers from 'down-under'

Steve
VK2SJA

K2 S/N 5556

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Re: [Elecraft] Black Widow Paddle

2006-07-13 Thread Paul Meier
I build and repair 1911 semi-auto pistols.  All the internal parts are hand 
polished and they are much harder than brass.  You can do this while 
watching TV if you want as it's rather mind numbing.  Depending on the 
surface roughness start with the 600 and progress up by 200 gr each sheet. 
1000 should give you a pretty good surface finish.  As Don says if you want 
more shine go on up to 1600.  I've even gone to 2000 but really didn't see 
the benefit.  A power sander will roll the edges plus can cause other 
problems, really fast!


When I'm in the shop I use a marble tile to work on, 3/4 thick so it won't 
move.  In the house watching TV I use a board in my lap with a piece of 
glass on it.  Put the sand paper on the surface, wet it and go to polishing. 
I prefer to use oil on metals, the puddle lasts longer.  If you change your 
oil in your car then you have what it takes.  I've been using synthetic 
motor oil for years so this is what I use for the polishing media as I 
always have it on hand.


Pour a puddle of oil and go to it.  With the 600 and 800 you are trying to 
knock off the high points or rough cuts so polishing in a circle is ok.  You 
last few cuts of paper make sure you polish the long direction as it will 
leave a grain direction in the final product.  Taking out a swirl will drive 
you crazy.  This process will give you a bright as you want surface then 
remember with brass you have to coat it or it will tarnish.  A brass coat 
works, I've used clear epoxy spray or even car wax works.


As you can see it's an easy job just takes time.  Also using the oil I've 
never had to tape or glue the sand paper down.  Once it's wet on a flat 
surface it doesn't move.


Paul K7PM 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5556 Transmitter Alignment - Doh!

2006-07-13 Thread Stephen Arnold
G'day again,

I feel such a fool!

I almost have to ask everyone to disregard my previous post.

After turning off all the equipment ready to shuffle off to bed (it's very
late/early here) I'm looking at the lab style bench power supply that I'm
using an realise that it's max supply current is only 2.5A. I was hitting
the current max of the supply and it was going into 'current limit'
dropping the supply voltage to about 10-11 volts and I had not realised.

Switching to a slighly larger lab supply capable of 3.0A output changes
things slightly! I'm now getting the following power output from my K2:-

80m - 17.2w
40m - 16.5w
30m - 15.7w
20m - 15.6w
17m - 15.6w
15m - 14.5w
12m - 14.0w
10m - 11.5w

Again these figures from the internal K2 power meter but the CB radio
pwr/swr meter agrees. Very happy chap with these figures :)

So now the only question that remains is the current draw. The K2 now
shows current draw values between 2.58A and 2.92A. Is this current draw
'normal' for these power output figures?

Cheers,

and sorry to trouble the group with my false alarm!

Steve
VK2SJA

K2 S/N 5556

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[Elecraft] K2 VCO Test and no VCO ref voltage

2006-07-13 Thread Mark RAYBOULD

Hi,

I am building my second K2.  First K2 no challenges at all but with this 
one I am falling down at the first major hurdle. 
Freq 10482.69 and should be between 8 to 10 MHz.

Trouble shooting no help.
VCO alignment - DMM reads 0.02V at R30 (should be 6V).  Any pointers 
much appreciated.


73, Mark,
G3XYS
(on or off line)
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RE: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5556 Transmitter Alignment - Doh!

2006-07-13 Thread Vin Cortina
Steve,

Honestly, if we had a contest for the most unbelieveable, boneheaded,
mindless mistakes ever made in electronics, you wouldn't even come in the
running.  I would beat you and everyone else on this list so badly, they
would have to give points to even it up.

Just shake it off and go to the next step.

Regards,

Vin Cortina  KR2F

K1-4 s/n:1977
KX1  s/n:1476 (even still under construction)


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G'day again,

I feel such a fool!

I almost have to ask everyone to disregard my previous post.

After turning off all the equipment ready to ...

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RE: [Elecraft] K2 S/N 5556 Transmitter Alignment - Doh!

2006-07-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve,

FB on your power supply confusion there.

The answer to your question depends on the voltage out of your power supply
(under load).  If it is only 12 volts, then my answer is yes, the current
draw is OK.  But if your power supply is developing 13.8 volts or a bit
more, then your current draw is a bit on the high side of normal.  It is not
so high that it would be something to worry about.  If you limit the power
to 12 watts, you will normally see 2.5 amps or less on all bands except for
10 meters.

Partial explaination: The K2 does internal power level control and will try
to ramp up the power to the level requested by the POWER knob.  To develop
12 watts with a 12 volt supply requires more current than if the voltage is
higher - it is a simple matter of Volts times Amps equals Power - the more
volts, the less current required since the K2 tries to keep the power
constant.

73,
Don W3FPR


 -Original Message-

 I almost have to ask everyone to disregard my previous post.

 After turning off all the equipment ready to shuffle off to bed (it's very
 late/early here) I'm looking at the lab style bench power supply that I'm
 using an realise that it's max supply current is only 2.5A. I was hitting
 the current max of the supply and it was going into 'current limit'
 dropping the supply voltage to about 10-11 volts and I had not realised.

 Switching to a slighly larger lab supply capable of 3.0A output changes
 things slightly! I'm now getting the following power output from my K2:-

 80m - 17.2w
 40m - 16.5w
 30m - 15.7w
 20m - 15.6w
 17m - 15.6w
 15m - 14.5w
 12m - 14.0w
 10m - 11.5w

 Again these figures from the internal K2 power meter but the CB radio
 pwr/swr meter agrees. Very happy chap with these figures :)

 So now the only question that remains is the current draw. The K2 now
 shows current draw values between 2.58A and 2.92A. Is this current draw
 'normal' for these power output figures?

 Cheers,

 and sorry to trouble the group with my false alarm!

 Steve
 VK2SJA

 K2 S/N 5556


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Re: [Elecraft] K1 problem

2006-07-13 Thread OZ9AEC
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:46:56 -0500 Dr. Dan Swartling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am half-way through building my K1 # and have hit a stumbling 
 block. How are trimmer caps C13 and C20 installed? On the revision E 
 board it is not obvious (to me) which way to orient the flat side.

Cool serial number!
I had the same problem. I looked them up in the parts placement
drawing at the back of the assembly manual and here I could clearly see
how they should be mounted. The flat side should face towards the back
of the PCB.

A rather bad picture, but this may help too:
http://www.oz9aec.dk/pictures/gal/Homebrew/Elecraft_K1/K1-0048.jpg


 
 Dan

73 Alex OZ9AEC
K1 #2172
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Re: [Elecraft] XV50 on 70MHz

2006-07-13 Thread f5nhj

Yep Allan... I'm here ..

ready to build a 70 mhz transverter if there is one from Elecraft ( with 
components included ) !!!


hope cu from

Jean louis
3A/F5NHJ.. if needed..
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[Elecraft] K2 backlighting brightness.

2006-07-13 Thread Mike

Hello Ron, and the List.
I've got K2 #0681  #2681 sitting next to each other here, both glowing 
happily - and equally!

I wonder, could it be that brighter leds were used in the later K2s??
Cheers, 73 to all.
Mike, zl1mh.



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[Elecraft] FW: [Moon-net] Elecraft K2 IF for EME

2006-07-13 Thread Lanier, Robert
 
Hi everyone,

I am forwarding this partial email thread from the Moon-net list to
everyone here on the Elecraft list in hopes to generate a good
discussion (not a flame war!) on the use of the K2 for weak signal use.
I would appreciate hearing all responses to this subject because I was
considering using the K2 (or maybe the K3?) for weak signal work
someday. What are the major strengths/weaknesses of the K2 in this area,
and what can be done to improve this.

There are some very knowledgable people on this list and your experience
in this area would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony   K4YYZ


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sergio
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:08 AM
To: D.W. Harms
Cc: Moon Net
Subject: Re: [Moon-net] Elecraft K2 IF for EME

All,

I used to have a K2 and I share the same comments you have mentioned as 
well as Shawn's one.  Aside a number of minor things, I was mostly 
annoyed by the bad ripple of the IF filters too, which is not a trivial 
thing. They kept the filters area still at a 'very kit level' , maybe it

would have been better to put some extra effort there.

Another major draw back for me it was the 10Hz step tuning, which with 
the very tight DSP set at maybe 50Hz BW it didn't really ensure a proper

operation in CW/weak signals. Yes one could eventually set the RIT as 
the 'fine resolution tune' but then the split function was lost and, in 
my case, I could not compensate the doppler anymore thus being obliged 
to use another rig in TX...

This is just to report my practical experience, it is not my intention 
to bias any soul. Aside this, I also have to report that building the 
radio was definitely a nice experience bringing a lot of satisfaction 
and excitement during its progression.

Sergio IK2MMB


D.W. Harms wrote:
 Hi Don e.e.
 
 Besides my home mde transceiver I have the K2 with a built in DEM
 transvertor (144-28 ECK) in use since Januari 2004.
 In combination with the transvertor it slightly outperforms my home
made
 transceiver. I can highly recommend the radio!
 
 There are only two things that bother me:
 
 1. The throughput gain on 28 MHz seems to be low. I made a seperate
output
 on the rig to bring the 28 MHz signal to my Drake R7/Tr7 combination
and I
 have obviously more signal there. This of course could influance the
 overall noise floor...
 The K2 really marvels at the lower HF-bands, but the front-end filters
on
 28 MHz are not that good. That is probably why the excellent
strong-signal
 behaviour for which the K2 is well-known, is not too obvious on 28
MHz. I
 sometimes think about replacing the frontend filters, or to change the
IF
 to 14 MHz.
 
 2. The IF-filter seems to produce some ripple, as reported by another
ham
 here on moonnet. Of course this is a killer in weak signal work! I
have
 not noticed it myself, but heard others (PA0CHN) complain about it.
 
 It was fun building the radio during the x-mas holidays together with
my
 youngest son. So if you are looking for a heatkit-like project, then
go
 for it!
 It is a superb radio for portable work. I use it in combination with a
 300W mosfet amp for MS-work and have good experiences. It is probably
much
 better than the average portbale multi-multi band rice-boxes...
 
 I am not too sure yet if it is the best radio for weak-signal EME
work. I
 have to  do some more investigation. It is hard to judge given the
fact
 that I have lots of urban noise, something that EVERY radio would
suffer
 from hi!
 
 I also saw a remark about microphones. Well, I have used the K2 wit
both
 an electret and a MD-microphone. Both worked well, though you should
not
 expect HIFI reports...  But then again, I am no fone-fan so I dont
bother
 too much...
 
 VY 73, Dick PA2DW
 
 
 
 Is anyone using the Elecraft K2 transceiver on 28 MHz as the IF in
an
 EME system?  If so I would appreciate your evaluation of the K2 in
terms
 of  receive capability of weak EME cw signals. Please reply direct
to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Elecraft] FW: [Moon-net] Elecraft K2 IF for EME

2006-07-13 Thread John D'Ausilio

I actually posted the start of this thread here a couple of days ago ..

They've got valid points for EME, but they don't apply so much to
typical VHF/UHF contest work. I've only got one rove in using the
Elecraft stuff .. the low band station worked great once I got the
right combination of IF cables and Ts. Strong signal performance was
great, conditions were so poor that there wasn't much weak signal
around :(

The high band station ended up using an IC-706, but that was a failure
in the 144-28 xverter .. we used the K2 as the bandswitch, because I
had integrated everything from 903-10G using a custom-mapped KRC2

I'll have more to say in the fall after I get more experience and
tweak out some bugs, but so far I like it

de w1rt/john

On 7/13/06, Lanier, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi everyone,

I am forwarding this partial email thread from the Moon-net list to
everyone here on the Elecraft list in hopes to generate a good
discussion (not a flame war!) on the use of the K2 for weak signal use.
I would appreciate hearing all responses to this subject because I was
considering using the K2 (or maybe the K3?) for weak signal work
someday. What are the major strengths/weaknesses of the K2 in this area,
and what can be done to improve this.

There are some very knowledgable people on this list and your experience
in this area would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony   K4YYZ


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sergio
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:08 AM
To: D.W. Harms
Cc: Moon Net
Subject: Re: [Moon-net] Elecraft K2 IF for EME

All,

I used to have a K2 and I share the same comments you have mentioned as
well as Shawn's one.  Aside a number of minor things, I was mostly
annoyed by the bad ripple of the IF filters too, which is not a trivial
thing. They kept the filters area still at a 'very kit level' , maybe it

would have been better to put some extra effort there.

Another major draw back for me it was the 10Hz step tuning, which with
the very tight DSP set at maybe 50Hz BW it didn't really ensure a proper

operation in CW/weak signals. Yes one could eventually set the RIT as
the 'fine resolution tune' but then the split function was lost and, in
my case, I could not compensate the doppler anymore thus being obliged
to use another rig in TX...

This is just to report my practical experience, it is not my intention
to bias any soul. Aside this, I also have to report that building the
radio was definitely a nice experience bringing a lot of satisfaction
and excitement during its progression.

Sergio IK2MMB


D.W. Harms wrote:
 Hi Don e.e.

 Besides my home mde transceiver I have the K2 with a built in DEM
 transvertor (144-28 ECK) in use since Januari 2004.
 In combination with the transvertor it slightly outperforms my home
made
 transceiver. I can highly recommend the radio!

 There are only two things that bother me:

 1. The throughput gain on 28 MHz seems to be low. I made a seperate
output
 on the rig to bring the 28 MHz signal to my Drake R7/Tr7 combination
and I
 have obviously more signal there. This of course could influance the
 overall noise floor...
 The K2 really marvels at the lower HF-bands, but the front-end filters
on
 28 MHz are not that good. That is probably why the excellent
strong-signal
 behaviour for which the K2 is well-known, is not too obvious on 28
MHz. I
 sometimes think about replacing the frontend filters, or to change the
IF
 to 14 MHz.

 2. The IF-filter seems to produce some ripple, as reported by another
ham
 here on moonnet. Of course this is a killer in weak signal work! I
have
 not noticed it myself, but heard others (PA0CHN) complain about it.

 It was fun building the radio during the x-mas holidays together with
my
 youngest son. So if you are looking for a heatkit-like project, then
go
 for it!
 It is a superb radio for portable work. I use it in combination with a
 300W mosfet amp for MS-work and have good experiences. It is probably
much
 better than the average portbale multi-multi band rice-boxes...

 I am not too sure yet if it is the best radio for weak-signal EME
work. I
 have to  do some more investigation. It is hard to judge given the
fact
 that I have lots of urban noise, something that EVERY radio would
suffer
 from hi!

 I also saw a remark about microphones. Well, I have used the K2 wit
both
 an electret and a MD-microphone. Both worked well, though you should
not
 expect HIFI reports...  But then again, I am no fone-fan so I dont
bother
 too much...

 VY 73, Dick PA2DW



 Is anyone using the Elecraft K2 transceiver on 28 MHz as the IF in
an
 EME system?  If so I would appreciate your evaluation of the K2 in
terms
 of  receive capability of weak EME cw signals. Please reply direct
to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [Elecraft] FW: [Moon-net] Elecraft K2 IF for EME

2006-07-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tony,

I do not have any real experience with weak signal VHF work, but I do have
some comments about the K2 on a technical basis that may help in your
decisions.

I would be interested to know what the filter width was in use that
generated those comments as well as the serial number of the K2 that was
being used for that evaluation.  Some of those deficiencies have been
addressed and corrected along the K2's migration progress.

The facts as I know them - the K2 SSB filter has very little ripple in the
passband.  The filter crystal specs (for all the IF crystals) were improved
between Elecraft and the crystal vendor and the improved crystals have been
in K2s since SN 2560.

Secondly, the variable width (CW) filter on the RF board presents a smooth
single-nosed passband if the filter width is set to 1000 Hz or less.  Wider
passbands do tend to break up into multiple peaks which may be troublesome
to some applications, but that is the downside to attemting to use a filter
designed for best response in the 400 to 600 Hz width range at a very wide
setting - it works OK for SSB voice reception, but it certainly is not an
optimum filter shape.

Yes, the K2 is limited to 10 Hz steps - that is just part of the design
compromises that were deemed acceptable  Even RIT does not circumvent this
limitation - the firmware controls the steps and RIT works through the
firmware.

For Satellite work, several folks have previously commented that the biggest
downside for the K2 is the fact that the frequency cannot be changed while
transmitting.  That may not be a factor in many situations but where the
transmit frequency must be changed to compensate for doppler, all I can say
is that the K2 was not designed to do that task.  Maybe the K3 or K? (if it
ever gets into the product plan) will address that problem.

The 28 MHz bandpass is broader than the others, and could possibly be
improved if designed for a more narrow passband, but for HF use, that
bandpass filter must be rather wide - as it is now on the K2, the speced 10
meter band is 28.0 to 28.8 MHz rather than going up to 29.7, so some
compromises have already been put in place.  The one nice thing about the K2
is that it can be changed to better meet the needs of a particular group of
folks if desired - the network is nothing more than a double tuned bandpass
filter, and the filter components can be altered for a more narrow peak if
that is desirable.

73,
Don W3FPR


 -Original Message-

 I am forwarding this partial email thread from the Moon-net list to
 everyone here on the Elecraft list in hopes to generate a good
 discussion (not a flame war!) on the use of the K2 for weak signal use.
 I would appreciate hearing all responses to this subject because I was
 considering using the K2 (or maybe the K3?) for weak signal work
 someday. What are the major strengths/weaknesses of the K2 in this area,
 and what can be done to improve this.

 There are some very knowledgable people on this list and your experience
 in this area would be most appreciated.

 Thanks,
 Tony   K4YYZ


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[Elecraft] F/S K1 4 band XCVR

2006-07-13 Thread Lou Roux
I have a very nicely built late serial # (21xx) K1 for sale with 40, 30, 
20 and 15 meter band filters, KAT1 ATU and the new lighted display. Also 
includes a nice homebrew tilt bale. Radio is in excellent condx in all 
respects w/full output power on all bands. All manuals and 'spare parts' 
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: [Moon-net] Elecraft K2 IF for EME

2006-07-13 Thread Karl Larsen

Hi  Don  and  the  others.  I'm an EE and here are some things to
   consider.  For  EME  the K2 will be driving the transmitter via a high
   level  mixer   and  the receiver will be a converter built to tune 432
   MHz. If I were doing it I would mix down to 14.000 to 14.350 MHz. This
   makes the good things about the K2 fully functional :-)
   The S/N is a total function of the first RF stage of the converter
   at  432  MHz  IF  the  stage  gain is 15 DB or more. If you don't have
   enough gain you can put an IF stage in the converter.
The  10 HZ tuning step is kind of odd to me. My At-Sprint 3 has a
   DDS  frequency  generator  that  is of a step type. It is around 10 Hz
   too.  My  Yaesu  radios  tune smoothly and the FT-817 has been a great
   radio  for EME work. It is very common now. The 817 has a little phase
   lock loop noise that the gain of the converter masks with signal+noise
   from  432 MHz. And you can buy the ultra stable crystal oscillator kit
   for the 817 that makes it very stable. The standard crystal oscillator
   is not good enough :-)
   73 Karl K5DI
   Don Wilhelm wrote:

Tony,

I do not have any real experience with weak signal VHF work, but I do have
some comments about the K2 on a technical basis that may help in your
decisions.

I would be interested to know what the filter width was in use that
generated those comments as well as the serial number of the K2 that was
being used for that evaluation.  Some of those deficiencies have been
addressed and corrected along the K2's migration progress.

The facts as I know them - the K2 SSB filter has very little ripple in the
passband.  The filter crystal specs (for all the IF crystals) were improved
between Elecraft and the crystal vendor and the improved crystals have been
in K2s since SN 2560.

Secondly, the variable width (CW) filter on the RF board presents a smooth
single-nosed passband if the filter width is set to 1000 Hz or less.  Wider
passbands do tend to break up into multiple peaks which may be troublesome
to some applications, but that is the downside to attemting to use a filter
designed for best response in the 400 to 600 Hz width range at a very wide
setting - it works OK for SSB voice reception, but it certainly is not an
optimum filter shape.

Yes, the K2 is limited to 10 Hz steps - that is just part of the design
compromises that were deemed acceptable  Even RIT does not circumvent this
limitation - the firmware controls the steps and RIT works through the
firmware.

For Satellite work, several folks have previously commented that the biggest
downside for the K2 is the fact that the frequency cannot be changed while
transmitting.  That may not be a factor in many situations but where the
transmit frequency must be changed to compensate for doppler, all I can say
is that the K2 was not designed to do that task.  Maybe the K3 or K? (if it
ever gets into the product plan) will address that problem.

The 28 MHz bandpass is broader than the others, and could possibly be
improved if designed for a more narrow passband, but for HF use, that
bandpass filter must be rather wide - as it is now on the K2, the speced 10
meter band is 28.0 to 28.8 MHz rather than going up to 29.7, so some
compromises have already been put in place.  The one nice thing about the K2
is that it can be changed to better meet the needs of a particular group of
folks if desired - the network is nothing more than a double tuned bandpass
filter, and the filter components can be altered for a more narrow peak if
that is desirable.

73,
Don W3FPR


  

-Original Message-

I am forwarding this partial email thread from the Moon-net list to
everyone here on the Elecraft list in hopes to generate a good
discussion (not a flame war!) on the use of the K2 for weak signal use.
I would appreciate hearing all responses to this subject because I was
considering using the K2 (or maybe the K3?) for weak signal work
someday. What are the major strengths/weaknesses of the K2 in this area,
and what can be done to improve this.

There are some very knowledgable people on this list and your experience
in this area would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
Tony   K4YYZ


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[Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly

2006-07-13 Thread Michael Cook
Hi all. I just got my K2 in the mail this morning (hooray!) and I've  
been busily assembling. I did the control board and all checked out  
there. Now I've soldered most all of the front panel and I got to the  
resistance checks and ran into a problem.


Now when doing the resistance checks so far, when the manual says a  
range, things have been in that range. When the manual says 50k or  
1M, things have been fine. My meter reads something (usually about  
4-6M). So I went through the resistance tests three times but I'm  
running into problems.


The first 40 test points (the pins on the LCD driver IC, U1) worked  
fine. Everything was as expected.


Then I got to the 20 tests on J1. The first 7 pins of J1 (measured at  
the solder point) are all OL which is my meters way of telling me  
that the probes aren't connected. In other words, infinite resistance.


Most of the rest of J1 works. Pin 8 measures zero, pin 10 measures  
4.4M (should be 50k), pin 12 and 14 both work (6.6M), and everything  
15 and above checks out too.


Pins 1-7, 9, and 11 all register as unconnected. I've even tried  
measuring from other pads that are connected by traces (for example,  
some of those connect to where the shaft encoder will go) but they  
still register unconnected.


Everything looks soldered well, I see no bridges, etc. I've build  
tons of kits, I'm quite confident in my skills. I just need to know  
what to check.


-- Michael Cook
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RE: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly

2006-07-13 Thread Vin Cortina
Michael,

OL may also mean out of range.  Take the auto ranging off your DMM.  OL
may just mean resistance is higher than current range allows, or something.

Vin Cortina  KR2F

K1-4 s/n:1977
KX1  s/n:1476


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Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:22 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly


Hi all. I just got my K2 in the mail this morning (hooray!) and I've
been busily assembling. I did the control board and all checked out
there. Now I've soldered most all of the front panel and I got to the
resistance checks and ran into a problem.

Now when doing the resistance checks so far, when the manual says a
range, things have been in that range. When the manual says 50k or
1M, things have been fine. My meter reads something (usually about
4-6M). So I went through the resistance tests three times but I'm
running into problems.

The first 40 test points (the pins on the LCD driver IC, U1) worked
fine. Everything was as expected.

Then I got to the 20 tests on J1. The first 7 pins of J1 (measured at
the solder point) are all OL which is my meters way of telling me
that the probes aren't connected. In other words, infinite resistance.

Most of the rest of J1 works. Pin 8 measures zero, pin 10 measures
4.4M (should be 50k), pin 12 and 14 both work (6.6M), and everything
15 and above checks out too.

Pins 1-7, 9, and 11 all register as unconnected. I've even tried
measuring from other pads that are connected by traces (for example,
some of those connect to where the shaft encoder will go) but they
still register unconnected.

Everything looks soldered well, I see no bridges, etc. I've build
tons of kits, I'm quite confident in my skills. I just need to know
what to check.

-- Michael Cook
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RE: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly

2006-07-13 Thread Michael Cook
OL may also mean out of range.  Take the auto ranging off your  
DMM.  OL
may just mean resistance is higher than current range allows, or  
something.


Vin Cortina  KR2F


I just tried that, as well as my other DMM, and the same thing is  
still happening. For what it's worth, I think the guts of my second  
meter (sold by Radio Shack) are actually made by the same company as  
my first meter (Metex Instruments).


I tried both auto ranging (as I keep the meter on) and the highest  
range (dual digit mega-ohm, so it could show 37.5 M for example).


I have installed the parts on the board that you install for the  
KSB2, for what it's worth. I don't think that would change anything,  
but there you go.


There is a tiny chance I have an old analog meter somewhere, I'll  
hunt for it tomorrow.

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Re: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly

2006-07-13 Thread Michael Cook


On Jul 13, 2006, at 8:36 PM, W6NEK wrote:


Hi Michael,
I get the same type Open Circuit resistance readings as you and  
my K2's worked just fine.  All it means is the series resistance  
between J1 Pins 1 - 7 is greater then 10 megs to ground which my  
DMM reads as Open Circuit.  If I were you, I would proceed with the  
build.  I think all is fine with your build so far.


73,
Frank - W6NEK
PS - I have built 11 K2's so far and they all acted the same as far  
as high resistance readings are concerned.


Thanks, that is kind of what I was thinking. I saw the note that 50k  
can read as open, but it threw me for a loop because up to that point  
everything that said 50k had read something, but all of a sudden  
some of the pins weren't doing that.

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RE: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly

2006-07-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
WATCH OUT, WATCH OUT! Do NOT dig out that old analog meter unless you KNOW
it's designed for modern solid state gear. Making a single measurement with
it can fry more I.C.s, diodes and transistors than you may care to count!

Older meters put way too much voltage on the circuit and allowed way to much
current to pass for modern devices. 

Open circuit is  50 K, or whatever so your find with any such readings. 

Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Cook
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:24 PM
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly


 OL may also mean out of range.  Take the auto ranging off your
 DMM.  OL
 may just mean resistance is higher than current range allows, or  
 something.

 Vin Cortina  KR2F

I just tried that, as well as my other DMM, and the same thing is  
still happening. For what it's worth, I think the guts of my second  
meter (sold by Radio Shack) are actually made by the same company as  
my first meter (Metex Instruments).

I tried both auto ranging (as I keep the meter on) and the highest  
range (dual digit mega-ohm, so it could show 37.5 M for example).

I have installed the parts on the board that you install for the  
KSB2, for what it's worth. I don't think that would change anything,  
but there you go.

There is a tiny chance I have an old analog meter somewhere, I'll  
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[Elecraft] coil info

2006-07-13 Thread james
Can some one tell me the person who is winding the coils for the k2 have a 
friend who wants some coils wound Sincerely Harold n5tog
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RE: [Elecraft] coil info

2006-07-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mychael winds great toroids and his prices
are reasonable.  You can download his price list and order form at the
Elecraft website

73,
Don W3FPR


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 Can some one tell me the person who is winding the coils for the
 k2 have a friend who wants some coils wound Sincerely Harold n5tog


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RE: [Elecraft] Resistance Checks During Front Panel Assembly

2006-07-13 Thread Don Wilhelm
Michael,

A resistance reading stated as 50k can indeed be an open circuit.
Infinitity is greater than 50k.
One reason they are should not listed in the manual as open circuit is that
many meters will respond to just the resistance of your body should you make
contact with the probes.

If you follow the schematic, you will indeed find that at this point of
assembly, those points are really open circuits.  The resistance check is
mainly to find any solder bridges or other assembly errors - since your
meter reads as though they are open circuits, all is well.

There is a statement that the high resistance readings may actually indicate
infinite resistance, exactly as you have found to be true.  No need to use
another meter to check anything.

73,
Don W3FPR


 -Original Message-

 Hi all. I just got my K2 in the mail this morning (hooray!) and I've
 been busily assembling. I did the control board and all checked out
 there. Now I've soldered most all of the front panel and I got to the
 resistance checks and ran into a problem.

 Now when doing the resistance checks so far, when the manual says a
 range, things have been in that range. When the manual says 50k or
 1M, things have been fine. My meter reads something (usually about
 4-6M). So I went through the resistance tests three times but I'm
 running into problems.

 The first 40 test points (the pins on the LCD driver IC, U1) worked
 fine. Everything was as expected.

 Then I got to the 20 tests on J1. The first 7 pins of J1 (measured at
 the solder point) are all OL which is my meters way of telling me
 that the probes aren't connected. In other words, infinite resistance.

 Most of the rest of J1 works. Pin 8 measures zero, pin 10 measures
 4.4M (should be 50k), pin 12 and 14 both work (6.6M), and everything
 15 and above checks out too.

 Pins 1-7, 9, and 11 all register as unconnected. I've even tried
 measuring from other pads that are connected by traces (for example,
 some of those connect to where the shaft encoder will go) but they
 still register unconnected.



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Re: [Elecraft] XV50 on 70MHz

2006-07-13 Thread Chris Page
I have been so pleased with my XV50 that I have just started using on 
6m, that I would jump at the chance to buy an XV70 to be QRV on 
70MHz.  Please Elecraft, think seriously about producing one.

73 de Chris, G4BUE

On 13 Jul 2006 at 9:45, Allan Duncan wrote:

 I have been very pleased with My K2 which I purchased at Dayton back
 in
 2005. So pleased, that I have persuaded a few others to take the
 plunge and
 build K2’s, here in the UK.
 
 I have been looking at the feasibility of building an Elecraft XV50
 for the
 70MHz band to use with my K2.  Interest in this band is mushrooming
 in
 Europe with new countries gaining 70MHz allocations almost on a
 monthly
 basis. ( http://www.70mhz.org )
 
 The modifications required would seem to be fairly straightforward
 but I
 have no illusions to be an RF design engineer!
 
 The Mitsubishi RA30H0608M power module would be a drop in
 replacement for
 the M57735 (using the XV144’s biasing circuit). There would need to
 be a few
 L and C value changes in the TX LPF and the mixer BPF too. The LO
 would have
 to be changed to 42MHz (from 22MHz). I am a bit confused on the
 choice of
 driver – SGA7489 in the XV50, ERA-5 in the XV144 and back to the
 SGA7489 in
 the XV222. Presumably the SGA7489 would be OK at 70MHz?
 
 Has anyone on the list already done all of the above? – I have no
 wish to
 re-invent the wheel. I would be pleased to hear of the component
 values
 required. There does not appear to be anything specific in the
 archive.
 
 Whilst I am aware that Elecraft’s core market is in the US and
 Canada, I
 think they are missing an opportunity to create a successful new
 product for
 a very minimum of RD effort. I think an Elecraft “XV70” would do
 well in
 Europe as there is a lack of any competition for equipment on this
 rapidly
 expanding band.  The XV series have very flexible interfacing and I
 am sure
 would prove a popular way for stations to get on the band with
 their
 existing HF transceiver.
 
 It may even encourage a few more European VHF hams to go on and
 build a K2
 as well!  
 
 73
 
 Allan
 GM4ZUK
 
 
 
 
 
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