[Elecraft] k1 battery option and mods

2007-09-03 Thread Henning V. Mikkelsen
Hi all
Just acuired a secondhand K1 and I'm thinking about adding the battery
option
and hope to get some coments on the usability of this option

If anyone has made a drawing of the metal plate that goes inside, I would
like
to receive a copy. I'm going to make some mock-up before ordering the
option.
I'm also thinking about making one or two other mods. Especially the added
caps for broader tuning range on 40m. and maybe backlight.
But other sugestions on mods for the K1 are more than welcome.

73- Henning OZ4XF


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[Elecraft] Tan vs Gray K3 Knobs?

2007-09-03 Thread Fred (FL)
It seemed from the start, the K3 had tan-ish
principle push buttons.  Recent photos of the
K3 - seem to indicate in some of the versions
(prototype, modelshop, early RD) these buttons are
straight GRAY?   Which are they?  I  got
to believe they would be TAN, blending along
with the color scheme of the display?

Fred
de N3CSY


  

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[Elecraft] k1 battery option and mods

2007-09-03 Thread k4zm

Henning:

I would not install the internal battery option.  It requires that you 
install a smaller speaker and there is always the danger of the batteries 
leaking and damaging the board in the K1.  It is very easy to make up a 
small battery pack and a short cable to connect it to the radio. 
Additionally you have to remove the batteries to charge them if you use 
ni-cads. I use a small 12volt 2.2 amp gel cell which will operate the K1 for 
most of a weekend.  One other thing is that the option provides for only 
eight AA cells and they will only produce 12.0Volts at maximum voltage when 
using standard AA, only 10.8 Volts when using nic-cads, and the Gel Cell 
will provide about 13.8 Volts at maximum.  The output power of the K1 is 
directly proportional to the input voltage supply. I installed the internal 
battery in my K2 and later removed it because of the danger of the leaking 
battery and the fact that it made the K2 much heavier.


I would not install the extended coverage in the VFO because the tuning 
becomes very touchy.  One rotation of the knob causes a much greater change 
in frequency.  In the 80KHz setting you have about 8KHz per revolution of 
the tuning knob and in the 180KHz setting it is 18KHz per revolution.


I love the backlight option and highly recommend it to you.  It is very easy 
to install and makes the K1 much nicer when operating at night.


Please understand these are my personal observations and preferences. You 
may have other reasons for making the changes.


Jim Younce K4ZM
K2  SN:18
K2 Field Tester 


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[Elecraft] Elecraft receiver experience

2007-09-03 Thread DickandSandy
After this weekend's hamfest I was reading my new ARRL 2007 handbook to see
what might be NEW in ARRL testing of receivers, I came across this sentence
that I thought pretty well summed up my experience with my K2 receiver.

On page 10.7 3rd column  When using a good receiver with a linear front end
and a clean LO, amateurs accustomed to receivers with poor phase-noise
performance report the impression of a seemingly emptier band with gaps
between signals -- and then they begin to find readable signals in some of
the gaps.

This whole section in the handbook reveals the science behind the efforts
engineers put into receiver design and why phase noise is so important for
both the receive and transmit performance.

Dick
WB7OND
hanging around for shipment 2
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Re: [Elecraft] My K2 is a Low Rider!

2007-09-03 Thread JT Croteau
On 9/3/07, k4zm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It sounds like you have the bottom plate mounted 180 degrees out or have not
 installed the bail assy.  The bottom should be installed so that the bail
 assy is located near the front of the K2.  Also if mounted 180 degrees out I
 don't think you can install the two screws in the middle of the bottom
 cover.  These are important in making the PLL a stable unit.

Nope, everything is installed correctly.  Bail was a pain to install
but I finally got it  installed just fine.  It isn't off by much but
noticeable when sitting flat on the desk.  It's probably a 1/16th or
1/32nd shorter in the front but I haven't measured yet so maybe my
eyes are playing a trick on me.

-- 
JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 NB

2007-09-03 Thread Mike Scott
Brett,

OTHR is a big problem in NA, at least on the west coast. On 40M in the early
AM it can prevent operation over the entire CW segment using my current
equipment (no noise blanker). This is a primary focus of my wanting NB
capability. 

I have yet to hear a report of any tester on the efficacy of the K3 NB on
OTHR. Perhaps this is because the NB is late-arrival functionality and the
summer QRN has just about shut the band down here during the early dark
hours.  For example this morning; I can't hear one CW signal through the
noise at 5:00am local. During winter up through late July this was prime DX
time except when the OTHR was present. When it was I just turn the radio
off.


Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
QRP-ARCI #12326/ KX1  #1311/ Swan 350C


Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:58:34 +
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
From: VR2BrettGraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NB

K6DGW replied to N6RY's apparently somewhat-not-serious
response:

  How about some simple countermeasures (for a future firmware release):
  Blank, then transmit an equal length pulse (on a clear frequency, of
  course), with optional automatic ID every N minutes.

If it's anything like the Russian woodpecker, it likely transmits a
string of bits using a psuedo-random code in each pulse', and the radar
RX can separate it's own echoes from fake ones.

One suggestion we had from RAAF's 1RSU (VK air force's unit
that runs their OTHR systems) early on was that the Hainan
woodpecker might be a comms system.

A constant pulse train on HF would be hard to use to convey
any data with either amplitude or phase.  And no one has yet to
see anything but the pulses that make the woodpecker sound.

The reason why we could force the Russian woodpecker to
move back in the late 70s/early 80s was because they
apparently could not differentiate between echoes from their
pulses  anything else that looked like them.

Since then, technology has come a long way  it is easy to
imagine the computing horsepower  DSP now available
would make most active countermeasures useless.

And in practice, that seems to be the case.

I get the impression here that OTHR isn't a problem in NA.  You
lot are very lucky then.  In ITU Regions 1  3, it is a _big_
problem.

73, VR10BrettGraham/p.

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Re: [Elecraft] My K2 is a Low Rider!

2007-09-03 Thread Ken K3IU

JT:

To give you another data point, I just measured my K2 (#5413) and it is 
slightly *higher* in the front. With the bail not extended and measuring 
from the bottom of the side panels to the tabletop at the front and rear.


Front Clearance ~15/32 in
Rear Clearance  ~27/64 in

Both +/- eyeball error. Both sides were about the same.

73,
Ken K3IU
~~~
JT Croteau wrote:

On 9/3/07, k4zm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

It sounds like you have the bottom plate mounted 180 degrees out or have not
installed the bail assy.  The bottom should be installed so that the bail
assy is located near the front of the K2.  Also if mounted 180 degrees out I
don't think you can install the two screws in the middle of the bottom
cover.  These are important in making the PLL a stable unit.



Nope, everything is installed correctly.  Bail was a pain to install
but I finally got it  installed just fine.  It isn't off by much but
noticeable when sitting flat on the desk.  It's probably a 1/16th or
1/32nd shorter in the front but I haven't measured yet so maybe my
eyes are playing a trick on me.

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 First Impressions from a Field Tester

2007-09-03 Thread Paul




The K3 certainly sounds like an interesting rig. One thing I would 
like to see is some pictures of the internals of the K3. Pictures of 
the modules and how they are located in the K3 would be nice, along 
with pictures showing how cramped (or open) is the inside of the K3.


www.N4LCD.com/k3




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Re: [Elecraft] My K2 is a Low Rider!

2007-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

JT,

Measure your rear feet.  Perhaps you have the wrong ones - but I do not 
know of other Elecraft products that use different size feet (although 
the K3 may have higher feet).


I just measured 3 K2s with my shop dial caliper.  My old SN 20 front 
feet measure 0.430 inches and the rear feet are 0.410 (maybe from slight 
compression over the years).  SN 586x has 0.430 front feet and the rear 
feet measure 0.427 inches and SN 619x has 0.430 front feet and the rear 
feet are 0.425 inches.  So all will have a very slight back tilt.


I can think of only 2 possibilities - one is that you mounted the 
lockwashers between the feet and the rear panel (they should be next to 
the nuts on the inside), or two is that somehow your rear feet are 
incorrect due to some mixup in parts.


73,
Don W3FPR


Nope, everything is installed correctly.  Bail was a pain to install
but I finally got it  installed just fine.  It isn't off by much but
noticeable when sitting flat on the desk.  It's probably a 1/16th or
1/32nd shorter in the front but I haven't measured yet so maybe my
eyes are playing a trick on me.

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 First Impressions from a Field Tester

2007-09-03 Thread Kevin Cozens

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The K3 certainly sounds like an interesting rig. One thing I would 
like to see is some pictures of the internals of the K3.

[snip]

www.N4LCD.com/k3


Thanks, Paul. Is that pretty much a basic K3? I see Elecraft has done their 
usual nice job of having things connect together with almost no internal wires 
needed compared to the amount of internal wiring harnesses seen in other 
commercial rigs.


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Cheers!

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Re: [Elecraft] k1 battery option and mods

2007-09-03 Thread Ralph Tyrrell
Henning:
I have K1 #1423, my only HF rig at this time, 4 bands.
 
I have always used an external battery, a bit more
bulk but I did not have to disturb the insides of the
K1, or worry about battery leaks. 
I first built the K1 using 150KHz range for the
tuning. Tuning was much too difficult to use. Since
then I have adjusted the tuning range several times,
now it is back to about 80 KHz. I miss having a larger
tuning range and I want more bands, a K2 or K3 will
fix that. 

Hilsen fra USA. 
73, Ty, W1TF  ex OX5BT
--- Henning V. Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Hi all
 Just acuired a secondhand K1 and I'm thinking about
 adding the battery
 option
 and hope to get some coments on the usability of
 this option
 
 If anyone has made a drawing of the metal plate that
 goes inside, I would
 like
 to receive a copy. I'm going to make some mock-up
 before ordering the
 option.
 I'm also thinking about making one or two other
 mods. Especially the added
 caps for broader tuning range on 40m. and maybe
 backlight.
 But other sugestions on mods for the K1 are more
 than welcome.
 
 73- Henning OZ4XF
 
 




   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 First Impressions from a Field Tester

2007-09-03 Thread Kevin Cozens

Greg wrote:

Kevin.  The first time you like inside a bare K3 you'll probably say to
yourself, that's it?  :)


That is probably the reaction I had when I first saw pictures of the inside of 
a K2. With all the features listed as being in the K3 I thought it might have 
been a bit more crowded in there. Just lots of room for add-on options. It 
probably would have been a bit more crowded in the box if Elecraft hadn't 
cheated this time around by using surface mount components but if they 
hadn't dont that, the box would probably have needed to be bigger. :-)


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[Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread Dave Van Wallaghen
OT I know, but it does relate to my K2 ;-)

Wondering if anyone on the list might have a recommendation for a simple QRP
antenna for use in a hotel? My wife is attending a conference in Chicago in
a couple of weeks and I'm going with. When she booked the hotel, I just
asked that we get a room as high as possible. I'm not sure what we got yet.

I'm taking my K2 (I bought a nice Pelican case for it a few months ago) and
a few spools of small enameled wire. I was thinking of just using a 65' end
fed with a 1/4 wavelength counterpoise for 40m operation. I've also done
some reading on the W3EDP antenna. 

Anyone have some decent experiences out there? Or, bad ones that I should
stay away from? 

Dave W8FGU
K2 #5099

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[Elecraft] Of topic - For sale items

2007-09-03 Thread Ken Kaplan

Minor shack (and workbench) cleaning:

UTC S-19 modulation transformer - $15 + shipping

KD1JV MS-DDS-60 VFO controller for the NJQRP DDS-60 - $25 + shipping
(DDS-60 not included)

TenTec 1208 6m/20m transverter - Receiver works, but I cannot get any 
transmit power out - $35 + shipping


(I ship UPS as I have a daily pickup - zip 11779).

Please email me off list (wb2art at arrl dot net) if you have any questions.

73
Ken WB2ART

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Re: [Elecraft] k1 battery option and mods

2007-09-03 Thread Dave G4AON
I wholeheartedly endorse the comments by Jim, K4ZM. The back light is 
really nice. I use a pack of 10 x AA sized 2700 mAH NiMh cells in a 
battery holder inside a plastic project box. The battery pack has a 
solid state self resetting fuse and short cable to the K1. It is charged 
with a small home made variable voltage/current bench power supply.


73 Dave, G4AON
K1 #1154, K2 #1892, K3 (fingers crossed)  #200
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Re: [Elecraft] Off topic - For sale items

2007-09-03 Thread Ken Kaplan

The MS-DDS-60 and Tentec 1208 have been spoken for.

Still have the UTC S-19 modulation xformer.

I'll post smoe more goodies as I finish cleaning!

Please email me off list (wb2art at arrl dot net) if you have any
questions.

73
Ken WB2ART

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Dave
One thing you will need is a way to hold the wire
away from the side of the building.  A telescoping
fishing pole would be the easiest to take along
and draw no comments.  You can stick it out a
window and let the thin wire hang down in the
clear.
Good luck and 73
Bob N6WG

- Original Message -
From: Dave Van Wallaghen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna


 OT I know, but it does relate to my K2 ;-)

 Wondering if anyone on the list might have a recommendation for a simple
QRP
 antenna for use in a hotel? My wife is attending a conference in Chicago
in
 a couple of weeks and I'm going with. When she booked the hotel, I just
 asked that we get a room as high as possible. I'm not sure what we got
yet.

 I'm taking my K2 (I bought a nice Pelican case for it a few months ago)
and
 a few spools of small enameled wire. I was thinking of just using a 65'
end
 fed with a 1/4 wavelength counterpoise for 40m operation. I've also done
 some reading on the W3EDP antenna.

 Anyone have some decent experiences out there? Or, bad ones that I should
 stay away from?

 Dave W8FGU
 K2 #5099

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread K9ZTV
Unless your hotel is considerably dated, you won't be able to even open 
a window, let along get an antenna out.


There is so much wiring, piping, metal, conduit, and internal noise in a 
hotel, especially a high-rise, that you're not going to hear anything 
anyway.


I've tied many times over the years and consider it a bust.

K9ZTV



Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:


OT I know, but it does relate to my K2 ;-)

Wondering if anyone on the list might have a recommendation for a simple QRP
antenna for use in a hotel? My wife is attending a conference in Chicago in
a couple of weeks and I'm going with. When she booked the hotel, I just
asked that we get a room as high as possible. I'm not sure what we got yet.

I'm taking my K2 (I bought a nice Pelican case for it a few months ago) and
a few spools of small enameled wire. I was thinking of just using a 65' end
fed with a 1/4 wavelength counterpoise for 40m operation. I've also done
some reading on the W3EDP antenna. 


Anyone have some decent experiences out there? Or, bad ones that I should
stay away from? 


Dave W8FGU
K2 #5099

 


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread Joe-aa4nn

Maybe a room on the south side.
The biferglass crappie pole is a good idea.
de Joe, aa4nn

My wife is attending a conference in Chicago in

a couple of weeks and I'm going with. When she booked the hotel, I just
asked that we get a room as high as possible. I'm not sure what we got 
yet.


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[Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread John Huggins
Hello all,

As I creep towards my K2 definition...

- Low wattage is fine
- SSB option (yeah I know I probably want 100 watts with this, but I
still want it)
- DSP Board maybe

...and since one person spoke about the coolness of taking one and only
one box to the picnic table along with a simple wire...

- Internal antenna tuner
- Internal battery option

...are must have options.

However, reading today's threads about leaking batteries renews my
concerns about batteries in general.

So is there a consensus that internal batteries, while functionally
terrific, are just trouble waiting to happen?

Thanks, as usual, for your inputs.

John
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RE: [Elecraft] Tan vs Gray K3 Knobs?

2007-09-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Two shades of gray on the K3s I've seen, Fred. One is a very light gray and
the other a dark charcoal gray. The light gray, like most neutral light
colors, is very sensitive to the color of the light you see (or photograph)
it in, taking on various hues according to the light source. Still, in real
life, it's obviously light gray.  

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
It seemed from the start, the K3 had tan-ish
principle push buttons.  Recent photos of the
K3 - seem to indicate in some of the versions
(prototype, modelshop, early RD) these buttons are
straight GRAY?   Which are they?  I  got
to believe they would be TAN, blending along
with the color scheme of the display?

Fred
de N3CSY

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[Elecraft] Pomona Adapter Query

2007-09-03 Thread Scott Walker
I have the recommended Pomona BNC-to-dual binding post adapter for use with my 
KX1.  It looks like some kind of wire termination might fit into the ends of 
the binding posts.  Has anybody got a recommendation for what kind of wire 
termination would fit snugly into those openings?  Banana plugs are too large.  
It would be nice to have a plug-in option, in addition to crimping bare wires. 
-Scott N3SW
-New Cumberland PA
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Dave G4AON

John

I have a K2 with the internal battery option. There are a few of points to 
consider:

1. The basic original K2 draws about half the current of a K2 with the DSP 
and SSB modules fitted (mine is drawing 360 mA at the moment). While you can configure 
the K2 to draw less current, you are losing some of the nicer features and performance.

2. A K2 with the internal battery is heavy. The power to weight ratio of a lead 
acid gel cell isn't very good, a handful of NiMh AA cells have a higher mA hour 
rating.

3. A lead acid battery will suffer loss of capacity if deeply discharged, so 
don't expect to fully utilise the charge in the internal battery very often!

I'm on my second battery in 6 years, but not sure I will fit another. I've not 
had any leakage but tend not to use the K2 on it's internal batteries.

73 Dave, G4AON
=
John wrote: So is there a consensus that internal batteries, while functionally
terrific, are just trouble waiting to happen?

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

John,

My experience with Sealed Lead Acid batteries has been quite good.  My 
K2 has had the internal battery installed for about 6 years now with no 
problems noticed, nor have I had leakage problems with any of the SLA 
batteries that I have had over the years.


The discussion started out based on a K1 question, and the battery 
holder for the K1 is for AA cells.  I have had leakage problems with 
some of the AA cells in the past, usually the Alkaline type have more of 
a chance for leakage than others, but I have had NiCads leak too - but 
not very often.


73,
Don W3FPR

John Huggins wrote:

Hello all,

As I creep towards my K2 definition...

- Low wattage is fine
- SSB option (yeah I know I probably want 100 watts with this, but I
still want it)
- DSP Board maybe

...and since one person spoke about the coolness of taking one and only
one box to the picnic table along with a simple wire...

- Internal antenna tuner
- Internal battery option

...are must have options.

However, reading today's threads about leaking batteries renews my
concerns about batteries in general.

So is there a consensus that internal batteries, while functionally
terrific, are just trouble waiting to happen?

Thanks, as usual, for your inputs.

John
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Fred Jensen

John Huggins wrote:


- Internal antenna tuner


If you're going to use a simple wire, KAT2 is your only good option, 
and it's a really good one too.



- Internal battery option


I've had a LI Poly RC Model battery burst into flame while powering my 
KX1 [fortunately outside both the house and radio], and I've had AA 
alkalines leak inside my KX1 [fortunately, only one, and it was 
cleanable].  I use an 12 Ah external sealed gel cell with my K2 that I 
float on a 13.6V regulated supply when I'm not using it.  It's good for 
a weekend+ of fairly steady operation.  I use a fairly light 3 Ah gel 
cell with my KX1, it's good for more than a weekend of casual ops.  I 
don't put batteries inside my radios, although I know lots of folks do 
and never have problems. After watching the pyrotechnic display on my 
gravel driveway from the LiPoly, I've been considering keeping the LiIon 
battery from my laptop in a coffee can outside until I need it :-) YMMV


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2007 CQP Oct 6-7
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Paul - VE1DY
 ...and since one person spoke about the coolness of taking one and only
 one box to the picnic table along with a simple wire...

Hey John,

The tuner and battery is a super combo!  I use mine all the time.

I also use an AA Smart Charger, and have a jack on the back of the K2
for charging the battery; the setup works well.

 However, reading today's threads about leaking batteries renews my
 concerns about batteries in general.

I'd certainly be disappointed if that ever happened. Maybe if you
stick with the battery that Elecraft sells, it won't happen.

Good luck deciding...

73, Paul  -ve1dy-
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[Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread wb2srf
I do not think that the Sealed Lead Acid battery used in the K2 will be a
problem.
The battery manufacturers specifications show that these are pretty
rugged unless the terminals are shorted without any outside circuit
protection or severly overcharged.

73,
Bob Johansen WB2SRF

K2 S/N 5622 with internal battery KBT2 and all other options for stand
alone QRP

Separate KPA100 and KAT100 in EC-2 enclosure for base operation
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Jim Miller
I've likewise chosen external power for my K2. The ongoing tests by the RC 
airplane folks of the Dewalt Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries may finally 
cause me to put some batteries in my K2.

Google A123 for more info.

73

jim ab3cv 

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Re: [Elecraft] Pomona Adapter Query

2007-09-03 Thread Ken Kopp

Scott,

The intended male plug to go into the Pomona adapter
binding posts is a standard banana plug.  They come in
both straght and right-angle versions and in many colors.  
If you want to use a plug to go into the holes under the 
binding posts a standard tip plug is the item.  Both types 
of  plugs are found on the meter ends of VOM test leads, 
depending the brand of meter.  I think they can be found 
at Radio Scrap 


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread Bob Nielsen


On Sep 3, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:


OT I know, but it does relate to my K2 ;-)

Wondering if anyone on the list might have a recommendation for a  
simple QRP
antenna for use in a hotel? My wife is attending a conference in  
Chicago in
a couple of weeks and I'm going with. When she booked the hotel, I  
just
asked that we get a room as high as possible. I'm not sure what we  
got yet.


I'm taking my K2 (I bought a nice Pelican case for it a few months  
ago) and
a few spools of small enameled wire. I was thinking of just using a  
65' end
fed with a 1/4 wavelength counterpoise for 40m operation. I've also  
done

some reading on the W3EDP antenna.

Anyone have some decent experiences out there? Or, bad ones that I  
should

stay away from?



I used a Superantennas MP2 (which Elecraft used to sell) with my K2  
from a 7th floor hotel room (6th floor as the Europeans count) in  
northeast France (Tourcoing) in 2004.  I was able to make contacts on  
20m all over Europe and also worked Tunisia and UAE (WPX contest  
weekend).  I located the antenna inside the room next to the window  
and used a 1/4 wave counterpoise laying on the floor.


Bob, N7XY
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Kevin Rock
There is a good article in the latest IEEE Spectrum on A123.  They are  
experimenting with a great number of Lithium Ion chemistries.  Iron  
Phosphate is just one of them but looks like it may be very stable.


Search here: www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep07/inthisissue

Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:05:32 -0700, Jim Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've likewise chosen external power for my K2. The ongoing tests by the  
RC

airplane folks of the Dewalt Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries may finally
cause me to put some batteries in my K2.

Google A123 for more info.

73

jim ab3cv



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Kevin Rock

Better link to Spectrum article on A123:

http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep07/5490

Kevin.  KD5ONS



On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:05:32 -0700, Jim Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've likewise chosen external power for my K2. The ongoing tests by the  
RC

airplane folks of the Dewalt Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries may finally
cause me to put some batteries in my K2.

Google A123 for more info.

73

jim ab3cv




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Re: [Elecraft] Pomona Adapter Query

2007-09-03 Thread Scott Walker

Ken:
Thanks.  What I already have must not be standard banana plugs, because they 
won't fit.  Guess I'm going on a shopping trip...

73.
-sw-

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Scott,

The intended male plug to go into the Pomona adapter
binding posts is a standard banana plug.  They come in
both straght and right-angle versions and in many colors.  If you want to 
use a plug to go into the holes under the binding posts a standard tip 
plug is the item.  Both types of  plugs are found on the meter ends of VOM 
test leads, depending the brand of meter.  I think they can be found at 
Radio Scrap 


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[Elecraft] Battery Technologies

2007-09-03 Thread John Huggins
Thanks for the information.

At my job we deal with these lightweight chemistries in batteries for
Unpiloted Aerial Vehicles.  You can guess the requirements: provide
unlimited Whours/kg, tolerate -40 to +80C temps, exhibit lift, etc.

We have been watching very closely the progress in the Lithium Battery
world and I am happy to report progress on this technology is quite
fantastic.  Safety has received important attention too.   So not only
has progress occurred in the laboratory of the RC World (you know...
the, run them at 30C and see what happens crowd), but manufacturers
are doing a bang up job of extending temperature range, energy density
and a bit less tendency to start a good ol' Lithium fire.

We have never had one catch fire yet, but then again we don't run our
batteries at extreme currents.  We often have some of the Lithium Ion
Polymer packs suddenly decide to expand their casing like a balloon.  We
have never seen the package burst though.  My technician did a little
research and found that slowly, very slowly, recharging the pack tends
to shrink them back down back to normal.  We don't fly these packs again
of course, but so far they seem to act normal.

We finally got tired waiting for one of these things to self ignite so
we took one we pulled from service, but a charge on it and then tapped a
nail through it.  We witnessed some small jet like flames, but nothing
like the way cool over charge tests the RC folks have done with inferno
results.

Being light in weight makes them attractive options for the backpacker
crowd.  I am almost ready to consider carrying these things on my body,
but not quite yet.  I want a little more safety first.

Is there a ham web site somewhere that is collecting information on
these latest batteries for use in the ham way?  If not, perhaps I will
add that thread to mine.

John

Kevin Rock wrote:

 Better link to Spectrum article on A123:

 http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep07/5490

 Kevin.  KD5ONS



 On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:05:32 -0700, Jim Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've likewise chosen external power for my K2. The ongoing tests by
 the  RC
 airplane folks of the Dewalt Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries may
 finally
 cause me to put some batteries in my K2.

 Google A123 for more info.

 73

 jim ab3cv



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RE: [Elecraft] K2 with internal battery?

2007-09-03 Thread Brett gazdzinski
The battery in my cell phone is a lithium ion, and is
VERY small, VERY light, and rated for VERY high amp hours.
They have a much longer lifetime, lots more charge/discharge
cycles, and you don't really see a lot of cell phones 
bursting into flames.

I don't think I would try cheap RC type batteries as they
likely are peak output short lifespan type batteries.

I did have a gel cell (camcorder) radio shack battery
in the emtech rig, with a built in trickle charger, and I had
the rig for 5 years with no battery problems, and that was 
a radio shack battery!

NiCad's are a total waste of time, the worst batteries 
ever made, and I wont buy anything that uses NiCad's.

I think most batteries are safe if you limit the 
charge rate.

The sony laptop batteries had a short problem, not
an actual battery problem I think...
Bad wiring inside the battery package.
(made in china?)

Brett
N2DTS  

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RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft receiver experience

2007-09-03 Thread Brett gazdzinski
 
Being a mostly tube guy, I have not read much about
phase noise.

Do tube circuits have phase noise?
Do discrete components (solid state, transistors) in
coil and cap VFO circuits have phase noise?

What is the worst source of phase noise?
What circuits have little or no phase noise?

My ears are shot, but I always thought some
of the old analog stuff sounded much cleaner
than digital stuff.

I was listening to a stronger SSB signal on the K2
not that long ago, and it had strong artifacts
up and down the band that caused hard copy on some
CW signals. 
Was that phase noise?



Thanks for any info,

Brett
N2DTS

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DickandSandy
 Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 9:20 AM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft receiver experience
 
 After this weekend's hamfest I was reading my new ARRL 2007 
 handbook to see
 what might be NEW in ARRL testing of receivers, I came across 
 this sentence
 that I thought pretty well summed up my experience with my K2 
 receiver.
 
 On page 10.7 3rd column  When using a good receiver with a 
 linear front end
 and a clean LO, amateurs accustomed to receivers with poor phase-noise
 performance report the impression of a seemingly emptier band 
 with gaps
 between signals -- and then they begin to find readable 
 signals in some of
 the gaps.
 
 This whole section in the handbook reveals the science 
 behind the efforts
 engineers put into receiver design and why phase noise is so 
 important for
 both the receive and transmit performance.
 
 Dick
 WB7OND
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Re: [Elecraft] Pomona Adapter Query

2007-09-03 Thread Sandy
BTW:  The Chinese imitations of the Pomona #1296 sometimes have sub 
standard jack holes in the binding posts!  I bought a couple of the 
cheapies and they work, but they are crappy compared with the real thing.


73,
Sandy W5TVW
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Ken:
Thanks.  What I already have must not be standard banana plugs, because 
they won't fit.  Guess I'm going on a shopping trip...

73.
-sw-

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Scott,

The intended male plug to go into the Pomona adapter
binding posts is a standard banana plug.  They come in
both straght and right-angle versions and in many colors.  If you want to 
use a plug to go into the holes under the binding posts a standard tip 
plug is the item.  Both types of  plugs are found on the meter ends of 
VOM test leads, depending the brand of meter.  I think they can be found 
at Radio Scrap 


73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft receiver experience

2007-09-03 Thread Lyle Johnson

Do tube circuits have phase noise?
Do discrete components (solid state, transistors) in
coil and cap VFO circuits have phase noise?


Oscillators have phase noise.  Properly designed -- with attention to 
this -- the phase noise can be managed and made small.  Crystal 
oscillators are usually the cleanest, but they also have it to varying 
degrees.


The worst are oscillators with improper gain using low Q components in 
the frequency determining section.  This is also a description of many 
voltage controlled oscillators (VCOs) used in frequency synthesizers. 
Early synthesizers used in Amateur radio products were often truly awful 
in this regard.


The higher in frequency one goes, the harder it is to have low phase 
noise close to the carrier being generated.  Thus, it is generally 
easier to have a certain amount of phase noise 500 Hz from the carrier 
at 1 MHz than it is at 1 GHz.


This is part of the reason that many radios that feature up conversion 
(for general coverage) have poorer phase noise than most radios that do not.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] Eleventh Annual Stew Perry Topband Distance Challenge results posted

2007-09-03 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
http://www.kkn.net/~tree/2006_Stew.htm

LOTS of QRP entries last year!

Elecraft K2 mentioned in SOAPBOX by four separate entries.  I'm sure
there were more.

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] Eleventh Annual Stew Perry Topband Distance Challenge results posted

2007-09-03 Thread Pat N8VW

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:46:45 -0400, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :

 http://www.kkn.net/~tree/2006_Stew.htm
 
 LOTS of QRP entries last year!
 
 Elecraft K2 mentioned in SOAPBOX by four separate entries.  I'm sure
 there were more.
 

K2 here (#2 qrp).

Pat N8VW
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RE: [Elecraft] Elecraft receiver experience

2007-09-03 Thread Brett gazdzinski
Lyle,
Thanks for the info.

Would I be right in assuming the more conversions, the
higher the phase noise, even if crystal oscillators are used?
 
In the homebrew receivers, I used B+W coil stock, which
I think has very high Q...

Brett
N2DTS

 
 Oscillators have phase noise.  Properly designed -- with attention to 
 this -- the phase noise can be managed and made small.  Crystal 
 oscillators are usually the cleanest, but they also have it 
 to varying 
 degrees.
 
 The worst are oscillators with improper gain using low Q 
 components in 
 the frequency determining section.  This is also a 
 description of many 
 voltage controlled oscillators (VCOs) used in frequency synthesizers. 
 Early synthesizers used in Amateur radio products were often 
 truly awful 
 in this regard.
 
 The higher in frequency one goes, the harder it is to have low phase 
 noise close to the carrier being generated.  Thus, it is generally 
 easier to have a certain amount of phase noise 500 Hz from 
 the carrier 
 at 1 MHz than it is at 1 GHz.
 
 This is part of the reason that many radios that feature up 
 conversion 
 (for general coverage) have poorer phase noise than most 
 radios that do not.
 
 73,
 
 Lyle KK7P
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Low outout power on higher bands, K2

2007-09-03 Thread Don Wilhelm

Beth,

If the bandpass previously was tuned properly and the behavior is as you 
stated, check the VCO frequency at TP1.  Compare the frequency obtained 
with the internal counter probe with the chart on the Schematic Key 
sheet in the manual.


If the frequency of the VCO is not correct, you can obtain RF out of the 
mixer and buffer stages, but when it gets to the bandpass filter, the 
filter will 'swallow it up'.


You can also use the counter probe to check the frequency at other 
places in the K2 other than the Test Points designated - you may have to 
invent some kind of short attachment device, but it should work - the 
counter itself shoud be good up to 40 MHz.


73,
Don W3FPR

Beth Wenzel wrote:

Thanks for the tip Lee, it got me to looking at the TX mixer / buffer part of 
the chain. The ALC / BFO line into the mixer is consistent across bands, 
(however the micro controller quickly drives the ALC to max at 28 mhz). The 
mixer output looks ok, as well as the output on pin 6 of the buffer. However 
when I measure of the cathode end of D6 the relative output is down, as if the 
bandpass filter is sinking the energy.

  

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[Elecraft] Manual documentation does not work for me to see K2 Firmware Revision Numbers

2007-09-03 Thread Jim Isbell
The Owner's Manual (K2) Rev G (May 2007) has
documentation for checking firmware revision numbers. 
My K2 does not respond to them for checking the SSB
adapter's firmware revision: Set the SSBA menu entry
to BAL, then hold the VOX button.  Nothing happens;
however, I can see a number (1.08) if I follow the
documentation, then tap an adjacent button (such as
REV, SPLIT, SPOT, etc), then hold the VOX button as
per the instructions.  Can anyone verify or duplicate
this or tell me what problem my K2 has?  Thanks and 73
to all!  Jim Isbell KB4U

Please be patient if you do not receive an immediate reply.  There are reasons 
(examples follow): Activities away from a computer, Commuting, Technical 
(Internet connection) problems, Travel  Work.  I will respond...Thanks. 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft receiver experience

2007-09-03 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 9/3/07 9:34:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Would I be right in assuming the more conversions, the
 higher the phase noise, even if crystal oscillators are used?

It's not that simple.

A multiconversion rx with quiet oscillators can have less phase noise than a 
single-conversion rx with a noisy oscillator.

 
 In the homebrew receivers, I used B+W coil stock, which
 I think has very high Q...
 

That's only one component. Good but not perfect. The key is for the entire 
oscillator *circuit* to be high Q, not just one or two components.

73 de Jim, N2EY


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RE: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread Dave Van Wallaghen

Thanks for all the great replies on and off the list. Lots of good
suggestions. Now to see if I can get a room with a window that opens :-)

Thanks again and 73,
Dave W8FGU

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RE: [Elecraft] OT: Hotel antenna

2007-09-03 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:25:44 -0400, Dave Van Wallaghen wrote:

Now to see if I can get a room with a window that opens :-)

You'll have the best luck on this in an old fashioned hotel as 
opposed to a newer one. 

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] Tan vs Gray K3 Knobs?

2007-09-03 Thread AJSOENKE
Take into consideration the fact that the old version is an actual photo  
of the rig and the new version is a CAD generated image. The differences were 
 obvious in the Web views of the rig from front and the rear view.
 
So, as Elecraft is doing their best to keep us up-to-date on changes, let's  
not cause a panic if the production rig still looks like the  betas 
color-wise.  The AF/RF switch and some other button changes were  indicated 
several 
months ago - no surprise.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Pomona Adapter Query

2007-09-03 Thread Rick Dettinger

 Ken:
 Thanks.  What I already have must not be standard banana plugs, because
they
 won't fit.  Guess I'm going on a shopping trip...
 73.


If I remember correctly, Pomona makes a standard size adaptor and a miniture
one.  I bought the smaller one and I like the size for portable operations
as it fits in a small package better.  I don't know if they make a plug to
fit, but I would think so.  I just double the end of my #24 antenna and
ground wire and tin it.  Insert thru the small hole and tighten the plastic
nut.  It seems to last a long time.  Also, it is field repairable with a
small knife if the wire plug breaks.  I just moved into a new house and
have been using just such a portable antenna for two months now with no
breakage, yet.

73
Rick Dettinger
K7MW


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RE: [Elecraft] Manual documentation does not work for me to see K2Firmware Revision Numbers

2007-09-03 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Hmmm. I can't speculate on the problem Jim, but my K2 behaves per the
manual. Simply holding VOX with the MENU set to SSB BAL brings up the SSB
module rev (1.08).

Perhaps the first place to look is to see if your main microcontroller and
I/O controller firmware is current. They should be:

2.04P 1.09

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

The Owner's Manual (K2) Rev G (May 2007) has
documentation for checking firmware revision numbers. 
My K2 does not respond to them for checking the SSB
adapter's firmware revision: Set the SSBA menu entry
to BAL, then hold the VOX button.  Nothing happens;
however, I can see a number (1.08) if I follow the documentation, then tap
an adjacent button (such as REV, SPLIT, SPOT, etc), then hold the VOX button
as per the instructions.  Can anyone verify or duplicate this or tell me
what problem my K2 has?  Thanks and 73 to all!  Jim Isbell KB4U


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[Elecraft_K3] K3 XIT RIT

2007-09-03 Thread hank k8dd
With the XIT and / or RIT on, can you cause the resultant frequency,to 
be the operating frequency with the press (or press  hold) of a button?
For example - I'm on 7025.22 and the RIT is up 1.33 kc, so I'm listening 
on 7025.33 and transmitting on 7026.55. 
I'd like to press a button (or press  hold) and clear the RIT and have 
the VFO read 7026.55.
On the Icom 746 you press the RIT or XIT to turn them on and press 
them,for 2 sec to add the shift frequecny to the operating frequency. 

Or can you do that already with the K3?

73HankK8DD

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Re: [Elecraft] Low outout power on higher bands, K2

2007-09-03 Thread Beth Wenzel
Thanks for the tip Lee, it got me to looking at the TX mixer / buffer part of 
the chain. The ALC / BFO line into the mixer is consistent across bands, 
(however the micro controller quickly drives the ALC to max at 28 mhz). The 
mixer output looks ok, as well as the output on pin 6 of the buffer. However 
when I measure of the cathode end of D6 the relative output is down, as if the 
bandpass filter is sinking the energy.

Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check the bottom of the RF 
board for a missing capacitor.  You can 
search for my callsign and low power for a message trail including part 
numbers.
73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 1:35 pm, Beth Wenzel wrote:
13+ watts out. 20m about 12, then a rapid drop off until I get about 1.5 
watts on 10 meters.

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