[Elecraft] K3 Shipping

[Nick Henwood]

Have been silent on this topic before but would appreciate a brief update.
73 Nick G3RWF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Shipping

[Thom LaCosta]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Nick Henwood wrote:


Have been silent on this topic before but would appreciate a brief update.


Getting closer

Go smell the roses.

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

[Terry Myers]

What does make sense to me is to have "ALL" contests be restricted to less 
24 hours or less.  Why take a whole weekend?  The work angle don't work for 
me because of all the time zones involved that govern work schedules.  Just 
keep all contests to 24 hours or less and most of the problem will go away.


Terry, KQ5U

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Sandy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'David Thompson'" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Elecraft List'" 
; "'Glowbugs reflector'" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report





Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?


No, it does not make sense.  Why restrict one type of activity -
one that generates the most activity and participation - to
artificially narrow portions of the spectrum when other activity
has no such restriction.

Digital mode contesting is the fastest growing HF activity and
it is squeezed, particularly on 40 meters, due to the excessively
narrow available spectrum in regions 1 and 3.  40 KHz (7020 -
7060) is far from excessive particularly compared to the 70 or
80 KHz occupied by CW contesters in a CQWW CW, ARRLDX CW, SS CW,
CQWPX CW or the 200+ KHz occupied by phone operators in CQWW SSB,
ARRLDX SSB, SS SSB, CQWPX SSB, etc.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
To: David Thompson
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report


There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is
the time to
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are
befitting the mode.

The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF
comms "hell"
for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will
get worse as
modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.

There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small
slice of the
band.  Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray
out of these
"assigned segments".  The "penalty" would be disqualification
of log for
those who do so.  This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB
and others stand
by these standards so that the contesters would not
monopolize the WHOLE
band with their "fun"!

There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole
CW or whole
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band
during the
contests.

I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken
steps to usually
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to
avoid stepping
on the toes of those who wish not to participate.

Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
- Original Message - 
From: "David Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report


> Sandy,
>
> I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling
CQ YL and at 0Z
> the North American Sprint came on.  These guys tried to
steam roll me.
> K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.
Moved to 40 to
> get
> away from them.
>
> This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to
SSB from CW as
> some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.
>
> A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
> as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and
almost no one
> came.  Now they and those sprints are all over plus there
is a RTTY one
> every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see
posts about
> them).  Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and
now those
> sprints are weeknights.
>
> I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around
for years and
> quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off
the map.  Too
> bad.
>
> What to do?  I have complained to the three or four people
who CONTROL
> contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
> And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.
>
> 73 Dave K4JRB
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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[Elecraft] k3 delivery

[Benny Aumala]

Oct 8. has gone. The magic week is going.
Not a word here.
Are we AFRAID  ??
Is Elecraft too busy to give a line or two here.
I have been waiting at least a weekly short report.

Benny OH9NB



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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[John A. McCabe]

Hi All

"Since Power SDR has a Kenwood CAT interface, I would bet it would 
relatively easy to couple PowerSDR with a SoftRock40, a relatively 
inexpensive soundcard and a few lines of custom software to both provide 
a "bandscope" and fully control the K3"



There already is a modified version of PowerSDR that is similar to what 
you are describing. It is a version that works with Ham Radio Deluxe and 
a Softrock to allow point and click bandscope tuning in PowerSDR of any 
radio that has an IF out (which includes the K3) and supported  by  Ham 
Radio Deluxe.  I have tried it and it does work (Not on a K3 however, 
still waiting on mine like the rest of us). To me this is the best of 
both worlds, a High performance K3 controlled by computer and/or Knobs. 
Sometimes I just don't want to have to boot my computer up to use my 
radio, and at other times the features of bandscope point and click 
tuning would be nice.


The software is at the following location: http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html

73, John KD8K








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RE: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[Darwin, Keith]

-Original Message-
From:  Richard Smith

I no longer need knobs to feel comfortable using a radio.  I guess you
just have to use it for a while to see what I mean.  It is very
intuitive, instantaneous and comfortable.  Of course, you can add a knob
or use the mousewheel to dial up frequencies and tune in stations the
old fashioned way, but why?
-

Rich has a very good point here.  There is a tremendous momentum to "the
way things have been".  Basically, most of us are resistant to change.
We're happy to have the new provided it looks / feels / works just like
the old.

But people can change and relearn.  Those that go through the difficult
process will often find that the new way is just as intuitive as the old
and provides capabilities that the old way couldn't even dream about.

When was the last time you played solitaire with a real deck of cards?
For many of us, that game has become a Windows application and we
happily play it with a mouse, not really missing the old way we used to
play the game.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -

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Re: [Elecraft] k3 delivery

[Julian G4ILO]

Previous status updates were dated Sept 6th, 18th and 29th. No
precedent that they should be weekly. The shipping status page still
states that "shipments are currently targeted to begin shipping week
of Oct 8th." If nothing has changed, why the need for an update? There
is an old saying that "no news is good news." Chill out, folks.

-- 
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On 10/9/07, Benny Aumala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oct 8. has gone. The magic week is going.
> Not a word here.
> Are we AFRAID  ??
> Is Elecraft too busy to give a line or two here.
> I have been waiting at least a weekly short report.
>
> Benny OH9NB
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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[Richard Thorne]

It all depends on the use of the rig.  If the rig is for contesting then 
more than likely one will want knobs.  You wouldn't want to be jumping 
around with your mouse between software applications (contest software, 
rig control software).  Its not very efficient.


Rich - N5ZC



Darwin, Keith wrote:

-Original Message-
From:  Richard Smith

I no longer need knobs to feel comfortable using a radio.  I guess you
just have to use it for a while to see what I mean.  It is very
intuitive, instantaneous and comfortable.  Of course, you can add a knob
or use the mousewheel to dial up frequencies and tune in stations the
old fashioned way, but why?
-

Rich has a very good point here.  There is a tremendous momentum to "the
way things have been".  Basically, most of us are resistant to change.
We're happy to have the new provided it looks / feels / works just like
the old.

But people can change and relearn.  Those that go through the difficult
process will often find that the new way is just as intuitive as the old
and provides capabilities that the old way couldn't even dream about.

When was the last time you played solitaire with a real deck of cards?
For many of us, that game has become a Windows application and we
happily play it with a mouse, not really missing the old way we used to
play the game.

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -

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Re: [Elecraft] k3 delivery

[Thom LaCosta]

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007, Julian G4ILO wrote:


The shipping status page still
states that "shipments are currently targeted to begin shipping week
of Oct 8th."


Two points:

A. the week of  ... that means Aptos has the entire week to begin shippping...
   NOT that shipping must begin October 8, 2007.
B. targeted ... the plan is to begin shipping, but there could be changes.

Observation:

If Aptos actually took the time to respond to individual posts and perhaps
direct emails about shiiping and manual posting...at least one person at
Aptos couldn't be working on getting units ready to ship...which could
cause yet another delay that might start a round of posts about business
practices, etc.

I'm hoping the folks at Aptos ignore the posts long enough to test, ship and 
pack MY radioand then, they can waste time ansering questions.



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RE: [Elecraft] k3 delivery

[Craig Rairdin]

> Oct 8. has gone. The magic week is going.

Oct 8 was a holiday in the US and there was no mail service. By choosing
this week to start shipping, Elecraft cleverly bought an extra day, since
they couldn't have shipped anything yesterday anyway.

Only in America would we celebrate October 12 on October 8. But that's a
subject for another list.

Craig
NZ0R

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[Elecraft] K3 status - Stay tuned!

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Guys,

Sorry for the silence, I've been purposely trying not to read or reply 
to every list email the last several days so I could focus on K3 release 
and production issues. Lots of activity here in Aptos!


If all goes well, we will ship the first K3s today.  :-)  I'll post a 
more detailed status later today.


Now where is that hot shower and breakfast?...

73, Eric  WA6HHQ

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[Elecraft] [Fwd: One Man's Attempt To Save Morse Code]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Check out the K1 in the video too!
73, Eric  WA6HHQ


 Original Message 
Subject:[QRP] One Man's Attempt To Save Morse Code
Date:   Tue, 09 Oct 2007 08:16:30 -0400
From:   Bry Carling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


This made the front page of the Wall Street Journal!

One Man's Attempt To Save Morse Code

A great, in-depth article explaining the validity and 
the continuing importance CW!


You can view the article on line today at:
http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB119161604206850468.html

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[Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[Bill Tippett]

W4TV wrote:

"Since Power SDR has a Kenwood CAT interface, I would bet it would
relatively easy to couple PowerSDR with a SoftRock40, a relatively
inexpensive soundcard and a few lines of custom software to both provide
a "bandscope" and fully control the K3"


KD8K replied:

>There already is a modified version of PowerSDR that is similar to what
you are describing. It is a version that works with Ham Radio Deluxe and
a Softrock to allow point and click bandscope tuning in PowerSDR of any
radio that has an IF out (which includes the K3) and supported  by  Ham
Radio Deluxe.  I have tried it and it does work (Not on a K3 however,
still waiting on mine like the rest of us). To me this is the best of
both worlds, a High performance K3 controlled by computer and/or Knobs.
Sometimes I just don't want to have to boot my computer up to use my
radio, and at other times the features of bandscope point and click
tuning would be nice.

>The software is at the following location: 
http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html


Exactly.  The only missing hardware component may be better
isolation on the output of the KXV3's wideband buffered 8.215 MHZ IF
output to prevent intrusion back into the K3.  I'm sure someone (K8ZOA,
KB9YIG or Elecraft) will come up with that piece very soon.  Get ready
because this *will* happen...probably with multiple alternatives
for both the hardware (Softrock, Clifton Labs, Elecraft, etc), DSP
software (Rocky, PowerSDR, etc) and control software (Ham Radio Deluxe,
N4PY, etc).

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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[Elecraft] K3 Shipping/Discussions/Database

[Thom LaCosta]

Now that the K3s are winging their ways out of Aptos, there are some web links 
that may be of interest to K3 owners, waiters and observers.  The links are NOT 
official, simply content related.


Online Datbase:
The Elecraft owner's database is located at
< http://zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html >

Entries can be made that reflect:

Name:   Call:   City:   State:  Zip:
Email:  Model:  Status: Options:Serial:
Notes:  URL:

So, it's possible to do some interesting searches.

There is a web-based forum dedicated to K3 discussions.  It is NOT meant to
replace this list, simply another venue for folks who use web-based forums.

< http://www.zerobeat.net/smf/ >

There is also a QRP web ring, which you might want to join once you've added all 
your good K3 information to your own web pages.


< http://zerobeat.net/qrpwebring/index.html >

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[Elecraft] Logger32

[Mike Harris]

G'day,

Been checking the command from Logger32 to the K2 when directly entering a 
frequency eg. 18073kHz:

FR0;FA00018073000;MD3;FA00018073000;

FRO cancels split and presumably CW reverse as well.

Bugger!

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 

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Re: [Elecraft] Logger32

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

My fuzzy memory tells me that this has been discussed before on the 
reflector.  I recall that the Logger32 author has his reasons for doing 
it that way, but I just don't remember why - but I do recall that it was 
controversial.


Perhaps someone will want to comb the archives.  I don't use Logger32, 
so my interest is only in passing along this information.


73,
Don W3FPR

Mike Harris wrote:

G'day,

Been checking the command from Logger32 to the K2 when directly entering a 
frequency eg. 18073kHz:


FR0;FA00018073000;MD3;FA00018073000;

FRO cancels split and presumably CW reverse as well.

Bugger!

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 



  

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[Elecraft] IF output bandwidth for panadaptor

[Ross Stenberg]

For the intent of maximizing displayed bandwidth, what is the maximum
allowed bandwidth on the IF output from the K3? Would the roofing filter
need to be bypassed? I would like to use an SDR-IQ for display purposes and
secondary demodulation.

73 Ross K9COX

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[Elecraft] [Fwd: One Man's Attempt To Save Morse Code]

[Jerry T. Dowell]

Egad, he left out the punctuation!

Jerry   AI6L

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[Elecraft] K3 status - Stay tuned!

[Don Rasmussen]

Congrats Guys - it's a BIG day for the company!

[Elecraft] K3 status - Stay tuned!
Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft eric at elecraft.com 
Tue Oct 9 09:53:24 EDT 2007 

If all goes well, we will ship the first K3s today. 
:-)  

Now where is that hot shower and breakfast?...

73, Eric  WA6HHQ

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Re: [Elecraft] IF output bandwidth for panadaptor

[Lyle Johnson]

... what is the maximum
allowed bandwidth on the IF output from the K3? Would the roofing filter
need to be bypassed? I would like to use an SDR-IQ for display purposes and
secondary demodulation.


The IF tap is ahead of the roofing filter, so it is only limited by the 
RF bandpass and low pass filters.  I have successfully used an SDR-14 
much as you describe your planned use of the SDR-IQ.


73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 status - Stay tuned!

[Darwin, Keith]

Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft eric at elecraft.com Tue Oct 9 09:53:24
EDT 2007 

If all goes well, we will ship the first K3s today. 
:-)  

--

Eric, what's the rush?  You can relax, you've got until the end of the
week.  Take a few days and go fishing or something.  No sense hurrying
this whole thing.  Those rigs will sit there happy as clams waiting for
your return.




... Just kidding guys, really.  :-)

- Keith N1AS -
- K2 5411.ssb.100 -
- K3 Wave 3 -

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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[Richard Smith]

Thanks for the info on this program, John.  I'll download it and give it a 
try.


My first reaction without trying the program (always dangerous) is that 
needing HRD sitting between the PowerSDR GUI and the K3, and controlling the 
K3 via serial commands, will leave users with the feeling that software 
control just isn't responsive enough for real world uses.  To me, even a 
slight delay in response, or waiting for the rig to catch up with the GUI 
user, is annoying enough for me to reach for the knobs.  It certainly won't 
cut it for competitive contesting.  The PowerSDR when used with the 
SDR-1000, and I assume the SDR-5000A as well, has an instantaneous "feel" to 
the software.  It feels very natural to tune, and no adjustment is necessary 
by the user to learn how to use it effectively.  It is a generation beyond 
what you propose in software control.  My beef with serial 
command-controlled hardware radios has always been the tuning "lag" I 
experience as I sweep the software controls up and down the band and the 
radio tries to keep up.  That is not the case with the PowerSDR running the 
SDR-1000 or 5000A.  Maybe the K3, the interface, the software and the PC 
will all be responsive enough to emulate the excellent "feel" of the 
PowerSDR running an SDR-5000A, but I'm skeptical it will.  Right now, this 
solution seems like a band-aid to me.


Also, is booting a computer really an issue?  I use mine these days for so 
many things, it is always on or in standby.  I can play radio at anytime by 
simply clicking the PowerSDR icon.


It will be interesting to see how things evolve.

73,

Rich W1EZ

- Original Message - 
From: "John A. McCabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A



Hi All

"Since Power SDR has a Kenwood CAT interface, I would bet it would 
relatively easy to couple PowerSDR with a SoftRock40, a relatively 
inexpensive soundcard and a few lines of custom software to both provide a 
"bandscope" and fully control the K3"



There already is a modified version of PowerSDR that is similar to what 
you are describing. It is a version that works with Ham Radio Deluxe and a 
Softrock to allow point and click bandscope tuning in PowerSDR of any 
radio that has an IF out (which includes the K3) and supported  by  Ham 
Radio Deluxe.  I have tried it and it does work (Not on a K3 however, 
still waiting on mine like the rest of us). To me this is the best of both 
worlds, a High performance K3 controlled by computer and/or Knobs. 
Sometimes I just don't want to have to boot my computer up to use my 
radio, and at other times the features of bandscope point and click tuning 
would be nice.


The software is at the following location: http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html

73, John KD8K








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[Elecraft] PC->K3 command responsiveness

[wayne burdick]

Richard Smith wrote:

My first reaction without trying the program (always dangerous) is 
that needing HRD sitting between the PowerSDR GUI and the K3, and 
controlling the K3 via serial commands, will leave users with the 
feeling that software control just isn't responsive enough for real 
world uses.


Richard,

The K3 serial I/O port can run at up to 38.4 kb, and command response 
is very fast. It can also buffer a large number of commands at full 
speed and respond to them in order, error-free. To verify this, I'll 
paste 10 different commands into the terminal emulator window, running 
at 38.4 kb. All 10 responses appear in the terminal emulator window 
immediately, with no perceptible delay.


Yesterday there was a discussion about Panadapter responsiveness. 
If/when we offer a panadapter, it will be tightly linked with the K3, 
so you'll be able to do things like click on a signal and move the VFO 
to it, etc. If the text decoder is turned on, CW, RTTY, and PSK31 
signals will be decoded and displayed on the K3's own LCD and/or in a 
window on the panadapter.


Of course the "P3" would match the K3's enclosure styling, too, and may 
include a power supply and/or speaker. For field ops, you could take 
just the K3. Either way, it's computer-optional.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

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RE: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

[N2TK, Tony]

I am sure we can have many points of view on this topic. I happen to be in
the group that says let's enjoy contests and try to get as much activity as
possible, regardless of the mode.
Hey, there is always 12, 17 and 30M for non-contesters.
Also, you may want to read what Hollingsworth said at Dayton about contests
and contesters. 

73,
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
To: David Thompson
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is the time to 
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the mode.

The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms "hell" 
for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will get worse as 
modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.

There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small slice of the 
band.  Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these 
"assigned segments".  The "penalty" would be disqualification of log for 
those who do so.  This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others stand 
by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE 
band with their "fun"!

There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole 
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the 
contests.

I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually 
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid stepping

on the toes of those who wish not to participate.

Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
- Original Message - 
From: "David Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report


> Sandy,
>
> I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling CQ YL and at 0Z
> the North American Sprint came on.  These guys tried to steam roll me.
> K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.  Moved to 40 to 
> get
> away from them.
>
> This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to SSB from CW as
> some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.
>
> A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
> as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and almost no one
> came.  Now they and those sprints are all over plus there is a RTTY one
> every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see posts about
> them).  Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and now those
> sprints are weeknights.
>
> I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around for years and
> quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off the map.  Too
> bad.
>
> What to do?  I have complained to the three or four people who CONTROL
> contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
> And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.
>
> 73 Dave K4JRB
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report [END of Thread]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

This topic is a hot button that is best discussed on the contesting, 
rec.radio.amateur.. and other lists.


Lets END it now before it gets out of control. :-)

73, Eric   WA6HHQ   Elecraft list moderator.


hank k8dd wrote:

Sandy wrote:
There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is the time 
to support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting 
the mode.


The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms 
"hell" for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will 
get worse as modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.


There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small slice of 
the band. 



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Re: [Elecraft] IF output bandwidth for panadaptor

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

The K3 IF output is derived before the roofing IF filters and its 
bandwidth is only limited by the width of the front end bandpass LC 
filters, which are typically several hundred kHz wider than the ham band 
you are operating on.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ


Ross Stenberg wrote:

For the intent of maximizing displayed bandwidth, what is the maximum
allowed bandwidth on the IF output from the K3? Would the roofing filter
need to be bypassed? I would like to use an SDR-IQ for display purposes and
secondary demodulation.

73 Ross K9COX

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 status - Stay tuned!

[Simon Brown (HB9DRV)]

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Now where is that hot shower and breakfast?...



Real engineers don't wash - you should know that by now.

Congratulations - shipping the first release is always a thrill for you and 
the howling masses.


Keep up the good work, I also can't wait :-)

Simon HB9DRV 


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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[John A. McCabe]

Hi Rich,

Actually, and correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe that one 
of the bigger issues with SDR's right now is with latency. There is some 
delay in the processing of the signal on the computer which can cause 
effects such as slower turn around time for CW/Digtal Modes, slightly 
slower tuning, a slight delay in received and transmitted audio, etc. I 
know there has been a lot of  improvement made in that area, but I don't 
believe it is quite at the level of other radios such as the K3. . 
Whether or not this latency is more or less more then serial control of 
a radio, I am not sure. But I suspect that some of that might depend on 
the baud rate of the radio. I have a TS-2000 set to 57600 baud and it 
seems quite responsive, whereas my K2 which I believe is 4800 baud is 
noticeably less responsive. I am not sure what the baud rate is on the 
K3. And as far as booting up a computer, I work as a computer 
consultant, and sometimes the last thing I want to do when I get home 
from work is boot up my computer :)


John, KD8K



Richard Smith wrote:
Thanks for the info on this program, John.  I'll download it and give 
it a try.


My first reaction without trying the program (always dangerous) is 
that needing HRD sitting between the PowerSDR GUI and the K3, and 
controlling the K3 via serial commands, will leave users with the 
feeling that software control just isn't responsive enough for real 
world uses.  To me, even a slight delay in response, or waiting for 
the rig to catch up with the GUI user, is annoying enough for me to 
reach for the knobs.  It certainly won't cut it for competitive 
contesting.  The PowerSDR when used with the SDR-1000, and I assume 
the SDR-5000A as well, has an instantaneous "feel" to the software.  
It feels very natural to tune, and no adjustment is necessary by the 
user to learn how to use it effectively.  It is a generation beyond 
what you propose in software control.  My beef with serial 
command-controlled hardware radios has always been the tuning "lag" I 
experience as I sweep the software controls up and down the band and 
the radio tries to keep up.  That is not the case with the PowerSDR 
running the SDR-1000 or 5000A.  Maybe the K3, the interface, the 
software and the PC will all be responsive enough to emulate the 
excellent "feel" of the PowerSDR running an SDR-5000A, but I'm 
skeptical it will.  Right now, this solution seems like a band-aid to me.


Also, is booting a computer really an issue?  I use mine these days 
for so many things, it is always on or in standby.  I can play radio 
at anytime by simply clicking the PowerSDR icon.


It will be interesting to see how things evolve.

73,

Rich W1EZ

- Original Message - From: "John A. McCabe" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A



Hi All

"Since Power SDR has a Kenwood CAT interface, I would bet it would 
relatively easy to couple PowerSDR with a SoftRock40, a relatively 
inexpensive soundcard and a few lines of custom software to both 
provide a "bandscope" and fully control the K3"



There already is a modified version of PowerSDR that is similar to 
what you are describing. It is a version that works with Ham Radio 
Deluxe and a Softrock to allow point and click bandscope tuning in 
PowerSDR of any radio that has an IF out (which includes the K3) and 
supported  by  Ham Radio Deluxe.  I have tried it and it does work 
(Not on a K3 however, still waiting on mine like the rest of us). To 
me this is the best of both worlds, a High performance K3 controlled 
by computer and/or Knobs. Sometimes I just don't want to have to boot 
my computer up to use my radio, and at other times the features of 
bandscope point and click tuning would be nice.


The software is at the following location: http://www.wu2x.com/sdr.html

73, John KD8K








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Re: [Elecraft] PC->K3 command responsiveness

[Robert Tellefsen]

Wayne
Does the use of the mouse to click imply a computer,
or some uP likely to be imbedded in the Pan'r?
Running TRLOG in DOS doesn't leave me with a
mouse to click on things.
73, Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
From: "wayne burdick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] PC->K3 command responsiveness


> Richard Smith wrote:
> 
> > My first reaction without trying the program (always dangerous) is 
> > that needing HRD sitting between the PowerSDR GUI and the K3, and 
> > controlling the K3 via serial commands, will leave users with the 
> > feeling that software control just isn't responsive enough for real 
> > world uses.
> 
> Richard,
> 
> The K3 serial I/O port can run at up to 38.4 kb, and command response 
> is very fast. It can also buffer a large number of commands at full 
> speed and respond to them in order, error-free. To verify this, I'll 
> paste 10 different commands into the terminal emulator window, running 
> at 38.4 kb. All 10 responses appear in the terminal emulator window 
> immediately, with no perceptible delay.
> 
> Yesterday there was a discussion about Panadapter responsiveness. 
> If/when we offer a panadapter, it will be tightly linked with the K3, 
> so you'll be able to do things like click on a signal and move the VFO 
> to it, etc. If the text decoder is turned on, CW, RTTY, and PSK31 
> signals will be decoded and displayed on the K3's own LCD and/or in a 
> window on the panadapter.
> 
> Of course the "P3" would match the K3's enclosure styling, too, and may 
> include a power supply and/or speaker. For field ops, you could take 
> just the K3. Either way, it's computer-optional.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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Re: [Elecraft] Logger32

[Mike Harris]

Hi,

I believe that the author is totally anti split operation which , however, 
is a simple fact of life.

the following is part of the copyright:

Authorization to use this software is limited to radio amateurs who agree 
to strictly comply with the following operating practices:

·  Always use your full callsign when calling another station

·  Never respond to calling operators who do not use full callsigns

·  Do not spell your name or QTH unless specifically asked to do so

·  Do not call the operator of the station you are in contact with 
'Sir', 'Your Highness', 'Doctor', 'Monk' or any other title (real or 
imaginary)

·  Do not end your transmissions with 'QSL', 'Roger', 'Over', or 'Over 
Over'

·  Do not begin your transmissions with 'QSL', 'Roger', or 'Roger 
Roger'

·  Do not operate (or condone those that do) on DX list or DX net 
operations

·  Know the callsign of the station you are calling before you call

  a..   Do not operate on SSB with wider than 2.8 KHz bandwidth filters 
(or condone those that do)
  a..   Do not use external devices to unnecessarily distort the audio


  b..   Do not precede an exchange of signal reports with "Please copy 
...," "When last heard...," or any other superfluous colloquial phrase.
I took the time and effort to write the software. Many others have taken 
the time and effort to debug the software and write the documentation. At 
the very least, you can make the effort to comply with the terms of the 
use of this software. If you chose not to operate in accordance with the 
requirements listed above, please do not use this software.

I guess that says it all.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


| Mike,
|
| My fuzzy memory tells me that this has been discussed before on the
| reflector.  I recall that the Logger32 author has his reasons for doing
| it that way, but I just don't remember why - but I do recall that it was
| controversial.
|
| Perhaps someone will want to comb the archives.  I don't use Logger32,
| so my interest is only in passing along this information.
|
| 73,
| Don W3FPR
|
| Mike Harris wrote:
| > G'day,
| >
| > Been checking the command from Logger32 to the K2 when directly 
entering a
| > frequency eg. 18073kHz:
| >
| > FR0;FA00018073000;MD3;FA00018073000;
| >
| > FRO cancels split and presumably CW reverse as well.
| >
| > Bugger!
| >
| > Regards,
| >
| > Mike VP8NO
| >
| >
| >
|
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[Elecraft] Paying outstanding balance

[John [K7SVV]]

I have stayed quiet until now but I now I need to ask a question.  How is 
Elecraft handling the unpaid balance from those of us that paid the 50% down 
payment?  Has anyone paid theirs yet?


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Re: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

[Sandy]

I always discard the "Well!  There are the WARC bands!" answer.  You can't 
work short/medium haul on 30 most of the time. and no CW allowed on 60 
meters!  Personally, I don't see why they don't open 30/17/12 meters up to 
contesting as well as the other bands.  Basically 17/12 meters have been 
quite useless most of the past few years, or at least can't be relied on due 
to poor propagation conditions.


Although I do like some contests, there isn't ANY reason 99% of the time for 
a contest that lasts longer than 24 hours!


One of the best things that happened to contesting is the "sprint" or 2-4 
hour window for most contests that are not "DX" contests.  After so many 
operating hours, what started out as "fun" turns out being a chore and a 
bore.


my two additional penny's worth.

73,

Sandy W5TVW
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From: "N2TK, Tony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Sandy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'Elecraft List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report



I am sure we can have many points of view on this topic. I happen to be in
the group that says let's enjoy contests and try to get as much activity 
as

possible, regardless of the mode.
Hey, there is always 12, 17 and 30M for non-contesters.
Also, you may want to read what Hollingsworth said at Dayton about 
contests

and contesters.

73,
N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandy
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 8:46 PM
To: David Thompson
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft List; Glowbugs reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

There has been an IARU bandplan that just came out.  NOW is the time to
support it and restrict contests to the sectors that are befitting the 
mode.


The RTTY guys run rampant all over the band and are making HF comms "hell"
for others who would like a piece of the pie too.  This will get worse as
modes like CW and AM become "obsolete" in their eyes.

There IS a simple solution:  retrict the contests to a small slice of the
band.  Assign monitoring stations to list those that stray out of these
"assigned segments".  The "penalty" would be disqualification of log for
those who do so.  This would require that ARRL, IARU, RSGB and others 
stand

by these standards so that the contesters would not monopolize the WHOLE
band with their "fun"!

There is no reason why the contests shouild take up the whole CW or whole
SSB segments or RTTY should run rampant over the entire band during the
contests.

I am mainly a QRP contester, but the QRP folks have taken steps to usually
restrict their contests to narrow segments of the CW bands to avoid 
stepping


on the toes of those who wish not to participate.

Does this proposal make any sense to your folks out there?

73,

Sandy W5TVW
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: CX Report



Sandy,

I was working the YL/OM phone a few years ago and calling CQ YL and at 0Z
the North American Sprint came on.  These guys tried to steam roll me.
K0GAS (a YL) worked me so I would give her a sprint QSO.  Moved to 40 to
get
away from them.

This year I was working the QCWA party and had to move to SSB from CW as
some RTTY contest came on and wiped out the CW bands.

A few years ago the State QSO parties almost died
as W5NQR/NQQ ran the LA one and I and K4BAI the GA one and almost no one
came.  Now they and those sprints are all over plus there is a RTTY one
every weekend now (I am on the writelog reflector so I see posts about
them).  Some hams do 2 contests a weekend EVERY weekend and now those
sprints are weeknights.

I first entered the ARRL SS in 1958 so I have been around for years and
quiet QSO parties such as CX and QCWA are being pushed off the map.  Too
bad.

What to do?  I have complained to the three or four people who CONTROL
contests and they laugh me off. CQ and ARRL just look the other way.
And as you probably remember I run the CQ 160 Contests.

73 Dave K4JRB




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[Elecraft] OT: Blonde CW op.

[Darwin, Keith]

Q:  Why don't blonds do CW?
 
A:  All they send are ditz and duhs.
 
- Keith -
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Re: [Elecraft] Paying outstanding balance

[Dave G4AON]

John

I wasn't asked to confirm card and order details, so I e-mailed Lisa to 
update sales that my original credit card was OK and the order wasn't 
changing. I received an acknowledgement.


I assume because my telephone order was on Monday morning 30th April, 
that I will receive one of the first... But so far, no e-mail giving any 
expected shipping date.


73 Dave, G4AON
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[Elecraft] KPA-1500 option for the K3?

[Toby Deinhardt]

Hallo,

The first K3s now shipping... Hooray!!




How does this effect the first deliveries of the KPA-800/KPA-1500?




I'll miss all the suspense now that K3s are going out the door.

vy 73 de toby
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RE: [Elecraft] Logger32

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Mike, 

FR0 sets the receiver to VFO A - which is appropriate when 
clicking on a spot (set operation to the main VFO or main receiver), 
set frequency, then set the transmit frequency if different and 
finally turn on split). 

It is the MD3; command that is setting normal CW (MD3; is CW, 
MD7; is CW-R).  The discussion with any software author needs to 
be to support CW-R if you generally operate CW-R instead of CW. 
Some software allows the user to specify CW or CW-R as the default 
when clicking on a spot but that choice is used for all spots 
(it is, after all, necessary to set the mode when clicking on a 
spot). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



> | Mike Harris wrote:
> | > G'day,
> | >
> | > Been checking the command from Logger32 to the K2 when directly 
> entering a
> | > frequency eg. 18073kHz:
> | >
> | > FR0;FA00018073000;MD3;FA00018073000;
> | >
> | > FRO cancels split and presumably CW reverse as well.
> | >
> | > Bugger!
> | >
> | > Regards,
> | >
> | > Mike VP8NO
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
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[Elecraft] K3 S/N 00011

[Ed Muns]

I've been having power on problems with my K3 since picking it up last
Thursday in Aptos.  Initially, the problem was that it would not power up
immediately upon pressing the POWER button.  Sometimes the power on would be
delayed and other times it just wouldn't happen.  But, usually, after
several button presses, the power would come on.

Just now as I was proofing the manual and using the K3 in the process, it
started acting up.  Now, it is hard to get it to turn on and when I am
successful, it is locked up with no response from any of the buttons or
knobs.  It had MCU 1.17 and DSP 1.32 installed when I picked it up at
Elecraft.  When you asked us to try MCU 1.18, I loaded it, but not until you
put the second version up.  The download appeared to work fine.

Currently, this K3 will only power on once after the APP power cord is
connected.  Thereafter, I have to remove the power cord, reconnect it and
then it will power up in its frozen state.  The VFO-A and VFO-B values are
what they were when the radio last worked.  But the filter graphic and
filter icon (FL1, etc.) are completely blank.  Also, the LEDs are on full
bright, when I had them set for minimum brightness.  The display is also
fully bright.

I tried downloading MCU 1.18 again and got the 'Err DSE' in VFO-B.
Subsequent tries to download are unsuccessful ... they don't even get
started.

What can I do now?

Ed

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[Elecraft] K3 S/N 00011

[Don Rasmussen]

Hi Ed,

I'm sure this was posted to the list in error - doh!
;-)

I once had similar problem that I traced back to the
(molex) power connector on the back of the
transceiver. The "slightly open" DC to the radio at
the connector was tightened down and the fresh flow
of power to the radio cured it. Hope yours is so
simple... 

[Elecraft] K3 S/N 00011
Ed Muns 
Tue Oct 9 16:02:15 EDT 2007 

I've been having power on problems with my K3 since
picking it up last Thursday in Aptos. 
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Re: [Elecraft] Logger32

[Mike Harris]

G'day Joe,

>From the KIO2 programmer's ref:

FR (RX VFO Assignment and SPLIT Cancel; GET/SET)

SET/RSP format: FRn; where n specifies the receive/transmit VFO: 0 for VFO 
A and 1 for VFO B.

Sending an FR SET command always cancels SPLIT mode.

So, it looks like there is no option but to remember to re initiate split 
every time.  There are times when you can toggle between two targets when 
using the bandmap, split required in each case.  To lose the split when 
toggling sadly sometimes leads to the dreaded UP, UP lid!

I guess if it didn't work this way there would be an equal number of split 
instead of simplex errors.  Win some lose some.

I use CW reverse above 20M to keep the tuning sense consistent.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



| Mike,
|
| FR0 sets the receiver to VFO A - which is appropriate when
| clicking on a spot (set operation to the main VFO or main receiver),
| set frequency, then set the transmit frequency if different and
| finally turn on split).
|
| It is the MD3; command that is setting normal CW (MD3; is CW,
| MD7; is CW-R).  The discussion with any software author needs to
| be to support CW-R if you generally operate CW-R instead of CW.
| Some software allows the user to specify CW or CW-R as the default
| when clicking on a spot but that choice is used for all spots
| (it is, after all, necessary to set the mode when clicking on a
| spot).
|
| 73,
|
|   ... Joe, W4TV
|
|
|
|
| > | Mike Harris wrote:
| > | > G'day,
| > | >
| > | > Been checking the command from Logger32 to the K2 when directly
| > entering a
| > | > frequency eg. 18073kHz:
| > | >
| > | > FR0;FA00018073000;MD3;FA00018073000;
| > | >
| > | > FRO cancels split and presumably CW reverse as well.
| > | >
| > | > Bugger!
| > | >
| > | > Regards,
| > | >
| > | > Mike VP8NO
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
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Re: [Elecraft] Logger32

[Jack Brindle]

There is another way to do what you want (assuming I understand what  
you want...). Use the SW09 command to toggle between the two VFOs.  
This is the same as tapping the A/B key, and does not cancel SPLIT mode.


On Oct 9, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Mike Harris wrote:


G'day Joe,


From the KIO2 programmer's ref:


FR (RX VFO Assignment and SPLIT Cancel; GET/SET)

SET/RSP format: FRn; where n specifies the receive/transmit VFO: 0  
for VFO

A and 1 for VFO B.

Sending an FR SET command always cancels SPLIT mode.

So, it looks like there is no option but to remember to re initiate  
split
every time.  There are times when you can toggle between two  
targets when
using the bandmap, split required in each case.  To lose the split  
when

toggling sadly sometimes leads to the dreaded UP, UP lid!

I guess if it didn't work this way there would be an equal number  
of split

instead of simplex errors.  Win some lose some.

I use CW reverse above 20M to keep the tuning sense consistent.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO



| Mike,
|
| FR0 sets the receiver to VFO A - which is appropriate when
| clicking on a spot (set operation to the main VFO or main receiver),
| set frequency, then set the transmit frequency if different and
| finally turn on split).
|
| It is the MD3; command that is setting normal CW (MD3; is CW,
| MD7; is CW-R).  The discussion with any software author needs to
| be to support CW-R if you generally operate CW-R instead of CW.
| Some software allows the user to specify CW or CW-R as the default
| when clicking on a spot but that choice is used for all spots
| (it is, after all, necessary to set the mode when clicking on a
| spot).
|
| 73,
|
|   ... Joe, W4TV
|
|
|
|
| > | Mike Harris wrote:
| > | > G'day,
| > | >
| > | > Been checking the command from Logger32 to the K2 when  
directly

| > entering a
| > | > frequency eg. 18073kHz:
| > | >
| > | > FR0;FA00018073000;MD3;FA00018073000;
| > | >
| > | > FRO cancels split and presumably CW reverse as well.
| > | >
| > | > Bugger!
| > | >
| > | > Regards,
| > | >
| > | > Mike VP8NO
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 S/N 00011

[Ed Muns]

Please ignore.  This message was intended for the K3 field test reflector,
not the Elecraft reflector.

73,
Ed - W0YK

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Muns
> Sent: Tuesday, 09 October, 2007 13:02
> To: 'wayne burdick'
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; 'Rene Morris'
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 S/N 00011
> Importance: High

snip

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[Elecraft] Re: K3 S/N 00011

[wayne burdick]

Hi Ed!

I think we loaded the wrong image on your K3 when you brought it in. 
I'll get back to you later this afternoon.


Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] Eric or Wayne - Re: XV50: Problem with Errata C-4

[JT Croteau]

Eric or Wayne, could one of you please read my original post below and
address it along with a new problem with the Rev. C manual I just
found?   My emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] are not being answered.

Upon completion of my XV, I found I had extra parts from the 50MHz
completion parts package.  One of the parts is a pair of ferrite
beads.  According to the 50 MHz parts list, these beads are supposed
to be for L3.  However, under the 50 MHz instructions, I was told to
install a molded inductor at L3 and this molded inductor is also
listed as L3 in the 50 MHz section.  Is it safe to assume that the
beads should not be used and are legitimate extras.

Additionally, I have three extra parts from the "base" parts envelope
that I am still investigating.  One is a 100K 1/4W resistor and I also
have 2 "103" caps.  These may be legitimate "extras" however. I was
also missing a 56-Ohm resistor from the 50 MHz parts envelope but
found a local source and this is no big deal.

My biggest gripe though are with these docs.  I used to be a technical
writer so maybe I am a bit anal with this pet peeve.

Thanks

- JT

On 10/8/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to build my first XV, an XV50, and I just hit a road block.
>
> First, the page number references in the C-4 Errata don't match those
> in my Rev. C manual.
>
> #1 Page 25, Right Column, Second Step: Remove L17 from the list.  (The
> tuning slug for L17 should be left in the inductor).
>
> I'm confused by this for a couple reasons.  First, page 25 has no
> reference to L17.  In fact, on page 25 you are just wrapping up the
> front panel assembly.  Second, where you are about to install L17 on
> page 33, there is no mention about removing any of the slugs.  It just
> says to run the cores up and down and then set near the top of the
> coil.  On page 34, you solder them in.
>
> So, what am I actually supposed to do with L17?  Install it as normal?
>
> Then, the next step:
>
> #2 Page 25, Right Column, Second Step: After "L10" add "In the XV50,
> the inductor is a toroid and has no slug".
>
> Ok, I think I can figure this out but, again, the page numbers don't
> match and it actually references the same step as the first item.
>
> The page numbers for the remaining steps 3, 4, and 9 also don't seem
> to make sense but they are alignment issues and I think I can figure
> them out.
>
> I am really becoming disappointed with the quality of Elecraft's
> documentation of late.  I had a number of documentation issues with my
> Rev. G manual K2 build.  Several parts were substituted with different
> parts and not documented in any type of Errata and there were several
> formatting issues with the parts tables.  Several part numbers were
> cut off and/or didn't fit in the cells.  I had emailed my
> documentation issues as I found them to Elecraft but I only ever
> received a reply on one of them.  I hope the problems with the
> documentation aren't signs that Elecraft is too narrowly focused on
> the K3 at the moment and neglecting current products.
>
> Thanks for any help on just what to do with L17.  I presume I'm to
> just install it as I do L15 and L16.
>
> --
> JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx)
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[Elecraft] Hope Springs Eternal

[w6jd]

The Big Brown Truck just drove by...BUT IT DIDN'T STOP!
Curse you UPS!

Doug
W6JD
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[Elecraft] Hope Springs Eternal

[Don Rasmussen]

It's probably not your UPS delivery if they are only
shipping today, but maybe they -will- post the manual
today. ;-)

[Elecraft] Hope Springs Eternal
w6jd at comcast.net  
Tue Oct 9 17:49:36 EDT 2007 

The Big Brown Truck just drove by...BUT IT DIDN'T
STOP!
Curse you UPS!

Doug
W6JD

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Re: [Elecraft] Hope Springs Eternal

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Hmmm - mine has to get the big white bird first :-(


On 9/10/07 22:49, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

> The Big Brown Truck just drove by...BUT IT DIDN'T STOP!
> Curse you UPS!
> 
> Doug
-- 
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
-Aldous Huxley, novelist (1894-1963)


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Re: [Elecraft] Eric or Wayne - Re: XV50: Problem with Errata C-4

[Mike Harris]

G'day JT,

| Additionally, I have three extra parts from the "base" parts envelope
| that I am still investigating.  One is a 100K 1/4W resistor and I also
| have 2 "103" caps.  These may be legitimate "extras" however. I was
| also missing a 56-Ohm resistor from the 50 MHz parts envelope but
| found a local source and this is no big deal.

Same here.  I don't usually do an inventory so I had to go through the 
caps instalation one by one to make sure I hadn't missed any.

| My biggest gripe though are with these docs.  I used to be a technical
| writer so maybe I am a bit anal with this pet peeve.

Agreed, they are a mess of amendments and confusions.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 

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[Elecraft] K2 Seven Years Old

[Steve & Anne Ray]

It is hard to believe, but 7 years ago today, I finished my K2 S/N 1422 and
had the first QSO on it.   The rig has worked great since it was completed
and over the years I have incorporated the various mods (new crystals,
latest firmware etc)and accessories KSB2, KAT2, KIO2, KNB2, KAF2, K160RX.
The rig and the KPA100 and KAT100 have served me well and should for years.
It still has a while to go to catch up with my HW-101, which I ran from 1976
till 2000, when I finished my K2, I am sure the K2 will beat my HW-101
record.

Thanks Wayne and Eric for a great rig and the fun in building, operating it
and the various mods to upgrade it.

73,
Steve Ray K4JPN ex K1VKW
EM82ep Warner Robins GA
Elecraft K2 1422 & KPA-100
Heath Fan HW-101, HW-8
http://www.thewinstonator.com/K4JPN.htm


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RE: [Elecraft] K2 Seven Years Old

[Andy - GM0NWI]

Snip [...It is hard to believe, but 7 years ago today, I finished my K2 S/N
1422 and had the first QSO on it...]

Well.. THAT DOES give me hope Steve..!  I must have purchased my beloved K2
S/n 01432 soon afterwards... AND SHE'S STILL NOT COMPLETE..!!
They say "Life Takes You On A Journey".. It certainly has here..!, what with
health problems that I am plagued with daily (I suffer from Spina
Bifida and are confined 24/7 to a wheelchair for mobility), an just when I
started out on this "journey" my landlord in their wisdom decided to 
Update all 74 houses here on the sheltered housing complex I stay in here in
Stirling, Scotland.. 

As The Eagles would say.. "..it's a long, long road.. with many a winding
turn.."!!  Boy am I sure lookin' forward to it's end..

Snip [...The rig has worked great since it was completed..]

Well, I came to join the "Elecraft Brother And Sisterhood", kinda late in
the proceedings, I had "heard" about the rig, and all the wonderful things
It was supposed to be capable of doing then join the "family" here on the
reflector.. Been here ever since, what a Wonderful "family" to be part of
For sure, never in the history of my "Ham Career" have I been so privileged
to be part of such a wonderful bunch of folks, ..can't ever ... see me
Leavin'..

Snip "...I have incorporated the various mods (new crystals,latest firmware
etc)and accessories KSB2, KAT2, KIO2, KNB2, KAF2, K160RX. The rig and the
KPA100 and KAT100.. have served me well and should for years."

Yip..! Got All That Still To Come..!  I really hope that when the day comes
and she's all complete and ready to go that I too am fortunate enough to
Have that experience,.. for me building the K2 WAS.."Building The Dream".. a
boyhood dream from the tender age of 11 years, all I wanted to do was 
"build one of those radio's like the radio ham's do" and have my own
"shack", "...talk to AMERICA..".. nothing else mattered (and still doesn't),
here we are 17 "lightening fast" years down the line, and I have managed to
fulfil that "dream" in so many ways.. 

1: Became A Ham in February 1990, same day I moved "independently" into my
first home of which I am still living in at present ..

2: Speak/Spoke to AMERICA nearly every day since including during the
sunspot decline and minimum on the HF bands, made literally thousands (or
could it  be millions..!) of friends around the world, not only in AMERICA
but from "All 4 Corners Of The World"..278 Countries To Date to be exact..

3: BUILT "One Of Those Radio's Like The Radio Ham's Do".! Then duly bought
another one from Wayne & Eric (still to be built)..! 

4: Here we are 17 years later and Still learning and enjoying this wonderful
hobby we are all so blessed to be part of..

5: "Only Thing" left to do .. is Get Them Finished..! (which I'm working
on.!)

Life couldn't be sweeter..! (Unless of course I lived in AMERICA or Alaska
with Multi-Band 100 Foot Towers.. 1 or 2KW (at my disposal..!)
AND "if only" I had learned electronics and Ohms law ..much MUCH..earlier in
my life, and was better at construction that I am today..

Thanks for sharing your little insight into your "Journey" Steve with the
Elecraft K2, you have given me and probably countless others around the 
World tonight the inspiration to go on and get the job done..

To all those folks that have been and are waiting patiently on the day when
they finally receive their K3's be patiend.. 

"..Our Day Will Come.."

Hope to work you along with each and everyone of our fellow "Elecrafter"
brothers n sisters someday soon, when my health and schedule permit me to 
"Melt More Solder" I know there are folks out there just waiting in
anticipation on that day..

To Wayne, Eric, our very own "Mr Elecraft" Don Wilhelm W3FPR, Tom Hammond
N0SS...all the "Crew" at San Aptos..each and everyone that has helped
Me along the way...

Y'all Listen Out For ...ME.. Ya Hear..

72's 73's[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Andy
GM0NWI 

Elecraft K2 "Fully Loaded" QRP S/n 01432
Elecraft K2 "Fully Loaded" QRO S/n 05469



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Re: [Elecraft] Eric or Wayne - Re: XV50: Problem with Errata C-4

[JT Croteau]

The issues are now being addressed, Gary and I are now in
communication with one another.  Thanks Eric/Wayne.

-- 
JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx)
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[Elecraft] Troubleshooting KAT100

[Don Sandstrom]

The power control of my K2/100--KAT100 combination is acting 
up. This happened after a nearby lightning discharge (rare 
in the Seattle area). Power output does not track the power 
control setting very well. For example, with the lowest 
"high power" setting of 11 Watts, I am getting about 20+ 
Watts out. Also power control is not stable and "hunts" 
between levels about 5 Watts apart. I see this at all power 
settings, including low power settings.


I went through the alignment and test steps in the KAT100 
manual starting on page 27. In the Power 
Calibration-Reflected step I measure zero voltage at pin 5 
of U5, not 1.8 Volts as expected (using 10 Watts RF power 
for this test).


In the Power Calibration-Forward step the 1.8 volts is 
present at pin 3 of U5.


I suspect D2 was blown by the EMP from the lightning. Any 
suggestions as to how to confirm this? What else should I 
look for?


Other than the power control, the tuner still works and 
auto-tunes, although I haven't confirmed its really 
matching. The rest of the equipment seems all to be okay.


Thanks, Don, W7VXS

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Seven Years Old

[Kevin Rock]

Happy Birthday Steve!
   73,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS


On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:56:22 -0700, Steve & Anne Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


It is hard to believe, but 7 years ago today, I finished my K2 S/N 1422  
and
had the first QSO on it.   The rig has worked great since it was  
completed

and over the years I have incorporated the various mods (new crystals,
latest firmware etc)and accessories KSB2, KAT2, KIO2, KNB2, KAF2, K160RX.
The rig and the KPA100 and KAT100 have served me well and should for  
years.
It still has a while to go to catch up with my HW-101, which I ran from  
1976

till 2000, when I finished my K2, I am sure the K2 will beat my HW-101
record.

Thanks Wayne and Eric for a great rig and the fun in building, operating  
it

and the various mods to upgrade it.

73,
Steve Ray K4JPN ex K1VKW
EM82ep Warner Robins GA
Elecraft K2 1422 & KPA-100
Heath Fan HW-101, HW-8
http://www.thewinstonator.com/K4JPN.htm

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: CX Report

[N2EY]

In a message dated 10/9/07 6:43:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> What does make sense to me is to have "ALL" contests be restricted to less 
> 24 hours or less.  Why take a whole weekend?  

Because that way everyone has the same shot at the good times, regardless of 
sunspot cycle.

Besides - how many contests are more than 24 hours? 

73 de Jim, N2EY


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[Elecraft] Could This Be Yours?

[Gary Hvizdak]

File name = "Lisa with K3 a sm.JPG"

URL = http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Lisa%20with%20K3%20a%20sm.JPG


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[Elecraft] K3s Start Shipping!

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

The first production K3s started shipping today! (Oct 9th) :-)  We 
worked overtime last week and through the weekend to get everything in 
order. We had the usual last minute glitches (missing hardware we 
thought we had received, MORE toroid winding in Aptos, minor PCB 
assembly errors, documentation snafu's etc.) but we were able to resolve 
everything in time for shipping today. Whew!


Here's a picture of Lisa with the first K3/100 kit of this batch going 
out the door. :-)

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Lisa%20with%20K3%20a%20sm.JPG

After today's batch of K3s we will pause shipping for two days to let 
the dust settle and to make doubly sure we have everything in proper 
order. We will continue testing and packaging the K3 kits tomorrow and 
Thursday. We'll resume shipping on Friday and should continue shipping 
on a daily basis, Monday-Friday, after that. This week we are beginning 
with the kit versions of the K3. Mid next week the first built K3s will 
begin rolling out the door.


The rest of this week we will be contacting those of you that will be 
shipping over the next two weeks. Due to the very high number of orders 
that we received the first day at Visalia and via FAX/Internet (actually 
the first couple of weeks!) we will not be shipping all the first day 
orders on the first day, or two, or three. :-)  But we are working hard 
to get everyone's K3 out the door quickly.  Initial shipment rates will 
of course start out in small groups and slowly accelerate to more units 
per day as we ramp up. But our top priority to to make sure we get you a 
complete and quality product. Please be patient with us. We're just as 
anxious as you to get your radio on its way.


The K3 Operating manual is complete and I'll be posting it and the K3 
option manuals to the web by end of day tomorrow. I'll post a note here 
when they are on-line.


Now, where is that champagne...

73, Eric   WA6HHQ







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RE: [Elecraft] K3s Start Shipping!

[Stan Rife]

Outstanding Eric. I knew it was going to happen today. Actually I
thought it would be yesterday, but I forgot about the holiday (I KNOW you
guys took the holiday). ;-)

I was just putting my order together and figuring out what I could
live without for now, but the live without list was pretty short.


Stan Rife
W5EWA
Houston, TX
K2 S/N 4216

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ,
Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:48 PM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Start Shipping! 

The first production K3s started shipping today! (Oct 9th) :-)  We 
worked overtime last week and through the weekend to get everything in 
order. We had the usual last minute glitches (missing hardware we 
thought we had received, MORE toroid winding in Aptos, minor PCB 
assembly errors, documentation snafu's etc.) but we were able to resolve 
everything in time for shipping today. Whew!

Here's a picture of Lisa with the first K3/100 kit of this batch going 
out the door. :-)
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Lisa%20with%20K3%20a%20sm.JPG

After today's batch of K3s we will pause shipping for two days to let 
the dust settle and to make doubly sure we have everything in proper 
order. We will continue testing and packaging the K3 kits tomorrow and 
Thursday. We'll resume shipping on Friday and should continue shipping 
on a daily basis, Monday-Friday, after that. This week we are beginning 
with the kit versions of the K3. Mid next week the first built K3s will 
begin rolling out the door.

The rest of this week we will be contacting those of you that will be 
shipping over the next two weeks. Due to the very high number of orders 
that we received the first day at Visalia and via FAX/Internet (actually 
the first couple of weeks!) we will not be shipping all the first day 
orders on the first day, or two, or three. :-)  But we are working hard 
to get everyone's K3 out the door quickly.  Initial shipment rates will 
of course start out in small groups and slowly accelerate to more units 
per day as we ramp up. But our top priority to to make sure we get you a 
complete and quality product. Please be patient with us. We're just as 
anxious as you to get your radio on its way.

The K3 Operating manual is complete and I'll be posting it and the K3 
option manuals to the web by end of day tomorrow. I'll post a note here 
when they are on-line.

Now, where is that champagne...

73, Eric   WA6HHQ







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Re: [Elecraft] K3s Start Shipping!

[k4tmc]

BRAVO!

Now...don't drink too much of that bubbly stuff.

73,
Henry - K4TMC


-Original Message-
From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Elecraft List 
Sent: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 9:48 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Start Shipping!









The first production K3s started shipping today! (Oct 9th) :-)  We
worked overtime last week and through the weekend to get everything in
order. We had the usual last minute glitches (missing hardware we
thought we had received, MORE toroid winding in Aptos, minor PCB
assembly errors, documentation snafu's etc.) but we were able to 
resolve

everything in time for shipping today. Whew!


Here's a picture of Lisa with the first K3/100 kit of this batch going
out the door. :-)

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Lisa%20with%20K3%20a%20sm.JPG


After today's batch of K3s we will pause shipping for two days to let
the dust settle and to make doubly sure we have everything in proper
order. We will continue testing and packaging the K3 kits tomorrow and
Thursday. We'll resume shipping on Friday and should continue shipping
on a daily basis, Monday-Friday, after that. This week we are beginning
with the kit versions of the K3. Mid next week the first built K3s will
begin rolling out the door.


The rest of this week we will be contacting those of you that will be
shipping over the next two weeks. Due to the very high number of orders
that we received the first day at Visalia and via FAX/Internet 
(actually

the first couple of weeks!) we will not be shipping all the first day
orders on the first day, or two, or three. :-)  But we are working hard
to get everyone's K3 out the door quickly.  Initial shipment rates will
of course start out in small groups and slowly accelerate to more units
per day as we ramp up. But our top priority to to make sure we get you 
a

complete and quality product. Please be patient with us. We're just as
anxious as you to get your radio on its way.


The K3 Operating manual is complete and I'll be posting it and the K3
option manuals to the web by end of day tomorrow. I'll post a note here
when they are on-line.


Now, where is that champagne...


73, Eric   WA6HHQ








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[Elecraft] Re: PC->K3 command responsiveness

[Richard Smith]

Thanks for your response Wayne.  The P3 approach sounds like the way to go, 
and I look forward to seeing it.  My concern is that some of the patchwork 
solutions being discussed just won't cut it.


There may be a K3 in my future yet.

73,

Rich W1EZ
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From: "wayne burdick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Richard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" ; "John A. McCabe" 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: PC->K3 command responsiveness



Richard Smith wrote:

My first reaction without trying the program (always dangerous) is that 
needing HRD sitting between the PowerSDR GUI and the K3, and controlling 
the K3 via serial commands, will leave users with the feeling that 
software control just isn't responsive enough for real world uses.


Richard,

The K3 serial I/O port can run at up to 38.4 kb, and command response is 
very fast. It can also buffer a large number of commands at full speed and 
respond to them in order, error-free. To verify this, I'll paste 10 
different commands into the terminal emulator window, running at 38.4 kb. 
All 10 responses appear in the terminal emulator window immediately, with 
no perceptible delay.


Yesterday there was a discussion about Panadapter responsiveness. If/when 
we offer a panadapter, it will be tightly linked with the K3, so you'll be 
able to do things like click on a signal and move the VFO to it, etc. If 
the text decoder is turned on, CW, RTTY, and PSK31 signals will be decoded 
and displayed on the K3's own LCD and/or in a window on the panadapter.


Of course the "P3" would match the K3's enclosure styling, too, and may 
include a power supply and/or speaker. For field ops, you could take just 
the K3. Either way, it's computer-optional.


73,
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Seven Years Old

[Bob Fish]

As The Eagles would say.. "..it's a long, long road.. with many a winding
turn.."!!  Boy am I sure lookin' forward to it's end..


  

Hi Andy,

It wasn't the Eagles, it was The Hollies:

The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows when
But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother


73,

Bob   K6GGO


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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[Richard Smith]

Hi John,

As I understand it, latency is no longer an issue.  Latency issues with the 
early versions of PowerSDR and the SDR-1000 have been resolved.  That being 
said, signal processing latency is a fact of life for all digital radios. 
We are talking microseconds, and I don't think its fair to say that the 
performance of the SDR-5000A will be inferior in this respect to other 
radios such as the K3.  PCs are pretty damn fast processors these days.  I 
think the much slower serial control commands are more significant in 
dictating the feel of the software controlled radio than the signal 
processing latency.


73,

Rich W1EZ


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Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A



Hi Rich,

Actually, and correct me if I am wrong on this, but I believe that one of 
the bigger issues with SDR's right now is with latency. There is some 
delay in the processing of the signal on the computer which can cause 
effects such as slower turn around time for CW/Digtal Modes, slightly 
slower tuning, a slight delay in received and transmitted audio, etc. I 
know there has been a lot of  improvement made in that area, but I don't 
believe it is quite at the level of other radios such as the K3. . Whether 
or not this latency is more or less more then serial control of a radio, I 
am not sure. But I suspect that some of that might depend on the baud rate 
of the radio. I have a TS-2000 set to 57600 baud and it seems quite 
responsive, whereas my K2 which I believe is 4800 baud is noticeably less 
responsive. I am not sure what the baud rate is on the K3. And as far as 
booting up a computer, I work as a computer consultant, and sometimes the 
last thing I want to do when I get home from work is boot up my computer 
:)


John, KD8K



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Re: [Elecraft] Comparison: K3 and SDR 5000A

[Lyle Johnson]

As I understand it, latency is no longer an issue.  Latency issues with 
the early versions of PowerSDR and the SDR-1000 have been resolved.  
That being said, signal processing latency is a fact of life for all 
digital radios. We are talking microseconds,


I beg to differ.

Latency (delay) in a DSP-based radio (or SDR, if you prefer) is caused 
by several things.


The one we can't get rid of is the filter delay.  By making "shorter" 
filters (fewer taps), we can reduce the delay through the filter, but at 
the expense of filter performance.  We get wider skirts, less ultimate 
rejection, more passband ripple, or some combination of these three factors.


However, DSP can be applied in many ways.  One sure way to increase 
latency is by processing the incoming signal in blocks.  This means you 
collect a certain number of samples, then process them all at once while 
collecting the next block, etc.  PC implementations of DSP typically use 
this method.


Another method is to process the signal after each sample.  This 
eliminates the block delay.  This is how the K3 processes signals.


As an example, let's consider an SDR using 2048-sample blocks (common in 
the SDR world) and 96 kHz sampling.  It will take (2048/96,000 =) 22 
milliseconds to acquire this block.  This is 22 ms more delay, or 
latency, than a K3 will have, assuming similar delays in each radio for 
the filter(s).


For a real world example, I connected an SDR-14 receiver (with 
associated dual core 3 GHz PC) to the IF output of my K3.  I then tuned 
in an SSB signal and listened to it through the K3's speaker as well as 
demodulating it and listening through the PC's audio system.


The audio coming from the PC was very noticeably delayed versus the 
audio from the K3.


This delay or latency may not be an issue in all cases.  But in come 
common operational scenarios, like QSK CW or SSB using "syllabic" VOX, 
it can be critical.  By paying close attention to such latency issues in 
the architecture of the K3, we are able to provide QSK CW operation at 
speeds well over 30 WPM without "reducing the taps" in the filters or 
otherwise compromising the performance of the radio.  The 22 ms 
additional delay cited in the example above would kill QSK performance.


Latency is just one of many considerations that arise when comparing 
radios, architectures, and one's own needs and preferences.


73,

Lyle KK7P




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