Re: [Elecraft] RE: K3 - should data via the RS232 cable work?

2007-12-17 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Benedict [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Since I use a laptop with my rig I have no parallel or RS232 port lines to 
trigger FSK, hence my request for a RTTY keyboard capability as the only 
way I see to use Dual PB.




I recommend a SignaLink USB or the more expensive but excellent Navigator 
from USInterface.com. You can drive the SignaLink USB so that it keys a 
radio using VOX, also the SignaLink's soundcard will probably be much better 
than the soundcard in your laptop.


At the moment I am not in a position to add the features you want - as you 
have a laptop I am sure that you will prefer to use a proper software 
solution. I used the built-in RTTY in my IC-7800 for about 5 minutes - 
software programs were much easier to use and offer more modes such as 
PSK63F, Olivia, MFSK and SSTV.


Simon HB9DRV 


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[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 44, Issue 32

2007-12-17 Thread f5ul

Hello Dave,
It's normal, what you hear ! The direct connection to the d-sub connector is 
not recomended as it can damage either the computer or the transceiver. You 
will have to build the interface shown in the N3FJP software, either with 
transistors or with optical coupling ( prefered, no groud loop!). The result 
should be very nice with either interface. GL Dave!
73 from F5UL/Bob 



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[Elecraft] K2/100 Low output pwr 20m and up

2007-12-17 Thread George Frazer
Hi all

Yesterday I discovered a problem with my K2/100 (Serial 0413). I am getting
around 90 watts out on 80 through 30m but the pwr drops down to 50w on 20m
and keeps dropping to about 34w on 10m.

I have a K2/100.  It was originally a K2 when I bought it secondhand back in
2004.  I upgraded it from ver A to B at that time.  Last Christmas I updated
the radio adding the 60m/transverter kit K60VX to it and updated the
firmware where needed.

Over the summer I added the KPA100/KAT100 and the XV144 kits.  At the time
everything worked and was with in spec when I set it up.

After discovering the problem yesterday I took the KPA100 out of circuit and
did some tests with the radio at low power.  On the LF bands I get about 9
or 10 watts max but when I change to 20m the power drops to 5 watts and them
reduces as with the 100w pa in circuit.  I put my scope on the input to the
K60XV from the band pass filters and then on the output from the K60XV and
the levels match what the watt meter is showing me.

The radio has the following modules fitted.
KSB2
K160RX
KNB2
KAF2
K60VX


I have taken the KPA100 out of circuit and am still seeing the issue with
the base radio so I cant see it being an issue with the KPA100. The base K2
used to produce 15 watts key down.

Not having done any faultfinding on the K2 before could someone guide me as
to the best place to start.

Regards


George GI4SJQ
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[Elecraft] [K3] SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today

2007-12-17 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Mr Brown knew I was waiting for this, he paused to let me take a photo :)

Inventory tonight, but real bad cold, so need to feel better before assy.
-- 
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is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity.
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - should data via the RS232 cable work?

2007-12-17 Thread G4ILO


Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 
 I hope to add a more natural data terminal page that doesn't require you
 to
 have a Programmer's Reference manual open when you make data mode QSOs. 
 But
 I'm going to stop well short of competing with MTTY or any of the other
 data-mode programs that decode with a sound card.   I have vacation plans,
 so this work won't happen until early next year.
 
My program KCommunicate is intended to take advantage of the K3's built in
encoding and decoding. Since it can send CW from the keyboard using KY
commands there is no reason why it could not also send RTTY or PSK using
these commands, though obviously the software would need some changes such
as allowing a larger character set to be sent.

However there is little advantage in transmitting data via serial port
commands if you still need to use the computer sound card to decode it. The
current TT1 implementation of sending raw decoded text back to the serial
port is unusable by software that also wants frequency, mode, S-meter
readings and other information from the radio. Users who have installed the
second receiver option may also want software capable of independently
displaying two separate decoded data streams.

Dave, G4AON, commented that KCommunicate does not seem to work with a K3.
That is hardly surprising, as I have not got a K3 to test it with yet. But
even if I did, I suspect I still will not be able to get this to work until
there is further refinement of the firmware in this area.

-
Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
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Re: [Elecraft] Psk

2007-12-17 Thread G4ILO


Stephen Prior wrote:
 
 Thanks for the advice David, I shall do as you and Dave KD1NA suggest - at
 least that way I suspect the setting of the output level from the
 soundcard
 will be less critical.  With other radios I have owned such as the
 IC-7400,
 it was recommended practice to have the power control at 100W and set the
 output power on psk solely by audio input level - it was a bit touchy
 sometimes!
 
 I have a fan sitting on top of the heatsink, it's blowing down at the
 moment
 and that seems to cut down the amount the noisy little fan comes on quite
 noticeably.
 
I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned it but I am sure one of the changes
introduced way back when the revision 2 firmware was released for the K2 was
to add a soft ALC in data mode that did not have an adverse effect on
signal quality. Perhaps Lyle can comment since I am sure that he originally
came up with a mod for this that was eventually incorporated in later
production models.

I set the power control to 5W on my K2/10 and adjust the audio level so that
1 bar of ALC is showing. This gives a consistent output level that does not
normally need to be readjusted even when changing bands.

-
Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
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[Elecraft] K2 - RTTY walk through, connections, and software

2007-12-17 Thread David Wilburn
I was planning on waiting till next year when the K3 gets here to play
with RTTY, but after seeing all the activity this past weekend I am
getting the itch.  So I am trying to understand what I need to do to get
the K2 on RTTY, or if I am better off to wait.  Separate from these
questions, I do need to re-visit the K2's alignment and filter settings.
It could use some attention, as I have learned more since I performed
the last ones after the SSB installation.

The long term view is that the K3 will become the primary operating /
contesting rig, and the K2 will be used as a back-up and to search for
other stations / multi's while in the contest.  So I need to be
cognizant of how much I spend on a K2 only solution at this time.

I do understand I need the following;
* Computer, soundcard, and software
* K2 needs an alignment, and turn on and setting of the RTTY filters
* Interface between the computer and the K2
* RTTY software

Anything I didn't consider?

Currently my resources are a K2, and a deaf computer.  So I know I need
to put a sound card in the computer.  On a side note, I plan to use the
K3 for contesting, would I be better off to start looking at the
MicroHam products, and plan on migrating that from the K2 to the K3?  I
am getting more and more into contesting, and I do not currently have a
voice keyer, or a way of keying the CW on the K2 from the computer.  I
have some very nice responses from my CW K2 keying questions in my
Keepers folder, so I'm covered there.  Just starting to think about
larger solutions that solve multiple issues at once.

Filter Setup

I have never done RTTY, so my search through the Elecraft archive was
fruitful, but I didn't quite understand the results.  Has anyone done a
walk-through on the RTTY setup like currently exist from N0SS and W3FPR
for SSB and CW?  Don's page describes settings for RTTY with a TNC.

I have seen notes in the archive about setting the RTTY mark and space.
Being new to this, not sure what I need to do here, but I got the
impression that I should set the passband for 1000 if possible, and 800
if not.  Then use the RIT to try and tune the signal.  Am I barking up
the right tree here?

Interface
=
I picked up Don's line out card to get the output for digital modes, but
I am not going to have time to get that together, and revisit the
alignments, between now and the ARRL RTTY activity in January.  

There are many quick and easy commercial interfaces, from low cost to
quite expensive, but also with increasing capabilities.  Once again,
because of the ability to migrate it to the K3, and I am thinking about
going ahead and investing in the MicroHam, if that meets the needs.

Software

With RTTY, do they do the logging with the RTTY software?  Any
recommendations concerning software?  I have been using the N3FJP
programs for contesting, and logging, but I am starting to use N1MM for
contest logging.

-- 

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today

2007-12-17 Thread Rick Dettinger

David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today


 Mr Brown knew I was waiting for this, he paused to let me take a photo :)

 Inventory tonight, but real bad cold, so need to feel better before assy.

==

David, we need to know when you placed your order.  Then we can update our
calculations (guess?).
73
Rick Dettinger
K7MW



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Re: [Elecraft] Psk

2007-12-17 Thread Stephen Prior
Thanks Julian, that's interesting.  I haven't got to transmitting yet as I
find that I have lost the ssb tx audio somewhere!  I don't even have any
output using the microphone - I think I must have made a mistake on the mic
header where I have soldered the screened cable for the data audio in.

Thanks

73, Stephen G4SJP


On 17/12/07 12:06, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Stephen Prior wrote:
 
 Thanks for the advice David, I shall do as you and Dave KD1NA suggest - at
 least that way I suspect the setting of the output level from the
 soundcard
 will be less critical.  With other radios I have owned such as the
 IC-7400,
 it was recommended practice to have the power control at 100W and set the
 output power on psk solely by audio input level - it was a bit touchy
 sometimes!
 
 I have a fan sitting on top of the heatsink, it's blowing down at the
 moment
 and that seems to cut down the amount the noisy little fan comes on quite
 noticeably.
 
 I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned it but I am sure one of the changes
 introduced way back when the revision 2 firmware was released for the K2 was
 to add a soft ALC in data mode that did not have an adverse effect on
 signal quality. Perhaps Lyle can comment since I am sure that he originally
 came up with a mod for this that was eventually incorporated in later
 production models.
 
 I set the power control to 5W on my K2/10 and adjust the audio level so that
 1 bar of ALC is showing. This gives a consistent output level that does not
 normally need to be readjusted even when changing bands.
 
 -
 Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
 Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today

2007-12-17 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Yes, I had posted previously, stupid of me not to include previous details:

Ordered 2-May @ 15:45z and paid 100%
Added lots of 'bits' to it over the period from then until now.

I received my Invoice confirmation Sat 8-Dec at 23:58z
Shipping in 7-10 days by UPS Express.

Got my 'shipping' notification Sat 15-Dec at 00:09z

SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today


On 17/12/07 16:53, Rick Dettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 
 David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today
 
 
 Mr Brown knew I was waiting for this, he paused to let me take a photo :)
 
 Inventory tonight, but real bad cold, so need to feel better before assy.
 
 ==
 
 David, we need to know when you placed your order.  Then we can update our
 calculations (guess?).
 73
 Rick Dettinger
 K7MW

-- 
Accuracy Transcends Speed


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - should data via the RS232 cable work?

2007-12-17 Thread David Wilburn
What cables / interfaces are needed for the KCommunicate solution?  
-  

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 03:53 -0800, G4ILO wrote:
 KCommunicate

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[Elecraft] Re: KX1 Lid-Tiltstand

2007-12-17 Thread Dale Kretzer

A form of protective lid for the KX1 that also acts as a tiltstand is an
interesting challenge, Paul. Sitting here enjoying much-needed rain in
Sacramento, I see on my KX1 those two panel screws part way down
from the top that could be substituted to hold an elongated hinge for
attaching a top created from materials purchased from, say, Tap Plastics.
Finding and modifying a useful hinge might be the most difficult search.
A modified hasp on the front lip could easily secure into the screwhole
for the KX1 paddle, and the lid could swing back to make a tiltstand.

I also use a different paddle, preferring the Paddlette, and have it mounted
snuggly to the right side on a piece of PC board which in turn is secured by
a thumbscrew on the base of the KX1. I use a different thumbscrew, since
the original would stick out farther than the rubber feet on the base.

One doesn't want to modify an Elecraft cabinet, but nothing is harmed by
add-ons which don't mar it. Part of the experimenter in this old ham's
heart loves trying to solve such challenges.

Merry Christmas, and keep dreaming up good projects.
Dale - K6PJV


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:09:59 -0500
From: Paul Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Elecraft] Visions of sugar plums
Here in Detroit we are in the middle of a snow storm that could bring up to
12 inches by the end of today so I am enjoying a slow morning with my coffee
and some time to daydream.  Here is a thought for the Elecraft design
engineers - a KX1 with a redesigned case that includes a hard cover to
protect the controls and display during transportation.  This hard cover
could then flip around and serve as a prop to provide a small tilt angle for
the rig during use.  The KXPD1 paddle would probably need to be reworked to
accommodate a tilt but that shouldn't be too difficult.  (I use a detached
paddle with my KX1.)

Merry Christmas and 73,
Paul - N8XMS


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 External Keying

2007-12-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Dear Dave,

You need to use the transistor circuit too. It does 2 things, first it
makes the RS232 levels, which are often +12V and -12V, compatible with the
K2 (applying -12V to the keying input is probably not a good idea), and
second it inverts the keying. I think the inversion is what is giving you
the continuous tone which is the sidetone. The incorrect sequence of dots
and dashes are then the spaces in the message rather than the dots and dashes.

73 Kevin w9cf

I have configured my computer and paddle according to Figure 8-1 on page 92
of my K2 owner's manual. According to the N3FJP software I connected the
keyline to pin 7 of the d-sub and ground to pin 5. I selected INP PDLn and A
DET On in the K2 menu. When I turn on the K2 I hear a low frequency steady
tone coming from the K2 speaker. When I tell the N3FJP software to send a
message, the message is heard but it is not the correct sequence of dots and
dashes.  N3FJP shows a transistor interface in the help section. However, I
am using the two diodes shown in Figure 8-1. Can anyone help me solve this
problem?

73,
Dave Kent
K0TCP

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Re: [Elecraft] PSK31 on K3

2007-12-17 Thread Lyle Johnson

When I transmitted PSK31 on a K2, I increased the audio until the ALC just
flickered. The K3 Manual suggests that the mic gain is advanced until 4-7
bars show on the ALC. I thought compression and ALC had to be zero to avoid
excessive bandwidth and distortion? Has the K3 got something the K2 hasn't
in this respect?


In a word, yes.

The K3 manual is providing the correct information for use of PSK31 or 
other modes on the K3: CMP set to 0, and MIC or LINE IN adjusted for 4 
to 7 bars of ALC.


Enjoy!

73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread wayne burdick
A few of you have asked how to use and interpret the settings of the 
receiver's DSP controls when in AM mode (SHIFT/WIDTH and HICUT/LOCUT 
functions). I'll be improving the associated Owner's Manual section 
soon, but I thought I'd try to get the word out more quickly.


What the DSP controls are adjusting is the final audio passband: what 
you hear. This is true in all modes, and is immediately reflected in 
the DSP graphic on the LCD. When you rotate WIDTH and see 2.80, 
that means that the audio bandwidth is 2.80 kHz. When you rotate SHIFT 
and see 1.60, that means the center of the audio passband is 1.60 
kHz.


Of course there isn't just audio filtering in the K3. As you rotate 
these controls, we internally adjust the 1st and 2nd I.F. passbands 
optimally to match the audio passband. For example, in SSB mode, if you 
set WIDTH to 2.80, and have a 2.80 kHz crystal filter, then you have 
three filters all cascaded at this same bandwidth: a 2.8 kHz 1st-IF 
crystal filter (centered at 8.215 MHz); a 2.8 kHz 2nd-IF DSP filter 
(centered at 15 kHz); and finally, a 2.8 kHz DSP audio filter (centered 
at 1.6 kHz). We do all the math to make this as seamless as possible, 
selecting the ideal crystal filter as you cut the highs or lows or 
reduce the audio bandwidth.


With this in mind, I can now explain what happens in AM mode, which has 
to be handled differently.


An AM signal is comprised of a carrier and both sidebands. So it's much 
wider than an SSB signal, and this is why you need a 6-kHz crystal 
filter for best fidelity. But this filter bandwidth is only required 
ahead of the AM demodulator, that is, at the first and second I.F.s. 
After the demodulator, we're back to the audio passband -- what you 
hear.


So, when you rotate the DSP controls in AM mode, even though you'll 
typically see the 6-kHz filter selected (FL1 on my rig), you won't 
see 6.00 shown on the LCD. Instead, you'll see the audio bandwidth 
(2.80, etc.), just like you do in other modes. And this is what makes 
sense, given that the controls are linked the AF passband.


This will be even more apparent when using FM (coming soon!). FM 
requires a filter around 13 kHz wide. As you can see, having the DSP 
controls show something like 13.00 when WIDTH is rotated wouldn't be 
very useful. You'll want to know how they affect what you hear, not the 
underlying IF filter selection.


Note: For now, I suggest that you enable only the 6-kHz crystal filter 
for AM. A future firmware revision will also properly handle the 2.8 or 
2.7 kHz crystal filters when DSP controls are rotated in AM mode. This 
will be most useful when doing hicut/locut.


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 External Keying

2007-12-17 Thread John

I think Dave needs to select Hand in the inp menu, and not pdl

John
k7up


At 01:18 PM 17/12/07, you wrote:

Dear Dave,

You need to use the transistor circuit too. It does 2 things, first it
makes the RS232 levels, which are often +12V and -12V, compatible with the
K2 (applying -12V to the keying input is probably not a good idea), and
second it inverts the keying. I think the inversion is what is giving you
the continuous tone which is the sidetone. The incorrect sequence of dots
and dashes are then the spaces in the message rather than the dots and dashes.

73 Kevin w9cf

I have configured my computer and paddle according to Figure 8-1 on page 92
of my K2 owner's manual. According to the N3FJP software I connected the
keyline to pin 7 of the d-sub and ground to pin 5. I selected INP PDLn and A
DET On in the K2 menu. When I turn on the K2 I hear a low frequency steady
tone coming from the K2 speaker. When I tell the N3FJP software to send a
message, the message is heard but it is not the correct sequence of dots and
dashes.  N3FJP shows a transistor interface in the help section. However, I
am using the two diodes shown in Figure 8-1. Can anyone help me solve this
problem?

73,
Dave Kent
K0TCP

=-
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Department of Physics
Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287-1504
(480) 965-8240 Fax: (480) 965-7954
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[Elecraft] Christmas

2007-12-17 Thread treff

Just like to take this opportunity to wish all on the reflector 
and all at Elecraft a Merry Christmas and Happy New year
Best 73 to all
Trev GW4IMC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread David Wilburn
Nice explanation, thanks.  
-  

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 13:06 -0800, wayne burdick wrote:
 A few of you have asked how to use and interpret the settings of the 
 receiver's DSP controls when in AM mode (SHIFT/WIDTH and HICUT/LOCUT 
 functions). I'll be improving the associated Owner's Manual section 
 soon, but I thought I'd try to get the word out more quickly.
 
 What the DSP controls are adjusting is the final audio passband: what 
 you hear. This is true in all modes, and is immediately reflected in 
 the DSP graphic on the LCD. When you rotate WIDTH and see 2.80, 
 that means that the audio bandwidth is 2.80 kHz. When you rotate SHIFT 
 and see 1.60, that means the center of the audio passband is 1.60 
 kHz.
 
 Of course there isn't just audio filtering in the K3. As you rotate 
 these controls, we internally adjust the 1st and 2nd I.F. passbands 
 optimally to match the audio passband. For example, in SSB mode, if you 
 set WIDTH to 2.80, and have a 2.80 kHz crystal filter, then you have 
 three filters all cascaded at this same bandwidth: a 2.8 kHz 1st-IF 
 crystal filter (centered at 8.215 MHz); a 2.8 kHz 2nd-IF DSP filter 
 (centered at 15 kHz); and finally, a 2.8 kHz DSP audio filter (centered 
 at 1.6 kHz). We do all the math to make this as seamless as possible, 
 selecting the ideal crystal filter as you cut the highs or lows or 
 reduce the audio bandwidth.
 
 With this in mind, I can now explain what happens in AM mode, which has 
 to be handled differently.
 
 An AM signal is comprised of a carrier and both sidebands. So it's much 
 wider than an SSB signal, and this is why you need a 6-kHz crystal 
 filter for best fidelity. But this filter bandwidth is only required 
 ahead of the AM demodulator, that is, at the first and second I.F.s. 
 After the demodulator, we're back to the audio passband -- what you 
 hear.
 
 So, when you rotate the DSP controls in AM mode, even though you'll 
 typically see the 6-kHz filter selected (FL1 on my rig), you won't 
 see 6.00 shown on the LCD. Instead, you'll see the audio bandwidth 
 (2.80, etc.), just like you do in other modes. And this is what makes 
 sense, given that the controls are linked the AF passband.
 
 This will be even more apparent when using FM (coming soon!). FM 
 requires a filter around 13 kHz wide. As you can see, having the DSP 
 controls show something like 13.00 when WIDTH is rotated wouldn't be 
 very useful. You'll want to know how they affect what you hear, not the 
 underlying IF filter selection.
 
 Note: For now, I suggest that you enable only the 6-kHz crystal filter 
 for AM. A future firmware revision will also properly handle the 2.8 or 
 2.7 kHz crystal filters when DSP controls are rotated in AM mode. This 
 will be most useful when doing hicut/locut.
 
 73,
 Wayne
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[Elecraft]: Tokyo Hy Power HL-1.5Kfx

2007-12-17 Thread Stephen W. Kercel

Elecrafters:

Has anyone on the list tried running a K2 with a Tokyo Hy Power 
HL-1.5Kfx amplifier, using full QSK. Is any external hardware 
required to enable full QSK operation?


Thanks and 73,

Steve Kercel
AA4AK


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread Bill W5WVO
I'm sure my fogginess on this is due to my own understanding deficit, but I 
would like some more explanation on this in order to compare how the K3 will 
be used to how I use GC receivers now to listen to AM SWBC in congested bands.


I've found the best way to reduce QRM while using a typical dumb AM/SSB GC 
receiver is to put the carrier in the center of the IF passband, then switch 
to either USB or LSB mode (with the carrier zero-beat) and listen to either 
the upper or the lower sideband. That way, if adjacent-channel QRM is worse on 
the high side, listening only to the lower sideband eliminates it, and 
vice-versa.


Will something equivalent to this mode of reception be possible on the K3?

Bill / W5WVO


wayne burdick wrote:

A few of you have asked how to use and interpret the settings of the
receiver's DSP controls when in AM mode (SHIFT/WIDTH and HICUT/LOCUT
functions). I'll be improving the associated Owner's Manual section
soon, but I thought I'd try to get the word out more quickly.

What the DSP controls are adjusting is the final audio passband: what
you hear. This is true in all modes, and is immediately reflected in
the DSP graphic on the LCD. When you rotate WIDTH and see 2.80,
that means that the audio bandwidth is 2.80 kHz. When you rotate SHIFT
and see 1.60, that means the center of the audio passband is 1.60
kHz.

Of course there isn't just audio filtering in the K3. As you rotate
these controls, we internally adjust the 1st and 2nd I.F. passbands
optimally to match the audio passband. For example, in SSB mode, if
you set WIDTH to 2.80, and have a 2.80 kHz crystal filter, then you
have three filters all cascaded at this same bandwidth: a 2.8 kHz
1st-IF crystal filter (centered at 8.215 MHz); a 2.8 kHz 2nd-IF DSP
filter (centered at 15 kHz); and finally, a 2.8 kHz DSP audio filter
(centered at 1.6 kHz). We do all the math to make this as seamless as
possible, selecting the ideal crystal filter as you cut the highs or
lows or reduce the audio bandwidth.

With this in mind, I can now explain what happens in AM mode, which
has to be handled differently.

An AM signal is comprised of a carrier and both sidebands. So it's
much wider than an SSB signal, and this is why you need a 6-kHz
crystal filter for best fidelity. But this filter bandwidth is only
required ahead of the AM demodulator, that is, at the first and
second I.F.s. After the demodulator, we're back to the audio passband
-- what you hear.

So, when you rotate the DSP controls in AM mode, even though you'll
typically see the 6-kHz filter selected (FL1 on my rig), you won't
see 6.00 shown on the LCD. Instead, you'll see the audio bandwidth
(2.80, etc.), just like you do in other modes. And this is what
makes sense, given that the controls are linked the AF passband.

This will be even more apparent when using FM (coming soon!). FM
requires a filter around 13 kHz wide. As you can see, having the DSP
controls show something like 13.00 when WIDTH is rotated wouldn't be
very useful. You'll want to know how they affect what you hear, not
the underlying IF filter selection.

Note: For now, I suggest that you enable only the 6-kHz crystal filter
for AM. A future firmware revision will also properly handle the 2.8
or 2.7 kHz crystal filters when DSP controls are rotated in AM mode. This
will be most useful when doing hicut/locut.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread Bill W5WVO
To clarify -- Will something equivalent to this mode be possible on the K3 
IN AM MODE  -- i.e., without having to absorb the carrier energy, as when 
listening in USB/LSB mode? Can I shift the IF passband in AM mode and listen 
to just one sideband or the other?


Bill / W5WVO


Bill W5WVO wrote:

I'm sure my fogginess on this is due to my own understanding deficit,
but I would like some more explanation on this in order to compare
how the K3 will be used to how I use GC receivers now to listen to AM
SWBC in congested bands.
I've found the best way to reduce QRM while using a typical dumb
AM/SSB GC receiver is to put the carrier in the center of the IF
passband, then switch to either USB or LSB mode (with the carrier
zero-beat) and listen to either the upper or the lower sideband. That
way, if adjacent-channel QRM is worse on the high side, listening
only to the lower sideband eliminates it, and vice-versa.

Will something equivalent to this mode of reception be possible on
the K3?
Bill / W5WVO


wayne burdick wrote:

A few of you have asked how to use and interpret the settings of the
receiver's DSP controls when in AM mode (SHIFT/WIDTH and HICUT/LOCUT
functions). I'll be improving the associated Owner's Manual section
soon, but I thought I'd try to get the word out more quickly.

What the DSP controls are adjusting is the final audio passband: what
you hear. This is true in all modes, and is immediately reflected in
the DSP graphic on the LCD. When you rotate WIDTH and see 2.80,
that means that the audio bandwidth is 2.80 kHz. When you rotate
SHIFT and see 1.60, that means the center of the audio passband is
1.60 kHz.

Of course there isn't just audio filtering in the K3. As you rotate
these controls, we internally adjust the 1st and 2nd I.F. passbands
optimally to match the audio passband. For example, in SSB mode, if
you set WIDTH to 2.80, and have a 2.80 kHz crystal filter, then you
have three filters all cascaded at this same bandwidth: a 2.8 kHz
1st-IF crystal filter (centered at 8.215 MHz); a 2.8 kHz 2nd-IF DSP
filter (centered at 15 kHz); and finally, a 2.8 kHz DSP audio filter
(centered at 1.6 kHz). We do all the math to make this as seamless as
possible, selecting the ideal crystal filter as you cut the highs or
lows or reduce the audio bandwidth.

With this in mind, I can now explain what happens in AM mode, which
has to be handled differently.

An AM signal is comprised of a carrier and both sidebands. So it's
much wider than an SSB signal, and this is why you need a 6-kHz
crystal filter for best fidelity. But this filter bandwidth is only
required ahead of the AM demodulator, that is, at the first and
second I.F.s. After the demodulator, we're back to the audio passband
-- what you hear.

So, when you rotate the DSP controls in AM mode, even though you'll
typically see the 6-kHz filter selected (FL1 on my rig), you won't
see 6.00 shown on the LCD. Instead, you'll see the audio bandwidth
(2.80, etc.), just like you do in other modes. And this is what
makes sense, given that the controls are linked the AF passband.

This will be even more apparent when using FM (coming soon!). FM
requires a filter around 13 kHz wide. As you can see, having the DSP
controls show something like 13.00 when WIDTH is rotated wouldn't
be very useful. You'll want to know how they affect what you hear,
not the underlying IF filter selection.

Note: For now, I suggest that you enable only the 6-kHz crystal
filter for AM. A future firmware revision will also properly handle
the 2.8 or 2.7 kHz crystal filters when DSP controls are rotated in AM 
mode.

This will be most useful when doing hicut/locut.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft]: Tokyo Hy Power HL-1.5Kfx

2007-12-17 Thread David Wilburn
http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=tokyo+k2+qskl=elecraft%
40mailman.qth.net

If the link is broke, I just went to the archives, there is a link on
the Elecraft page, and searched Tokyo, K2, and QSK, and it showed
several different messages.  Hope this helps, you can play with the
searching some, I was finding quite a bit of info, when searching for
Tokyo and K2.
-  

David Wilburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K4DGW
K2 S/N 5982


On Mon, 2007-12-17 at 17:53 -0500, Stephen W. Kercel wrote:
 Elecrafters:
 
 Has anyone on the list tried running a K2 with a Tokyo Hy Power 
 HL-1.5Kfx amplifier, using full QSK. Is any external hardware 
 required to enable full QSK operation?
 
 Thanks and 73,
 
 Steve Kercel
 AA4AK
 
 
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[Elecraft] [K3] CW PTT

2007-12-17 Thread Kirb Nesbitt
Sorry if this has been covered, however I was just wondering if someone
could confirm/deny whether the K3 supports PTT cw (essentially MOX in
cw) to be used with external keying/sequencing devices?

73,

Kirb - VE6IV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread Fred Jensen

wayne burdick wrote:
A few of you have asked how to use and interpret the settings of the 
receiver's DSP controls when in AM mode (SHIFT/WIDTH and HICUT/LOCUT 
functions). I'll be improving the associated Owner's Manual section 
soon, but I thought I'd try to get the word out more quickly.




It makes so much sense when the K3's Dad explains it.  Too bad Wayne 
couldn't have talked to my Dad before he tried to explain to me where 
babies come quite a few years ago.  Fortunately, I already knew.  :-)


DIFFERENT SUBJECT:  My KAT100 seems to have lost it's tuning brains.  Is 
there something I can do to reboot it?  Feeding a dummy load, it rattles 
relays like mad, finally gives up at 9:1 SWR.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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[Elecraft]: Tokyo Hy Power HL-1.5Kfx

2007-12-17 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
Has anyone on the list tried running a K2 with a Tokyo Hy Power 
HL-1.5Kfx amplifier, using full QSK. Is any external hardware 
required to enable full QSK operation?

I got to play with the HL-1.5kFX for a review I did for CQ Magazine.  It
sources only a milliamp or two, so any transceiver solid-state output will
work with it (even my IC-706MKIIG).  I measured the QSK relay switching time
at about 5ms, but the relays are spec'd at 10ms maximum, 5ms typical.  So if
you can set your amp enable to RF output delay to 10ms or greater, you
won't have any problems.  You can start with 5ms and listen on a separate
receiver to your signal.  You can hear when you start hot-switching your
transceiver (sounds like bad key-clicks).  Drive the amp with maybe 10-watts
or so when you are doing this.

Phil - AD5X

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007, Fred Jensen wrote:



It makes so much sense when the K3's Dad explains it.  Too bad Wayne 
couldn't have talked to my Dad before he tried to explain to me where babies 
come quite a few years ago.


I believe that is True Mojo.

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[Elecraft] OT FS: OHR 100A 40 Meter, 5W Xcvr--$80 Shipped

2007-12-17 Thread Jeff T. Casey
Hi gang,

As part of my continuing effort to gather the funds
for a new K3, I now have for sale an Oak Hills
Research OHR 100A 40 meter, 5 watt CW transceiver that
works properly, is in mint condition, and comes with
the manual and fused power cord.  Note that the 100A
has both RF and AF gain controls, a receive bandwidth
control (400 to 1200 Hz), a transmitter power control
(from a few mW up to 5W), and covers 7.000-7.070 MHz. 
The rig's features, specs, and some photos are given
here:
http://www.ohr.com/ohr100a.htm

The price is $80 including shipping within the U.S. 
Payment must be by U.S. Postal Service money order
only.

Please email me off-list if you're interested.

Thanks very much and Happy Holidays,
Jeff
NE2J (formerly WB5GWB)
LIQRP Club #1
http://www.qsl.net/liqrp

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW PTT

2007-12-17 Thread Ed K1EP

yes

At 12/17/2007 07:43 PM, Kirb Nesbitt wrote:

Sorry if this has been covered, however I was just wondering if someone
could confirm/deny whether the K3 supports PTT cw (essentially MOX in
cw) to be used with external keying/sequencing devices?

73,

Kirb - VE6IV
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW PTT

2007-12-17 Thread Vic K2VCO

Kirb Nesbitt wrote:

Sorry if this has been covered, however I was just wondering if someone
could confirm/deny whether the K3 supports PTT cw (essentially MOX in
cw) to be used with external keying/sequencing devices?


Yes.
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
K3 no. 7
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW PTT

2007-12-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Kirb,

If is doesn't presently, it will - that is an important function to many 
VHFers and some of those running SO2R.
Currently, PTT does work on CW, but it may or may not inhibit input from 
the paddles right now - I have not checked on the progress of this 
function with the recent firmware upgrades.


73,
Don W3FPR

Kirb Nesbitt wrote:

Sorry if this has been covered, however I was just wondering if someone
could confirm/deny whether the K3 supports PTT cw (essentially MOX in
cw) to be used with external keying/sequencing devices?

73,

Kirb - VE6IV
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Re: [Elecraft] KAT100 bad behavior

2007-12-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Fred,

There is no 'reboot' possible with the KAT100.

Either you have a really bad load on the KAT100 (like a short or open 
circuit), or the 1N5711 diodes have been zapped by a static surge of 
some type (like lightning).  Replacing the diodes usually cures that 
behavior.


73,
Don W3FPR

Fred Jensen wrote:


DIFFERENT SUBJECT:  My KAT100 seems to have lost it's tuning brains.  
Is there something I can do to reboot it?  Feeding a dummy load, it 
rattles relays like mad, finally gives up at 9:1 SWR.


73,


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW PTT

2007-12-17 Thread Vic K2VCO

Don Wilhelm wrote:

Kirb,

If is doesn't presently, it will - that is an important function to many 
VHFers and some of those running SO2R.
Currently, PTT does work on CW, but it may or may not inhibit input from 
the paddles right now - I have not checked on the progress of this 
function with the recent firmware upgrades.


It works properly now. At one point there was a bug that hitting the key 
enabled tx even when VOX was not on, but this was fixed.

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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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[Elecraft] Mics for the K3

2007-12-17 Thread THOMAS BRERETON
I've been reading the mail about mics for the K3. I am using a Yaesu MD-100 for 
my FT-897D (which I will be selling upon the arrival of my K3).  It's a very 
nice desk-top, simple mic with 8 pin configuration which of course does not 
match the K3 pin outs.
Is there anyone who can suggest how I can use this mic with the K3?
Tom, W0TOM
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW PTT

2007-12-17 Thread Kirb Nesbitt
Beauty. Thanks guys.
Santa just got another high priority email. Question is, does he have
any pull with Eric and Wayne?

Kirb - VE6IV
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Vic K2VCO wrote:
 Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Kirb,

 If is doesn't presently, it will - that is an important function to
 many VHFers and some of those running SO2R.
 Currently, PTT does work on CW, but it may or may not inhibit input
 from the paddles right now - I have not checked on the progress of
 this function with the recent firmware upgrades.
 
 It works properly now. At one point there was a bug that hitting the key
 enabled tx even when VOX was not on, but this was fixed.

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Re: [Elecraft] Mics for the K3

2007-12-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tom,

That's easy, just open the mic plug and re-wire it for the K3 pinout - 
or if you want to continue using it with Yaesu equipment, build a Yaesu 
to Elecraft adapter.


73,
Don W3FPR

THOMAS BRERETON wrote:

I've been reading the mail about mics for the K3. I am using a Yaesu MD-100 for 
my FT-897D (which I will be selling upon the arrival of my K3).  It's a very 
nice desk-top, simple mic with 8 pin configuration which of course does not 
match the K3 pin outs.
Is there anyone who can suggest how I can use this mic with the K3?
Tom, W0TOM

  

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RE: [Elecraft] Mics for the K3

2007-12-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Don, 

 That's easy, just open the mic plug and re-wire it for the K3 
 pinout - or if you want to continue using it with Yaesu equipment, 
 build a Yaesu to Elecraft adapter.

The FT-897D has a modular (RJ-45) mic jack.  This will require 
obtaining the cable for a Yaesu FT-1000MP (Foster/8) and then 
modifying the Foster cable.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
   


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:38 PM
 To: THOMAS BRERETON
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mics for the K3
 
 
 Tom,
 
 That's easy, just open the mic plug and re-wire it for the K3 
 pinout - 
 or if you want to continue using it with Yaesu equipment, 
 build a Yaesu 
 to Elecraft adapter.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 THOMAS BRERETON wrote:
  I've been reading the mail about mics for the K3. I am 
 using a Yaesu MD-100 for my FT-897D (which I will be selling 
 upon the arrival of my K3).  It's a very nice desk-top, 
 simple mic with 8 pin configuration which of course does not 
 match the K3 pin outs.
  Is there anyone who can suggest how I can use this mic with the K3?
  Tom, W0TOM
 



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[Elecraft] K2 - No power control on SSB

2007-12-17 Thread Ben.Russell
I have K2 ser# 5614. I am unable to change power on SSB, full power out. 
Works in CW and tune, same problem with or without ATU.

in TX:
U1-2 .5v
U5.5 .5v

U1, Q1 and Q2 have been replaced. Any idea where I should look next?

Ben NE5W 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - No power control on SSB

2007-12-17 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ben,

Look at the ALC components of the KSB2 adapter.

73,
Don W3FPR

Ben.Russell wrote:
I have K2 ser# 5614. I am unable to change power on SSB, full power 
out. Works in CW and tune, same problem with or without ATU.

in TX:
U1-2 .5v
U5.5 .5v

U1, Q1 and Q2 have been replaced. Any idea where I should look next?

Ben NE5W
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RE: [Elecraft] Mics for the K3

2007-12-17 Thread Bill NY9H


how about a computer network jack wired to a foster type plug 

bill



At 08:51 PM 12/17/2007, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Don,

 That's easy, just open the mic plug and re-wire it for the K3
 pinout - or if you want to continue using it with Yaesu equipment,
 build a Yaesu to Elecraft adapter.

The FT-897D has a modular (RJ-45) mic jack.  This will require
obtaining the cable for a Yaesu FT-1000MP (Foster/8) and then
modifying the Foster cable.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
 Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:38 PM
 To: THOMAS BRERETON
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mics for the K3


 Tom,

 That's easy, just open the mic plug and re-wire it for the K3
 pinout -
 or if you want to continue using it with Yaesu equipment,
 build a Yaesu
 to Elecraft adapter.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 THOMAS BRERETON wrote:
  I've been reading the mail about mics for the K3. I am
 using a Yaesu MD-100 for my FT-897D (which I will be selling
 upon the arrival of my K3).  It's a very nice desk-top,
 simple mic with 8 pin configuration which of course does not
 match the K3 pin outs.
  Is there anyone who can suggest how I can use this mic with the K3?
  Tom, W0TOM
 
 


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Fw: [Elecraft] KAT100 bad behavior

2007-12-17 Thread waltk8cv4612amos

What do we do when we are not using our equipment ?

WHY we unplug them from the power lines and we also remove any and all 
antennas don't WE !


Remember the word ... the word is EMP ! Keep to the WORD 
!


Walt K8CV Royal Oak, MI.


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT100 bad behavior



Fred,

There is no 'reboot' possible with the KAT100.

Either you have a really bad load on the KAT100 (like a short or open 
circuit), or the 1N5711 diodes have been zapped by a static surge of some 
type (like lightning).  Replacing the diodes usually cures that behavior.


73,
Don W3FPR

Fred Jensen wrote:


DIFFERENT SUBJECT:  My KAT100 seems to have lost it's tuning brains.  Is 
there something I can do to reboot it?  Feeding a dummy load, it rattles 
relays like mad, finally gives up at 9:1 SWR.


73,


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[Elecraft] K3: new picture?

2007-12-17 Thread Steve Jackson
The hi-res picture of the K3 on the web site is a 'shot' of the prototype 
version of the front panel.
Is there an updated picture available?






  

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] SN 174 arrived at 11:45z today

2007-12-17 Thread B. Scott Andersen

David,

Congratulations! I know you are a Macintosh user (and Cab-converter user!)
so I hope you'll also relate your experience with the MacLoggerDX
integration and the results from your first contest. I can't wait to work
you on the air with your new toy!

Take care. Enjoy the assembly process (and feel better!)
73!

-- Scott (NE1RD)



Mr Brown knew I was waiting for this, he paused to let me take a photo :)

Inventory tonight, but real bad cold, so need to feel better before assy.
--snip--
73 de M0XDF FISTS #12575 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 - No power control on SSB

2007-12-17 Thread Ben.Russell

Don,
Checked placement and values of all ALC components, replaced D1 and D2.
D1 anode 5.4v
D1 cathode 5v
D2 anode 5.3v
D2 cathode 4.9v
U2-5 .5v
U1-2 .52v
Q1 emitter .52v
Q1 base 1.16v
Q1 collector .5v
Q2 emitter 4.7v
Q2 base 5.3v
Q2 collector 7.2v

Thanks for the quick response,

Ben NE5W
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 - No power control on SSB



Ben,

Look at the ALC components of the KSB2 adapter.

73,
Don W3FPR



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[Elecraft] K3: new picture?

2007-12-17 Thread Don Rasmussen
http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Wiki_at_ZeroBeat.NET

Try this Steve - click on User Links from the
Contents box. 

There are so many really great photos, all very
recent...

[Elecraft] K3: new picture?
Steve Jackson kz1x at yahoo.com 
Mon Dec 17 23:43:37 EST 2007 


The hi-res picture of the K3 on the web site is a
'shot' of the prototype version of the front panel.
Is there an updated picture available?


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[Elecraft] Re: K3 and AM mode: using the DSP bandwidth controls

2007-12-17 Thread wayne burdick

Bill W5WVO wrote:

To clarify -- Will something equivalent to this mode be possible on 
the K3 IN AM MODE  -- i.e., without having to absorb the carrier 
energy, as when listening in USB/LSB mode? Can I shift the IF passband 
in AM mode and listen to just one sideband or the other?


Bill,

In AM mode, if you tap XFIL to select a 2.8 or 2.7 kHz filter, then 
SHIFT the passband down (counterclockwise), you'll be removing one 
sideband. The narrower crystal filter passband results in a loss of 
fidelity from the high-precision I-Q AM demodulator, but the signal 
will still be intelligible.


If you want to control which sideband you remove, you can always use 
LSB or USB. This provides excellent fidelity on AM signals, and you 
don't have to touch the VFO -- just changes modes.


73,
Wayne
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