Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Bob Cunnings
It finally dawned on me that the 6kHz filter could be put to work for
soundcard modes in both transmit and receive by enabling ESSB and
using USB or LSB instead of DATA A. Indeed, it works just fine with BW
set to 4kHz and shift adjusted to put center at 1800 or so. With DM
780 set to max width (3.9 kHz) the waterfall just about fills the
screen and there's almost 3.5 kHz bandwidth for transmit and receive.
This gives a wider field for casual point and click PSK31 operation -
nice for a simple setup like mine where there is no computer control
of the radio, and I want to keep the knob twirling on the rig to a
minimum (the interface consists only of 2 audio cables between laptop
and rig with VOX keying. TX EQ flat, AGC and compressor disabled of
course).

Bob NW8L

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Dave Quick - KØEKL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Still, it would be nice to be able to at least see the full 6 KHz. Sort of
> like a mini-panadaptor. Perhaps it's time to order and LP-Pan!
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[Elecraft] K3 configuration question

2008-09-19 Thread Michael van Hauten
Hello elecrafters,
i ordered a K3 with the additional KBPF3 module for general Coverage. Do i need 
the additional AM Filter for listening to AM radiostations? or ist this AM 
Filter only neccessary for AM TX?
Thanks for your configuration support.

Michael, DC0ZO 
K2# 5619
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RE: [Elecraft] heil pro-set

2008-09-19 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Current Heil production uses 200 Ohm transducers - or did the 
last time I checked.  Heil web site specifies 200 Ohm for all 
four versions (including the ProSet-iC,  a.k.a  ProSet-K2). 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 
 

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> 
> I wonder if anyone knows what the impedence is on the pro-set 
> headset for the K 3? 
> 
> Bill N8WS


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 USB TO SERIAL CABLE

2008-09-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I haven't had to face that one myself, yet (still running Xp here), but if I
were to go digging for another RS232 port for a notebook I'd look at an
RS232 PCMCIA card. 

Ron AC7AC

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I am using vista 64 on my laptop computer.
Can anyone suggest where I might get a usb-serial cable with drivers for
vista 64 Any Ideas welcome

73 Norm VK4FNWG
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RE: [Elecraft] Toroids frequency range and baluns

2008-09-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Jim wrote:

WRONG! There are three fundamental cases of ferrite "baluns" or chokes. 1) A

choke wound with coax  2) a choke wound with parallel wires (bifilar)  3) a 
transformer (voltage balun). 

-

You are absolutely right Jim. I read current balun and thought choke balun.
I missed the 4:1 comment. 

"Balun" is an unfortunate, all-inclusive and misleading term. One so-called
"balun" may be as different from another "balun" in its requirements and
application as a motorcycle is different from railroad locomotive. 

I stand by my statement when talking about a "choke balun" consisting of a
string of ferrite beads on some coax or a coaxial line on a coil form such
as I  described. The only losses caused by such a balun will be those of the
transmission line itself, which cannot be ignored if the SWR is high.

So-called "baluns" that transform impedances are, typically, transformers --
often transmission-line transformers. They're a whole different animal and
can be very unpredictable, especially when they use ferrite or powdered iron
cores and are exposed to a wide range of impedances.  

Ron AC7AC


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[Elecraft] heil pro-set

2008-09-19 Thread n8ws

I wonder if anyone knows what the impedence is on the pro-set headset for the
K 3? 

Bill N8WS
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[Elecraft] K2 QRP DXCC

2008-09-19 Thread David F. Reed
Well, I am sure I am not the first one, nor the only one, but today I 
worked the last station I needed to achieve DXCC QRP with my K2 serial 
number 4960 (almost 50% on SSB).
I have been using it on and off since summer of 2006 when WA2DKG built 
it for me (thanks Jerry!) providing me many hours of pleasure.


Most QSOs have been confirmed via eQSL, some by LotW.  No award until 
they are all in, but pretty good for this chunk of the solar cycle,  and 
further proof (as if any were needed) of the Elecraft mojo.


What next?  Maybe DXCC with my KX-1, or my K1, or K3?  I cam close to 
WAS with the KX-1, so that might be the next project.


Speak up out there; surely there are good stories of other awards and 
the same ones, from the rest of you and I would enjoy hearing about them.


73 de Dave, W5SV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 USB TO SERIAL CABLE

2008-09-19 Thread Jim Miller
i've not used this one but it claims vista64 compatibility.

http://www.usbgear.com/USBG-232MINI.html

it's based on the ftdi chip.

a quick browse of the ftdi driver page: 
http://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm

shows that they support vista64 so it's plausible.

73

jim ab3cv 

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[Elecraft] K3 USB TO SERIAL CABLE

2008-09-19 Thread Norm Greenaway
I am using vista 64 on my laptop computer.
Can anyone suggest where I might get a usb-serial cable with drivers for
vista 64
Any Ideas welcome

73 Norm VK4FNWG
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[Elecraft] elecraft MH2 mic

2008-09-19 Thread Norm Greenaway
Recently received my K3/100 s/n 1650.
But need help activating MH2 mic.
Have followed all the manual procedures but still
unable to turn bias on in mike.
any suggestions

73 VK4FNWG
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Re: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3

2008-09-19 Thread n4lq

Phil. Questions:
1. Why would one use a balun when both the antenna and coax are unbalanced? 
Wouldn't a unun be appropriate?
2. What are the swrs at the balun? The swr at the K3 doesn't tell us much 
since the length of the coax affects it greatly.

Steve Ellington N4LQ
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Subject: [Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3



Because of some earlier discussions here, I wanted to actually measure
losses in a 4:1 ferrite transformer.  I wanted this info as I have a
home-brew 43-foot vertical and these transformers are what seem to be
recommended for "matching" to this antenna.

I used a FT240-61 ferrite toroid which has a permeability of 125.  I chose
16-gauge speaker wire to experiment with.  This is because I want to
eventually use high voltage wire, and 16-gauge is the largest gauge
2-conductor high-voltage wire I could find (McMaster-Carr 9634T701 @
$2.65/foot).  I built a 4:1 unun, as I am feeding an unbalanced vertical
antenna.  And I decided to go with a voltage balun as this is a simpler
structure than a current balun or unun.

With a little experimentation, I was able to build a very good 1.8-30 MHz
4:1 unun.  This consists of 12-turns of the 16-gauge speaker wire on the
FT-240-61.  As the voltage balun is a little inductive causing degradation
at the higher frequencies, I tuned this out with a 33pf capacitor across 
the

50 ohm input.  This gave me a transformer with 1.2:1 SWR at 1.8 MHz, but
less than 1.1:1 from 3.5-30 MHz.  In order to measure loss, I built a 
second

identical transformer and connected these back-to-back.  I measured
insertion loss with both an Array Solutions PowerMaster, and a Tektronix
TDS-2200 digital oscilloscope.  I made all measurements with 20 watts of 
RF

power on my workbench.  Bottom line:  Loss through both transformers was
less than ½-watt (20 watts forward power) from 1.8-30 MHz.  This is just a
little over 1% of loss in each transformer.  Even if my measurements are 
off

by a factor of two, this is still pretty much insignificant loss.

Next I installed one of these transformers at the base of my 43-foot
vertical.  My radial system isn't the best in the world because of the 
space
I'm restricted to.  I have about a dozen random-length radials with 
lengths

up to about 50-feet.  My transmission line is 60-feet of Andrew ½-inch
Heliax that transitions to a 3-foot section of LMR-400 inside my house 
going

to the K3.  My Array Solutions PowerMaster is located immediately at the
output of the K3.  The SWR measured with the PowerMaster was as follows:

160:  4.9:1
80:  6.3:1
60:  3.3:1
40:  3.2:1
30:  3.2:1
20:  3:1
17:  2.1:1
15:  1.9:1
12:  1.4:1
10:  2.2:1

Obviously, these mismatches are easily handled by the internal K3
auto-tuner.  And line loss is minimal because the mismatch isn't very 
high,

and the transmission line is very low loss.

The 16-gauge speaker wire on the FT240-61 core seems to be working fine 
even
with 600 watts out of my ALS-600 amplifier.  However, I do have some of 
that

expensive McMaster-Carr high-voltage wire on order.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share these measurements with the group.

Phil - AD5X

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[Elecraft] Any K3 Owners in Tucson?

2008-09-19 Thread Lyle Johnson

I'll be in Tucson October 21st through October 28th visiting family.

Please contact me off list if you'd like to get together.  Maybe we can 
arrange something...


73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] Service

2008-09-19 Thread k5nu
Fellow Crafters,

Due to a problem I had with the R91 mod during my KRX3 install, it was 
recommended that I return my K3 for repair.  I sent it in recently, and today 
received a call from Rene and discussed my repair.   The K3 is now on it's way 
home.  I want to let Elecraft, Rene, and everyone on the list know that I 
reallyappreciate the care and consideration shown.  Clearly the ingredient that 
sets this company and this radio apart from the rest.  Just my 2 cents worth.  

73,   Mike K5NU
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RE: [Elecraft] Re: Ferrite, toroids and the KX1

2008-09-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Antenna guru I'm not, but this antenna grasshopper has a little information
that may help. 

The "loading coil" is used to compensate for reactance in the antenna. A
grounded, end-fed < 1/4 long will present capacitive reactance. You simply
need enough inductance to bring it to resonance. Normally, the ATU will
provide that unless, as you noted, it can't provide enough.

The only purpose for achieving "resonance" is for efficient power transfer.
For an AC circuit (RF is just high-frequency AC) to transfer power
efficiently, the current and voltage must be in phase: maximum voltage and
maximum current must occur at the same time. That won't happen if reactance
is present. 

So the first step is to achieve resonance. That leaves only the resistive
part of the impedance presented to the rig. That's the part that consumes
the power. Part of it is real "resistance" - the resistance of the
conductors in the antenna. The rest is "radiation resistance" - the part
that becomes electromagnetic (radio) waves. 

The value of that resistive component varies widely. At the center of a half
wave (dipole) radiator, it's  about 75 ohms in "free space". At the real
heights above earth us Hams are usually forced to use it's usually closer to
50 ohms. Either value is an excellent match to the popular 50-ohm coaxial
lines. 

A "Marconi" antenna (grounded 1/4 wave radiator) will show half that value
or about 37 ohms. But, as you make the radiator shorter than 1/4 wave, the
resistive value plummets. At 1/8 wave the value drops to about 7 ohms. Your
21 foot antenna will be about 1/12 wavelength long on 80 meters. Its
resistive impedance will be about 3 ohms. 

Your ATU will need to provide an impedance transformation that matches the
roughly 3 ohms to 50 ohms. You'll get a 1:1 match if it can do that. 

Adding or removing turns from the loading coil won't affect that resistive
value (other than to change the added conductor resistance), but it can
reduce the amount of inductance the ATU must provide to resonate the system,
and that may allow it to find a match. 

The fact that the resistive part of the impedance drops so quickly to very
low values is why short antennas are inefficient at best. The conductor
resistance of the coils and antenna quickly become equal to or larger than
the radiation resistance. Since the RF current flows only along the very
surface of a conductor, its RF resistance is much, much higher than its d-c
resistance. It's not unusual for a short, loaded Marconi antenna (such as a
mobile whip with loading coil) to burn, literally, most of the RF power
applied in the conductor resistance. 

If we ever get really cheap room-temperature superconductors, we'll be able
to put up a really efficient short whip antenna on the low bands. Until then
we groan and live with it, getting all the physical length we can to raise
the radiation resistance and cut our losses. 

Ron AC7AC 

 

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Subject: [Elecraft] Re: Ferrite, toroids and the KX1


Just to confuse the subject... ;^}

I am running a KX1 with an antenna lenght of 21' and a 'ground' length of
21'. The KXAT can match these to < 1.2:1 on 40/30/20 with little effort.

I'm taking the approach of trying to use a ferrite toroid based inductive
load in 
series with the antennna wire.

By trail and error, I have constructed a F50 toroid (mix unknown but the
whole 
toroid is plain black) that measures out at  40uH and ~800X at 3.55 Mhz
using 
an MFJ-269 Pro

This weekend I intend to try inserting this between the KX1 BNC socket and
the 
antenna wire and, if I have the time, in the middle, to see if the KXAT can
give 
me a match...
I don't think end loading will be practical...

Any input from the antenna guru's out there would be welcomed...

Dave KK7SS
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Dave Quick - KØEKL
Quite true and when in qso I do try to center the desired signal in the
passband and when the qrm is bad the K3 absolutely shines! It's so much fun
to turn that knob, narrow the passband to a sliver of spectrum and see and
hear every other signal disappear. 

Still, it would be nice to be able to at least see the full 6 KHz. Sort of
like a mini-panadaptor. Perhaps it's time to order and LP-Pan!



-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:36 PM
To: Dave Quick - KØEKL
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

Dave,

OTOH, best results with AFSK is to use a narrow receive filter.  It keeps
strong undesired signals out of the passband.
Strong undesired signals in the passband cause a reduction of receiver gain
because the AGC reacts to them.
Sure, the computer can handle and display them, but if the receiver gain is
reduced because of a strong signal that just came on, your chances of
maintaining solid print is reduced.

Do as you choose, but I prefer to tune my data mode signals just like any
other - with the VFO knob, and use a narrow filter to get rid of the 'other
trash' on the band.

73,
Don W3FPR


Dave Quick - KØEKL wrote:
> I'd like to be able to transmit in Data-A mode through my 6 Khz AM filter.
> Being able to see ~6 Khz of spectrum in the waterfall window would be
great.
>
> -Dave Quick KØEKL
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, 
> W4TV
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:55 AM
> To: 'zibs'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan
>
>
>   
>> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to
>> 4 kHz using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 
>> or above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.
>> 
>
> Perhaps all of the data modes should be limited to 2.8 KHz of DSP 
> bandwidth (or even 2 KHz).  That's more than enough for any reasonable 
> amateur data mode and will keep users from shooting themselves in the
foot.
>
>
>
>   
>   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Kok Chen


On Sep 19, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Bob Cunnings wrote:

Yes transmit is restricted - to the 2.7 (or 2.8) kHz filter. Hence the
request to allow transmit using the 6 KHz filter, at least to same
extent as receive (up to 4KHz currently).


We all agree that you can receive in a wide passband (even as wide as  
the 192 kHz that an LP-PAN provides).


For transmit, as long as the emission passband is not too wide to fit  
the rig's transmit passband, modify the software to note the receive  
offset that you have clicked in the waterfall and use CAT to apply the  
offset as XIT (or switch between A/B VFO) when transmitting.


I.e., you can send an absolutely fixed AFSK tone (tones, in the case  
of FSK) from software and move the transmitted signal around in the  
RF spectrum by using XIT (or A/B VFO).  It should be a very simple  
change to whatever software that you are using (if you have the  
sources to the program, that is), as long as the program has access to  
the rig's CAT.


The advantage of doing it this way is that it has no dependency at all  
on how flat the rig's transmit audio passband is, since you are  
transmitting with the same fixed tone no matter where in the waterfall  
you have clicked.


You can also use the built in FSK/PSK generators in modern rigs to  
modulate your rig.  As long as you know what the tone/tone-pair it  
uses is, you can apply XIT to move it to where the received signal is  
in the waterfall.


73
Chen, W7AY

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Bob Cunnings
Yes transmit is restricted - to the 2.7 (or 2.8) kHz filter. Hence the
request to allow transmit using the 6 KHz filter, at least to same
extent as receive (up to 4KHz currently).

Bob NW8L

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Receive should work, but transmit will not - I believe it is restricted in
> the firmware.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Bob Cunnings wrote:
>>
>> Yes, many of us know all this, but it's still nice, under benign
>> conditions, to operate using a wider waterfall for both transmit and
>> receive. I often operated PSK on my Orion using the 6kHz filter, it's
>> fun to see pretty much all the PSK activity on the band at once -
>> context, right? When I've opened up the BW like this I always disable
>> AGC anyway. When the going gets tough, I narrow the BW.
>>
>> Since I paid for the 6kHz filter, I'd like to use it on DATA A if I
>> choose, since there is no technical limitation in the K3 preventing it
>> AFAIK.
>>
>> Bob NW8L
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> OTOH, best results with AFSK is to use a narrow receive filter.  It keeps
>>> strong undesired signals out of the passband.
>>> Strong undesired signals in the passband cause a reduction of receiver
>>> gain
>>> because the AGC reacts to them.
>>> Sure, the computer can handle and display them, but if the receiver gain
>>> is
>>> reduced because of a strong signal that just came on, your chances of
>>> maintaining solid print is reduced.
>>>
>>> Do as you choose, but I prefer to tune my data mode signals just like any
>>> other - with the VFO knob, and use a narrow filter to get rid of the
>>> 'other
>>> trash' on the band.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Quick - KØEKL wrote:
>>>

 I'd like to be able to transmit in Data-A mode through my 6 Khz AM
 filter.
 Being able to see ~6 Khz of spectrum in the waterfall window would be
 great.

>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bob,

Receive should work, but transmit will not - I believe it is restricted 
in the firmware.


73,
Don W3FPR

Bob Cunnings wrote:

Yes, many of us know all this, but it's still nice, under benign
conditions, to operate using a wider waterfall for both transmit and
receive. I often operated PSK on my Orion using the 6kHz filter, it's
fun to see pretty much all the PSK activity on the band at once -
context, right? When I've opened up the BW like this I always disable
AGC anyway. When the going gets tough, I narrow the BW.

Since I paid for the 6kHz filter, I'd like to use it on DATA A if I
choose, since there is no technical limitation in the K3 preventing it
AFAIK.

Bob NW8L

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Dave,

OTOH, best results with AFSK is to use a narrow receive filter.  It keeps
strong undesired signals out of the passband.
Strong undesired signals in the passband cause a reduction of receiver gain
because the AGC reacts to them.
Sure, the computer can handle and display them, but if the receiver gain is
reduced because of a strong signal that just came on, your chances of
maintaining solid print is reduced.

Do as you choose, but I prefer to tune my data mode signals just like any
other - with the VFO knob, and use a narrow filter to get rid of the 'other
trash' on the band.

73,
Don W3FPR


Dave Quick - KØEKL wrote:


I'd like to be able to transmit in Data-A mode through my 6 Khz AM filter.
Being able to see ~6 Khz of spectrum in the waterfall window would be
great.
  



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[Elecraft] Re: Ferrite, toroids and the KX1

2008-09-19 Thread kk7ss
Just to confuse the subject... ;^}

I am running a KX1 with an antenna lenght of 21' and a 'ground' length of 21'.
The KXAT can match these to < 1.2:1 on 40/30/20 with little effort.

I'm taking the approach of trying to use a ferrite toroid based inductive load 
in 
series with the antennna wire.

By trail and error, I have constructed a F50 toroid (mix unknown but the whole 
toroid is plain black) that measures out at  40uH and ~800X at 3.55 Mhz using 
an MFJ-269 Pro

This weekend I intend to try inserting this between the KX1 BNC socket and the 
antenna wire and, if I have the time, in the middle, to see if the KXAT can 
give 
me a match...
I don't think end loading will be practical...

Any input from the antenna guru's out there would be welcomed...

Dave KK7SS
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RE: [Elecraft] Toroids frequency range and baluns

2008-09-19 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:21:44 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

>The balun doesn't have any effect on the efficiency of the antenna unless it
>involves lots of coax at high SWR such as the big coil of coax some Hams use
>for a "choke balun". (They're FB as long as the SWR is low but, like any
>coax, the losses go up with the SWR.) 

WRONG! There are three fundamental cases of ferrite "baluns" or chokes. 1) A 
choke wound with coax  2) a choke wound with parallel wires (bifilar)  3) a 
transformer (voltage balun). 

Case #1: Coax contains 100% of the differential power (transmitter feeding 
antenna) within the dielectric. The ferrite core of a COAX CHOKE sees ONLY 
the common mode voltage and current. If the impedance of the choke is high 
enough, the current is very small, so the dissipation in the choke is very 
small. 

Case #2: A choke with a bifilar winding (that is, two parallel wires, NOT 
coax) puts a significant fraction of the transmitted power in the core. This 
is "leakage" flux from the bifilar winding (really a short length of parallel 
wire transmission line). This leakage flux is typically 30% of the 
transmitted power, and is NOT related to common mode current. 

Case #3: A VOLTAGE balun is VERY different -- it puts 100% of the transmitted 
power in the ferrite. 

All of this is discussed in the tutorials, previously referenced. BTW -- 
earlier work and publications by W7EL, W2DU, and W1JR are all very good, but 
they were done 30 years ago. My work builds on theirs, and is considerably 
more advanced. Also, the #31 material that is so useful for HF chokes was 
developed only a few years ago. 

73,

Jim K9YC





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[Elecraft] Ferrite transformer losses, 43-foot vertical and the K3

2008-09-19 Thread Phil & Debbie Salas
Because of some earlier discussions here, I wanted to actually measure 
losses in a 4:1 ferrite transformer.  I wanted this info as I have a 
home-brew 43-foot vertical and these transformers are what seem to be 
recommended for "matching" to this antenna.


I used a FT240-61 ferrite toroid which has a permeability of 125.  I chose 
16-gauge speaker wire to experiment with.  This is because I want to 
eventually use high voltage wire, and 16-gauge is the largest gauge 
2-conductor high-voltage wire I could find (McMaster-Carr 9634T701 @ 
$2.65/foot).  I built a 4:1 unun, as I am feeding an unbalanced vertical 
antenna.  And I decided to go with a voltage balun as this is a simpler 
structure than a current balun or unun.


With a little experimentation, I was able to build a very good 1.8-30 MHz 
4:1 unun.  This consists of 12-turns of the 16-gauge speaker wire on the 
FT-240-61.  As the voltage balun is a little inductive causing degradation 
at the higher frequencies, I tuned this out with a 33pf capacitor across the 
50 ohm input.  This gave me a transformer with 1.2:1 SWR at 1.8 MHz, but 
less than 1.1:1 from 3.5-30 MHz.  In order to measure loss, I built a second 
identical transformer and connected these back-to-back.  I measured 
insertion loss with both an Array Solutions PowerMaster, and a Tektronix 
TDS-2200 digital oscilloscope.  I made all measurements with 20 watts of RF 
power on my workbench.  Bottom line:  Loss through both transformers was 
less than ½-watt (20 watts forward power) from 1.8-30 MHz.  This is just a 
little over 1% of loss in each transformer.  Even if my measurements are off 
by a factor of two, this is still pretty much insignificant loss.


Next I installed one of these transformers at the base of my 43-foot 
vertical.  My radial system isn't the best in the world because of the space 
I'm restricted to.  I have about a dozen random-length radials with lengths 
up to about 50-feet.  My transmission line is 60-feet of Andrew ½-inch 
Heliax that transitions to a 3-foot section of LMR-400 inside my house going 
to the K3.  My Array Solutions PowerMaster is located immediately at the 
output of the K3.  The SWR measured with the PowerMaster was as follows:


160:  4.9:1
80:  6.3:1
60:  3.3:1
40:  3.2:1
30:  3.2:1
20:  3:1
17:  2.1:1
15:  1.9:1
12:  1.4:1
10:  2.2:1

Obviously, these mismatches are easily handled by the internal K3 
auto-tuner.  And line loss is minimal because the mismatch isn't very high, 
and the transmission line is very low loss.


The 16-gauge speaker wire on the FT240-61 core seems to be working fine even 
with 600 watts out of my ALS-600 amplifier.  However, I do have some of that 
expensive McMaster-Carr high-voltage wire on order.


Anyway, I just thought I'd share these measurements with the group.

Phil - AD5X 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Bob Cunnings
Yes, many of us know all this, but it's still nice, under benign
conditions, to operate using a wider waterfall for both transmit and
receive. I often operated PSK on my Orion using the 6kHz filter, it's
fun to see pretty much all the PSK activity on the band at once -
context, right? When I've opened up the BW like this I always disable
AGC anyway. When the going gets tough, I narrow the BW.

Since I paid for the 6kHz filter, I'd like to use it on DATA A if I
choose, since there is no technical limitation in the K3 preventing it
AFAIK.

Bob NW8L

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> OTOH, best results with AFSK is to use a narrow receive filter.  It keeps
> strong undesired signals out of the passband.
> Strong undesired signals in the passband cause a reduction of receiver gain
> because the AGC reacts to them.
> Sure, the computer can handle and display them, but if the receiver gain is
> reduced because of a strong signal that just came on, your chances of
> maintaining solid print is reduced.
>
> Do as you choose, but I prefer to tune my data mode signals just like any
> other - with the VFO knob, and use a narrow filter to get rid of the 'other
> trash' on the band.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> Dave Quick - KØEKL wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to be able to transmit in Data-A mode through my 6 Khz AM filter.
>> Being able to see ~6 Khz of spectrum in the waterfall window would be
>> great.
>>
>> -Dave Quick KØEKL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV
>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 11:55 AM
>> To: 'zibs'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to
>>> 4 kHz using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 or
>>> above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps all of the data modes should be limited to 2.8 KHz of DSP
>> bandwidth
>> (or even 2 KHz).  That's more than enough for any reasonable amateur data
>> mode and will keep users from shooting themselves in the foot.
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - s/n 1591 - TCXO module question

2008-09-19 Thread Luc Favre
Hello,
I had the same problem and solved it without trimming the leads. The module
dont't rest against the socket but sits above it. No trouble till now...
just a week !
Is there a builder alert on this subject ?
73
Luc/F6HJO
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 3:53 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - s/n 1591 - TCXO module question


>
> Hello everyone.
>
> Things are going really well with the build of s/n 1591 (I had the power
> on tonight for the initial power-up test - so exciting!!!) but tonight
> when I went to put the TCXO module on the KREF board, I discovered that
> the leads on the module are too long to allow its bottom to "rest
> against the socket" as described on p.46 of the assembly manual. Is this
> a problem? Do I need to trim the leads?
> FYI the leads are 1/4" long and a gap of 1/16" is left between the
> bottom of the TCXO module and its socket when it is fully engaged.
>
> BTW for those of you keeping track of delivery times:
>
> K3 kit ordered May 9
> Katiegram August 27
> Delivery on Sept. 5
>
> I really appreciated receiving this info. when I was awaiting my K3 - my
> thanks to everyone who shared this info. on the reflector!
>
> Thanks for looking & 73
>
> Ann T.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Dave,

OTOH, best results with AFSK is to use a narrow receive filter.  It 
keeps strong undesired signals out of the passband.
Strong undesired signals in the passband cause a reduction of receiver 
gain because the AGC reacts to them.
Sure, the computer can handle and display them, but if the receiver gain 
is reduced because of a strong signal that just came on, your chances of 
maintaining solid print is reduced.


Do as you choose, but I prefer to tune my data mode signals just like 
any other - with the VFO knob, and use a narrow filter to get rid of the 
'other trash' on the band.


73,
Don W3FPR


Dave Quick - KØEKL wrote:

I'd like to be able to transmit in Data-A mode through my 6 Khz AM filter.
Being able to see ~6 Khz of spectrum in the waterfall window would be great.

-Dave Quick KØEKL




-Original Message-
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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan


  

But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to
4 kHz using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 
or above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.



Perhaps all of the data modes should be limited to 2.8 KHz of DSP bandwidth
(or even 2 KHz).  That's more than enough for any reasonable amateur data
mode and will keep users from shooting themselves in the foot. 




  
  

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Dave Quick - KØEKL
I'd like to be able to transmit in Data-A mode through my 6 Khz AM filter.
Being able to see ~6 Khz of spectrum in the waterfall window would be great.

-Dave Quick KØEKL




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> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to
> 4 kHz using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 
> or above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.

Perhaps all of the data modes should be limited to 2.8 KHz of DSP bandwidth
(or even 2 KHz).  That's more than enough for any reasonable amateur data
mode and will keep users from shooting themselves in the foot. 



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of zibs
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan
> 
> 
> 
> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 4 kHz 
> using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 or 
> above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.
> 
> The user needs to be aware when clicking on the waterfall as one can 
> receive signals on frequencies in which they cannot transmit.
> 
> Steve N9SZ
> 
> 
> 
> Lyle Johnson wrote:
> > 
> >  > Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that
> it seems
> > to be  > > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...
> > 
> > I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack
> for sourcing
> > the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz 
> > using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.
> > 
> > Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth. 
> > TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For
> DATA A or
> > DATA AFSK, it should be flat.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Lyle KK7P
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] Toroids frequency range and baluns

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Bob,

To further add to the confusion, I will throw in my 2 cents worth too.  
Let me say that a balun wound on a powdered iron core is highly 
dependent on the inductance.  The inductive reactance should be at least 
5 times the feedline impedance at the balun's antenna side for it to be 
effective, so how well it works depends on the antenna too.  Also as the 
frequency gets higher, the resistive loss through the balun becomes more 
significant and the interwinding capacitance becomes important.


For all those reasons (and a few more too), it is common to use a 
ferrite core rather than a powdered iron core for a balun.  The 
inductance per turn is much higher, so fewer turns are needed to satisfy 
the inductance requirement at the low frequency end of the scale and the 
wire resistance  and winding capacitance is less at the high frequency end.


The core for a balun can be lossy at the frequency of use.  You can 
think of a current balun as a transmission line inside a choke (the 
coil-of-coax type baluns are a perfect example).  The differential 
signal travels on the transmission line (inside the coax) while the 
common mode signal on the outside of the coax (the one you want to 
suppress) encounters the choke impedance.  The advantage of a ferrite 
core is that the transmission line length is shorter than a balun built 
with a powdered iron core - fewer turns = lower resistance, lower 
capacitance.


I know that did not answer your question directly, but it all depends on 
the inductance of your balun, the antenna side actual feed impedance, 
the wire resistance, and the capacitance across the transmission line 
inside that balun.  I don't have enough data to provide a definite answer.


73,
Don W3FPR

Solosko, Robert B (Bob) wrote:

Hello All,

There have been several e-mail threads recently about ferrite
cores and about baluns and transmission line loss with high SWR. Related
to this is a question that I haven't seen addressed anywhere - toroids
all have a specified frequency range but what happens when they're used
outside of that range?

To be more specific, I have a multiband fan dipole fed with
ladder line into a 4:1 current balun that then connects to my rig
through about 5 feet of RG-8. I made the balun using a pair of T200-2
powder iron cores, which have a specified frequency range of 0.25 to 10
MHz. Since I'm using this single antenna from 160m to 10m, I'm way
beyond the specified frequency range of the cores - is the balun likely
to be very inefficient above it 10MHz? The antenna seems to work very
well on 40m and 20m and OK on 15m. Since the band conditions haven't
been particularly good in the last few years that I've been using this
antenna, I can't tell whether my lack of many QSOs on 15m and above is
due to inefficiencies in the balun or to band conditions? What do you
think?

Bob W1SRB
  


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 [DISPLAY] Button

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ron,

Upon re-reading your post, the voltage you measured at U3 pin 7 is about 
what would be expected with a 13.5 volt power source.
Did you measure the U6 pin 5 voltage on the lead of the chip or at the 
socket.  If you measured at the socket, try at the chip lead because you 
may have a pin bent under the firmware chip or a bad socket connection.  
If you measure 2.633 (or 2.699) voltas on the actual microprocessor pin, 
I believe you may have a bad input on that microprocessor - all the 
display calculations are done in the firmware.


73,
Don W3FPR

Ron McCurdy wrote:

I'm building a K2.  The [DISPLAY] button shows a voltage of less than 2
volts and it is erratic and, the current is shown as 0.00.  I have checked
the voltages at U3 and they are 2.633 at pin 5, 6, & 7, and 13.75 at pins 2
& 3.  Pin 1 is .571.  I measured the voltage at Vsense on the MCU pin 5 and
it was 2.669.  Where could I be losing the signal to the lcd??

 


Ron, KE5QDA

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RE: [Elecraft] Toroids frequency range and baluns

2008-09-19 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Bob W1SRB writes:

>There have been several e-mail threads recently about ferrite
cores and about baluns and transmission line loss with high SWR. Related to
this is a question that I haven't seen addressed anywhere - toroids all have
a specified frequency range but what happens when they're used outside of
that range?

>   To be more specific, I have a multiband fan dipole fed with
ladder line into a 4:1 current balun that then connects to my rig through
about 5 feet of RG-8. I made the balun using a pair of T200-2 powder iron
cores, which have a specified frequency range of 0.25 to 10 MHz. Since I'm
using this single antenna from 160m to 10m, I'm way beyond the specified
frequency range of the cores - is the balun likely to be very inefficient
above it 10MHz? The antenna seems to work very well on 40m and 20m and OK on
15m. Since the band conditions haven't been particularly good in the last
few years that I've been using this antenna, I can't tell whether my lack of
many QSOs on 15m and above is due to inefficiencies in the balun or to band
conditions? What do you think?



The balun doesn't have any effect on the efficiency of the antenna unless it
involves lots of coax at high SWR such as the big coil of coax some Hams use
for a "choke balun". (They're FB as long as the SWR is low but, like any
coax, the losses go up with the SWR.) 

The only function of the balun in your setup is to manage the flow of RF
current to keep it off of the *outside* of the coax and your rig. That's
only a concern if the voltages are sufficient to cause your rig to be "hot"
with RF so that touching the rig changes the antenna tuning or you get RF
feedback in to the rig through the mic or you have other operational issues.


As long as you don't have those issues, you don't need a balun at all.

To more directly answer your question, the balun you have probably works as
well at 30 MHz as it does at 1.8 MHz. The T200-2 cores will show a high
impedance to the RF currents across the HF range. That's all you need. 
 

Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 [DISPLAY] Button

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Ron,

Do you have the Control Board P7 jumpered between pins 2 and 3 (marked INT)?
If so, what is the voltage at P7 pin 3?  How about pin 2? - both should 
be about 0.3 volts below your supply voltage.  What is your supply 
voltage when the K2 is powered on?  (Measure at the anode of RF Board 
D10).  What is the voltage at the cathode of D13?
What is the voltage at each end of R9 - one end should be the same as 
the cathode of D13 and the other end should be very close to 20% of the 
voltage at the cathode of D13.  Control Board U3 pins 5, 6, and 7 should 
also have the same voltage.
If any of these measurements are incorrect, look for the soldering 
problem - connection not adequately soldered or a solder bridge.  Also 
check to be certain R9 and R10 are the correct values.


73,
Don W3FPR

Ron McCurdy wrote:

I'm building a K2.  The [DISPLAY] button shows a voltage of less than 2
volts and it is erratic and, the current is shown as 0.00.  I have checked
the voltages at U3 and they are 2.633 at pin 5, 6, & 7, and 13.75 at pins 2
& 3.  Pin 1 is .571.  I measured the voltage at Vsense on the MCU pin 5 and
it was 2.669.  Where could I be losing the signal to the lcd??

  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Richard Ferch
Users of narrow-band digital modes such as PSK31 need to remember the
difference between transmit and receive in the way we perceive dynamic
range.

On transmit, a 10 dB difference is a factor of 10 in power. If your power
meter only goes up to 5W when you were expecting 50W, you will likely
perceive this as a serious issue. Even a 3 dB difference shows up as a
factor of 2 in transmitted power.

On receive, a difference of 10 dB is only a couple of S-units and well
within normal signal variability on HF. Looking at a normal waterfall, a 10
dB variation across the receive bandpass is barely noticeable as a slight
change in colour or intensity of the background noise.

Even within the transmit filter bandpass, relatively small variations in
response will be more easily detectable on TX than RX. K8ZOA's plot of the
2.7 kHz filter response shows a ripple of around 2 dB, which is probably
next to undetectable on RX, but is easily noticeable on TX as a change in
transmitted power.

With wide DSP bandwidth settings, the K3 can receive signals at frequencies
where the transmitted power level through the transmit filter would be very
low.

The simplest way to avoid this problem is not to use DSP width settings that
are wider than the transmit filter bandwidth. That way you won't receive
normal signals at frequencies where your transmitted power would be at QRPp
levels. You should also avoid using the shoulders of the filter response,
i.e. the last 200 Hz or so at either edge of the 2.7 kHz filter bandwidth.

Alternatively, you can use a wide DSP bandwidth for scanning the band, but
once you find a signal you want to work, move your dial so that the desired
signal falls within the optimum range.

Many PSK31 programs have an "align" or "optimize" macro capability, which
allows you to center a signal in the waterfall with a single mouse click. It
does so by retuning the radio so the chosen signal ends up on the designated
frequency (e.g. 1500 Hz). Unfortunately, AFAIK DigiPan does not have this
capability.

On a related point, in order to suppress audio harmonics I also like to try
to avoid transmitting digital modes on low audio frequencies. This is not a
significant problem on voice modes, but audio harmonics on PSK31 show up on
the air as spurious transmitted signals. Using a wide filter on transmit
could make it harder to avoid transmitting harmonics of your audio signal,
so personally I would not want to use wideband TX in DATA A.

73,
Rich VE3KI


Steve N9SZ wrote:
> 
> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 4 kHz using
the
> 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 or above 2800 Hz,
power
> output will drop to zero.
> 
> The user needs to be aware when clicking on the waterfall as one can
receive
> signals on frequencies in which they cannot transmit.
> 
> Steve N9SZ
> 
> 
> 
> Lyle Johnson wrote:
> > 
>  > > Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to
be
>  > > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...
> > 
> > I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack for sourcing
> > the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz
> > using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.
> > 
> > Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth.
> > TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For DATA A or
> > DATA AFSK, it should be flat.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Lyle KK7P
> > 
> > 

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 
> 4 kHz using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit 
> below 200 or above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.

Perhaps all of the data modes should be limited to 2.8 KHz 
of DSP bandwidth (or even 2 KHz).  That's more than enough 
for any reasonable amateur data mode and will keep users from 
shooting themselves in the foot. 



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of zibs
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 10:28 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan
> 
> 
> 
> But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 4 
> kHz using the 2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit 
> below 200 or above 2800 Hz, power output will drop to zero.
> 
> The user needs to be aware when clicking on the waterfall as 
> one can receive signals on frequencies in which they cannot 
> transmit.
> 
> Steve N9SZ
> 
> 
> 
> Lyle Johnson wrote:
> > 
> >  > Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that 
> it seems 
> > to be  > > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...
> > 
> > I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack 
> for sourcing 
> > the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz 
> > using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.
> > 
> > Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth. 
> > TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For 
> DATA A or 
> > DATA AFSK, it should be flat.
> > 
> > 73,
> > 
> > Lyle KK7P
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi Brett,

I believe so.

73, Eric


Brett Howard wrote:

>From what I understand this feature is supposed to allow one to put
his two VFO's in different bands even without the KRX3 as well..
  

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[Elecraft] K2 [DISPLAY] Button

2008-09-19 Thread Ron McCurdy
I'm building a K2.  The [DISPLAY] button shows a voltage of less than 2
volts and it is erratic and, the current is shown as 0.00.  I have checked
the voltages at U3 and they are 2.633 at pin 5, 6, & 7, and 13.75 at pins 2
& 3.  Pin 1 is .571.  I measured the voltage at Vsense on the MCU pin 5 and
it was 2.669.  Where could I be losing the signal to the lcd??

 

Ron, KE5QDA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Steve,

I would think that most users are aware that they are transmitting 
through the 2.7 kHz (or 2.8) filter - after all, they set it up that way 
in the menu (and if they did not, they would get a TX FL error message).
So I should think that they would not expect to transmit an audio tone 
outside the bounds of that filter.
If the user has configured a wider filter for receive than for transmit, 
the "problem" you state should be fairly obvious.
The signal outside the 2.7 kHz bandpass will be significantly weaker 
than if it were inside the passband.  The soundcard may still be able to 
decode it, but I see nothing that really needs any kind of alert in the 
manual, it is simply a natural consequence of 'how things work'.


73,
Don W3FPR

zibs wrote:

But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 4 kHz using the
2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 or above 2800 Hz, power
output will drop to zero.

The user needs to be aware when clicking on the waterfall as one can receive
signals on frequencies in which they cannot transmit.

Steve N9SZ



Lyle Johnson wrote:
  

 > Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
 > > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...

I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack for sourcing
the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz
using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.

Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth.
TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For DATA A or
DATA AFSK, it should be flat.




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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread Brett Howard
>From what I understand this feature is supposed to allow one to put
his two VFO's in different bands even without the KRX3 as well...  Am
I mistaken here?

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're actually working on the firmware for this now. :-)
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> 73,
>
> Eric  WA6HHQ
> _..._
> -Original Message-
> From: Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, Sep 19, 2008 4:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem
>
> Yes, this fairly major feature of the K3 is missing.
>
> No timescale for it's implementation been given.
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:13 +0900, a.yoshida wrote:
>> Just finished assembling my KRX3.
>> Everything seems to work as advertized except "VFO IND "
> setting.
>>
>> When I turn VFO A to set "YES" I see "UNAVAIL" in VFO B
>> I am reffering "Installation and Operation manual Rev B August
> 20, 2008".
>> Am I missing something ???
>> 73
>> aki  ja1nlx
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[Elecraft] Toroids frequency range and baluns

2008-09-19 Thread Wes Stewart
Bob W1SRB writes:

>There have been several e-mail threads recently about ferrite
cores and about baluns and transmission line loss with high SWR. Related
to this is a question that I haven't seen addressed anywhere - toroids
all have a specified frequency range but what happens when they're used
outside of that range?

>   To be more specific, I have a multiband fan dipole fed with
ladder line into a 4:1 current balun that then connects to my rig
through about 5 feet of RG-8. I made the balun using a pair of T200-2
powder iron cores, which have a specified frequency range of 0.25 to 10
MHz. Since I'm using this single antenna from 160m to 10m, I'm way
beyond the specified frequency range of the cores - is the balun likely
to be very inefficient above it 10MHz? The antenna seems to work very
well on 40m and 20m and OK on 15m. Since the band conditions haven't
been particularly good in the last few years that I've been using this
antenna, I can't tell whether my lack of many QSOs on 15m and above is
due to inefficiencies in the balun or to band conditions? What do you
think?


Bob, you are mixing apples and oranges.  Current (choke) baluns (that use 
cores) are almost always built using ferrite cores, not powered iron.  If you 
wanted to tune one to parallel resonance at some particular frequency, you 
might use iron, otherwise, you want ferrite that provides a high impedance to 
common-mode currents over a broad frequency range.   A resistive component in 
this impedance is not a bad thing.


Roy, W7EL, has a good description of balun operation here:

http://www.eznec.com/Amateur/Articles/Baluns.pdf

Wes N7WS


  
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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread Stewart Baker
That's great news Eric, can't wait...

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On 19 Sep 2008 08:31:00 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
wrote:
> We're actually working on the firmware for this now. :-)
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> 73,
>
> Eric  WA6HHQ
> _..._
> -Original Message-
> From: Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Friday, Sep 19, 2008 4:27 am
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem
>
> Yes, this fairly major feature of the K3 is missing.
>
> No timescale for it's implementation been given.
>
> 73
> Stewart G3RXQ
> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:13 +0900, a.yoshida wrote:
>> Just finished assembling my KRX3.
>> Everything seems to work as advertized except "VFO IND "
> setting.
>
>> When I turn VFO A to set "YES" I see "UNAVAIL" in VFO B
>> I am reffering "Installation and Operation manual Rev B August
> 20, 2008".
>> Am I missing something ???
>> 73
>> aki  ja1nlx


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Lyle Johnson

zibs wrote:

But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 4 kHz using the
2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 or above 2800 Hz, power
output will drop to zero.

The user needs to be aware when clicking on the waterfall as one can receive
signals on frequencies in which they cannot transmit.


At present there is no wideband Tx in DATA A.  You can prevent the 
problem by not enabling a wider filter in receive for Data modes. 
Currently the filter configuration does not support separate filters for 
DATA and SSB modes, so this would also inhibit ESSB operation.


We'll put it on the list.

Thanks!

73,
Lyle KK7P



Steve N9SZ



Lyle Johnson wrote:

 > Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
 > > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...

I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack for sourcing
the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz
using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.

Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth.
TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For DATA A or
DATA AFSK, it should be flat.

73,

Lyle KK7P


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Monty Shultes
I have not noticed this with my K3, using both a cheap SoundBlaster audio 
card and an expensive E-MU card.  My first suspicion would be something 
impeding the audio getting to the transmitter - K3 equalization, sound card 
equalization.  Are you using the line in audio source?  Check settings for 
it.  I can run PSK31 with only 2 audio cables between the sound card and 
radio line in/line out.


Monty K2DLJ



Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
important to limit the range of the transmit frequency. Using Digipan and 
K3

Data A mode, if I select a transmit frequency on the waterfall that is too
high or low, I will get very low (or zero) power output. It seems like one
needs to keep this frequency centered in the transmit filter bandpass (I 
use

the 2.7 kHz filter for transmit) -- so should I always transmit near 1.3
kHz? I never noticed needing to limit this range when using my IC-756 with
Digipan.

Steve N9SZ
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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We're actually working on the firmware for this now. :-)

Stay tuned!

73,

Eric  WA6HHQ
_..._
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From: Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, Sep 19, 2008 4:27 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

Yes, this fairly major feature of the K3 is missing. 

No timescale for it's implementation been given.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:13 +0900, a.yoshida wrote:
> Just finished assembling my KRX3.
> Everything seems to work as advertized except "VFO IND " 
setting.
>
> When I turn VFO A to set "YES" I see "UNAVAIL" in VFO B
> I am reffering "Installation and Operation manual Rev B August 
20, 2008".
> Am I missing something ???
> 73
> aki  ja1nlx

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread zibs

But in Data A mode, one can expand the receive width out to 4 kHz using the
2.7 kHz filter. If you attempt to transmit below 200 or above 2800 Hz, power
output will drop to zero.

The user needs to be aware when clicking on the waterfall as one can receive
signals on frequencies in which they cannot transmit.

Steve N9SZ



Lyle Johnson wrote:
> 
>  > Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
>  > > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...
> 
> I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack for sourcing
> the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz
> using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.
> 
> Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth.
> TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For DATA A or
> DATA AFSK, it should be flat.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Lyle KK7P
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jean-Francois,

Saying what happened to U6 is only a guess, but I would suggest static 
damage.  Not necessarily static damage that happened recently, but 
sometime in the past.  However, if you had a nearby lightning strike 
that caused a charge to build on your microphone cable or paddle cable, 
that may be the reason.


One of the aspects of static damage is that it often does not fail 
immediately, but at some time in the future.  I suspect that is what 
happened.
That is why we hear so much emphasis placed on using an anti-static mat 
and a wrist strap when working with active devices.
Electronic devices are becoming more and more static sensitive, which is 
a result not only of the technology used, but also from stuffing more 
and more circuits into a smaller and smaller size.  Before active 
devices are mounted into a circuit, they are quite susceptible and must 
be handled with care.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:

You are right!! After U6 removed RP4 pin 5 and 6 are now at 81k ohm!!

U6 must be replaced

Thanks for your help. But one question remains. What did 
happen  to U6 ??


Jean-François Ménard

Le 08-09-19 à 09:52, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

Sounds like you are homing in on the problem.  Try removing the 
microprocessor and measuring the resistance between RP4 pins 5 and 
6.  If it is normal (81K), then you have a bad microprocessor input 
at pin 30.  If so, replacement of U6 is the only solution I know about.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:

I also found another thing.

Resistance check of Pin 7 and 8 of RP4 on the control board give me 
81K ohm, but PIN 5 and 6 give me 19K ohm... should be 81K ohm too !!!


Le 08-09-19 à 09:29, Jean-François Ménard a écrit :

It seems that a resistence check on the control board give me a 
hint. U6 PIN 29 are inside spec, but PIN 30 give me only 16K 
ohm and should be higher... around 80K ohm to 90k


The key jack seems to be good, R1 and R2 are OK.

Re-insert controler on RF board, nothing change


Le 08-09-19 à 08:11, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

It certainly could be a faulty key jack, but it could be a 
microprocessor problem too.

Turn the power down to zero for further testing.
Then check the voltage at the end of R1 and R2  near the key jack 
- they are easy to reach if you remove the left side panel.  The 
voltage should be near 5 volts if there is nothing pulling those 
inputs down.
Remember that the DOT line and the PTT line are one and the same 
on the K2, so if that line is low the problem nay be in the key 
jack or on the Front Panel board.


Should you find either the DOT or DASH lines near zero volts, turn 
power off and make resistance checks to find out if there is a 
short (maybe a solder bridge that has been dormant for a long 
time).  Those signal lines run direct to the microprocessor, so 
there is only the jacks, PC traces, and the microprocessor involved.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:
It seems that something let my K2 stuck in TX mode. I removed all 
module and put appropriate jumpers (unmod kit). Still in TX when 
powered ON. I checked this using my DL2 dummy load with my 
multimeter I always have output power !!


Could it be a defective KEY jack that is jammed? I have nothing 
plugged..



Le 08-09-18 à 23:33, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean,

This is strange - the second case of similar behavior reported 
on the reflector today.  Could it be a case of the 'phase of the 
moon'?


When the K2 is in transmit state, the behavior will be as you 
describe - no buttons operate but the K2 displays the frequency.


Check to see if your K2 is somehow stuck in transmit.  The 
easiest way is to check the state of the 8R and 8T voltages.  
You can checkby measuring the DC voltage at the anodes of D6 and 
D7.  During receive, the voltage at D6 anode should be about 8 
volts and the voltage at D7 should be near zero volts.  If the 
K2 is 'stuck in transmit', those voltages will be reversed.


If your K2 is indeed 'stuck in transmit', try removing the key 
plug and the microphone - if something external is creating that 
transmit condition, it should be OK with those cables unplugged.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:



Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience back 
in 2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see ELECRAFT 
and then the frequency. but everything is frozen 
after.. still get the frequency displayed, but no button, 
no function work. I also tried to reset the K2 to the factory 
default by holding 4-5-6 buttons. Got the 201 message then 
back to the ELECRAFT and the frequency. but still frozen 


Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static discharge 
or something like this !?!?!?!





De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS


 




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Lyle Johnson

> Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
> > important to limit the range of the transmit frequency...

I just swept my K3 in DATA A mode.using the LINE IN jack for sourcing
the Tx audio.  It is flat from below 200 Hz to higher than 2800 Hz
using a 2.,8 kHz IF filter.

Be sure you don't have TxEQ set to restrict the transmit bandwidth.
TxEQ is active for *all* Tx audio paths in all modes.  For DATA A or
DATA AFSK, it should be flat.

73,

Lyle KK7P


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Jean-François Ménard
You are right!! After U6 removed RP4 pin 5 and 6 are now at 81k  
ohm!!


U6 must be replaced

Thanks for your help. But one question remains. What did  
happen  to U6 ??


Jean-François Ménard

Le 08-09-19 à 09:52, Don Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

Sounds like you are homing in on the problem.  Try removing the  
microprocessor and measuring the resistance between RP4 pins 5 and  
6.  If it is normal (81K), then you have a bad microprocessor input  
at pin 30.  If so, replacement of U6 is the only solution I know  
about.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:

I also found another thing.

Resistance check of Pin 7 and 8 of RP4 on the control board give me  
81K ohm, but PIN 5 and 6 give me 19K ohm... should be 81K ohm too !!!


Le 08-09-19 à 09:29, Jean-François Ménard a écrit :

It seems that a resistence check on the control board give me a  
hint. U6 PIN 29 are inside spec, but PIN 30 give me only 16K  
ohm and should be higher... around 80K ohm to 90k


The key jack seems to be good, R1 and R2 are OK.

Re-insert controler on RF board, nothing change


Le 08-09-19 à 08:11, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

It certainly could be a faulty key jack, but it could be a  
microprocessor problem too.

Turn the power down to zero for further testing.
Then check the voltage at the end of R1 and R2  near the key jack  
- they are easy to reach if you remove the left side panel.  The  
voltage should be near 5 volts if there is nothing pulling those  
inputs down.
Remember that the DOT line and the PTT line are one and the same  
on the K2, so if that line is low the problem nay be in the key  
jack or on the Front Panel board.


Should you find either the DOT or DASH lines near zero volts,  
turn power off and make resistance checks to find out if there is  
a short (maybe a solder bridge that has been dormant for a long  
time).  Those signal lines run direct to the microprocessor, so  
there is only the jacks, PC traces, and the microprocessor  
involved.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:
It seems that something let my K2 stuck in TX mode. I removed  
all module and put appropriate jumpers (unmod kit). Still in TX  
when powered ON. I checked this using my DL2 dummy load with my  
multimeter I always have output power !!


Could it be a defective KEY jack that is jammed? I have nothing  
plugged..



Le 08-09-18 à 23:33, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean,

This is strange - the second case of similar behavior reported  
on the reflector today.  Could it be a case of the 'phase of  
the moon'?


When the K2 is in transmit state, the behavior will be as you  
describe - no buttons operate but the K2 displays the frequency.


Check to see if your K2 is somehow stuck in transmit.  The  
easiest way is to check the state of the 8R and 8T voltages.   
You can checkby measuring the DC voltage at the anodes of D6  
and D7.  During receive, the voltage at D6 anode should be  
about 8 volts and the voltage at D7 should be near zero volts.   
If the K2 is 'stuck in transmit', those voltages will be  
reversed.


If your K2 is indeed 'stuck in transmit', try removing the key  
plug and the microphone - if something external is creating  
that transmit condition, it should be OK with those cables  
unplugged.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:



Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience  
back in 2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see  
ELECRAFT and then the frequency. but everything is frozen  
after.. still get the frequency displayed, but no button,  
no function work. I also tried to reset the K2 to the factory  
default by holding 4-5-6 buttons. Got the 201 message then  
back to the ELECRAFT and the frequency. but still  
frozen 


Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static  
discharge or something like this !?!?!?!





De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jean-Francois,

Sounds like you are homing in on the problem.  Try removing the 
microprocessor and measuring the resistance between RP4 pins 5 and 6.  
If it is normal (81K), then you have a bad microprocessor input at pin 
30.  If so, replacement of U6 is the only solution I know about.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:

I also found another thing.

Resistance check of Pin 7 and 8 of RP4 on the control board give me 
81K ohm, but PIN 5 and 6 give me 19K ohm... should be 81K ohm too !!!


Le 08-09-19 à 09:29, Jean-François Ménard a écrit :

It seems that a resistence check on the control board give me a 
hint. U6 PIN 29 are inside spec, but PIN 30 give me only 16K ohm 
and should be higher... around 80K ohm to 90k


The key jack seems to be good, R1 and R2 are OK.

Re-insert controler on RF board, nothing change


Le 08-09-19 à 08:11, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

It certainly could be a faulty key jack, but it could be a 
microprocessor problem too.

Turn the power down to zero for further testing.
Then check the voltage at the end of R1 and R2  near the key jack - 
they are easy to reach if you remove the left side panel.  The 
voltage should be near 5 volts if there is nothing pulling those 
inputs down.
Remember that the DOT line and the PTT line are one and the same on 
the K2, so if that line is low the problem nay be in the key jack or 
on the Front Panel board.


Should you find either the DOT or DASH lines near zero volts, turn 
power off and make resistance checks to find out if there is a short 
(maybe a solder bridge that has been dormant for a long time).  
Those signal lines run direct to the microprocessor, so there is 
only the jacks, PC traces, and the microprocessor involved.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:
It seems that something let my K2 stuck in TX mode. I removed all 
module and put appropriate jumpers (unmod kit). Still in TX when 
powered ON. I checked this using my DL2 dummy load with my 
multimeter I always have output power !!


Could it be a defective KEY jack that is jammed? I have nothing 
plugged..



Le 08-09-18 à 23:33, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean,

This is strange - the second case of similar behavior reported on 
the reflector today.  Could it be a case of the 'phase of the moon'?


When the K2 is in transmit state, the behavior will be as you 
describe - no buttons operate but the K2 displays the frequency.


Check to see if your K2 is somehow stuck in transmit.  The easiest 
way is to check the state of the 8R and 8T voltages.  You can 
checkby measuring the DC voltage at the anodes of D6 and D7.  
During receive, the voltage at D6 anode should be about 8 volts 
and the voltage at D7 should be near zero volts.  If the K2 is 
'stuck in transmit', those voltages will be reversed.


If your K2 is indeed 'stuck in transmit', try removing the key 
plug and the microphone - if something external is creating that 
transmit condition, it should be OK with those cables unplugged.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:



Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience back 
in 2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see ELECRAFT and 
then the frequency. but everything is frozen after.. 
still get the frequency displayed, but no button, no function 
work. I also tried to reset the K2 to the factory default by 
holding 4-5-6 buttons. Got the 201 message then back to the 
ELECRAFT and the frequency. but still frozen 


Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static discharge 
or something like this !?!?!?!





De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS


 




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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Jean-François Ménard

I also found another thing.

Resistance check of Pin 7 and 8 of RP4 on the control board give me  
81K ohm, but PIN 5 and 6 give me 19K ohm... should be 81K ohm too !!!


Le 08-09-19 à 09:29, Jean-François Ménard a écrit :

It seems that a resistence check on the control board give me a  
hint. U6 PIN 29 are inside spec, but PIN 30 give me only 16K ohm  
and should be higher... around 80K ohm to 90k


The key jack seems to be good, R1 and R2 are OK.

Re-insert controler on RF board, nothing change


Le 08-09-19 à 08:11, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

It certainly could be a faulty key jack, but it could be a  
microprocessor problem too.

Turn the power down to zero for further testing.
Then check the voltage at the end of R1 and R2  near the key jack -  
they are easy to reach if you remove the left side panel.  The  
voltage should be near 5 volts if there is nothing pulling those  
inputs down.
Remember that the DOT line and the PTT line are one and the same on  
the K2, so if that line is low the problem nay be in the key jack  
or on the Front Panel board.


Should you find either the DOT or DASH lines near zero volts, turn  
power off and make resistance checks to find out if there is a  
short (maybe a solder bridge that has been dormant for a long  
time).  Those signal lines run direct to the microprocessor, so  
there is only the jacks, PC traces, and the microprocessor involved.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:
It seems that something let my K2 stuck in TX mode. I removed all  
module and put appropriate jumpers (unmod kit). Still in TX when  
powered ON. I checked this using my DL2 dummy load with my  
multimeter I always have output power !!


Could it be a defective KEY jack that is jammed? I have nothing  
plugged..



Le 08-09-18 à 23:33, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean,

This is strange - the second case of similar behavior reported on  
the reflector today.  Could it be a case of the 'phase of the  
moon'?


When the K2 is in transmit state, the behavior will be as you  
describe - no buttons operate but the K2 displays the frequency.


Check to see if your K2 is somehow stuck in transmit.  The  
easiest way is to check the state of the 8R and 8T voltages.  You  
can checkby measuring the DC voltage at the anodes of D6 and D7.   
During receive, the voltage at D6 anode should be about 8 volts  
and the voltage at D7 should be near zero volts.  If the K2 is  
'stuck in transmit', those voltages will be reversed.


If your K2 is indeed 'stuck in transmit', try removing the key  
plug and the microphone - if something external is creating that  
transmit condition, it should be OK with those cables unplugged.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:



Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience back  
in 2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see ELECRAFT and  
then the frequency. but everything is frozen after..  
still get the frequency displayed, but no button, no function  
work. I also tried to reset the K2 to the factory default by  
holding 4-5-6 buttons. Got the 201 message then back to the  
ELECRAFT and the frequency. but still frozen 


Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static discharge  
or something like this !?!?!?!





De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread Tim Heasman

Hi All,

I have noticed this problem as well, and also with the sdr 1000.  I just 
widen the tx passband on the sdr 1000, so perhaps we could use the 6 kHz 
filter for A mode data transmission.


73

Tim

gm4lmh

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan




Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
important to limit the range of the transmit frequency. Using Digipan and 
K3

Data A mode, if I select a transmit frequency on the waterfall that is too
high or low, I will get very low (or zero) power output. It seems like one
needs to keep this frequency centered in the transmit filter bandpass (I 
use

the 2.7 kHz filter for transmit) -- so should I always transmit near 1.3
kHz? I never noticed needing to limit this range when using my IC-756 with
Digipan.

Steve N9SZ
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[Elecraft] K3 not transmitting after AM BC use

2008-09-19 Thread Gary Nichols
After my post yesterday about not being able to transmit after being on the
AM BC band.think the problem may have been that Phat Phingers may have
stayed on the mode up button too long putting the rig in test mode (blinking
T) and being a newbie I didn't recognize the problem.  Powering the rig off
and on cleared what was an operator problem.this has probably NEVER happened
to anyone else.  73, de gary

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Jean-François Ménard
It seems that a resistence check on the control board give me a  
hint. U6 PIN 29 are inside spec, but PIN 30 give me only 16K ohm  
and should be higher... around 80K ohm to 90k


The key jack seems to be good, R1 and R2 are OK.

Re-insert controler on RF board, nothing change


Le 08-09-19 à 08:11, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean-Francois,

It certainly could be a faulty key jack, but it could be a  
microprocessor problem too.

Turn the power down to zero for further testing.
Then check the voltage at the end of R1 and R2  near the key jack -  
they are easy to reach if you remove the left side panel.  The  
voltage should be near 5 volts if there is nothing pulling those  
inputs down.
Remember that the DOT line and the PTT line are one and the same on  
the K2, so if that line is low the problem nay be in the key jack or  
on the Front Panel board.


Should you find either the DOT or DASH lines near zero volts, turn  
power off and make resistance checks to find out if there is a short  
(maybe a solder bridge that has been dormant for a long time).   
Those signal lines run direct to the microprocessor, so there is  
only the jacks, PC traces, and the microprocessor involved.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:
It seems that something let my K2 stuck in TX mode. I removed all  
module and put appropriate jumpers (unmod kit). Still in TX when  
powered ON. I checked this using my DL2 dummy load with my  
multimeter I always have output power !!


Could it be a defective KEY jack that is jammed? I have nothing  
plugged..



Le 08-09-18 à 23:33, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean,

This is strange - the second case of similar behavior reported on  
the reflector today.  Could it be a case of the 'phase of the moon'?


When the K2 is in transmit state, the behavior will be as you  
describe - no buttons operate but the K2 displays the frequency.


Check to see if your K2 is somehow stuck in transmit.  The easiest  
way is to check the state of the 8R and 8T voltages.  You can  
checkby measuring the DC voltage at the anodes of D6 and D7.   
During receive, the voltage at D6 anode should be about 8 volts  
and the voltage at D7 should be near zero volts.  If the K2 is  
'stuck in transmit', those voltages will be reversed.


If your K2 is indeed 'stuck in transmit', try removing the key  
plug and the microphone - if something external is creating that  
transmit condition, it should be OK with those cables unplugged.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:



Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience back  
in 2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see ELECRAFT and  
then the frequency. but everything is frozen after..  
still get the frequency displayed, but no button, no function  
work. I also tried to reset the K2 to the factory default by  
holding 4-5-6 buttons. Got the 201 message then back to the  
ELECRAFT and the frequency. but still frozen 


Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static discharge  
or something like this !?!?!?!





De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS





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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread a.yoshida

Sorry

I missed related post.
I understand now it is not yet implemented.

73
aki  ja1nlx


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Subject: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem



Just finished assembling my KRX3.
Everything seems to work as advertized except "VFO IND " setting.

When I turn VFO A to set "YES" I see "UNAVAIL" in VFO B
I am reffering "Installation and Operation manual Rev B August 20, 2008".

Am I missing something ???

73
aki  ja1nlx

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[Elecraft] K3 PSK31 with Digipan

2008-09-19 Thread zibs

Just getting my new K3 working on PSK31 and noticed that it seems to be
important to limit the range of the transmit frequency. Using Digipan and K3
Data A mode, if I select a transmit frequency on the waterfall that is too
high or low, I will get very low (or zero) power output. It seems like one
needs to keep this frequency centered in the transmit filter bandpass (I use
the 2.7 kHz filter for transmit) -- so should I always transmit near 1.3
kHz? I never noticed needing to limit this range when using my IC-756 with
Digipan.

Steve N9SZ 
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[Elecraft] [K3] Split Diversity Work-around

2008-09-19 Thread Bill W4ZV

Split operation using Diversity with the KRX3 is not yet available (but will
be forthcoming).  A temporary work-around is to enable XIT and set the
offset to the split the DX station announces.  You cannot listen on your TX
frequency but at least this will allow you to use Diversity and transmit on
a different frequency.  Another alternative is to listen to the pileup area,
set the VFO to the spot you want to TX on, and then use RIT to tune back to
the DX station.  All of the above only works within the range of XIT/RIT
(+/- 10 kHz).

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Jean-Francois,

It certainly could be a faulty key jack, but it could be a 
microprocessor problem too.

Turn the power down to zero for further testing.
Then check the voltage at the end of R1 and R2  near the key jack - they 
are easy to reach if you remove the left side panel.  The voltage should 
be near 5 volts if there is nothing pulling those inputs down.
Remember that the DOT line and the PTT line are one and the same on the 
K2, so if that line is low the problem nay be in the key jack or on the 
Front Panel board.


Should you find either the DOT or DASH lines near zero volts, turn power 
off and make resistance checks to find out if there is a short (maybe a 
solder bridge that has been dormant for a long time).  Those signal 
lines run direct to the microprocessor, so there is only the jacks, PC 
traces, and the microprocessor involved.


73,
Don W3FPR


Jean-François Ménard wrote:
It seems that something let my K2 stuck in TX mode. I removed all 
module and put appropriate jumpers (unmod kit). Still in TX when 
powered ON. I checked this using my DL2 dummy load with my 
multimeter I always have output power !!


Could it be a defective KEY jack that is jammed? I have nothing 
plugged..



Le 08-09-18 à 23:33, Don Wilhelm a écrit :


Jean,

This is strange - the second case of similar behavior reported on the 
reflector today.  Could it be a case of the 'phase of the moon'?


When the K2 is in transmit state, the behavior will be as you 
describe - no buttons operate but the K2 displays the frequency.


Check to see if your K2 is somehow stuck in transmit.  The easiest 
way is to check the state of the 8R and 8T voltages.  You can checkby 
measuring the DC voltage at the anodes of D6 and D7.  During receive, 
the voltage at D6 anode should be about 8 volts and the voltage at D7 
should be near zero volts.  If the K2 is 'stuck in transmit', those 
voltages will be reversed.


If your K2 is indeed 'stuck in transmit', try removing the key plug 
and the microphone - if something external is creating that transmit 
condition, it should be OK with those cables unplugged.


73,
Don W3FPR

Jean-François Ménard wrote:



Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience back in 
2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see ELECRAFT and then 
the frequency. but everything is frozen after.. still get 
the frequency displayed, but no button, no function work. I also 
tried to reset the K2 to the factory default by holding 4-5-6 
buttons. Got the 201 message then back to the ELECRAFT and the 
frequency. but still frozen 


Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static discharge or 
something like this !?!?!?!





De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS





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Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread Stewart Baker
Yes, this fairly major feature of the K3 is missing.

No timescale for it's implementation been given.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:15:13 +0900, a.yoshida wrote:
> Just finished assembling my KRX3.
> Everything seems to work as advertized except "VFO IND "
setting.
>
> When I turn VFO A to set "YES" I see "UNAVAIL" in VFO B
> I am reffering "Installation and Operation manual Rev B August
20, 2008".
>
> Am I missing something ???
>
> 73
> aki  ja1nlx
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[Elecraft] KRX3 config problem

2008-09-19 Thread a.yoshida

Just finished assembling my KRX3.
Everything seems to work as advertized except "VFO IND " setting.

When I turn VFO A to set "YES" I see "UNAVAIL" in VFO B
I am reffering "Installation and Operation manual Rev B August 20, 2008".

Am I missing something ???

73
aki  ja1nlx

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[Elecraft] Re: RSGB Insurance - check yours

2008-09-19 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Again, please forgive my cross posting. I have received the following  
mail from Peter Kirby, General Manager of the RSGB, correcting my  
misunderstanding of the situation with Catlins/Orion.
Although Orion did cease trading 6 months ago, this WAS apparently  
announced in RadCom and other media.
I was not aware of the announcement and so apologise to the RSGB and  
RadCom for my complaint that we had not been notified.

--
It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be
reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
-Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)

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Dear Mr Ferrington,

I have recently sighted an Email you placed on various reflectors  
warning/announcing that the RSGB Insurance scheme through the Lloyds  
syndicate Catlins had gone out of business.


This I am afraid that not only is the information you put out  
incorrect but this is very old news.  The insurance brokers Orion who  
were handling this business ceased trading some 6 months ago this was  
widely reported by the RSGB at the time in RadCom on GB2RS and on the  
RSGB website.  At the same time we reassured those members/Radio  
Amateurs that Catlins the underwriters providing the insurance cover  
would honour all policies until the time for policy renewal.  The RSGB  
could not write to each individual policy holder because we do not  
know who has joined the scheme this is between the broker and the  
individual amateur so the only method of announcing the news was via  
the mediums listed above.


The Society has worked with Catlins since the announcement to try to  
identify another broker to take on the business, to date we have been  
unsuccessful.  The RSGB’s role is to put its name to the scheme only.   
We do not recommend or have any other involvement.


I am more than happy for you to place this Email on the reflectors you  
posted your Email on to correct the mis-information you put out in  
your original Email.


Yours sincerely

Peter Kirby, G0TWW

Peter Kirby.
General Manager.

Registered office:
Radio Society of Great Britain
3 Abbey Court
Fraser Road
Priory Business Park
Bedford
MK44 3WH
Tel +44 (0) 1234 832700
Fax +44 (0) 1234 831496
Registered Number: 216431


On 18 Sep 2008, at 12:43, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Please forgive the cross posting, especially if you aren’t a G or an  
M.
I have just found out that the company that provided the RSGB Radio  
Insurance Plan

Catlin Insurance Company (UK) Ltd.
(as advertised in RadCom last year I believe) went out of business  
sometime ago - I don't know when.


I discovered this by chance and have seen no notification of this in  
RadCom - something I would have expected since it was RadCom that  
recommend it.


My policy is due soon and since I've increased my kit (added a K3 to  
start with :-), I'm going to go back to the previous provider -  
"Amateur Radio Insurance services" supplied by Stuart Alexander Ltd.  
(0207 3351647).
I have no association with them other than being a previously happy  
customer.


I only went to the RSGB plan because it was recommended by the RSGB  
and was slightly cheaper (very slightly), lesson learnt!


Again, apologies for the bandwidth.
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Re: [Elecraft] K2 freeze at startup... need advice

2008-09-19 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Try removing and reseating the MCU (U6) on the Control Board before
switching on, this will clean the contacts and could solve your problem.

I have had the same problem with my K2.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Jean-François Ménard wrote on Friday, September 19, 2008 2:55 AM


Hi everybody,

I have my first major trouble since my building experience back in
2004. Now, everytime i power up my K2, I can see ELECRAFT and then the
frequency. but everything is frozen after.. still get the
frequency displayed, but no button, no function work. I also tried to
reset the K2 to the factory default by holding 4-5-6 buttons. Got
the 201 message then back to the ELECRAFT and the frequency. but
still frozen 

Is it possible the the control board PIC got a static discharge or
something like this !?!?!?!

Thanks for your help.


De Jean-François Ménard / VA2SS


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