Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Alan Bloom wrote:
It's an easy mod.  Just remove one surface-mount resistor (cut it in 
half with side cutters

That is a very risky technique - cutters apply a very large and 
uncontrolled force which can easily tear up the solder pads.

It is much safer to melt the solder at both ends of the resistor, 
swapping quickly between one end and the other, until the resistor 
gently slides off.

(Also a query about the resistor value: does it truly have to be 13K? 
Is this potential divider so critical that it cannot use one of the 
readily available standard values of 15K, 12K or even 10K?)


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ and .NET

2009-09-22 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
rfenab...@gmail.com wrote:
 1. The program will run off line for a limited time and then want
 to go to Microsoft for updating.

.NET itself does not auto-update.  It is included in Windows Update, so 
is potentially updated every second Tuesday of the month, but, in my 
experience, is only rarely updated; IE accounts for a much higher volume 
of updates.

You can set updating to manual and select only the desired updates.  The 
only real problem with that is that you have to be very careful where 
you go on the internet, to avoid getting infected by malware that 
exploits the bugs fixed by the updates.

It is relatively slow, but part of that is the result of the general 
software bloat which strives to cancel out Moore's law.  I should be 
faster than purely interpreted versions of Visual Basic, as it uses just 
in time compiling to produce optimised code when it is run.

There are non-Windows implementations of Common Language Runtime, the 
underlying technology, although these do tend to be rather slow, as they 
only do a shallow translation to machine code

None of this should indicate that I wouldn't prefer open source C code.

It is very unlikely that code re-written for .NET will get rewritten, by 
its original authors, for any older technology.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ and .NET

2009-09-22 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
One other thing about .NET is that Microsoft provide free graphical 
development tools, and even the professional Microsoft development tools 
are primarily for .NET.  That means that anyone who is doing small scale 
Windows development, and isn't heavily into the use of open source tool 
chains, is more or less forced into using .NET, especially if the 
program has a GUI.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Dave G4AON
I find removing surface mount resistors, at least on the underside of
the K3 main board, quite simple. It's easier than removing wire ended
resistors from plated through holes! Remove the bulk of the solder from
each end of the component with solder wick, the heat from the iron will
often have migrated through the component by this time and it will slide
away from the pads, if not dab the other end. I really do not like
cutting surface mount resistors and capacitors with side cutters as a
means of removing them.

Getting the replacement component nice and square on the board is harder
than removing the old one as the heat from soldering the second end can
be enough to cause the component to shift slightly.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80 with all the published mods.

Ian GM3SEK wrote:

/It's an easy mod. Just remove one surface-mount resistor (cut it in
//half with side cutters
/
That is a very risky technique - cutters apply a very large and
uncontrolled force which can easily tear up the solder pads.
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Re: [Elecraft] Upcoming K3 features

2009-09-22 Thread Julian, G4ILO


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 
 
 1. TX/RX EQ = OFF in digital modes will be implemented in within the 
 next couple of releases.
 
 

That is extremely good news.



 
 2. RX active while manually tuning through memories will also be 
 implemented shortly, within the next couple of releases.
 
 

While that may also be good news for many, that is already possible using
the channel hopping memories. What I was actually hoping to see that would
address the criticism I made of the memory operation is for *all* the
attributes that are stored in a memory, such as tx frequency, repeater shift
state, access tone frequency etc. to be active when that memory is selected
(at least the channel hoppers) so you can just PTT and reply to anyone you
hear when scanning those memories, without having to remember to recall the
memory contents first. Is that going to be possible?

If so, then it seems as if all of my main annoyances with the K3 are going
to be addressed very soon. :) It's just a pity that one has to brave so much
flak in order to get this information. :(

-
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* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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[Elecraft] Re: using K2 in ARES

2009-09-22 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Jim,

Thanks for reply.

BTW, what are your gears covering the V/U band?

cheers,

Johnny VR2XMC





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主題: Re: [Elecraft] using K2 in ARES

Johnny,

I regularly use my K2/100/KAT100 in ARES and RACES.  I even have Winlink2000 
capability.  Works fine.

73,

Jim Campbell - W4BQP
ARES EC, RACES Radio Officer
Spartanburg county, SC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Julian, G4ILO



K2QI wrote:
 
 2.If I do decide to buy the panadaptor, can Elecraft perform this
 modification for me if I send the radio back?  I've already done most of
 the
 hardware mods, but SMD stuff I refuse to deal with.
 
 
I entirely understand your concern, but having plucked up the courage to do
a couple of mods a few months ago I found it really wasn't difficult.
Getting an SMT part off is a lot easier than removing through hole parts
(believe me, I have the messy looking KSB2 with lifted circuit traces in my
K2 to show for it.) I used two soldering irons, one at each end, and the
resistor was off in a jiffy.

I haven't looked at this particular mod yet since I don't have a need for it
but I assume, as with the other mod, that the replacement resistor can be a
leaded one if you find that easier.

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* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 EZ and .NET

2009-09-22 Thread Julian, G4ILO



David Woolley (E.L) wrote:
 
 One other thing about .NET is that Microsoft provide free graphical 
 development tools, and even the professional Microsoft development tools 
 are primarily for .NET.  That means that anyone who is doing small scale 
 Windows development, and isn't heavily into the use of open source tool 
 chains, is more or less forced into using .NET, especially if the 
 program has a GUI.
 

Well they could use Lazarus http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/ a free open
source development tool based on Free Pascal that looks a lot like Borland
Delphi. It produces Windows binary executables that don't require .NET.
There are also versions for Linux and Mac OS that can create executables for
those platforms from the same source code. It's what I use to create KComm.

-
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* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Bill W4ZV



Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
 
 (Also a query about the resistor value: does it truly have to be 13K? 
 Is this potential divider so critical that it cannot use one of the 
 readily available standard values of 15K, 12K or even 10K?)
 

When the mod was first published I asked:
Just checking to see if this is a typo.  13K or 12K?

Bob Friess N6CM (the 1st mixer designer) replied:
13K is a standard 5% value and is correct.

I took the 5% tolerance to mean the value is somewhat critical.

73,  Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Pete Connors
James Sarte wrote:
 I've already done most of the
 hardware mods, but SMD stuff I refuse to deal with.

I too was extremely nervous about those little smd parts but I 
eventually plucked up courage and found it astonishingly easy. You just 
need plenty of light, a fine bit, tweezers and a magnifying glass to 
check the work.

73, Pete G4PLZ/F5VNB


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Brendan Minish
On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 03:50 -0700, Bill W4ZV wrote:

 
 When the mod was first published I asked:
 Just checking to see if this is a typo.  13K or 12K?
 
 Bob Friess N6CM (the 1st mixer designer) replied:
 13K is a standard 5% value and is correct.


13k is not standard in the bag of SMT resistors I have here ;-) so in
the 3 K3's I have carried this mod out in so far I used 1K and 12k in
series.
SMT allows this to be done relatively neatly by standing off each
resistor at approximately 45 degrees from the pad, touching in the
middle. then solder 

Takes a bit of fiddling around but it can be done 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Dave G4AON
There is about 0.2 dB difference between using one value or the other,
depending on the accuracy of your model.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
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Bill W4ZV wrote:

When the mod was first published I asked:
Just checking to see if this is a typo. 13K or 12K?

Bob Friess N6CM (the 1st mixer designer) replied:
13K is a standard 5% value and is correct.

I took the 5% tolerance to mean the value is somewhat critical.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Don Wilhelm
13k is a standard value in the progression of 5% resistors (10, 11, 12, 
13, 15, 18, 20, etc.).  It is difficult to get 10% resistors anymore, 
and 5% tolerance is normally used.
If your local parts source does not have them, perhaps they are only 
stocking those values from the list of 10% tolerance values to save 
shelf space.

73,
Don W3FPR

Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
 (Also a query about the resistor value: does it truly have to be 13K? 
 Is this potential divider so critical that it cannot use one of the 
 readily available standard values of 15K, 12K or even 10K?)

   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Dave G4AON wrote:

Bill W4ZV wrote:

When the mod was first published I asked:
Just checking to see if this is a typo. 13K or 12K?

Bob Friess N6CM (the 1st mixer designer) replied:
13K is a standard 5% value and is correct.

I took the 5% tolerance to mean the value is somewhat critical.


There is about 0.2 dB difference between using one value or the other,
depending on the accuracy of your model.


13K is a standard value in the E24 series, which covers a full decade in 
24 steps. Each step is about 10% above the previous value, so E24 
resistors have to be manufactured with a tolerance of 5% or better.

http://www.logwell.com/tech/components/resistor_values.html

But *standard* values aren't the same as the most-used *common* values. 
The ones most used are the well known E6 series (1.0, 1.5, 2.2 etc) or 
the E12 series (1.0, 1.2, 1.5, 1.8, 2.2 etc).

Most RF circuits don't operate within 5% margins, so they can get along 
fine with E6 and E12 values.


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[Elecraft] K3 firmware 2 years on and still much to do

2009-09-22 Thread Paul Kirley
EI6IZ sed:
*
If you look at the sheet that came with your TCXO you might notice that
it does a good deal better than 0.5ppm without any calibration over the
temperature range that your radio goes through during operation. 
The TCXO in my k3 is better than 0.5ppm over the temp range -10C to
+50C. My Front panel temp as measured by the K3 is always around 37-40 C
and does not vary much 

you mileage may vary but the K3 with the TCXO already comfortably
exceeds 0.5ppm without the additional calibration. (which is coming.)
Therefore the K3 does not 'fail' to meet the 0.5ppm spec at present
*

EI6IZ apparently had good luck with his particular TCXO.  My TCXO data
sheet says, in part:

-10.00   -.39
  0.00   -.25
 10.00   -.03
 19.99.05
 29.98.29
 40.02.60
 50.00.73

As can be seen, my TCXO barely meets the 1 ppm spec from 0C to 50C,
as .73 - (-.25) = .98, but would fail that spec if measured from 
-10C to 50C.

So my particular TCXO does no better than its 1 ppm spec, and does
not achieve 0.5 ppm stability until it warms up to its operating
temperature, near body temperature (which is 37C).

While it is warming up, from room temperature at about 20C to operating
temperature at about 40C, my TCXO varies .60 - .05 = .55 ppm, more drift
than 0.5 ppm even during warmup in a typical house.

73, Paul W8TM


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[Elecraft] In Fear and Trepidation

2009-09-22 Thread Lee Buller
I want to make an observation on the recent discussion concerning the K3 and 
what it can do and what is can't do and what people want it to do.

This year at Dayton, I purchased a Hammarlund HQ110 for grins and giggles.  
The price was right and I carried it home.  This is a nice unit and works 
rather well.  But, through the years (44 years) I had forgotten how much better 
receivers are today than yesteryear.  It takes 30 minutes for the 110 to stop 
drifting and become stable.  Selectivity is fun too...as now I remember that as 
a Novice and General I had to copy one signal through a bandwidth that allowed 
three to four signals at the same time.  And, as a Novice, working split was 
the NORM!

I guess it is a matter of perception...but I am glad for today's modern day 
receivers.  They are vastly - (and that is an understatement) better...from the 
60's and have gotten better year and year over the decades.  We've all grown 
with the hobby and I wonder if we need to stand back and reflect on where we 
have come from (short term and long term) and really appreciate the technology 
around us today.

Lee Buller
K0WA


 In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you 
don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't 
find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  
Is Common Sense divine?
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[Elecraft] K2 Monitoring outgoing PSK31 Signal

2009-09-22 Thread KM4VX

I have searched the archives but cannot find anything concerning how to
monitor the outgoing PSK31 signal from the K2. In the PRO3 one just pushes
the Monitor button. I am using the SignaLink USB interface with Digipan
software at 5 watts. I would like to check my outgoing audio. Thanks. Ron
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Re: [Elecraft] Upcoming K3 features

2009-09-22 Thread Ignacy

Please add 

1. Notch in the AGC loop
2. Possibly narrower manual notch (like in IC-7000)

Before the automatic notch was slow but now it seems to be much faster.
Undocumented fix or my imagination?

Ignacy


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Audio Response - Version 3.33 Firmware

2009-09-22 Thread PA3CW

I am a CW operator for over 30 years, first professionally and now only as
hobby. My measuring instruments are my ears and the operation of the K3.  I
never had such a good receiver but at first disliked the audio a bit.  It
was written in many postings and many of you gave a thorough technical
explanation even with different 'colors'  of the noise.

Still I trusted on my ears as a judge and i can say that the new release
very much improves the way of listening to CW, SSB and AM signals. The K3
now can really sound the way I like a communications receiver to  do. It is
just a bit 'warmer'  sound than before that makes listening more comfortable
and less tiring.

I still have no clue about the best NR setting. It would make sense to have
some background for which situation which setting is developed.  Also I
sometimes wonder why there is no full decoupling possibility with DSP
technology, meaning what I hear in my headphone is only a clean sinus of 600
Hz, generated by the DSP based on its input .  Is this strange thinking for
CW, or technically impossible? (No immediate feature request ;).

Anyway, thanks for all the good work and 3.33 is an improvement again. 
Compliments for all the development work being done. I am still proud to
operate a K3.


Dick PA3CW


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Re: [Elecraft] Upcoming K3 features

2009-09-22 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Thanks for the clarification, Eric, and the interesting general comments. In
my view you're getting some difficult balances about right so far, including
allocation of resources between enhancements to existing products and
bringing out new ones. Although I would add, quietly, that
shipment dates for new products often seem optimistic :-)

As regards the K3 prioritised list, items previously said to be on it are
presumably still there so that, for example, unless we hear otherwise we'll
eventually see a f/w feature that can automatically turn on MON at a preset
level when a DVR recording is being transmitted. (Couldn't resist mentioning
it!)

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK

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 As a general comment, we have a very specific prioritized list of items
 that we are working on for the K3. some we've talked about, some we
 haven't. 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Monitoring outgoing PSK31 Signal

2009-09-22 Thread Julian, G4ILO



KM4VX wrote:
 
 I have searched the archives but cannot find anything concerning how to
 monitor the outgoing PSK31 signal from the K2. In the PRO3 one just pushes
 the Monitor button. I am using the SignaLink USB interface with Digipan
 software at 5 watts. I would like to check my outgoing audio. Thanks. Ron
 
There is no audio monitor on the K2. In any case, it is really the
trasnmitted signal you need to monitor to check your IMD. If you have no
more than one bar of ALC showing in r mode then the IMD should be very
good at 5 watts.

There used to be a very useful tool called the IMD Meter designed by KK7UQ
which you could buy from US Interface. Sadly it appears to be no longer
available since the owner of US Interface became a SK. You can still find
information about it if you use Google. If anyone knows where you can still
get these things I'd like to know, because I have one and wrote about it on
my website, and I'm often asked where you can get them from.

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* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Upcoming K3 features

2009-09-22 Thread Bill
I too have noted an improvement in speed.  I would prefer the notch actually
be wider or adjustable in width, some of the tune up clowns on SSB have some
very large signals.


73,

Bill
K9YEQ

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Please add 

1. Notch in the AGC loop
2. Possibly narrower manual notch (like in IC-7000)

Before the automatic notch was slow but now it seems to be much faster.
Undocumented fix or my imagination?

Ignacy



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Re: [Elecraft] Upcoming K3 features

2009-09-22 Thread Ian Maude
2009/9/22 Geoffrey Downs geoff...@downs.globalnet.co.uk


 As regards the K3 prioritised list, items previously said to be on it are
 presumably still there so that, for example, unless we hear otherwise we'll
 eventually see a f/w feature that can automatically turn on MON at a preset
 level when a DVR recording is being transmitted.



Oh yes please!  Totally away from the TX audio.  This IMHO is a much needed
option!

73 Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Alan Bloom
On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 08:22 +0100, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

 (Also a query about the resistor value: does it truly have to be 13K? 
 Is this potential divider so critical that it cannot use one of the 
 readily available standard values of 15K, 12K or even 10K?)

No, the exact value is not critical.

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Monitoring outgoing PSK31 Signal

2009-09-22 Thread Donald Wines
I believe the IMD meter is still available here:
http://usinterface.com/naviusa_002.htm

Don,
K5DW

Julian, G4ILO wrote:

 There used to be a very useful tool called the IMD Meter designed by
 KK7UQ
 which you could buy from US Interface. Sadly it appears to be no longer
 available since the owner of US Interface became a SK. You can still
 find
 information about it if you use Google. If anyone knows where you can
 still
 get these things I'd like to know, because I have one and wrote about
 it on
 my website, and I'm often asked where you can get them from.



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[Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Hans H Vollmer
hi, fellow elecrafters,

if you should have a problem with the 13 kOhm resistor,
take two.
47k in parallel with an 18kOhm resistor, both SMD, solded together as 
piggyback onto the solderpads.
It  fits great.

73 from Germany
Hans, DF5SR
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[Elecraft] KXV3A Upgrade

2009-09-22 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

Just received and installed the KXV3A Upgrade.  Oddly you receive 
the whole KXV3A package including PCB, connector panel, TMP cable 
and hardware.  For an upgrade only the PCB is required.

When reinstalling the KIO3 assembly the TMP cable to the KXV3A has 
to fit in a notch in the KIO3 main board adjacent to the side panel. 
This is a pretty tight fit and I find it a lot easier to do by 
removing the rearmost side panel screws so that the panel can be 
sprung out a little.

Now to put the old KXV3 with RF protection mod into the post to W6.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


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[Elecraft] K3 VHf use

2009-09-22 Thread Maarten
Since one week I am a K3 owner with the KXV3A option. When hooking up the
XV50,144,222,432 transverters I noticed that the only option with the K3 and
the KXV3A is separate transmit and receive IF ports. Is there a setting in
the K3 to share a single IF port for TX and RX? It would save me some
cables.

 

Also is there a setting in the K3 that when one switches from SSB to CW the
frequency is automatically adjusted for the CW offset. This is really handy
for VHF/UHF work as there is often a mix of SSB and CW signals during band
openings. One often switches from SSB to CW for a weak CW DX signal. It is
very frustrating having to retune the weak station when switching modes. The
Icom 756 and Flexradio PowerSDR have this option. The K3 with the excellent
XV transverters should have this option available too.

 

73 Maarten N1DZ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Monitoring outgoing PSK31 Signal

2009-09-22 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ron,

The K2 has no provision for aural monitoring of digital mode audio.  You 
can get that from your computer speakers if you want to hear it.  BUT - 
that is only for inbound audio, and has nothing to do with the 
transmitted signal.  The advice of others to use an IMD meter is a good one.

If you wish tohear the received audio in the speaker while sending audio 
to the compter soundcard, there is a way,  and it involves adding a 
fixed audio output to the K2 that can be used to drive the soundcard - 
that leaves the AF gain control as normal while providing a fixed audio 
level to the soundcard.  See my website www.w3fpr.com for more information.
Tom Hammond is currently providing board for this fixed audio addition 
to the K2, but his supply is running short - for information about the 
boards, go to www.n0ss.net and look in the K2 related file section.

73,
Don W3FPR

KM4VX wrote:
 I have searched the archives but cannot find anything concerning how to
 monitor the outgoing PSK31 signal from the K2. In the PRO3 one just pushes
 the Monitor button. I am using the SignaLink USB interface with Digipan
 software at 5 watts. I would like to check my outgoing audio. Thanks. Ron
   
   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VHf use

2009-09-22 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:01:27 -0400, Maarten n...@cox.net wrote:

Since one week I am a K3 owner with the KXV3A option. When hooking up the
XV50,144,222,432 transverters I noticed that the only option with the K3 and
the KXV3A is separate transmit and receive IF ports. Is there a setting in
the K3 to share a single IF port for TX and RX? It would save me some
cables.

 

Also is there a setting in the K3 that when one switches from SSB to CW the
frequency is automatically adjusted for the CW offset. This is really handy
for VHF/UHF work as there is often a mix of SSB and CW signals during band
openings. One often switches from SSB to CW for a weak CW DX signal. It is
very frustrating having to retune the weak station when switching modes. The
Icom 756 and Flexradio PowerSDR have this option. The K3 with the excellent
XV transverters should have this option available too.

 

73 Maarten N1DZ 

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When using the K3 to switch between USB and CW you must set the CW
offset to CW REV by holding the ALT button which will switch the CW
output to USB.  The normal CW offsets to LSB.  That is why you are
having to retune.

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1 and other small kits.

2 W2's on order
1 K144XV on order

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 Monitoring outgoing PSK31 Signal

2009-09-22 Thread KM4VX

I appreciate the helpful responses. My objective was to hear the audio output
of the PSK31 signal from the K2. That appears to be impossible and probably
unnecessary provided the ALC reading is correct. I believe my ALC was a bit
high, and after lowering it to just above one bar on the meter I am able to
work DX stations throughout Europe and into Latin America with 5 watts using
a decent vertical. I don't need the IMD meter but will keep the
recommendations on file. QRP is a real challenge with PSK31; otherwise I
think I would use E-Mail. Nice that there is something in this hobby for
everyone.

KM4VX wrote:
 
 I have searched the archives but cannot find anything concerning how to
 monitor the outgoing PSK31 signal from the K2. In the PRO3 one just pushes
 the Monitor button. I am using the SignaLink USB interface with Digipan
 software at 5 watts. I would like to check my outgoing audio. Thanks. Ron
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Alan Bloom
On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 19:08 -0400, amstel78 wrote:

 So would it be advisable to wait for the P3 to come out before
 performing this modification?  If it's not really needed, then what's
 the point?  My antenna system isn't that great anyway...

I need to do some more experimenting to get a better handle on this, but
I think it just depends on conditions.  With the K3 preamp off on a
quiet band (e.g. VHF) you definitely want the mod.  On 80 meters in the
summertime it's not necessary.  If you don't do the mod you might need
to use the preamp more often than you otherwise would.

There's no reason not to do the modification other than the hassle
factor.  The P3 automatically bypasses its own preamplifier if the
signal starts to over-range.

Alan N1AL


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Brett Howard
Are there any thoughts as to the accuracy level in dBm in correlation
with this mod?  As well as any sort of absolute accuracy specs on what
we expect to see with this box?

On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 16:58 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-09-22 at 19:08 -0400, amstel78 wrote:
 
  So would it be advisable to wait for the P3 to come out before
  performing this modification?  If it's not really needed, then what's
  the point?  My antenna system isn't that great anyway...
 
 I need to do some more experimenting to get a better handle on this, but
 I think it just depends on conditions.  With the K3 preamp off on a
 quiet band (e.g. VHF) you definitely want the mod.  On 80 meters in the
 summertime it's not necessary.  If you don't do the mod you might need
 to use the preamp more often than you otherwise would.
 
 There's no reason not to do the modification other than the hassle
 factor.  The P3 automatically bypasses its own preamplifier if the
 signal starts to over-range.
 
 Alan N1AL
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VHf use

2009-09-22 Thread Maarten
Yes I figured that one out. Going from SSB to CWrev I still have to retune
(+600Hz) to copy CW as the CW signal is at zero beat. Going from CW to SSB I
have to tune 600Hz down.
If you work VHF/UHF you understand what a convenience it is when you change
from SSB to CW mode, that the zero beat frequency shifts by whatever your
selected CW pitch is so you do not have to retune again.

Maarten N1DZ
 
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From: Radio Amateur N5GE [mailto:n...@n5ge.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:46 PM
To: Maarten
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VHf use

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:01:27 -0400, Maarten n...@cox.net wrote:

Since one week I am a K3 owner with the KXV3A option. When hooking up the
XV50,144,222,432 transverters I noticed that the only option with the K3
and
the KXV3A is separate transmit and receive IF ports. Is there a setting in
the K3 to share a single IF port for TX and RX? It would save me some
cables.

 

Also is there a setting in the K3 that when one switches from SSB to CW the
frequency is automatically adjusted for the CW offset. This is really handy
for VHF/UHF work as there is often a mix of SSB and CW signals during band
openings. One often switches from SSB to CW for a weak CW DX signal. It is
very frustrating having to retune the weak station when switching modes.
The
Icom 756 and Flexradio PowerSDR have this option. The K3 with the excellent
XV transverters should have this option available too.

 

73 Maarten N1DZ 

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[snip]

When using the K3 to switch between USB and CW you must set the CW
offset to CW REV by holding the ALT button which will switch the CW
output to USB.  The normal CW offsets to LSB.  That is why you are
having to retune.

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1 and other small kits.

2 W2's on order
1 K144XV on order

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[Elecraft] [K2] KAT100 error

2009-09-22 Thread W4HDM

My KAT100 was working fine then developed a problem recently.
For those wondering what happened to my for sale listing this is why I
removed it.

At first the tune sequence would tune at times and other times it would stay
at 9.9-1 and the lights would work most of the time. (Using a dummy load as
well as an antenna)

I checked the solder connections in the KAT100 and retouched a few. I
noticed no change in behavior. I put the radio away for a few days and
revisited the problem today  

Before doing anything I did a SWR Bridge alignment on the KPA100 just to be
sure nothing had changed. I adjusted for 0 voltage using a DMM as instructed
in the manual.

Currently, the tune sequence gives a 1.0-1 reading on the K2 meter but the
scale lights on the KAT100 do not light up while tuning or when keying. The
antenna and power lights are working properly.

When keying 100 watts into a dummy load the power is reduced by various
amounts depending on the band and the K2 shows HI Refl, the same symptoms
using an antenna. 

Using the menu for tuner readings, after hitting tune in the dummy load, I
get:

L00.4
C0.08
nET2
t 197
E243
Init
F1.05
L0-L8 get relay clicks as well as 
C0-C8 and
N1-N2

I am using the The KAT100/KPA100 in their own enclosure.

Any help on where I should start from here to solve the problem?

Thanks,
Damon 

(Don .. I sent you an email on this when the symptoms first started, maybe
it was lost in SPAM)


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Re: [Elecraft] In Fear and Trepidation

2009-09-22 Thread Neal

Thanks Lee,

We often forget what we had compared to what we have now.  Modern rigs, with
Elecraft being the epitome, are so superior that chasing a station around
the band is a thing of the past.  Of course, the exception is Straight Key
Night with the nostalgia of chirp , drift, and more.

72/73, Neal WA6OCP


Lee Buller wrote:
 
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 I guess it is a matter of perception...but I am glad for today's modern
 day receivers.  They are vastly - (and that is an understatement)
 better...from the 60's and have gotten better year and year over the
 decades.  We've all grown with the hobby and I wonder if we need to stand
 back and reflect on where we have come from (short term and long term) and
 really appreciate the technology around us today.
 
 Lee Buller
 K0WA
 
 
  In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you
 don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you
 can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some
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Re: [Elecraft] In Fear and Trepidation

2009-09-22 Thread Dale Putnam

And the excitement, and memories found so fondly during the Classic Exchange 
event.

With the Johnson rigs, the Heathkit, there were Collins, Drakes, Hallis, HRO, 
SX, DX100s, and DX40s, Eico 720s, and more.. and during the Classic Exchange, 
part of the exchange is finding out what it is you are talking to... 
sometimes it was right obvious, other times, I had to be told. Then, there 
were a handful of K2s running qrp... too. 

--... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy


 
 Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:49:00 -0700
 From: wir...@prodigy.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] In Fear and Trepidation
 
 
 Thanks Lee,
 
 We often forget what we had compared to what we have now. Modern rigs, with
 Elecraft being the epitome, are so superior that chasing a station around
 the band is a thing of the past. Of course, the exception is Straight Key
 Night with the nostalgia of chirp , drift, and more.
 
 72/73, Neal WA6OCP
 
 
 Lee Buller wrote:
  
  ..
  I guess it is a matter of perception...but I am glad for today's modern
  day receivers. They are vastly - (and that is an understatement)
  better...from the 60's and have gotten better year and year over the
  decades. We've all grown with the hobby and I wonder if we need to stand
  back and reflect on where we have come from (short term and long term) and
  really appreciate the technology around us today.
  
  Lee Buller
  K0WA
  
  
  In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you
  don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you
  can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some
  Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine?
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Re: [Elecraft] Nabble, missing messages

2009-09-22 Thread Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

I've heard that Nabble has made changes to fix the posting problem.  If you
have new examples of missing received messages that happen after now, please
let me know.

ab2tc wrote:
 
 No, the meassage I was looking for was from Phil, NS7P, dated 2009-09-20
 1:07:13 with the subject  [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Announcement -
 frequency change and was announcing yesterday's net and the QSY. 
 
 I am responding here as I do think this should be of interest to other
 people. Nabble is *very* convenient and I use it whenever I can. BTW, I
 have never had any problems posting through Nabble, only finding the
 messages I want to respond to.
 
 AB2TC - Knut
 
 
 Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU wrote:
 
 Knut,
 I set up the additional archives for the convenience of easy web searches
 and for easy topic sorting.
 
 snip
 However, I did a quick search on 14.314 and found a message from
 yesterday about the net frequency. 
   http://n2.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?forum=365791local=yquery=14.314
 Is this the message you were looking for?
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 Leigh/WA5ZNU
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VHf use

2009-09-22 Thread Jessie Oberreuter

  As a frequent VHF contester, I know what you mean!  Fortunately, 
there is a setting on the K3 that lets you simply send CW while in SSB 
mode, and it takes care of all of the offsets for you!  Alas, I don't 
recall what it is, but it was added to the firmware several months ago. 
Try it!  You'll like it!




On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Maarten wrote:

 Yes I figured that one out. Going from SSB to CWrev I still have to retune
 (+600Hz) to copy CW as the CW signal is at zero beat. Going from CW to SSB I
 have to tune 600Hz down.
 If you work VHF/UHF you understand what a convenience it is when you change
 from SSB to CW mode, that the zero beat frequency shifts by whatever your
 selected CW pitch is so you do not have to retune again.

 Maarten N1DZ

 -Original Message-
 From: Radio Amateur N5GE [mailto:n...@n5ge.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:46 PM
 To: Maarten
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 VHf use

 On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:01:27 -0400, Maarten n...@cox.net wrote:

 Since one week I am a K3 owner with the KXV3A option. When hooking up the
 XV50,144,222,432 transverters I noticed that the only option with the K3
 and
 the KXV3A is separate transmit and receive IF ports. Is there a setting in
 the K3 to share a single IF port for TX and RX? It would save me some
 cables.



 Also is there a setting in the K3 that when one switches from SSB to CW the
 frequency is automatically adjusted for the CW offset. This is really handy
 for VHF/UHF work as there is often a mix of SSB and CW signals during band
 openings. One often switches from SSB to CW for a weak CW DX signal. It is
 very frustrating having to retune the weak station when switching modes.
 The
 Icom 756 and Flexradio PowerSDR have this option. The K3 with the excellent
 XV transverters should have this option available too.



 73 Maarten N1DZ

 __
 [snip]

 When using the K3 to switch between USB and CW you must set the CW
 offset to CW REV by holding the ALT button which will switch the CW
 output to USB.  The normal CW offsets to LSB.  That is why you are
 having to retune.

 Tom, N5GE

 n...@n5ge.com
 K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6,
 XV144, XV432, KRC2,
 W1 and other small kits.

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 1 K144XV on order

 http://www.n5ge.com
 http://www.swotrc.net



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Re: [Elecraft] In Fear and Trepidation

2009-09-22 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Modern rigs, with Elecraft being the epitome, are so superior that chasing
a station around
the band is a thing of the past.

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While I have no argument with the sentiment, superior is in the mind of
the user. 

I greatly appreciate state-of-the-art, having worked with the most current
designs required for aviation and shipboard communications as well as with
Ham band rigs like the Elecraft designs. 

But are they superior to older gear in significant ways other than that
needed for highly-competitive radiosporting? 

That's an open question in my mind. I've flown a variety of light planes,
but would never compare them to an airliner. They're two different worlds
even though we share the same airspace with balloons, ultralights and hang
gliders. I find the same is true with radios on the Ham bands. 

Radiosporting is only one part of Ham radio. There are many other aspects.
There's a different skill involved in working stations using a regen
receiver or even an old Hammarlund (or whatever) that can drift, and there's
a different skill involved when working stations with fixed-frequency
crystal controlled rig running moderate power as compared to a rig that
VFO's quickly - even hopping between bands - and can crank out anything from
100 watts to the limit (and beyond ;-). 

State of the art is the state of the mind for only some who share the
Ham bands. There are many others who have an equal right to share the
frequencies for whom state of the art is immaterial to their enjoyment of
our hobby. Many of them delight in operating old gear and demonstrating the
extraordinary skill they require. And, from the e-mails I've exchanged with
other Elecraft owners over the past decade since I built my K2, many of them
own Elecraft rigs as well. We don't hear a lot from them because they are
extremely happy with what their Elecraft rig delivers. Not being
highly-competitive radiosporters, they aren't concerned with getting a lot
of extra features that might help them save microseconds to win the next
contest. They're quite happy with the core features they have, whether it's
a K1, KX1, K2 or K3 on their operating desk, and consider any shortcomings
they find to be something to overcome with greater skill at the key or mic,
just as Hams have for a century now. 

Nor do they have an issue with the radiosporters who worry about saving
microseconds in a contest, just as I don't worry about the guy with the high
performance airplane while I'm enjoying the sky doing a few lazy rolls in a
PT13 or J3 cub. 

Like the sky above, Ham radio has a huge range of people who find their own
enjoyment on the airwaves. 

Ron AC7AC

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[Elecraft] K3: IF output buffer gain modification

2009-09-22 Thread Al Lorona
 Are there any thoughts as to the accuracy level in dBm in correlation
 with this mod?  As well as any sort of absolute accuracy specs on what
 we expect to see with this box?

The absolute accuracy will almost certainly not be better than about +/- 2.0 
dB... which is the best that spectrum analyzers from RohdeSchwarz, Agilent, 
and others could do.

Most people are quite surprised to hear that their US$70,000 spectrum analyzer 
could be off by 2.0 dB. But that is the reality. An error analysis of a 
spectrum analysis measurement is well-known:  frequency response, mismatch, IF 
gain (reference level), and calibrator uncertainty all come into play. The 
result is somewhere in the neighborhood of +/- 1.8 dB or worse. That is 
considered quite good! When making a relative measurement (the difference 
between two signals) it's even worse. For more information and specific 
examples, see http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5968-3659E.pdf .

The main thing to remember is that a panadaptor display is good, but it's not 
absolutely accurate in power. If you need excellent power accuracy, you must 
use a power meter. 

There are a lot of stages before the P3 panadaptor that conspire to increase 
the measurement uncertainty. Consider that before the signal even reaches the 
receiver it has already undergone the loss in the transmission line and the 
connectors. Do you know exactly how much loss you have in your transmission 
line and connectors? Following this, the signal then hits the receiver input 
which is not exactly 50 ohms. It could be 20. Or 90. Because it's not exactly 
50, there is mismatch uncertainty. Already two errors right there.

On the inside of the rx, there are a number of switches, cables, and bandpass 
filters (with amplitude ripple), then an attenuator and RF amp, mixer, and 
post-mixer amp.  Take the attenuator for example. It might claim that its loss 
is -10 dB, but that's a nominal value that will actually be different for every 
K3. Each of the stages mentioned has an uncertainty in its gain, loss, or match 
which must be added to the total uncertainty. 

So these are all of the errors that add up to the figure I quoted at the 
outset. You might have better accuracy that this, but the point is you won't 
know if you do, so you must assume the worst case. 

Al  W6LX

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[Elecraft] K2 cannot be swithed ON properly.

2009-09-22 Thread Ueli Zulauf
After years of operation my K2 cannot be swithed ON properly.
- Configuration: K2 (No. 3680) with KDSP2, KSB2, KNB2, KAT2, K160RX.
- By switching ON the display shows Elecraft for 3 seconds and thereafter the 
last used frequency (28.15 MHz).
- All keys and the VFO are inactive.
- Current drain is 400mA (to high).
- Noise of several relays during power-ON is audible.
- Speaker brings (AF-gain dependend) audio for  1 second and thereafter the 
audio is muted.
- by changing TX power, the level appears on display as normal.
- Transmit is not possible.
- LED on KDSP2 extinguish after  1 second (communication schould be OK)
- 5 VDC and 8 VDC on the control board are OK.

Has someone a good idea how to de-freeze this blocked K2 ?

73, Ueli / HB9MFK
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VHf use

2009-09-22 Thread Richard Ferch
Maarten,

There are two related but different configuration options for the 
situation you describe. The first option lets you use your CW paddles or 
key while the radio is in SSB mode. The newer option (so far in beta 
firmware only) adjusts the offset so that when you switch modes from SSB 
to CW, you do not have to retune the radio.

The first one is documented in the current Owner's Manual; it is called 
CW-in-SSB. Quoting from the K3 Firmware Release Notes for firmware 
version 1.87:

CW KEYING IN SSB MODES:  While in SSB modes, you can now send CW 
without changing modes or using an offset. The other station will hear 
the signal at your CW pitch. This is especially useful on VHF bands when 
SSB signals can’t be copied. To enable this feature, go into CONFIG:CW 
WGHT and tap '1' until you see SSB +CW.

You can also use this option for cross-mode QSOs. Interfaced logging 
software will record the QSO as an SSB QSO, since the radio is still in 
SSB mode.

The second option was added in firmware beta release 3.19 and is not yet 
in the Owner's Manual. From the K3 Firmware Release Notes:

AUTOMATIC CW VFO OFFSET ON MODE CHANGE: Allows switching quickly 
between SSB and CW mode without either you or the other station
having to re-tune the VFO (often done on 6 meters and transverter 
bands). First, locate CONFIG:CW WGHT and tap '5' on the keypad until you 
see VFO OFS. From then on, when switching to CW mode from any other
mode, the VFO will be offset by an amount equal to your sidetone pitch
(as set using the PITCH switch in CW mode). If the sideband most 
recently used on this band is USB, the VFO will be shifted UP; if it was 
LSB, the VFO will be shifted DOWN.

Note: If you make frequent use of this feature, you may want to
use CW reverse on bands where you use USB, and CW normal
on bands where you use LSB. This results in perfect pitch matching
when listening to a CW signal and switching from SSB to CW.

You must download and install beta release firmware 3.19 or newer to use 
this option; I believe it will be included in the next regular 
production release.

73,
Rich VE3KI




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea

2009-09-22 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
Once yo make this change I can see an advantage to offering a 1.5 KHz 
coarse tuning option for SSB mode, between the 1.0 and 2.5 currently 
offered.

Leigh/WA5ZNU

Wayne N6KR wrote:
 ...
 Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further  
 assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e.,  
 your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go  
 into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with  
 present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the  
 nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0  
 kHz
   

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