Re: [Elecraft] K3 10 Watt Version - How much actual power out?

2010-01-17 Thread Val
Dean,

K3 is QRP compared to K2. 12W only!

73 Val LZ1VB


I presently have a K2 with 15 to 17 watts out. When I need QRO it runs my 
AL-811H amp up to a few hundred watts so I have never needed the 100 watt 
finals.

 I am thinking that I will be able to do the same thing with the K3 as long 
 as it has about the same output.

 For those with the 10 watt model, it would be helpful to know what your 
 actual power out is.

 Thanks!

 Dean

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Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread David Cutter
In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose pre audio, ie 
with no discernable delays.  One of the biggest annoyances I've had in a 
contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic because they 
don't or can't listen to a monitor of their own voice.  Feedback is also a 
problem, but, on balance, I prefer a little side tone in my ear.  One reason 
I don't like mobile phones - no side tone.

David
G3UNA



- Original Message - 
From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com


 Is it possible to select pre vs. post audio for the MON?

 I'll take a look, but no promises or New Year's resolutions :-)

 73,

 Lyle KK7P 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 10 Watt Version - How much actual power out?

2010-01-17 Thread elecr...@astromag.co.uk
Dean, running the driver flat out or indeed the PA at full power 
creates a high level of 3rd order IMD. If you run the K3 around 1/4 
power the IMD on SSB transmit reduces by around 10 dB. It's not that the 
K3 is particularly bad in this regard, almost all 12 Volt PA 
transceivers are like it. My recommendation would be to opt for the 100 
Watt PA and run into your linear at 15 ~ 25 Watts or so.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
===
I presently have a K2 with 15 to 17 watts out. When I need QRO it runs 
my AL-811H amp up to a few hundred watts so I have never needed the 100 
watt finals.

I am thinking that I will be able to do the same thing with the K3 as 
long as it has about the same output.

For those with the 10 watt model, it would be helpful to know what your 
actual power out is.

Thanks!

Dean

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Re: [Elecraft] bias for Yamaha CM-500

2010-01-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
David,

It is not critical.  Look at the reflector post by Jim Brown in the last 
couple days - I received it 01/15/2010 at 12:06 Eastern time.  Jim is 
quite familiar with the microphone and explains it much better than I can.

73,
Don W3FPR

David Christ wrote:
 I'm trying to understand the bias requirements for the CM-500 
 specifically and electret/condenser (which is it) mikes in general.

 Yamaha's adaptor uses 3V  (2 AAA batteries) in series with a 2.2K 
 resistor and a 1 microfarad DC blocking capacitor.   I would rather 
 not depend on batteries.  My reading of the KSB2 manual says to use 
 10K fed from 5V while I have heard that it should be 10K for this 
 unit. I am not sure what my K3 is supplies.  I would also like to use 
 the mike with a Kenwood TS-940.  That rig has 8V available at the 
 mike connector.  So if I build an adaptor to use with that rig what 
 is the proper value resistor to use?  Or should I build a quickie 3V 
 regulator fed from the 8V and then use a 2.2K resistor?  I presume I 
 would need some value of DC blocking capacitor for the Kenwood.

 How does one determine the proper voltages and resistance values?  Is 
 it to get a specific voltage, current or what?  How close do you have 
 to be or is it non-critical?  What difference does it make?  Where 
 can one find information?

 Thanks all from an old timer who is still trying to get up to date 
 from the dynamic and crystal mikes of the 60s and 70s.

 David K0LUM
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[Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread ted orant
I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all contact.

I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...

Location :United Kingdom London
Name:ted  orant
Amount Needed :1450pounds

That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
 the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

Hope to hear from you .
ted.

Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Andrew Moore
Common scam.


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted  orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
  the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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[Elecraft] Re: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Johnny Siu
correct, one of my colleague in Hong Kong fell into this trap.



- 郵件原件 
寄件人﹕ Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
收件人﹕ ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
傳送日期﹕ 2010/1/17 (日) 9:47:30 PM
主題: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

Common scam.


On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted  orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
  the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Steve Ellington
Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1, 
K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


 Common scam.


 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all 
 contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted  orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
  the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] Is the K2 old technology

2010-01-17 Thread R. Kevin Stover
I'm in the same boat as you and my choice was made over a year ago.
I will be getting a K3. The K3 is a little bit better than the O2 in 
specs but the thing that swings it for me is the fantastic Elecraft 
support. I think I read on the reflector that the O2's firmware hasn't 
been updated in over a year. How many K3 updates have been sent out this 
last year?

As for the K3 vs. K2 question,
K3 has the better receiver although the K2 can put to shame some of the 
mid level rigs being sold today. K3 is an all mode TX/RX where the K2 is 
CW/SSB.
The K2 has much lower power consumption than the K3 owing to it's design 
as a QRP rig and lack of bells and whistles.

I like to think that comparing the K2 to the K3 is like comparing the 
Kenwood TS-520 to the Kenwood TS-830 of yore.

Bert Craig wrote:
 Was Conway's question ever adequately explored/answered? As a current K2/100
 ( K1) owner and prospective buyer of a K3, I'd love to hear the opinions of
 those who already own both rigs. The Ten-Tec Orion II is also on the table
 with regard to my anticipated 2010 present to myself. (My off-duty
 commanding officer has already approved the purchase - hihi.) HNY to all.
 Take care es...

 Vy 73 de Bert
 WA2SI


 -Original Message-
 From: Conway Yee [mailto:y...@bronze.lcs.mit.edu] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 11:02 PM
 To: Vic K2VCO
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is the K2 old technology

 In what sense does the K3 outperform the K2?

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Re: [Elecraft] bias for Yamaha CM-500

2010-01-17 Thread Hector Padron
I have my CM-500 that arrived yesterday directly to the radio rear mic input 
and the BIAS enabled at rP.L bIAS and it works great.Don't know how many 
volts the K3 produce in that setting but the headphone set works very good.
 
AD4C
 


For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:


From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] bias for Yamaha CM-500
To: David Christ radio...@mchsi.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 1:11 PM


David,

It is not critical.  Look at the reflector post by Jim Brown in the last 
couple days - I received it 01/15/2010 at 12:06 Eastern time.  Jim is 
quite familiar with the microphone and explains it much better than I can.

73,
Don W3FPR

David Christ wrote:
 I'm trying to understand the bias requirements for the CM-500 
 specifically and electret/condenser (which is it) mikes in general.

 Yamaha's adaptor uses 3V  (2 AAA batteries) in series with a 2.2K 
 resistor and a 1 microfarad DC blocking capacitor.   I would rather 
 not depend on batteries.  My reading of the KSB2 manual says to use 
 10K fed from 5V while I have heard that it should be 10K for this 
 unit. I am not sure what my K3 is supplies.  I would also like to use 
 the mike with a Kenwood TS-940.  That rig has 8V available at the 
 mike connector.  So if I build an adaptor to use with that rig what 
 is the proper value resistor to use?  Or should I build a quickie 3V 
 regulator fed from the 8V and then use a 2.2K resistor?  I presume I 
 would need some value of DC blocking capacitor for the Kenwood.

 How does one determine the proper voltages and resistance values?  Is 
 it to get a specific voltage, current or what?  How close do you have 
 to be or is it non-critical?  What difference does it make?  Where 
 can one find information?

 Thanks all from an old timer who is still trying to get up to date 
 from the dynamic and crystal mikes of the 60s and 70s.

 David K0LUM
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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Andrew Moore
 Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

Identity / email theft.
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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Hector Padron
Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on 40M 
several times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers all over 
the net and I will say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet until we know 
all the facts.
Its just a thought.
 
AD4C
 


For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:


From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com, 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM


Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1, 
K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


 Common scam.


 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all 
 contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted  orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
  the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Andrew Moore
I have no doubt that Ted didn't write the scam.  Someone just grabbed his
identity.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on
 40M several times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers
 all over the net and I will say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet
 until we know all the facts.
 Its just a thought.

 AD4C



 For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

 --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:


 From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com,
 Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM


 Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
 K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

 Steve
 N4LQ
 n...@carolina.rr.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
 To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


  Common scam.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
 
  I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
  London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
  night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
  and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
  my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
  contact.
 
  I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
  helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
  and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
  the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
  am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
  all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...
 
  Location :United Kingdom London
  Name:ted  orant
  Amount Needed :1450pounds
 
  That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
   the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number
 ...
 
  Hope to hear from you .
  ted.
 
  Ted wb9jox
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[Elecraft] Re: My predicament - how the hacker s do

2010-01-17 Thread Johnny Siu
There should be a hacker, hacking into Ted's computer and steal all the contact 
information in the address book of Ted's mail account.  Therefore, everyone on 
Ted's address book will receive this email asking for some money.  Since the 
amount requested is not significantly large, there is a chance that someone 
just believe that email and remit the funds.

One of my colleague in Hong Kong has recently fallen into this trap.  If you 
want to ascertain whether email is a valid request, send a reply to the hacker 
and ask for some precision information such what is mother's middle name or who 
was the first girl friend before marriage.  Then you will get a dead silent 
from the hacker.

The hacker always pretends to be the administrator of hotmail, gmail, yahoo or 
even paypal.  They send you a link ask you to update or reconfirm your 
information.  Once you click the link and login, then your login information 
such as user name or password will be hacked.  The address book of your mail 
account will be in the hand of the hacker.

73

Johnny SIU VR2XMC



- 郵件原件 
寄件人﹕ Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
收件人﹕ Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com
副本(CC) Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
傳送日期﹕ 2010/1/17 (日) 10:46:02 PM
主題: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

I have no doubt that Ted didn't write the scam.  Someone just grabbed his
identity.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on
 40M several times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers
 all over the net and I will say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet
 until we know all the facts.
 Its just a thought.

 AD4C



 For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

 --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:


 From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com,
 Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM


 Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
 K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

 Steve
 N4LQ
 n...@carolina.rr.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
 To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


  Common scam.
 
 
  On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
 
  I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
  London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
  night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
  and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
  my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
  contact.
 
  I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
  helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
  and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
  the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
  am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
  all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...
 
  Location :United Kingdom London
  Name:ted  orant
  Amount Needed :1450pounds
 
  That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
   the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number
 ...
 
  Hope to hear from you .
  ted.
 
  Ted wb9jox



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Re: [Elecraft] Re: My predicament - how the hacker s do

2010-01-17 Thread Phil Hystad
Unfortunately it is all too easy to spoof someone's e-mail identity.  An 
e-mail message is merely a text message where some of the text (at the 
beginning of the message stream) are headers that identify the sender, reply 
address, and other information.  The remainder of the message is the actual 
message body or information text itself.

So, anyone can fabricate an e-mail message (the rules are defined in several 
different publicly available RFCs, e.g. RFC 2822).  This was not an uncommon 
occurrence in some software technology companies, especially those with lots of 
Unix oriented programmers.  It was simple to use telnet to originate a message 
to be sent to the SMTP port on some computer.  You merely typed in the headers 
you wanted to identify the sender and reply address and the receiver could have 
no way of figuring out if the message was sent by the actual person whose 
e-mail address was used or not.  There are some ways, such as clues to which 
utility wrote the e-mail message (e.g. MS Outlook) that you could also 
fabricate.

There are ways to prevent this, such as digital encryption and using digital 
signatures, but this would require a major rework of electronic mail.  Many 
corporate e-mail systems do not use the regular RFC defined mail protocols 
unless messages are sent externally outside of the corporate e-mail system.  
Instead, they use systems such as MS Exchange or IBM Lotus Notes.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Johnny Siu wrote:

 There should be a hacker, hacking into Ted's computer and steal all the 
 contact information in the address book of Ted's mail account.  Therefore, 
 everyone on Ted's address book will receive this email asking for some money. 
  Since the amount requested is not significantly large, there is a chance 
 that someone just believe that email and remit the funds.
 
 One of my colleague in Hong Kong has recently fallen into this trap.  If you 
 want to ascertain whether email is a valid request, send a reply to the 
 hacker and ask for some precision information such what is mother's middle 
 name or who was the first girl friend before marriage.  Then you will get a 
 dead silent from the hacker.
 
 The hacker always pretends to be the administrator of hotmail, gmail, yahoo 
 or even paypal.  They send you a link ask you to update or reconfirm your 
 information.  Once you click the link and login, then your login information 
 such as user name or password will be hacked.  The address book of your mail 
 account will be in the hand of the hacker.
 
 73
 
 Johnny SIU VR2XMC
 
 
 
 - 郵件原件 
 寄件人﹕ Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
 收件人﹕ Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com
 副本(CC) Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 傳送日期﹕ 2010/1/17 (日) 10:46:02 PM
 主題: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 
 I have no doubt that Ted didn't write the scam.  Someone just grabbed his
 identity.
 
 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on
 40M several times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers
 all over the net and I will say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet
 until we know all the facts.
 Its just a thought.
 
 AD4C
 
 
 
 For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3
 
 --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com,
 Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM
 
 
 Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
 K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?
 
 Steve
 N4LQ
 n...@carolina.rr.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
 To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 
 
 Common scam.
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
 
 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
 contact.
 
 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...
 
 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted  orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds
 
 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
   the western union transfer details the 

[Elecraft] Fw: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread VE3GAM Allen McRorie
I am 100% sure that this did not come from the station indicated, in the 
message 
properties, the
originating IP address is from Lagos, Nigeria.

also, I never take any email seriously that is sent to undisclosed 
recipients, as this 
one was. I am
pretty sure you will find Ted at home in Illinois, Wisconsin or whereever he 
lives 
totlally oblivious
to all of this.

Al
- Original Message - 
From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com
To: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on 40M 
several 
times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers all over the net 
and I will 
say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet until we know all the facts.
Its just a thought.

AD4C



For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:


From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com, 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM


Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com
- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


 Common scam.


 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
 contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
 the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Dave KQ3T
Well, I'm fairly sure that Ted won't remain oblivious to this for very 
long :(

73
Dave KQ3T

VE3GAM Allen McRorie wrote:
 ...

 also, I never take any email seriously that is sent to undisclosed 
 recipients, as this 
 one was. I am
 pretty sure you will find Ted at home in Illinois, Wisconsin or whereever he 
 lives 
 totlally oblivious
 to all of this.

 Al
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Richard Squire - HB9ANM

Hi Al

Aha, so there we are, Nigeria again!

I sent an email to Ted who is most probably unaware of what's going on
there...

73
Richard - HB9ANM

VE3GAM Allen McRorie wrote:
 
 I am 100% sure that this did not come from the station indicated, in the
 message 
 properties, the
 originating IP address is from Lagos, Nigeria.
 
 also, I never take any email seriously that is sent to undisclosed
 recipients, as this 
 one was. I am
 pretty sure you will find Ted at home in Illinois, Wisconsin or whereever
 he lives 
 totlally oblivious
 to all of this.
 
 Al
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Chandler
I just got one also my 2nd in as many weeks.

Ken..G0ORH

Sent from my iPhone




On 17 Jan 2010, at 15:53, Dave KQ3T k...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, I'm fairly sure that Ted won't remain oblivious to this for very
 long :(

 73
 Dave KQ3T

 VE3GAM Allen McRorie wrote:
 ...

 also, I never take any email seriously that is sent to undisclosed  
 recipients, as this
 one was. I am
 pretty sure you will find Ted at home in Illinois, Wisconsin or  
 whereever he lives
 totlally oblivious
 to all of this.

 Al


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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread KM4VX

This is an obvious scam and it happens daily. Information that it comes from
Nigeria just confirms this. There are no honest e-mails from Nigerians;
believe it. I don't understand why these e-mails from the the Ukraine and
Nigeria continue, but they must enjoy some success. They are usually writen
in poor English, offer absurd sales or purchases and ask you to send money
in advance to unconfirmed addresses. One way to protect yourself is NEVER
send money in advance to unconfirmed addresses. This is easy with Call Signs
because one would only send money or equipment to addresses confirmed by
QRZ.com. If we HAMS follow some basic rules we should avoid these scams.
These offers are appearing more frequently now on HAM ads. I agree a fool is
born every minute, but HAMS seem to be brighter than most groups. I make no
apologies to Nigerians. I have worked at the U.S. Embassy in Lagos; there is
no greater concentration of criminals than Nigeria. Many thanks to VE3GAM
for identifying the IP address. I hope Ted notifies the FBI, which is
charged with investigating this type computer identity theft.

VE3GAM Allen McRorie wrote:
 
 I am 100% sure that this did not come from the station indicated, in the
 message 
 properties, the
 originating IP address is from Lagos, Nigeria.
 
 also, I never take any email seriously that is sent to undisclosed
 recipients, as this 
 one was. I am
 pretty sure you will find Ted at home in Illinois, Wisconsin or whereever
 he lives 
 totlally oblivious
 to all of this.
 
 Al
 - Original Message - 
 From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com
 To: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 
 
 Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on
 40M several 
 times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers all over
 the net and I will 
 say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet until we know all the facts.
 Its just a thought.
 
 AD4C
 
 
 
 For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3
 
 --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com, 
 Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM
 
 
 Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
 K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?
 
 Steve
 N4LQ
 n...@carolina.rr.com
 - Original Message - 
 From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
 To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
 
 
 Common scam.


 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
 contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
 the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread Roger Stein
Will do...K7SJ...1 KW  2-el Quad at 50' headed 'out there'!  All relays
welcome.

73, Roger
K7SJ
K3  #75
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ph...@rio.com wrote:

 Hi gang,

 It looks like neither Mark nor I will be able to make the net tomorrow.
  Therefore, it is a good time for one of you with a capable station to come
 forward and volunteer as a net control station.  It isn't
 difficult.  The pace is easy and the group is cooperative.  Remember that
 it is at 1800Z on 14.314 MHz. Go for it.  Thank you.

 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose
 pre audio, ie with no discernable delays.

If it has to be one or the other, I would strongly argue for 
no change.  One of the most important uses for monitor is 
to actually monitor the quality of one's own transmission. 
That simply can't happen if the monitor is a copy of audio 
from the mic preamp without any other processing applied by 
the transceiver. 

The delays in the K3 are not long enough provide any significant 
operational issue.  Any slight slowing of speech rate is welcome 
with some of the machine gun operators.   

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:27 AM
 To: Lyle Johnson; Guy Olinger K2AV
 Cc: pd0psb; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3
 
 
 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose
 pre audio, ie 
 with no discernable delays.  One of the biggest annoyances 
 I've had in a 
 contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic 
 because they 
 don't or can't listen to a monitor of their own voice.  
 Feedback is also a 
 problem, but, on balance, I prefer a little side tone in my 
 ear.  One reason 
 I don't like mobile phones - no side tone.
 
 David
 G3UNA
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com
 
 
  Is it possible to select pre vs. post audio for the MON?
 
  I'll take a look, but no promises or New Year's resolutions :-)
 
  73,
 
  Lyle KK7P
 
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[Elecraft] K3 Monitor Delay

2010-01-17 Thread Tom Boucher
Thanks to all those who have posted interesting responses on my MON delay 
question. Just to make it clear, this was not a complaint, just a minor 
irritation as I use CW 99% of the time anyway and for CW the K3 is the best! I 
look forward to Lyle's possible 'pre' or 'post' processing selection for MON 
audio.

73
Tom G3OLB
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[Elecraft] K3 Adjusting Vox Delay in remote

2010-01-17 Thread Natale Borghetti
I just need some helphow I can adjust the Vox Delay at my Remote K3.???

I can send command but I would like to avoid to make a special trip to my 
remote site just to adjust the VOX DELAY is that possible..??


73

Natale
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Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I can believe anyone who says that the heard delay trips them up.  At
the extreme end of this general aural phenomenon is the well-known two
or three second delay to bleep profanity on radio talk shows, which
almost always trips up the caller if they leave the radio on in the
background.

I suspect we have a grey line here, where 3 seconds on one end is a
delay that 99% can't tolerate, and what we have in processing delay in
the K3. The K3, from reading postings, does not bother a lot of
people, with some who find it USEFUL., and yet is still enough to
bother others.  That sounds like a menu option if I ever heard one,
not a request for reversal to preprocessor audio.

Fairly easy to understand. Want no delay, have to listen before
processing. Want to listen to processing have to listen after
processing, delayed by whatever processing you wanted to listen to.
For those who want pre-audio, with an option they can switch it to
post long enough to hear what's going out and set whatever, but then
they can switch it off for operating.

For what it's worth I cannot type delayed behind CW I'm copying and
have tried to do that all my life.  My contesting/traffic buddy W2CS
can type 4,5 letters behind and talk at the same time.  If I set MM to
start a return exchange before I've finished typing in a call, I'll
blow the QSO, every time, no exceptions. I HAVE to copy as I receive.
Gary doesn't.

The FT1000MP had a cw monitor setting, where you could listen to the
waveform using the key/paddle closure, or listen to the CW after the
bucket brigade delay which waited for the amp keying delay.  I could
deal with delays to about 10 ms, but after that I couldn't send. It
literally felt like the key wasn't closing and I found myself hitting
the paddle harder to make it work. At 30ms delay I was sending
gibberish. Sending hand key code with the 30ms delay was entirely
laughable.

The point: the ability to deal with delays seems a highly variable
thing for a given individual, and those bothered by delays maybe don't
have a chance of the proverbial snowball in h*** of coping with it.
And as bad as I am, the K3 speech processing delay doesn't bother me,
which only puts me somewhere on the line between the extremes.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose
 pre audio, ie with no discernable delays.

 If it has to be one or the other, I would strongly argue for
 no change.  One of the most important uses for monitor is
 to actually monitor the quality of one's own transmission.
 That simply can't happen if the monitor is a copy of audio
 from the mic preamp without any other processing applied by
 the transceiver.

 The delays in the K3 are not long enough provide any significant
 operational issue.  Any slight slowing of speech rate is welcome
 with some of the machine gun operators.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:27 AM
 To: Lyle Johnson; Guy Olinger K2AV
 Cc: pd0psb; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3


 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose
 pre audio, ie
 with no discernable delays.  One of the biggest annoyances
 I've had in a
 contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic
 because they
 don't or can't listen to a monitor of their own voice.
 Feedback is also a
 problem, but, on balance, I prefer a little side tone in my
 ear.  One reason
 I don't like mobile phones - no side tone.

 David
 G3UNA



 - Original Message -
 From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com

 
  Is it possible to select pre vs. post audio for the MON?
 
  I'll take a look, but no promises or New Year's resolutions :-)
 
  73,
 
  Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3 Minitoring the IF out

2010-01-17 Thread David Robertson
I know I am a day late and a dollar short because I receive the forum mail in 
journal form but some were suggesting hooking up a transceiver to monitor the 
K3's IF out.

Please note, SOME RIGS WILL PUT OUT A SHORT BURST OF RF OUT WHEN POWERED UP. 
The safest thing to do is power up the IF monitoring rig first, then hook it up 
to the K3's IF port.

73
Dave KD1NA
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Re: [Elecraft] bias for Yamaha CM-500

2010-01-17 Thread Jim Brown
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:20:27 -0600, David Christ wrote:

I'm trying to understand the bias requirements for the CM-500 
specifically and electret/condenser (which is it) mikes in general.

Go back and read the post I made two days ago on this topic. It 
tells you EXACTLY what to do. In short, tip to mic input, ring to 8V 
through a resistor in the 5K to 10K range. If you want to know more, 
see http://audiosystemsgroup.com/HamInterfacing.pdf  

and the tutorial on audio in an appendix of 

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

73,

Jim K9YC





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[Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Randy Hall
Hi,

I am starting to get the my K3 integrated into my station.

I am thinking about building a breakout box to bring several of the pins on
the ACC connector out to RCA jacks.

I was wondering if I just hack off one end of a standard VGA cable if the
cable has enough wires in it to get to all the pins on the ACC connector?
Or, get a 15 pin VGA connector and make up my own cable?

Comments from the K3 community?

Randy
K7AGE
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 10 Watt Version - How much actual power out?

2010-01-17 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:27:25 -0800, Dean o...@mytargets.com wrote:

I have the 100 watt version, but when the rig changes over to low
power I can hear a relay click.  If I check the power out with the
Control software of the W2 my output is 11.9 watts.  Some rigs may be
different.  My voltage drops to 11.5 volts from 13.2 with the key down
due to a long power cord from my voltage source to the K3.  I suspect
the output would be higher if the cord were shorter or heavier.

When I am operating on 30m and feel like I need the full 200w there I
set the power on the K3 at around 3 watts.  Driving my Alpha 87A with
that power gets me 200w on 30m.

73,

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1, 2 W2's and other small kits

1 K144XV on order

http://www.n5ge.com
http://www.swotrc.net

I presently have a K2 with 15 to 17 watts out. When I need QRO it runs my 
AL-811H amp up to a few hundred watts so I have never needed the 100 watt 
finals.

I am thinking that I will be able to do the same thing with the K3 as long as 
it has about the same output.

For those with the 10 watt model, it would be helpful to know what your actual 
power out is.

Thanks!

Dean
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread Terry Schieler

Heard no trace of the SSB net today.  Listened from 1750 till 1820.  I
assumed the net might be waiting for the QSOs to clear from 14.316 and
14.313, but nothing happened after they cleared either.  Was the net
convened on a different freq?

Terry, W0FM

-Original Message-
From: Roger Stein [mailto:burch.cr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:17 AM
To: ph...@rio.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

Will do...K7SJ...1 KW  2-el Quad at 50' headed 'out there'!  All relays
welcome.

73, Roger
K7SJ
K3  #75
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ph...@rio.com wrote:

 Hi gang,

 It looks like neither Mark nor I will be able to make the net tomorrow.
  Therefore, it is a good time for one of you with a capable station to
come
 forward and volunteer as a net control station.  It isn't
 difficult.  The pace is easy and the group is cooperative.  Remember that
 it is at 1800Z on 14.314 MHz. Go for it.  Thank you.

 73,

 Phil, NS7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Dick Dievendorff
The standard VGA cables may omit or combine key pins. Some people have  
found Y connectors with all 15 pins connected. There is a small  
commercial device that has a 15 pin connector attached to a PC board  
with screw connectors for all 15 wires. I'm away from my PC now but  
these are discussed in the archives of this forum.

Dick, K6KR


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 17, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Randy Hall listk7...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I am starting to get the my K3 integrated into my station.

 I am thinking about building a breakout box to bring several of the  
 pins on
 the ACC connector out to RCA jacks.

 I was wondering if I just hack off one end of a standard VGA cable  
 if the
 cable has enough wires in it to get to all the pins on the ACC  
 connector?
 Or, get a 15 pin VGA connector and make up my own cable?

 Comments from the K3 community?

 Randy
 K7AGE
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread Roger Stein
Yes, Terry, I called a QST for the net at approx 10 AM and moved to what was
clear at this QTH. That happened to be 14.310.
We ran until about 1830 or so. I was trying to hold the 14.314 freq earlier
but got called away to fix an RFI into some speakers!
That brief pause was enough for another station to take up residency at
14.313 on this end!!

Approx 20 check-ins...more later.

73, Roger K7SJ
K3 #75

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Terry Schieler 
terry.schie...@wirelessusa.com wrote:


 Heard no trace of the SSB net today.  Listened from 1750 till 1820.  I
 assumed the net might be waiting for the QSOs to clear from 14.316 and
 14.313, but nothing happened after they cleared either.  Was the net
 convened on a different freq?

 Terry, W0FM

 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Stein [mailto:burch.cr...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: ph...@rio.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

  Will do...K7SJ...1 KW  2-el Quad at 50' headed 'out there'!  All relays
 welcome.

 73, Roger
 K7SJ
 K3  #75
 On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ph...@rio.com wrote:

  Hi gang,
 
  It looks like neither Mark nor I will be able to make the net tomorrow.
   Therefore, it is a good time for one of you with a capable station to
 come
  forward and volunteer as a net control station.  It isn't
  difficult.  The pace is easy and the group is cooperative.  Remember that
  it is at 1800Z on 14.314 MHz. Go for it.  Thank you.
 
  73,
 
  Phil, NS7P
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Nicely
You did a nice job running the net Roger.  Thanks for running it.

Ken  N3PSJ

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Roger Stein burch.cr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Will do...K7SJ...1 KW  2-el Quad at 50' headed 'out there'!  All relays
 welcome.

 73, Roger
 K7SJ
 K3  #75
 On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM, ph...@rio.com wrote:

  Hi gang,
 
  It looks like neither Mark nor I will be able to make the net tomorrow.
   Therefore, it is a good time for one of you with a capable station to
 come
  forward and volunteer as a net control station.  It isn't
  difficult.  The pace is easy and the group is cooperative.  Remember that
  it is at 1800Z on 14.314 MHz. Go for it.  Thank you.
 
  73,
 
  Phil, NS7P
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Re: [Elecraft] Fw: My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Philippe Trottet
And Nigeria is one of the well known countries for hackers and crooks.
Bst 73's
Philippe A65BI

 VE3GAM Allen McRorie ve3...@rogers.com 17-01-2010 19:37 
I am 100% sure that this did not come from the station indicated, in the 
message 
properties, the
originating IP address is from Lagos, Nigeria.

also, I never take any email seriously that is sent to undisclosed 
recipients, as this 
one was. I am
pretty sure you will find Ted at home in Illinois, Wisconsin or whereever he 
lives 
totlally oblivious
to all of this.

Al
- Original Message - 
From: Hector Padron ad4c2...@yahoo.com
To: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


Guys maybe Ted is not the one who wrotte that scam,I have talked to him on 40M 
several 
times and he seemed to be a very decent guy,there are scammers all over the net 
and I will 
say this is one of them.Don't blame him yet until we know all the facts.
Its just a thought.

AD4C



For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com wrote:


From: Steve Ellington n...@carolina.rr.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament
To: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com, ted1...@operamail.com, 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:20 PM


Interesting how the scam came from Ted Orant, WB9JOX, who is in fact a K1,
K2 owner and no doubt a list member. How's that work?

Steve
N4LQ
n...@carolina.rr.com 
- Original Message - 
From: Andrew Moore andrew.n...@gmail.com
To: ted1...@operamail.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My predicament


 Common scam.


 On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:43 AM, ted orant ted1...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
 contact.

 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information below...

 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds

 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
 the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...

 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.

 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Bob Naumann
Guy,

I agree that having the option to have either real-time un-processed or to
select processed with the delay would be best.

While using the monitor to evaluate the on-air sound of one's signal is
good, and having a slight delay when doing that is not a problem.

On the other hand, another reason for using the monitor has nothing to do
with the transmitted signal quality, but instead has all to do with proper,
clear speech.

In addition to making sure I speak clearly, I also use the monitor to remind
myself to not yell into the microphone. Having no delay when these latter
two are my intents would be helpful.

73,

Bob W5OV



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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:33 AM
To: li...@subich.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

I can believe anyone who says that the heard delay trips them up.  At
the extreme end of this general aural phenomenon is the well-known two
or three second delay to bleep profanity on radio talk shows, which
almost always trips up the caller if they leave the radio on in the
background.

I suspect we have a grey line here, where 3 seconds on one end is a
delay that 99% can't tolerate, and what we have in processing delay in
the K3. The K3, from reading postings, does not bother a lot of
people, with some who find it USEFUL., and yet is still enough to
bother others.  That sounds like a menu option if I ever heard one,
not a request for reversal to preprocessor audio.

Fairly easy to understand. Want no delay, have to listen before
processing. Want to listen to processing have to listen after
processing, delayed by whatever processing you wanted to listen to.
For those who want pre-audio, with an option they can switch it to
post long enough to hear what's going out and set whatever, but then
they can switch it off for operating.

For what it's worth I cannot type delayed behind CW I'm copying and
have tried to do that all my life.  My contesting/traffic buddy W2CS
can type 4,5 letters behind and talk at the same time.  If I set MM to
start a return exchange before I've finished typing in a call, I'll
blow the QSO, every time, no exceptions. I HAVE to copy as I receive.
Gary doesn't.

The FT1000MP had a cw monitor setting, where you could listen to the
waveform using the key/paddle closure, or listen to the CW after the
bucket brigade delay which waited for the amp keying delay.  I could
deal with delays to about 10 ms, but after that I couldn't send. It
literally felt like the key wasn't closing and I found myself hitting
the paddle harder to make it work. At 30ms delay I was sending
gibberish. Sending hand key code with the 30ms delay was entirely
laughable.

The point: the ability to deal with delays seems a highly variable
thing for a given individual, and those bothered by delays maybe don't
have a chance of the proverbial snowball in h*** of coping with it.
And as bad as I am, the K3 speech processing delay doesn't bother me,
which only puts me somewhere on the line between the extremes.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose
 pre audio, ie with no discernable delays.

 If it has to be one or the other, I would strongly argue for
 no change.  One of the most important uses for monitor is
 to actually monitor the quality of one's own transmission.
 That simply can't happen if the monitor is a copy of audio
 from the mic preamp without any other processing applied by
 the transceiver.

 The delays in the K3 are not long enough provide any significant
 operational issue.  Any slight slowing of speech rate is welcome
 with some of the machine gun operators.

 73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Cutter
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:27 AM
 To: Lyle Johnson; Guy Olinger K2AV
 Cc: pd0psb; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3


 In my view, if it has to be one or the other, I would choose
 pre audio, ie
 with no discernable delays.  One of the biggest annoyances
 I've had in a
 contest situation is adjacent operators shouting down the mic
 because they
 don't or can't listen to a monitor of their own voice.
 Feedback is also a
 problem, but, on balance, I prefer a little side tone in my
 ear.  One reason
 I don't like mobile phones - no side tone.

 David
 G3UNA



 - Original Message -
 From: Lyle Johnson k...@wavecable.com

 
  Is it possible to select pre vs. post audio for the MON?
 
  I'll take a look, but no promises or New Year's resolutions :-)
 
  73,
 
  Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Matt Zilmer
Using a VGA cable probably won't bring all of the signals out to the
end of the pigtail since the VGA standard doesn't use off of them.
There are commerical cables using the DB-15 high density connector
that bring out all pins, or you can build your own.

It's more fun to build your own.  Digikey and Mouser both have the
15-pin male connectors, and they'll also have good quality control
cables.

73,
matt W6NIA
K3 #24

On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:07:19 -0800, you wrote:

Hi,

I am starting to get the my K3 integrated into my station.

I am thinking about building a breakout box to bring several of the pins on
the ACC connector out to RCA jacks.

I was wondering if I just hack off one end of a standard VGA cable if the
cable has enough wires in it to get to all the pins on the ACC connector?
Or, get a 15 pin VGA connector and make up my own cable?

Comments from the K3 community?

Randy
K7AGE
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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread KM4VX

Criticism often has consequences. Immediately after my posting on Nigerian
scams the computer I was using was hit by a major virus and the passowrd
corrupted. I cannot log on and must assume  my identity etc has been
compromised. I have plenty of computers and will have the infected one
repaired. Hope the rest of the respondents have done better. These hackers
really are stupid assholes. It was worth it. 73 

ted-45 wrote:
 
 I'm writing this with tears in my eyes,we came down here to
 London for a short vacation and i was mugged at gun point last
 night at the park of the hotel where we lodged all cash,credit card
 and cell were stolen off me, thank God we have our life and passport
 my rents are not in town they all travel to Fiji island i lost all
 contact.
 
 I've been to the embassy and the Police here but they're not
 helping issues at all,my flight leaves in next few hours from now
 and am having problems settling the hotel bills.
 the hotel manager won't let me leave until i settle the hotel bills
 am freaked out...you can wire the money to me through western union
 all you need is Name on my passport and location information  below...
 
 Location :United Kingdom London
 Name:ted  orant
 Amount Needed :1450pounds
 
 That is all you need to get the money sent to me and get back to me with
  the western union transfer details the confirmation code MTCN number ...
 
 Hope to hear from you .
 ted.
 
 Ted wb9jox
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread ab2tc

Hi,

I second that. The frequency you qsy'd to, 14310, was very good here, much
better than the normal 14314 frequency which almost always has QRM from both
313 and 316. Could we consider making this at least a trial move?

Knut - AB2TC



N3PSJ-2 wrote:
 
 You did a nice job running the net Roger.  Thanks for running it.
 
 Ken  N3PSJ
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Lyle Johnson

 I am thinking about building a breakout box to bring several of the pins on
 the ACC connector out to RCA jacks.

 I was wondering if I just hack off one end of a standard VGA cable if the
 cable has enough wires in it to get to all the pins on the ACC connector?
 Or, get a 15 pin VGA connector and make up my own cable?

For cable, I use  URL:http://www.winford.com/products/ext15hd.php 

For a breakout board, I use  
URL:http://www.winford.com/products/brk15hd.php  and I see they now 
have a smaller one   URL:http://www.winford.com/products/brksd15hd.php 

Someone posted a link to some Y-cables here a few months back and I 
obtained a couple, but I don't recall the vendor at the moment.

No connection to Winford, just a satisfied customer, YMMV, etc.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Lyle Johnson

 Someone posted a link to some Y-cables here a few months back and I 
 obtained a couple, but I don't recall the vendor at the moment.

Philmore 70-568, available from several sources.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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[Elecraft] Relay click

2010-01-17 Thread Richard Thorpe
I hear a relay click when I tune across 14.200  down it clicks at  
14.197 and  up it clicks at 14.020 USB I don't remember hearing this  
in the past.  Is everything OK and what relay is clicking?

R Thorpe AC9D
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Ed Muns
 I am starting to get the my K3 integrated into my station.
 
 I am thinking about building a breakout box to bring several 
 of the pins on the ACC connector out to RCA jacks.
 
 I was wondering if I just hack off one end of a standard VGA 
 cable if the cable has enough wires in it to get to all the 
 pins on the ACC connector?
 Or, get a 15 pin VGA connector and make up my own cable?
 
 Comments from the K3 community?

The breakout box with RCA Phono jacks is a good approach and used by many.

I prefer to use VGA Y-Adapter cables to combine whichever single-function
cables I need for a given setup.  I either make or buy the single-function
cables, e.g., FSK/PTT, KRC2, Top-Ten Decoder, etc.

As K6KR noted, many of the VGA Y-Adapters and other VGA cables have missing
connections or shorted connections that work fine in the intended VGA
applications.  So, you have to carefully check the continuity of VGA
adapters/cables for the K3 ACC application.  I've been through a lot of VGA
Y-Adapters and only found one source with all the connections made properly.

Ed - W0YK
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread W4CCS
Moved to 14.310..

W4CCS


On 1/17/2010 1:27 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
 Heard no trace of the SSB net today.  Listened from 1750 till 1820.  I
 assumed the net might be waiting for the QSOs to clear from 14.316 and
 14.313, but nothing happened after they cleared either.  Was the net
 convened on a different freq?

 Terry, W0FM

 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Stein [mailto:burch.cr...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:17 AM
 To: ph...@rio.com
 Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

 Will do...K7SJ...1 KW  2-el Quad at 50' headed 'out there'!  All relays
 welcome.

 73, Roger
 K7SJ
 K3  #75
 On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:28 PM,ph...@rio.com  wrote:


 Hi gang,

 It looks like neither Mark nor I will be able to make the net tomorrow.
   Therefore, it is a good time for one of you with a capable station to
  
 come

 forward and volunteer as a net control station.  It isn't
 difficult.  The pace is easy and the group is cooperative.  Remember that
 it is at 1800Z on 14.314 MHz. Go for it.  Thank you.

 73,

 Phil, NS7P
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Jim McDonald
Below is the email from the Yahoo reflector in October.  I bought a
Y-adaptor from the first source, and it worked fine for my Top Ten Devices
Band Decoder and a PR6.  It was $2.40 and was less than $5 including
shipping.

Jim N7US

-Original Message-
From: Joe Subich, W4TV [mailto:li...@subich.com] 
Sent: October 22, 2009 20:37
To: elecraft...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Elecraft_K3] Top Ten Devices Band Decoder


The elegant solutions are the full DB15HD Y cables 
available from: 

   www.cablewholesale.com  p/n 10H1-27708
   www.altex.com Philmore 70-568 

or one of the breakout boards from: 

   http://www.winfordeng.com/products/cat_brk.php 
   the BRKSD15HDM-C is particularly interesting.  

The alternative is to make up your own cable to a 
box with a DB9 or DIN8 for Band data and some 
RCA/3.5 mm jacks for FSK, PTT, ALC and Inhibit.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 


-Original Message-



 Someone posted a link to some Y-cables here a few months back and I 
 obtained a couple, but I don't recall the vendor at the moment.

Philmore 70-568, available from several sources.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Relay click

2010-01-17 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)

Perhaps your ATU which changes state?


Richard Thorpe wrote:
 
 I hear a relay click when I tune across 14.200  down it clicks at  
 14.197 and  up it clicks at 14.020 USB I don't remember hearing this  
 in the past.  Is everything OK and what relay is clicking?
 
 R Thorpe AC9D
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[Elecraft] K3 ESSB macro

2010-01-17 Thread Barry N1EU

Can someone please confirm:  it is possible to toggle the TX ESSB on/off
value via macro (mn096;swt11;mn255;) but it is impossible to set it to a
known value of on or off ?  

Thanks/73,
Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Harris
G'day

http://www.winfordeng.com/

For both cables and breakout boards.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

- Original Message - 
From: Dick Dievendorff die...@comcast.net
To: Randy Hall listk7...@gmail.com
Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable


 The standard VGA cables may omit or combine key pins. Some people 
 have
 found Y connectors with all 15 pins connected. There is a small
 commercial device that has a 15 pin connector attached to a PC 
 board
 with screw connectors for all 15 wires. I'm away from my PC now 
 but
 these are discussed in the archives of this forum.

 Dick, K6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] My predicament

2010-01-17 Thread Julian, G4ILO



KM4VX wrote:
 
 Criticism often has consequences. Immediately after my posting on Nigerian
 scams the computer I was using was hit by a major virus and the passowrd
 corrupted. I cannot log on and must assume  my identity etc has been
 compromised. I have plenty of computers and will have the infected one
 repaired. Hope the rest of the respondents have done better. These hackers
 really are stupid assholes. It was worth it. 73 
 

This is why I switched all of our computers (except the shack one
unfortunately - too much good ham software is Windows-only) to Linux. I'm
not saying Linux is 100% secure, but hackers hardly ever target it so in
practise it is.

On the Windows box I use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer. Again, it
isn't as secure as fanatics claim, but it is targeted much less often.

I also use Gmail instead of email clients, so any nasties I might get sent
are never downloaded on to my computer. Gmail has excellent spam and
phishing filters, and I don't think I have ever seen a dodgy email in my
Inbox.

Another thing you can do is switch your DNS servers to OpenDNS - basically,
use 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220 in place of your ISP-provided domain
name servers. Should you be tricked into accessing a spoof website you'll be
sent to an OpenDNS page warning you about it instead. It's just an extra
level of protection. I put this into our network router so all our PCs use
it automatically.

-
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222.
* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net tomorrow needs an NCS

2010-01-17 Thread Dick Roth, KA1OZ
I heard K7SJ before 1800, but he faded just as he was announcing the QSY 
and I lost him and the net for the day.  I hunted around, but no joy.


W4CCS wrote:
 Moved to 14.310..

 W4CCS


 On 1/17/2010 1:27 PM, Terry Schieler wrote:
 Heard no trace of the SSB net today.  Listened from 1750 till 1820.  I
 assumed the net might be waiting for the QSOs to clear from 14.316 and
 14.313, but nothing happened after they cleared either.  Was the net
 convened on a different freq?

 Terry, W0FM

[snip]


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73,
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Middleborough, MA

Radio:  Elecraft K3/100(Kit) SN 859
Antenna:  Titan-DX
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[Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread harry latterman
I have a wonderful K2/100 and yes have eyed th K3 as so many other has. The new 
K3 design is clean, filters options are mind boggling, seems to like digital 
... But and this is a big BUT for me is cost vers any really added contacts. Or 
cost per possible, but unlikely contacts missed. By the time all the eye candy 
and ear candy is added you have one really expenisive radio. Way more the a 
fully loaded K2 with has some impressive specs...very impressive by a lot of 
standards. Plus I am really wondering about the K3 issues. Is it my imagination 
or are K3 question and issues a bit more then K2 issues? My in box since I 
signed up is buldging with K3 questions and problems. If it were not for the 
occational K2 question you would think this was a K3 site. 

Don't get me wrong Elecraft is one fantastic company. I built and used a K1/4 
and used it for a while and it was FUN and very inpressive. Very! I am a 
cheater in that I traded a 706mkII+ a Ft-817 for the K2/100 I have now instead 
of building it, only becasue the person that listed it decided that the trade 
was better then what he was asking for it and my trade fit his needs. The 
chances of that happening again a pretty slim. If he had not then sometime 
later this year I probably would have had to make a painful choice. A fully 
loaded K2/100 or a strip down K3/10 and who knows how long before I could 
afford to get it up to the level I really wanted. But that is my financial 
problem and like many today price vers performance vers reliablity are all a 
factor.

So what is the opion of those who have both or had the K2 and now the K3? Which 
is the better value for the budget minded and for those on a budget what is the 
cost of a K3/100 that would meet most people needs. Not the hard core 
contester, they are a different breed. But the everyday ham, who likes to take 
it with him/her and/or have a great home station. Also why is there so many K3 
problems listed at this stage of the game? That is the part that makes me glad 
I have a K2 and might wait a very long time before I get a K3.

Thanks for you time and this great board.
73
Harry K7ZOV




  
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[Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Kopp
Harry,

Of course there are lots of K3-related postings and yes, 
questions.  It's Elecraft's latest and greatest, and the center 
of attention.   I wasn't here during the equivalent time of the 
K2, but I expect the reflector then was dominated with K2 
questions and problems.

If you read carefully, many / most of the postings really come
down to being opinions of the poster.  Not many relate to actual
problems with the K3, but rather with the owner's view of what 
-he- thinks the radio should be.  If his particular want isn't met, 
it may be viewed a problem.  You'll not find another company 
that deals with real problems faster.

I have a K2 (#5665) and it's a wonderful radio that met virtually 
all of my real world operating needs for several years. I wouldn't
think of parting with it.  My K3's just more fun.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Harry,

I have both the K2 and the K3 - the K2 does not see use in the shack, 
but rests at the workbench and is my transceiver of choice for portable 
operation.

First let me try to shed some light on the number of K3 
questions/problems as compared with the K2 by stating that when the K2 
was only 3 years old, there were something like 1000 of them sold by 
that time, and this reflector was full of K2 questions/problems 
everyday.  By comparison, the K3 has sold over 3 times that number, so 
there are 3 times the number of new users everyday with questions, 
comments, and problems (some perceived, some real).  Note that many of 
the problems are answered by telling the owner how to accomplish 
whatever he was trying to do - you have to read both the question and 
the response to determine that rather than just counting the number of 
posts.  The same was true in the earlier days of the K2.

The K2 is a mature product, and many of the owners have had them for a 
while, so their questions have been answered some time ago.  Even though 
it is mature, I expect mine to continue to function properly for 
another 20 to 30 years - and I have one of the original Field Test K2s.  
After that 20 to 30 years, I might not care anymore, it will be left to 
my heirs.

If one compares the cost of a basic K3/100 with the cost of a loaded 
K2/100 kit from Elecraft, if the dollar value were the only thing 
considered, the buyer would likely opt for the K3 - most all the 
function offered by the basic K3/100 would require most all the options 
be installed in the K2/100 - and the K2 would not have the DSP 
flexibility of the K3, nor the possibility of adding the SubRX later.  
The performance of the K2 and the K3 is very good (check the Sherwood 
listings), but the K3 is better - whether one's operating habits warrant 
the K3 is entirely a different question, only the operator himself can 
create that answer.

Since you already have the K2/100, then the cost comparison does not 
work for you - you will have to evaluate how much you could get for your 
K2 should you sell it and deal with the price difference between your 
existing K2 and a K3.

In other words, I believe it is deceiving to look at the reflector 
traffic in comparing questions/problems between the K2 and the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR

harry latterman wrote:
 I have a wonderful K2/100 and yes have eyed th K3 as so many other has. The 
 new K3 design is clean, filters options are mind boggling, seems to like 
 digital ... But and this is a big BUT for me is cost vers any really added 
 contacts. Or cost per possible, but unlikely contacts missed. By the time all 
 the eye candy and ear candy is added you have one really expenisive radio. 
 Way more the a fully loaded K2 with has some impressive specs...very 
 impressive by a lot of standards. Plus I am really wondering about the K3 
 issues. Is it my imagination or are K3 question and issues a bit more then K2 
 issues? My in box since I signed up is buldging with K3 questions and 
 problems. If it were not for the occational K2 question you would think this 
 was a K3 site. 

 Don't get me wrong Elecraft is one fantastic company. I built and used a K1/4 
 and used it for a while and it was FUN and very inpressive. Very! I am a 
 cheater in that I traded a 706mkII+ a Ft-817 for the K2/100 I have now 
 instead of building it, only becasue the person that listed it decided that 
 the trade was better then what he was asking for it and my trade fit his 
 needs. The chances of that happening again a pretty slim. If he had not then 
 sometime later this year I probably would have had to make a painful choice. 
 A fully loaded K2/100 or a strip down K3/10 and who knows how long before I 
 could afford to get it up to the level I really wanted. But that is my 
 financial problem and like many today price vers performance vers reliablity 
 are all a factor.

 So what is the opion of those who have both or had the K2 and now the K3? 
 Which is the better value for the budget minded and for those on a budget 
 what is the cost of a K3/100 that would meet most people needs. Not the hard 
 core contester, they are a different breed. But the everyday ham, who likes 
 to take it with him/her and/or have a great home station. Also why is there 
 so many K3 problems listed at this stage of the game? That is the part that 
 makes me glad I have a K2 and might wait a very long time before I get a K3.

 Thanks for you time and this great board.
 73
 Harry K7ZOV




   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ESSB macro

2010-01-17 Thread Greg
Ooopsno bug.  Radio was in CW mode.  Duh!

The first line show ESSB off, second line shows ESSB on.

IC\x80\xA8\x94\x90\x80;

IC\x80\xA8\x94\xB0\x80;

So the status of Byte D tells you the status of ESSB.

73
Greg



On 1/17/2010 4:05 PM, Greg wrote:
 When looking at this Barry I thought maybe you could read the status 
 of the + icon on the LCD.  That is supposed to be on if ESSB is on.  
 I think a bug got into the FW where the icon is no longer showing when 
 in ESSB.

 This is from the current Programmer's manual...

 IC * (Misc. Icons and Status; GET only)
 RSP format: ICabcde; where abcde are ASCII characters (Byte in Table 4 
 below) used as collections flags (Bit
 in table). Each flag represents the status of an LCD icon and/or 
 specific transceiver function.
 Some functions whose status is indicated by IC command flags can be 
 controlled using emulation commands. For
 example, the K3 can be put into TX TEST by sending SWH18. The 
 condition can be verified at any time using the
 IC command (byte a, bit 5). Another example: ESSB (extended SSB) can 
 be turned on/off using an MN (menu)
 command, followed by SWT11, simulating a tap of 1 on the keypad. 
 Again, IC can be used to verify the present
 state (byte d, bit 5).


 73
 Greg
 AB7R





 On 1/17/2010 12:35 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:
 Can someone please confirm:  it is possible to toggle the TX ESSB on/off
 value via macro (mn096;swt11;mn255;) but it is impossible to set it to a
 known value of on or off ?

 Thanks/73,
 Barry N1EU




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ESSB macro

2010-01-17 Thread Barry N1EU
Yes, but you can't embed a conditional statement in a macro so being
able to read the current ESSB state doesn't help.   So under the
constraints of macro coding, how to turn ESSB on/off independent of
current state of ESSB?

Tnx/73,
Barry N1EU

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote:
 Ooopsno bug.  Radio was in CW mode.  Duh!

 The first line show ESSB off, second line shows ESSB on.

 IC\x80\xA8\x94\x90\x80;

 IC\x80\xA8\x94\xB0\x80;

 So the status of Byte D tells you the status of ESSB.

 73
 Greg



 On 1/17/2010 4:05 PM, Greg wrote:

 When looking at this Barry I thought maybe you could read the status of the
 + icon on the LCD.  That is supposed to be on if ESSB is on.  I think a
 bug got into the FW where the icon is no longer showing when in ESSB.

 This is from the current Programmer's manual...

 IC * (Misc. Icons and Status; GET only)
 RSP format: ICabcde; where abcde are ASCII characters (Byte in Table 4
 below) used as collections flags (Bit
 in table). Each flag represents the status of an LCD icon and/or specific
 transceiver function.
 Some functions whose status is indicated by IC command flags can be
 controlled using emulation commands. For
 example, the K3 can be put into TX TEST by sending SWH18. The condition can
 be verified at any time using the
 IC command (byte a, bit 5). Another example: ESSB (extended SSB) can be
 turned on/off using an MN (menu)
 command, followed by SWT11, simulating a tap of 1 on the keypad. Again, IC
 can be used to verify the present
 state (byte d, bit 5).


 73
 Greg
 AB7R





 On 1/17/2010 12:35 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:

 Can someone please confirm:  it is possible to toggle the TX ESSB on/off
 value via macro (mn096;swt11;mn255;) but it is impossible to set it to a
 known value of on or off ?

 Thanks/73,
 Barry N1EU


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[Elecraft] SSB Net Results for Jan 17th

2010-01-17 Thread Roger Stein
Thanks to all for checking in, providing critical audio reports, frequency
information and relays!!

I saw Phil's request for an NCS just a couple of hours before net time and
though, why not!

Here are the check-ins as I was able to write them down...please repsond
with correction if needed

AB1DD  Carl VT K3 3782
W4CSS Scott GA K3 2090
K8MBY Phil OH K3 609
VE3QF Tony ON K3 137
N3PSJ Ken PA K3 3115 (Nice station pix on QRZ! as they must say, Nicely
done!)
KB4SJE
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[Elecraft] K3 Build Questions

2010-01-17 Thread KC2VNI

I am on pages 44 and 45 of the assembly manual and have made it through all
the steps. In going through the resistance checks, I got the following
values:

- At the power poles (12VDC), all I got was an infinite resistance no matter
which way I made the measured it.

- At the R36 test point, I got 239.5 ohms which beats the 150 ohm criteria
listed

- At the U12 test point, I got 2 different values:
   a) 4.86 kilo-ohms at the terminal furthest from the blue electrolytic
capacitor in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator
   b) 237.2 ohms at the terminal closest to the blue electrolytic capacitor
in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator

- At the U13 test point, I got the following: 423 ohms.


Question: Am I okay to go ahead and apply power for the initial power on
check (aka smoke test) on page 46?

Please advise

73

Steve 

KC2VNI




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[Elecraft] K3: Using an Icom PW-1 Linear Amplifier

2010-01-17 Thread Phil Hystad
Do any of you K3 users out there in Elecraft-land use an Icom PW-1 linear?  I 
have a PW-1 that I use in concert with my Icom 756 Pro III.  Now that I own a 
K3, which looks like it will be my primary rig, I am thinking about eventually 
feeding it to my PW-1.  This raises a number of questions, chief among them is 
whether the PW-1 can follow the band switching of the K3.

Since most of my activity is CW and since I have never used my linear in CW 
mode with my Pro III, it is mostly likely that I would use the linear only with 
SSB.

I am also thinking that down the road I may want to get another solid-state 
amplifier to be used with my K3.  For this reason I am very interested in what 
future products might come out of Elecraft.  Other then Elecraft in the future, 
has anyone used a Tokyo Hi-Power amp with a K3 and if so do they couple up 
well.  Does the THP amp follow the K3 for band switching?

Thanks for any comments or suggestions you might provide.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] SSB Net Results for Jan 17th

2010-01-17 Thread Roger Stein
Whoops! hit the wrong key.list continued!!!

AB1DD   CarlVT   K3 3782

W4CSS  Scott  GA  K3 2090

K8MBY  PhilOH   K3 609

VE3QF  Tony   ON   K3 137

N3PSJ   KenPA   K3 3115 (Nice station pix on QRZ! as they must say,
Nicely done!)

KB4SJE Rick   KY   K3 2593

AB2TC   KenNY   K3 82(Also nice QRZ photo!)

K8EAG  Gil  MIK3 99

K4GCJ   Gary   NC   K3 1597

W4GRJ  Jack   FLK3 3716

AB1KC  Bruce  RITen Tec Orion (K3 in the hospital...not fatal!!)

W4RKS Jim GA   K3 3618

K4CCH Charlie GA   K3 3509

KI4PQY Frank  GA   Drake TR-4

AC9DRickCA   K3 3697  (Relayed to me, thanks!!)

AA7QK  NickAZ   Wanted audio report

KA9NCR Arnold  NE  K3 185

WA4NEL Lou   VAK3 3670

VE4QZ  Doug   MB   K3 or K2

VE1CHW Rob  NS   K3 1680

W4RSH  JimAK   K??

K7SJ   Roger   WA  K3 75

Please correct any errors, they are mine!!  Busy being a mechanic with my
son-in-law and daughter's car this afternoon, oil and filter change, coolant
drain and fill, power steering fluid change out (of sorts).  A nice
afternoon, with lunch at the local bakery.

I think conditions favored a certain part of the country...may the need for
multiple calls for check-ins from different parts of the globe!!  Thanks all
for bearing with me while I sorted out the calls, I enjoyed the activity
immensely...now to recalibrate the K3 and chase after the rf/audio gremlins
from the NCL-2000!!

Have a good week.

73, Roger K7SJ
K3 75
near Shelton, WA
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Roger Stein burch.cr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to all for checking in, providing critical audio reports, frequency
 information and relays!!

 I saw Phil's request for an NCS just a couple of hours before net time and
 though, why not!

 Here are the check-ins as I was able to write them down...please repsond
 with correction if needed

 AB1DD  Carl VT K3 3782
 W4CSS Scott GA K3 2090
 K8MBY Phil OH K3 609
 VE3QF Tony ON K3 137
 N3PSJ Ken PA K3 3115 (Nice station pix on QRZ! as they must say, Nicely
 done!)
 KB4SJE

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[Elecraft] T1 tuner KXPD1 paddle for sale or trade

2010-01-17 Thread Mike Short
Asking $120 for the tuner, and $55 for the paddle, or trade toward a K1 or
K2.

850.554.6532 or email me at ai...@arrl.net 

 

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[Elecraft] Elecraft KAT2 For Sale

2010-01-17 Thread Brent Sutphin
I have a KAT2 auto tuner for the Elecraft K2 for sale.  The tuner is in like 
new condition and works great.  It is one year old and was built by a 
professional builder.  Price is $150 shipped to any location within the 
continental USA.  If interested, please contact me directly.

Brent  WB4X 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Build Questions

2010-01-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve,

The instructions indicate that the listed values are the lowest that 
should be measured.  The instructions state that greater values than 
those listed are quite probable.  If the readings are not less than the 
listed values, all is OK.

Greater than means that larger values are OK - smaller values are bad. - 
yours are OK.

73,
Don W3FPR

KC2VNI wrote:
 I am on pages 44 and 45 of the assembly manual and have made it through all
 the steps. In going through the resistance checks, I got the following
 values:

 - At the power poles (12VDC), all I got was an infinite resistance no matter
 which way I made the measured it.

 - At the R36 test point, I got 239.5 ohms which beats the 150 ohm criteria
 listed

 - At the U12 test point, I got 2 different values:
a) 4.86 kilo-ohms at the terminal furthest from the blue electrolytic
 capacitor in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator
b) 237.2 ohms at the terminal closest to the blue electrolytic capacitor
 in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator

 - At the U13 test point, I got the following: 423 ohms.


 Question: Am I okay to go ahead and apply power for the initial power on
 check (aka smoke test) on page 46?

   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Using an Icom PW-1 Linear Amplifier

2010-01-17 Thread Greg
I use a Yaesu Quadra with my K3.  Requires a slight modification to the 
cables that is not difficult.

I think Wayne plans to implement Icom CIV protocol as an option at some 
point but not sure where it is on his priorities.  You can also use 
something like the Microham MicrokeyerII which can provide CIV output.

73
Greg
AB7R


Phil Hystad wrote:
 Do any of you K3 users out there in Elecraft-land use an Icom PW-1 linear?  I 
 have a PW-1 that I use in concert with my Icom 756 Pro III.  Now that I own a 
 K3, which looks like it will be my primary rig, I am thinking about 
 eventually feeding it to my PW-1.  This raises a number of questions, chief 
 among them is whether the PW-1 can follow the band switching of the K3.

 Since most of my activity is CW and since I have never used my linear in CW 
 mode with my Pro III, it is mostly likely that I would use the linear only 
 with SSB.

 I am also thinking that down the road I may want to get another solid-state 
 amplifier to be used with my K3.  For this reason I am very interested in 
 what future products might come out of Elecraft.  Other then Elecraft in the 
 future, has anyone used a Tokyo Hi-Power amp with a K3 and if so do they 
 couple up well.  Does the THP amp follow the K3 for band switching?

 Thanks for any comments or suggestions you might provide.

 73, phil, K7PEH

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[Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Is it worth it can be answered from at least two different approaches:

1.  Are you interested in PERFORMANCE and if so, to what degree.  Your
answer depends on what type of operating you do.  Do you do a lot of
contesting?  Are you a serious DXer?  Do you work DX on Top Band? Do
you operate esoteric modes such as ESSB?  Do you need a radio with
diversity reception (optional)?  How about a radio that covers 160 - 2
in a single box?  Is being able to clear the RIT/XIT with the push
of a button important?  If your answer to any of these is YES, then
you may want the K3.

If you are a casual operator who likes to makes Q's on a band w/o
much QRM and turns the rig off if the signal are weak because you want
arm-chair copy, QSY away from QRM because of low tolerance, etc., then
the answer may be no.

2.  If you simply need to own the best performing rig available
irrespective of how you operate, then the K3 is for you.

Failing the YES answer to the above, I'd stick with the K2/100 (I have
two K3s and 1 K2).

The other BIG consideration (question) for you is, Are you comfortable
operating QRP after having operated QRO (100 watts).  There IS a BIG
difference!  This is NOT a is it worth it question, but a can you
adapt to it question.

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Using an Icom PW-1 Linear Amplifier

2010-01-17 Thread W0FK

Phil, please see:

http://n2.nabble.com/K3-with-a-PW-1-td1437483.html#a1437483

http://n2.nabble.com/FW-Running-an-ICOM-PW-1-Amp-with-the-K3-td1802668.html

http://n2.nabble.com/Re-FW-K3-and-StepIR-Icom-PW-1-td1057441.html

I run a PW-1 with my K3, and have decided to continue to manually change
bands on the linear. I've been very happy with the combination. Had a THP
1.5Kfx for a time, and its automatic bandswitching works well using a
properly wired cable and Yaesu settings on the amp (my K3 has had the mods
not found on earlier K3's incorporated into it by the factory, for builds
after late 2008, I believe). 

73,

Lou, W0FK



Phil Hystad wrote:
 
 Do any of you K3 users out there in Elecraft-land use an Icom PW-1 linear? 
 I have a PW-1 that I use in concert with my Icom 756 Pro III.  Now that I
 own a K3, which looks like it will be my primary rig, I am thinking about
 eventually feeding it to my PW-1.  This raises a number of questions,
 chief among them is whether the PW-1 can follow the band switching of the
 K3.
 
 Since most of my activity is CW and since I have never used my linear in
 CW mode with my Pro III, it is mostly likely that I would use the linear
 only with SSB.
 
 I am also thinking that down the road I may want to get another
 solid-state amplifier to be used with my K3.  For this reason I am very
 interested in what future products might come out of Elecraft.  Other then
 Elecraft in the future, has anyone used a Tokyo Hi-Power amp with a K3 and
 if so do they couple up well.  Does the THP amp follow the K3 for band
 switching?
 
 Thanks for any comments or suggestions you might provide.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread Joe Planisky
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My apologies in advance if 2 copies show up.

Hi Harry,

 Is it my imagination or are K3 question and issues a bit more then  
 K2 issues? My in box since I signed up is buldging with K3 questions  
 and problems. ... Also why is there so many K3 problems listed at  
 this stage of the game?

Perhaps because the K2 has been out for over 10 years and the K3 has  
been out for only 2.  Do you suppose you would have been asking why  
are there so many questions about the K2? back in 2001?  How much K3  
traffic will be on the reflector in 2018?

Also, I think a more demanding class of operator is using the K3 in  
more demanding situations than the K2.  As you mentioned, some of them  
are a different breed.

What are the current problems that you perceive with the K3 that do  
not ultimately come down to operator preference?


 So what is the opion of those who have both or had the K2 and now  
 the K3? Which is the better value for the budget minded and for  
 those on a budget what is the cost of a K3/100 that would meet most  
 people needs.

I think the basic K3/100 with the stock 2.7 kHz roofing filter would  
meet most average ham's needs for $1899.95. That gives you everything  
that a fully loaded K2/100 gives you and then some.

I have both a K2/10 and a K3/100.  I find the K3 has a noticeably  
better receiver, is much easier to operate, and has features that make  
my day-to-day operation much more pleasant.  The difference in cost  
between a fully loaded K2/100 and a stripped down K3/100 is  
$270.30 if I've done my math correctly.  In my opinion the extras the  
K3 gives you for that $270.30 are well worth the money.

The K2 is a great rig if you simply can't afford or can live without  
the extra features and performance that the K3 gives you.  I started  
out with a pretty basic K2 and added to it over the years as budget  
permitted (and I'm doing the same with the K3.)  I still use my K2 for  
portable/field work and as a backup rig, but I enjoy using the K3 more.

Asking whether a K3 will get you more contacts than a K2 is like  
asking if a basic economy car will get you more places than a luxury  
car.  Both will get you where you want to go, but the experience you  
have along the way might be quite different.

73
--
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On Jan 17, 2010, at 2:39 PM, harry latterman wrote:

[...snip...]

 73
 Harry K7ZOV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Build Questions

2010-01-17 Thread KC2VNI

Don: I was concerned with the value on U12. Depending on which terminal I was
on, the resistance varied. I should have been more specific about the
question. Sorry for the confusion.


Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
 
 Steve,
 
 The instructions indicate that the listed values are the lowest that 
 should be measured.  The instructions state that greater values than 
 those listed are quite probable.  If the readings are not less than the 
 listed values, all is OK.
 
 Greater than means that larger values are OK - smaller values are bad. - 
 yours are OK.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 KC2VNI wrote:
 I am on pages 44 and 45 of the assembly manual and have made it through
 all
 the steps. In going through the resistance checks, I got the following
 values:

 - At the power poles (12VDC), all I got was an infinite resistance no
 matter
 which way I made the measured it.

 - At the R36 test point, I got 239.5 ohms which beats the 150 ohm
 criteria
 listed

 - At the U12 test point, I got 2 different values:
a) 4.86 kilo-ohms at the terminal furthest from the blue electrolytic
 capacitor in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator
b) 237.2 ohms at the terminal closest to the blue electrolytic
 capacitor
 in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator

 - At the U13 test point, I got the following: 423 ohms.


 Question: Am I okay to go ahead and apply power for the initial power on
 check (aka smoke test) on page 46?

   

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Build Questions

2010-01-17 Thread KC2VNI

Also, I should have noted that I could not get a reading at the 12VDC side at
all and that concerned me. Any significance there?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread Joe Planisky
Hi Harry,

 Is it my imagination or are K3 question and issues a bit more then  
 K2 issues? My in box since I signed up is buldging with K3 questions  
 and problems. ... Also why is there so many K3 problems listed at  
 this stage of the game?

Perhaps because the K2 has been out for over 10 years and the K3 has  
been out for only 2.  Do you suppose you would have been asking why  
are there so many questions about the K2? back in 2001?  How much K3  
traffic will be on the reflector in 2018?

Also, I think a more demanding class of operator is using the K3 in  
more demanding situations than the K2.  As you mentioned, some of them  
are a different breed.

What are the current problems that you perceive with the K3 that do  
not ultimately come down to operator preference?


 So what is the opion of those who have both or had the K2 and now  
 the K3? Which is the better value for the budget minded and for  
 those on a budget what is the cost of a K3/100 that would meet most  
 people needs.

I think the basic K3/100 with the stock 2.7 kHz roofing filter would  
meet most average ham's needs for $1899.95.  That gives you everything  
that a fully loaded K2/100 gives you and then some.

I have both a K2/10 and a K3/100.  I find the K3 has a noticeably  
better receiver, is much easier to operate, and has features that make  
my day-to-day operation much more pleasant.  The difference in cost  
between a fully loaded K2/100 and a stripped down K3/100 is  
$270.30 if I've done my math correctly.  In my opinion the extras the  
K3 gives you for that $270.30 are well worth the money.

The K2 is a great rig if you simply can't afford or can live without  
the extra features and performance that the K3 gives you.  I started  
out with a pretty basic K2 and added to it over the years as budget  
permitted (and I'm doing the same with the K3.)  I still use my K2 for  
portable/field work and as a backup rig, but I enjoy using the K3 more.

Asking whether a K3 will get you more contacts than a K2 is like  
asking if a basic economy car will get you more places than a luxury  
car.  Both will get you where you want to go, but the experience you  
have along the way might be quite different.

73
--
Joe KB8AP


On Jan 17, 2010, at 2:39 PM, harry latterman wrote:

 I have a wonderful K2/100 and yes have eyed th K3 as so many other  
 has. The new K3 design is clean, filters options are mind boggling,  
 seems to like digital ... But and this is a big BUT for me is cost  
 vers any really added contacts. Or cost per possible, but unlikely  
 contacts missed. By the time all the eye candy and ear candy is  
 added you have one really expenisive radio. Way more the a fully  
 loaded K2 with has some impressive specs...very impressive by a lot  
 of standards. Plus I am really wondering about the K3 issues. Is it  
 my imagination or are K3 question and issues a bit more then K2  
 issues? My in box since I signed up is buldging with K3 questions  
 and problems. If it were not for the occational K2 question you  
 would think this was a K3 site.

 Don't get me wrong Elecraft is one fantastic company. I built and  
 used a K1/4 and used it for a while and it was FUN and very  
 inpressive. Very! I am a cheater in that I traded a 706mkII+ a  
 Ft-817 for the K2/100 I have now instead of building it, only  
 becasue the person that listed it decided that the trade was better  
 then what he was asking for it and my trade fit his needs. The  
 chances of that happening again a pretty slim. If he had not then  
 sometime later this year I probably would have had to make a painful  
 choice. A fully loaded K2/100 or a strip down K3/10 and who knows  
 how long before I could afford to get it up to the level I really  
 wanted. But that is my financial problem and like many today price  
 vers performance vers reliablity are all a factor.

 So what is the opion of those who have both or had the K2 and now  
 the K3? Which is the better value for the budget minded and for  
 those on a budget what is the cost of a K3/100 that would meet most  
 people needs. Not the hard core contester, they are a different  
 breed. But the everyday ham, who likes to take it with him/her and/ 
 or have a great home station. Also why is there so many K3 problems  
 listed at this stage of the game? That is the part that makes me  
 glad I have a K2 and might wait a very long time before I get a K3.

 Thanks for you time and this great board.
 73
 Harry K7ZOV





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable

2010-01-17 Thread ww2r2
Be cautious on using VGA cables. I bought 2 a few years ago which didnt have
pin 9 connected which unfortunately is one of the band signals from the K3,
So I made my own with 2 connectors and a lenght of multicore cable

I just hit a similar snag this weekend, my cables unlimited PCM-2250 15 pin
Y cable adaptors also have no pin 9, which means they are only usable if I
dont use band data

Dave

ww2r



Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:07:19 -0800
From: Randy Hall listk7...@gmail.com
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ACC connector and VGA cable
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Hi,

I am starting to get the my K3 integrated into my station.

I am thinking about building a breakout box to bring several of the pins on
the ACC connector out to RCA jacks.

I was wondering if I just hack off one end of a standard VGA cable if the
cable has enough wires in it to get to all the pins on the ACC connector?
Or, get a 15 pin VGA connector and make up my own cable?

Comments from the K3 community?

Randy
K7AGE


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 69, Issue 35

2010-01-17 Thread n4cw


In a message dated 1/17/2010 10:01:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net writes:

For what  it's worth I cannot type delayed behind CW I'm copying and
have tried to do  that all my life.  My contesting/traffic buddy W2CS
can type 4,5  letters behind and talk at the same time.  If I set MM to
start a  return exchange before I've finished typing in a call, I'll
blow the QSO,  every time, no exceptions. I HAVE to copy as I receive.
Gary  doesn't.
Ditto here. I can only do real time CW...of course, I can remember  ONE 
other call in a pileup and get back to that exact call after I finish with  
another, but none of this copying behind crap.
 
Plus, I count my dits and dahs when I'm sending...even at 45 wpm, my  max 
because of my arthritis.
 
73,
Bertie

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for January 17th 18th, 2010

2010-01-17 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
   Yes, it is still raining.  The weather is testing my new roof to see if it 
can find a way in.  My skylight appears to be the weak link.  Uck!  There must 
be a way to solve this.  But the fire is toasty and my bench has a pile of 
projects ready to build.  Some kits, some parts to solder dead bug style onto 
PCB material, and others from melding schematic snippets together along with 
some paper and calculator work.  By springtime I will have some more QRP gear 
and a lot more understanding of how it works and how to design it.  Winter can 
be a lot of fun :)  
   Propagation was not bad but not great either.  Twenty meters did seem weaker 
than normal and forty meters did not elicit as many check ins as it has lately. 
 But it is nice to hear folks.  I have not yet been skunked and from what I 
read on SpaceWeather the sun is waking up.  We are due for a CME strike in day 
or two.  There are already exciting aurora at northern latitudes but those may 
wander southward with this new spate of ions impinging upon us.  So, a day of 
noise followed by a few days of very good propagation.  The FYBO folks 
mentioned 15 meters waking up with this activity.  That will be nice.
   
   On to the lists =

 On 14050 kHz at 2300z:
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K3 - 457
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471
N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008
K1THP - Dave - CT - K3 - 686
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
AE6IC - Fred - CA - K3 - 2241
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183
K6DGW - Fred - CA - K3 - 642
NK6A - Don - CA - K2 - 1217
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866

 On 7045.5 kHz at z:
AB9V - Mike - IN - K3 - 398
N7KRT - Jeff - TX - K2 - 5471
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
NO8V - John - MI - K3 - 820
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K3 - 1183   * QNI # 165 *
N0TA - John - CO - K3 - 994   (on its way to an Aptos vacation)
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
AE6IC - Fred - CA - K3 - 2241 QNI # 10 !!

   My weather forecast is for pretty much non-stop rain for the next two weeks. 
 That doesn't mean the rain is going to cease but rather how long my forecast 
runs into the future.  It is not like I expect it to end because it can keep 
raining until May and not be unusual.  However, it is peaceful to hear it 
hitting the roof on the days when the rain is not torrential.  I do need to get 
away from the bench occasionally and get back to where I can use the radios on 
the air.  The fox hunts are a good break twice a week as are the two Elecraft 
nets.  I really should get on the air on 80 meters and see who my neighbors are 
during the week.  Maybe I will run into some folks I have actually met face to 
face :)  
   Until next week stay warm and stay healthy,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Using an Icom PW-1 Linear Amplifier

2010-01-17 Thread Phil Hystad
Greg  Lou,

Thanks for your responses to my question about K3 and PW-1.  So, it looks like 
I can use the PW-1 as long as I account for and operate in a manner safe for 
the PW-1 with no ALC and also do my own band-switching.

Well, I just may consider buying a Tokyo Hi-Power amp but I am in no rush.  I 
do want to wait and here more detailed rumors on anything that Elecraft might 
want to create  for an S/S amp.  But, if that is too far out I may decide to 
get the THP or maybe even something else (if something better).  I will not be 
making any decisions in the next 6 months though.  I think I will focus on 
racking up a WAS on my K3 CW mode in the mean time and I prefer 100 watts or 
less for that.

73, phil, K7PEH


On Jan 17, 2010, at 6:22 PM, Greg wrote:

 I use a Yaesu Quadra with my K3.  Requires a slight modification to the 
 cables that is not difficult.
 
 I think Wayne plans to implement Icom CIV protocol as an option at some point 
 but not sure where it is on his priorities.  You can also use something like 
 the Microham MicrokeyerII which can provide CIV output.
 
 73
 Greg
 AB7R
 
 
 Phil Hystad wrote:
 Do any of you K3 users out there in Elecraft-land use an Icom PW-1 linear?  
 I have a PW-1 that I use in concert with my Icom 756 Pro III.  Now that I 
 own a K3, which looks like it will be my primary rig, I am thinking about 
 eventually feeding it to my PW-1.  This raises a number of questions, chief 
 among them is whether the PW-1 can follow the band switching of the K3.
 
 Since most of my activity is CW and since I have never used my linear in CW 
 mode with my Pro III, it is mostly likely that I would use the linear only 
 with SSB.
 
 I am also thinking that down the road I may want to get another solid-state 
 amplifier to be used with my K3.  For this reason I am very interested in 
 what future products might come out of Elecraft.  Other then Elecraft in the 
 future, has anyone used a Tokyo Hi-Power amp with a K3 and if so do they 
 couple up well.  Does the THP amp follow the K3 for band switching?
 
 Thanks for any comments or suggestions you might provide.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Monitor delay on the K3

2010-01-17 Thread Luis V. Romero
Maybe its all the years of listening to headset conversations for work and
dealing with IFB and ProChannel delay issues, but it comes as news to me
that there is a delay in the K3 audio monitor output for either SSB or CW!
If its there its very slight.

I'm really picky about things like that and I don't hear it!  I will have to
pay closer attention now that you guys have pointed this out.

If Lyle and Elecraft chooses to change it, I vote for a menu setting, and
mine will always be on the post processing selection.  

-lu-W4LT-
K3 #3192 


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Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:33:21 -0500
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I can believe anyone who says that the heard delay trips them up.  At
the extreme end of this general aural phenomenon is the well-known two
or three second delay to bleep profanity on radio talk shows, which
almost always trips up the caller if they leave the radio on in the
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 vers K2 questions that I keep seeimg

2010-01-17 Thread harry latterman
Thanks everyone for your feedback. I am sure that at one time the K2 must have 
had more then it's share of hits on this site. The K3 will probably be in my 
future although I have known 2 people that have owned them and traded them off. 
But then again they went through a number of radios before they stopped. If one 
radio was the ultimate then everyone else would go out of business. Also it was 
noted that it depends on what the radio is doing and the operator.

My radios either sit for months or worked hard. I like qrp. I use it when in my 
work room with a hunk of wire, 4:1, ground and extrenal ATU. Mostly CW but I 
own a NUE-PSK 31 which is a stand alone psk/rtty modem (look ma no computer). I 
plan on making a cable and using that with the K2 shortly. My CW is yuck, but 
you can find my yuck on the QRS 40 meter freq (7.110 - 7.116 mhz) on and off 
during the evenings, and the CW quality if the K2 is nothing short of great. 
And I do SSB on 40, 20, 18 and 15 meters. Like to make contacts and rag chew if 
I can. I do contests just to make contacts and give other points. Not yet into 
serious radiosport. So the basic K2 works for me at home or when I go camping. 
The /100 part is more when I am on my good antenna and the band is hot (luke 
warm is also great). So changing power suppies and cranking it up is my second 
option. Somehow have 100 mw to 100 watts in the same small lightweight box, 
with a great reciever fits my
 needs.

So do I need a K3? Only time will tell. The K2 is not my only radio. I have a 
classic IC-756 and a hot new Icom IC-7200 field radio which is a digital dream 
radio to use. I really believe in the days, weeks, months and years to come the 
K2 will probably be closer to me and used more often. I really do not feel I 
need the extra feature of the K3 at this time. If I want another DSP option I 
can get it for the K2, but the analog AF filter is quite impressive. 

It should be noted that my impression of Elecraft is that they are nothing 
short of fantastic.. I did at one time make a K1/4 and it was one great radio. 
The K2 stacks up to and in some case exceeds my other two radios and that 
includes the IC-7200 which has the guts of the IC-7000 and PROIII 32 bit IF DSP 
and 24 bit A/D - D/A, and smaller and lighter to boot.

I think if money was not an issue and I was a hard core conterster I would have 
to have a K3, but I am a casual user who likes to chase dx and talk to anyone. 
I like low power and 100 watts to me is high power. My hearing is going to 
sound quality is a major factor and the K2/100 internal speaker is so-so, but 
an external or headset and the radio real works for me.

So thank you one and all for the feedback. It is greatly appreciated. Hope I 
will catch you all on the air someday.

73, have a great week and happy dxing to one and all
Harry K7ZOV




  
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[Elecraft] K3 Audio Feedback

2010-01-17 Thread Jim Harris

Hi folks,

While phone contesting yesterday I found there is audio feedback from 
headphones/external speakers through the microphone without the PTT being 
pressed.  Monitor level was initially set at about 15.  I was using a Heil 
BM-10ic headphone through the front panel with bias turned on.  They have tiny 
ear pads that could easily let an amount of noise slip past to the microphone.  
The audio line out on my K3 back panel goes to a computer which has garden 
variety speakers hooked to it's audio out.

On the radio I had the AF control turned most of the way up and was riding the 
RF (IF) gain.  NR was on with a setting of F1-2.  I found that when the RF gain 
was turned up something like half way or more (depending on signal level) the 
audio level would creep up as though AGC was pumping.  If the gain was further 
increased the characteristic howl of feedback resulted.  Remember all this was 
occurring without PTT (no PTT light).  I would have thought the microphone 
would be dead without PTT.

I turned down the monitor to 8 and the feedback was not as much but was still 
present.  Finally I moved the volume control slider for the computer speakers 
to the bottom and that eliminated the feedback.

I'm very surprised to find a microphone connected to the K3 is live and that 
the audio is being feed to the audio outputs without the PTT being pressed 
resulting in the described feedback.  That is disappointing because it limits 
the ways that I can use my radio.  I'm wondering if this may be the source of 
some noise comments here on the reflector.  Does anyone else have any 
experience with this or any constructive comments?

Have a good day and 73.

Jim, W0EM


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Audio Feedback

2010-01-17 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:21:16 +, Jim Harris w...@q.com wrote:

Did You check your VOX to make sure it was off?
Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806 with SUB RX, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1, 2 W2's and other small kits

1 K144XV on order

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Hi folks,

While phone contesting yesterday I found there is audio feedback from 
headphones/external speakers through the microphone without the PTT being 
pressed.  Monitor level was initially set at about 15.  I was using a Heil 
BM-10ic headphone through the front panel with bias turned on.  They have tiny 
ear pads that could easily let an amount of noise slip past to the microphone. 
 The audio line out on my K3 back panel goes to a computer which has garden 
variety speakers hooked to it's audio out.

On the radio I had the AF control turned most of the way up and was riding the 
RF (IF) gain.  NR was on with a setting of F1-2.  I found that when the RF 
gain was turned up something like half way or more (depending on signal level) 
the audio level would creep up as though AGC was pumping.  If the gain was 
further increased the characteristic howl of feedback resulted.  Remember all 
this was occurring without PTT (no PTT light).  I would have thought the 
microphone would be dead without PTT.

I turned down the monitor to 8 and the feedback was not as much but was still 
present.  Finally I moved the volume control slider for the computer speakers 
to the bottom and that eliminated the feedback.

I'm very surprised to find a microphone connected to the K3 is live and that 
the audio is being feed to the audio outputs without the PTT being pressed 
resulting in the described feedback.  That is disappointing because it limits 
the ways that I can use my radio.  I'm wondering if this may be the source of 
some noise comments here on the reflector.  Does anyone else have any 
experience with this or any constructive comments?

Have a good day and 73.

Jim, W0EM


 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Audio Feedback

2010-01-17 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:21:16 +, Jim Harris wrote:

While phone contesting yesterday I found there is audio feedback 
from headphones/external speakers through the microphone without 
the PTT being pressed.

The problem may be related to the sound card in your computer. 
Depending on settings in your logging software and the computer 
sound card mixers, the sound card may be the feedback path. 

There are two mixers in a typical sound card, one for 
recording that feeds audio to the computer to be handled by 
software, and another for playback that controls sound fed by 
the sound card to external equipment (like the K3). 

When you feed audio to the K3 (either recorded messages or your 
live mic), you are using the Playback mixer. The catch is that 
there's an input on this mixer for a microphone, and most laptops 
have a mic built into their case. When they do, that mic is on by 
default. There's usually a switch (in the mixer) to turn it off 
and turn on a mic that plugs into the mic jack. Either the 
internal mic or an external mic plugged in can be part of the 
feedback path. To determine if its the internal mic, bang on the 
computer case and see if you hear it in your K3. I often run 
into this when setting up my IBM laptops for RTTY -- the input to 
the recording sound card is that internal mic rather than the 
wired input from the K3, so decoding sort of works, but not very 
well. :)  

So I suggest that you study YOUR setup, think about the computer 
sound card signal flow, and study your mixer settings. Also, keep 
the mixers open and viewable on your screen while the logger is 
doing its thing -- some loggers (N1MM, for example) actively 
controls the mixers to do recording on the fly of new messages, 
and to switch a mic plugged into the computer to one radio or the 
other for radio for SO2R. 

73,

Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ESSB macro

2010-01-17 Thread Mike
I don't think you can. Doing it manually on the radio is a toggle, it 
switches state AFAICS. The macro is just emulating that.

Mike NF4L

Barry N1EU wrote:
 Yes, but you can't embed a conditional statement in a macro so being
 able to read the current ESSB state doesn't help.   So under the
 constraints of macro coding, how to turn ESSB on/off independent of
 current state of ESSB?

 Tnx/73,
 Barry N1EU

 On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote:
   
 Ooopsno bug.  Radio was in CW mode.  Duh!

 The first line show ESSB off, second line shows ESSB on.

 IC\x80\xA8\x94\x90\x80;

 IC\x80\xA8\x94\xB0\x80;

 So the status of Byte D tells you the status of ESSB.

 73
 Greg



 On 1/17/2010 4:05 PM, Greg wrote:

 When looking at this Barry I thought maybe you could read the status of the
 + icon on the LCD.  That is supposed to be on if ESSB is on.  I think a
 bug got into the FW where the icon is no longer showing when in ESSB.

 This is from the current Programmer's manual...

 IC * (Misc. Icons and Status; GET only)
 RSP format: ICabcde; where abcde are ASCII characters (Byte in Table 4
 below) used as collections flags (Bit
 in table). Each flag represents the status of an LCD icon and/or specific
 transceiver function.
 Some functions whose status is indicated by IC command flags can be
 controlled using emulation commands. For
 example, the K3 can be put into TX TEST by sending SWH18. The condition can
 be verified at any time using the
 IC command (byte a, bit 5). Another example: ESSB (extended SSB) can be
 turned on/off using an MN (menu)
 command, followed by SWT11, simulating a tap of 1 on the keypad. Again, IC
 can be used to verify the present
 state (byte d, bit 5).


 73
 Greg
 AB7R





 On 1/17/2010 12:35 PM, Barry N1EU wrote:

 Can someone please confirm:  it is possible to toggle the TX ESSB on/off
 value via macro (mn096;swt11;mn255;) but it is impossible to set it to a
 known value of on or off ?

 Thanks/73,
 Barry N1EU


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Build Questions

2010-01-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve,

The only resistance reading that is defined in the manual is the 
regulator terminal furtherest from the electrolytic capacitor - and that 
measurement was OK.

73,
Don W3FPR

KC2VNI wrote:
 Don: I was concerned with the value on U12. Depending on which terminal I was
 on, the resistance varied. I should have been more specific about the
 question. Sorry for the confusion.


 Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
   
 Steve,

 The instructions indicate that the listed values are the lowest that 
 should be measured.  The instructions state that greater values than 
 those listed are quite probable.  If the readings are not less than the 
 listed values, all is OK.

 Greater than means that larger values are OK - smaller values are bad. - 
 yours are OK.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 KC2VNI wrote:
 
 I am on pages 44 and 45 of the assembly manual and have made it through
 all
 the steps. In going through the resistance checks, I got the following
 values:

 - At the power poles (12VDC), all I got was an infinite resistance no
 matter
 which way I made the measured it.

 - At the R36 test point, I got 239.5 ohms which beats the 150 ohm
 criteria
 listed

 - At the U12 test point, I got 2 different values:
a) 4.86 kilo-ohms at the terminal furthest from the blue electrolytic
 capacitor in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator
b) 237.2 ohms at the terminal closest to the blue electrolytic
 capacitor
 in the neighborhood of the U12 regulator

 - At the U13 test point, I got the following: 423 ohms.


 Question: Am I okay to go ahead and apply power for the initial power on
 check (aka smoke test) on page 46?

   

   
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Build Questions

2010-01-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve,

An infinite resistance *is* a valid reading, and is OK.

73,
Don W3FPR

KC2VNI wrote:
 Also, I should have noted that I could not get a reading at the 12VDC side at
 all and that concerned me. Any significance there?

   
   
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