Re: [Elecraft] K3 antenna tuner question

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

FRed, I agree with everything you wrote, except I think you'll find CONFIG:TUN 
PWR control the power used when you HOLD TUNE - it controls the power used for 
'key down' to tune an external ATU.
The KAT3 will use a much lower power than that for it's internal tuner I 
believe.
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
-- 
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-Frank A. Clark, writer (1911- )

On 25 May 2011, at 23:38, Fred Jensen wrote:

> "Automatic" is a word with lots of meanings.  When it is in "AUTO" and 
> you tap ATU TUNE, it will "automatically" find a match using the power 
> you have set in CONFIG:TUN PWR. 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604]

There was once some hope the K3 would be able to this, using 
transverters.  Sigh.

But with something like the Funcube dongle, it's just a matter of 
software to support the combination.

73, doug

On 25-May-11 18:44, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote:
> yes, the FT-736R, not the number I originally typed. Thanks for catching that.
>
> and yes, full duplex cross band would be essential for satellite work.
>
>
> Lew
>
> On May 25, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>
>>> I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R
>>
>> 736, right?
>>
>> One feature the FT736 has is full duplex cross-band, to support
>> satellite operation.  Is that something the VHF/UHF K3 should have also?
>>
>> Al N1AL
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 11:05 -0700, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote:
>>> Here's another member of the group offering unsolicited product design
>>> ideas to Elecraft...which they surely don't need, but I know they
>>> welcome.
>>>
>>> My "big wish" product for Elecraft would be an adaptation of the K3
>>> with multiple slots for small-ish transverters to make a pure VHF/UHF
>>> rig.
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R, which was
>>> and still is very popular with the weak signal VHF/UHF crowd. It has
>>> four slots for band-specific modules. The rig came standard with
>>> modules for 6 meters and 2 meters installed, and two open slots that
>>> you could fill with 220, 440, and/or 1296 mHz modules. One could also
>>> remove the 6 meter module and use all four slots for vhf/uhf bands.
>>> Hams could buy the bare rig and as many or as few of the band modules
>>> as they wished (sort of a precursor of the K3 modularity, but more
>>> limited than Elecraft's offerings). Even today, with all the whiskers
>>> the 736 has grown over the years (and its mediocre sensitivity), the
>>> "scarce" 222 mHz and 1296 mHz modules fetch $400 to $800 on eBay.
>>>
>>> That, I think, indicates how much demand there is for a rig tailored
>>> specifically for the VHF/UHF contesting crowd, EME and satellite
>>> work.
>>>
>>> The 736 modules put out 25 watts except for 6 meters. Each band had
>>> its own antenna jack, facilitating attachment of amplifiers as desired
>>> with less band-switching complexity.
>>>
>>> I can envision a "K-4" line based on the K3, but with the inside
>>> reconfigured to accept transverter boards plugged into a mother board.
>>> If they could be engineered to output 16 watts, you could get 500
>>> watts out from a dedicated one-band amp with 15 dB gain. With 25 watts
>>> out, you could reach 800 with an amp.  The band-specific amps could go
>>> into a separate box or boxes, "plug and play" with the K-4.  That
>>> would create a great weak signal VHF/UHF setup! The K3 is a marvelous
>>> IF strip as it stands. This would make a more compact and
>>> purpose-specific rig than the K3 plus separate transverters, since you
>>> need a K3 plus a transverter plus a separate amp for each band to
>>> output 500 watts on any UHF band.
>>>
>>> To achieve this, you'd have to take over the space inside the existing
>>> K3 that's used by the internal HF amp and ATU, and maybe the space
>>> allocated for a second receiver (although a second receiver would be
>>> quite valuable for contesting purposes).I don't know how much
>>> re-engineering it would take to reduce the current line of
>>> transverters to a form factor that would fit inside the "K4".  You
>>> could also pick up space by making the "motherboard" a single-band 28
>>> mHz IF strip, plus capability for 6 meters and maybe 2 meters,
>>> depending on available space.
>>>
>>> The circuit board for the current Elecraft transverters has about 65
>>> square inches.  One could fit a "daughter board" into the K3 that
>>> would have about 25 or 30 square inches, so I think the existing
>>> transverter circuit design could be laid out on two  "back to back"
>>> circuit boards that would comprise a one-band module that would be
>>> about 2 inches thick; you could install at least four of such modules
>>> in the K3 form factor.
>>>
>>> That's my 2 cents worth on the "next big idea" coming out of
>>> Watsonville.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lew K6LMP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>
 We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or
 possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would
 substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter
 and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,
 which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR

 On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:

> On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>
>> The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it
>> could be
>> designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that
>> covers 4m
>> apa

Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Info Sign-up Form

[Julian, G4ILO]

No, still the same message. :(

Julian, G4ILO (About to hit the road)







On 26 May 2011 06:38, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft  wrote:
> Odd - I'm seeing a lot of entries come in fine. The host resolution is part
> of the anti-spammer protection.
>
> Give it another try.
>
> 73,
> Eric  (About to go to bed... )
>
>
> On 5/25/2011 10:30 PM, Julian, G4ILO wrote:
>>
>> Just had a chance to try this before I go away for a few days. I don't
>> know
>> if there is a confirmation to prevent anyone putting anyone's email in
>> this
>> form, otherwise you might be in trouble if the spammers find it. But when
>> I
>> tried to submit my data I got: "Form Submission Aborted. You're hostname
>> cannot be resolved from 89.241.2.124."
>>
>>
>> Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>>>
>>> Our sign-up form for new KX3 information, ordering notification etc., is
>>> now on the Elecraft web server. See:
>>> http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3signup.htm
>>>
>>> We'll have the KX3 data sheet and other info up later tomorrow, along
>>> with a link from our main page to this form.
>>>
>>> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
>>> www.elecraft.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -
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>> * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
>> * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
>> * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[n5ge]

Yep,

I wondered about that too..

73,
Tom
Amateur Radio Operator N5GE




On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:21:47 -0700 (PDT), Ken Alexander 
wrote:

>Hi Doug,
>
>I didn't read where it says you contacted Elecraft to discuss this with them.  
>Did you take this up with them before posting here?  If not, then it seems a 
>little unfair to complain publicly before giving them a chance to resolve the 
>problem for you.
>
>73,
>
>Ken Alexander
>VE3HLS
>
>
>
>--- On Wed, 5/25/11, Doug Person  wrote:
>
>> From: Doug Person 
>> Subject: [Elecraft] This really bugs me
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 10:39 PM
>> Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to
>> just hit delete if you don't want 
>> to listen to me complain about your favorite company.
>> 
>> I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from
>> Elecraft.  Just 
>> something fun to build and play with.  The price is
>> $59.95.  OK, fine.  
>> However, they won't ship it First Class even though their
>> website say 
>> First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure
>> the AF1 weighs less 
>> than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little
>> package would 
>> probably be about $2.00 or less.  The next shipping
>> method available is 
>> Priority Mail.  And this is what bugs me - they want
>> $11.98 to ship a 
>> 3oz package.  Even though we've all seen the Flat Rate
>> shipping ads on 
>> TV a million times and I could ship 10 pounds for $5.20 all
>> day.  The 
>> order details also claims the shipping weight is 2
>> pounds.  Really?  I 
>> have an official Priority Mail shipping box stuffed with a
>> comparable 
>> small kit (WM-1 which is actually much heavier)  and
>> as much bubble wrap 
>> as will fit on my official USPS digital scale and it reads
>> way less than 
>> the 14oz First Class limit (like 8oz).  So the bottom
>> line is I'm being 
>> asked to pay $10 more for shipping then is necessary and
>> more than twice 
>> the going rate for the actual shipping method they claim
>> they're going 
>> to use.  Am I just being a cry-baby?  Or perhaps
>> being retired and 
>> living on a fixed income drives me to care very much about
>> (and really 
>> resent) a hidden $10 charge from a highly respected and
>> trusted 
>> company.  I guess I'll just live without the AF-1 or
>> any of the other 
>> small kits I'd like to buy.
>> 
>> Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Info Sign-up Form

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Odd - I'm seeing a lot of entries come in fine. The host resolution is 
part of the anti-spammer protection.

Give it another try.

73,
Eric  (About to go to bed... )


On 5/25/2011 10:30 PM, Julian, G4ILO wrote:
> Just had a chance to try this before I go away for a few days. I don't know
> if there is a confirmation to prevent anyone putting anyone's email in this
> form, otherwise you might be in trouble if the spammers find it. But when I
> tried to submit my data I got: "Form Submission Aborted. You're hostname
> cannot be resolved from 89.241.2.124."
>
>
> Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
>> Our sign-up form for new KX3 information, ordering notification etc., is
>> now on the Elecraft web server. See:
>> http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3signup.htm
>>
>> We'll have the KX3 data sheet and other info up later tomorrow, along
>> with a link from our main page to this form.
>>
>> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
>> www.elecraft.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> -
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> * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
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> * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Info Sign-up Form

[Julian, G4ILO]

Just had a chance to try this before I go away for a few days. I don't know
if there is a confirmation to prevent anyone putting anyone's email in this
form, otherwise you might be in trouble if the spammers find it. But when I
tried to submit my data I got: "Form Submission Aborted. You're hostname
cannot be resolved from 89.241.2.124."


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> 
> Our sign-up form for new KX3 information, ordering notification etc., is 
> now on the Elecraft web server. See:
> http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3signup.htm
> 
> We'll have the KX3 data sheet and other info up later tomorrow, along 
> with a link from our main page to this form.
> 
> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
> www.elecraft.com
> 
> 
> 


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* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

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[Elecraft] KX3 Info Sign-up Form

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Our sign-up form for new KX3 information, ordering notification etc., is 
now on the Elecraft web server. See:
http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3signup.htm

We'll have the KX3 data sheet and other info up later tomorrow, along 
with a link from our main page to this form.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
www.elecraft.com

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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft]

Hi Doug,

That does sound a little high. All of the shipping calculations on the 
order form are estimated and we can easily correct them at time of order 
entry.  There could even be a mistake on the form itself.  Give me a 
call tomorrow morning and we'll take a look at the best way to ship it 
to you at low cost. I'll also check the weight of the packaged unit.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ
831-763-4211

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On 5/25/2011 7:39 PM, Doug Person wrote:
> Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to just hit delete if you don't want
> to listen to me complain about your favorite company.
>
> I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from Elecraft.  Just
> something fun to build and play with.  The price is $59.95.  OK, fine.
> However, they won't ship it First Class even though their website say
> First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure the AF1 weighs less
> than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little package would
> probably be about $2.00 or less.  The next shipping method available is
> Priority Mail.  And this is what bugs me - they want $11.98 to ship a
> 3oz package.  Even though we've all seen the Flat Rate shipping ads on
> TV a million times and I could ship 10 pounds for $5.20 all day.  The
> order details also claims the shipping weight is 2 pounds.  Really?  I
> have an official Priority Mail shipping box stuffed with a comparable
> small kit (WM-1 which is actually much heavier)  and as much bubble wrap
> as will fit on my official USPS digital scale and it reads way less than
> the 14oz First Class limit (like 8oz).  So the bottom line is I'm being
> asked to pay $10 more for shipping then is necessary and more than twice
> the going rate for the actual shipping method they claim they're going
> to use.  Am I just being a cry-baby?  Or perhaps being retired and
> living on a fixed income drives me to care very much about (and really
> resent) a hidden $10 charge from a highly respected and trusted
> company.  I guess I'll just live without the AF-1 or any of the other
> small kits I'd like to buy.
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Ken Alexander]

Hi Doug,

I didn't read where it says you contacted Elecraft to discuss this with them.  
Did you take this up with them before posting here?  If not, then it seems a 
little unfair to complain publicly before giving them a chance to resolve the 
problem for you.

73,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS



--- On Wed, 5/25/11, Doug Person  wrote:

> From: Doug Person 
> Subject: [Elecraft] This really bugs me
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 10:39 PM
> Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to
> just hit delete if you don't want 
> to listen to me complain about your favorite company.
> 
> I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from
> Elecraft.  Just 
> something fun to build and play with.  The price is
> $59.95.  OK, fine.  
> However, they won't ship it First Class even though their
> website say 
> First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure
> the AF1 weighs less 
> than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little
> package would 
> probably be about $2.00 or less.  The next shipping
> method available is 
> Priority Mail.  And this is what bugs me - they want
> $11.98 to ship a 
> 3oz package.  Even though we've all seen the Flat Rate
> shipping ads on 
> TV a million times and I could ship 10 pounds for $5.20 all
> day.  The 
> order details also claims the shipping weight is 2
> pounds.  Really?  I 
> have an official Priority Mail shipping box stuffed with a
> comparable 
> small kit (WM-1 which is actually much heavier)  and
> as much bubble wrap 
> as will fit on my official USPS digital scale and it reads
> way less than 
> the 14oz First Class limit (like 8oz).  So the bottom
> line is I'm being 
> asked to pay $10 more for shipping then is necessary and
> more than twice 
> the going rate for the actual shipping method they claim
> they're going 
> to use.  Am I just being a cry-baby?  Or perhaps
> being retired and 
> living on a fixed income drives me to care very much about
> (and really 
> resent) a hidden $10 charge from a highly respected and
> trusted 
> company.  I guess I'll just live without the AF-1 or
> any of the other 
> small kits I'd like to buy.
> 
> Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Andrew Moore]

"So the bottom line is I'm being asked to pay $10 more for shipping then is
necessary"

"Necessary" might be the key word here.

With all due respect (no harm in you asking the question), no, that's not
the bottom line.  That's assuming they're shipping at exactly the rate that
the post office charges Elecraft.  What about the added costs of acquiring
the packing materials, a person's time to process the order, pack the box,
take it to the PO to deliver -- again, these are real costs -- and allowing
the company to make a reasonable profit so they can stay in business, employ
people, contribute to their health insurance premiums, etc.?  "Markup" isn't
necessarily a four letter word.

73,
--Andrew, NV1B
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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Don Wilhelm]

  Doug,

There are other considerations to choosing either 1st class mail or 
Priority Mail.  One of which is the thickness of the package.  I am 
certain the AF1 will not qualify for the 1/4 inch thickness limit.  That 
is a post office limit, and has nothing to do with Elecraft.  If the 
extra cost of a thick package sent first class exceeds the priority mail 
rate, then nothing is to be gained by shipping 1st class.

Flat Rate shipping can be deceiving.  Lightweight items ship at less 
cost than Flat Rate, even all the way across the US.  Yes, for heavy 
items, Flat Rate is a good way to go, but every shipment has to be 
evaluated for the best rate - not an easy thing to do with an on-line 
order form.

Elecraft is not alone in this shipping predicament.  I agree that it 
often does not make sense on the surface, but I do a lot of USPS 
shipping, and finding the lowest rate is not a simplistic task - that is 
why I wait in line at the post office while the mail clerk tries to 
explain the various options to the customer.  I go in prepared with my 
chosen shipment type, with insurance and delivery confirmation forms 
filled out, and it takes only a few minutes - but then I am an 
experienced shipper and I have done the research on each and every 
shipment - that is not a trivial task that can be included on a standard 
order form.

Also, you are omitting any insurance or delivery confirmation "extra 
services" in your complaints.  The final shipping tally can be very 
different than what initially meets the eye.

And you have not even figured in the cost at Elecraft to package and 
address your parcel - that costs money, and is usually covered in the 
"S&H" line.  It takes time to package your custom order, and someone 
needs to be compensated for that time and effort.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/25/2011 10:39 PM, Doug Person wrote:
> Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to just hit delete if you don't want
> to listen to me complain about your favorite company.
>
> I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from Elecraft.  Just
> something fun to build and play with.  The price is $59.95.  OK, fine.
> However, they won't ship it First Class even though their website say
> First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure the AF1 weighs less
> than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little package would
> probably be about $2.00 or less.  The next shipping method available is
> Priority Mail.  And this is what bugs me - they want $11.98 to ship a
> 3oz package.  Even though we've all seen the Flat Rate shipping ads on
> TV a million times and I could ship 10 pounds for $5.20 all day.  The
> order details also claims the shipping weight is 2 pounds.  Really?  I
> have an official Priority Mail shipping box stuffed with a comparable
> small kit (WM-1 which is actually much heavier)  and as much bubble wrap
> as will fit on my official USPS digital scale and it reads way less than
> the 14oz First Class limit (like 8oz).  So the bottom line is I'm being
> asked to pay $10 more for shipping then is necessary and more than twice
> the going rate for the actual shipping method they claim they're going
> to use.  Am I just being a cry-baby?  Or perhaps being retired and
> living on a fixed income drives me to care very much about (and really
> resent) a hidden $10 charge from a highly respected and trusted
> company.  I guess I'll just live without the AF-1 or any of the other
> small kits I'd like to buy.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Doug Person]

As I said, I weighed a similar, probably heavier kit, fully packed in a 
an official Priority Mail box on an official USPS scale - 8 ozs.
Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/25/2011 8:53 PM, Andrew Moore wrote:
> I'm not taking sides, just making a couple observations:
>
> - I could be wrong but my gut feeling is the AF1 weighs more than 3 oz. (14,
> probably not).  Also, it's not just the weight of the item, but the weight
> of the packaging too.
>
> - It may be reasonable for a company to charge more for shipping than the
> rate that USPS charges the company.  There are added costs such as people's
> time for processing/packaging/delivering/etc... these are real costs.
>
> We can say that they may subsidize these costs by marking up other items
> such as radios, but without knowledge of their business models, we really
> can't make accurate assumptions.
>
> Again I'm not taking sides, just sayin'
>
> --Andrew, NV1B
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Doug Person  wrote:
>
>> Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to just hit delete if you don't want
>> to listen to me complain about your favorite company.
>>
>> I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from Elecraft.  Just
>> something fun to build and play with.  The price is $59.95.  OK, fine.
>> However, they won't ship it First Class even though their website say
>> First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure the AF1 weighs less
>> than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little package would
>> probably be about $2.00 or less.
> ...
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Re: [Elecraft] Why buy a 10w radio?

[Doug Person]

The KX-3 is smaller and lighter than the TS-480 head.  I do have a great 
deal of respect for the TS-480 - its a great rig and excellent as a 
mobile.  I don't know how the receivers will compare once the KX3 is 
actually released.  Personally, I expect the KX3 to be in the 
performance class of the FLEX-1500 - which is pretty good.  I agree with 
your point that the KX3 configuration makes it a true multi-purpose 
rig.  I can't think of anything else that I could pull out of my truck 
and go into the field with as a real Trail-Friendly-Radio.  Pretty 
remarkable concept when you think about it.  Now just give me a way to 
operate 2 meter FM with it as well so I could leave my hand-held home.  
The closest is my FT-817 with the 100 watt PA mounted under the seat.  
It works, but the receiver is not too great.  I think you painted a good 
picture of how the KX3 will probably be a winner for some people.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/25/2011 7:26 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote:
> I tried to figure out how to mount my K3 in my F-150 but could not figure out 
> a
> good way to mount it.  It is just a little bit larger than a Kenwood TS-440, 
> so
> I tried to use a TS-440 mount, but it was just a bit small.  So, I mounted the
> TS-440 in the mobile and it worked fair, but it did not have the optional 
> tuner
> and the dial was almost impossible to see in the sunlight.  It was really too
> big to mount on the front of the console and made me look down when driving.  
> I
> needed something else.
>
> I looked at the Elecraft offerings and did not see a fit for me.  So, I 
> bought a
> TS-480SAT which seemed to be the best fit for what I wanted.  I liked the 
> split
> architecture for mobile use.  Now, just as I got the 480 installed the KX3
> appears.  I like the idea of a battery powered QRP rig with a separate 
> amplifier
> which can be under the seat.  I have not seen the actual dimensions yet, but 
> the
> main KX3 seems to be about the same size as the TS-480 control unit and in 
> fact
> looks a lot like the TS-480.   I like the idea of an operator being able to
> drive to the camping area in his 100 watt mobile, removing the main KX3, 
> putting
> it is his pack and hiking up the mountain for some QRP action, then bragging
> about it while driving home in the 100 watt mobile. 
>
>
> I trust that the Elecraft gang will be able to equal and probably noticeably
> exceed the performance of a TS-480.  I am confident that the mounting hardware
> will be developed and offered.  The price in in the same range as the TS-480 
> if
> the prices that I have heard are close.  It seems like a product with the
> potential to make a lot of operators happy and fill a big need.  
>   Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
> K5EWJ&  Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
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Re: [Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Andrew Moore]

I'm not taking sides, just making a couple observations:

- I could be wrong but my gut feeling is the AF1 weighs more than 3 oz. (14,
probably not).  Also, it's not just the weight of the item, but the weight
of the packaging too.

- It may be reasonable for a company to charge more for shipping than the
rate that USPS charges the company.  There are added costs such as people's
time for processing/packaging/delivering/etc... these are real costs.

We can say that they may subsidize these costs by marking up other items
such as radios, but without knowledge of their business models, we really
can't make accurate assumptions.

Again I'm not taking sides, just sayin'

--Andrew, NV1B


On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Doug Person  wrote:

> Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to just hit delete if you don't want
> to listen to me complain about your favorite company.
>
> I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from Elecraft.  Just
> something fun to build and play with.  The price is $59.95.  OK, fine.
> However, they won't ship it First Class even though their website say
> First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure the AF1 weighs less
> than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little package would
> probably be about $2.00 or less.

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[Elecraft] This really bugs me

[Doug Person]

Excuse the bandwidth and feel free to just hit delete if you don't want 
to listen to me complain about your favorite company.

I ordered an AF1 active filter mini-module from Elecraft.  Just 
something fun to build and play with.  The price is $59.95.  OK, fine.  
However, they won't ship it First Class even though their website say 
First Class is fine for things up to 14oz.  I'm sure the AF1 weighs less 
than 3 ounces.  First Class shipping for this little package would 
probably be about $2.00 or less.  The next shipping method available is 
Priority Mail.  And this is what bugs me - they want $11.98 to ship a 
3oz package.  Even though we've all seen the Flat Rate shipping ads on 
TV a million times and I could ship 10 pounds for $5.20 all day.  The 
order details also claims the shipping weight is 2 pounds.  Really?  I 
have an official Priority Mail shipping box stuffed with a comparable 
small kit (WM-1 which is actually much heavier)  and as much bubble wrap 
as will fit on my official USPS digital scale and it reads way less than 
the 14oz First Class limit (like 8oz).  So the bottom line is I'm being 
asked to pay $10 more for shipping then is necessary and more than twice 
the going rate for the actual shipping method they claim they're going 
to use.  Am I just being a cry-baby?  Or perhaps being retired and 
living on a fixed income drives me to care very much about (and really 
resent) a hidden $10 charge from a highly respected and trusted 
company.  I guess I'll just live without the AF-1 or any of the other 
small kits I'd like to buy.

Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] Why buy a 10w radio?

[WILLIS COOKE]

I tried to figure out how to mount my K3 in my F-150 but could not figure out a 
good way to mount it.  It is just a little bit larger than a Kenwood TS-440, so 
I tried to use a TS-440 mount, but it was just a bit small.  So, I mounted the 
TS-440 in the mobile and it worked fair, but it did not have the optional tuner 
and the dial was almost impossible to see in the sunlight.  It was really too 
big to mount on the front of the console and made me look down when driving.  I 
needed something else.

I looked at the Elecraft offerings and did not see a fit for me.  So, I bought 
a 
TS-480SAT which seemed to be the best fit for what I wanted.  I liked the split 
architecture for mobile use.  Now, just as I got the 480 installed the KX3 
appears.  I like the idea of a battery powered QRP rig with a separate 
amplifier 
which can be under the seat.  I have not seen the actual dimensions yet, but 
the 
main KX3 seems to be about the same size as the TS-480 control unit and in fact 
looks a lot like the TS-480.   I like the idea of an operator being able to 
drive to the camping area in his 100 watt mobile, removing the main KX3, 
putting 
it is his pack and hiking up the mountain for some QRP action, then bragging 
about it while driving home in the 100 watt mobile.  


I trust that the Elecraft gang will be able to equal and probably noticeably 
exceed the performance of a TS-480.  I am confident that the mounting hardware 
will be developed and offered.  The price in in the same range as the TS-480 if 
the prices that I have heard are close.  It seems like a product with the 
potential to make a lot of operators happy and fill a big need.  
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart 
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 #2999 finished- small issue

[Don Baucom]

Problem solved thanks to Don.. Jumper was only covering one pin

#2999 works as it should

73
K4YND

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside

[WW2R Elecraft]

The WE9XUP beacon on 70.005MHz sure makes a lot of appearances in Texas (17
times last year, twice this year already)even though its pointing away
from me from Virginia

Dave

ww2r

Message: 35
Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 19:09:02 -0400
From: Ray Sills 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?
To: "Julian, G4ILO" 
Cc: elecraft 
Message-ID: <63f717a9-7374-49f0-80c9-277233410...@verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

HI Julian:

And now that US TV broadcasting has almost all but vacated the 54-88
MHz  band (Channels 2-6 here), the case can be made that a 70 MHz
band would be good to have on this side of the pond.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
On May 24, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Julian, G4ILO wrote:

>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 antenna tuner question

[Fred Jensen]

On 5/25/2011 3:20 PM, Alexander Sack wrote:

> I'm confused, are their radios that in real-time tune a LC network to
> whatever band/frequency you are on?

If you mean they tune for a match every time you press the key, I don't 
think so.  Most ATU's remember settings as the KAT3 does so they don't 
need to run the matching algorithm [with attendant relay clatter and 
delay finding the match]
>
> If you use an analyzer to graph your VSWR curve across a band, and you
> are pretty flat (say 1:1.5 across the whole band), then you really
> don't need to re-tune after the first shot.

The mfr can't predict what sort of load you're going to put onto the 
ATU.  Every one I know of divides the bands into segments.  Segments are 
small on 160 to keep the ratio of segment size to frequency small. 
Higher frequency bands can have larger segment sizes for the same ratio.

> I think though the ATU has some memory with respect to what band you
> are on which helps.

See previous answer to K1LED who you quoted at the beginning of your post.
>
> I don't think the K3 is any different than other high-end rigs?  Am I wrong?

You are not wrong.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Auto Tuner Question

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

We are shooting for Oct-Nov this year.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
===

On 5/25/2011 4:26 PM, W0UCE wrote:
> Mr. Elecraft Eric:
>
> Would you please be so kind as to let subscribers know a "Loose Approximate
> Period... even something like 3Q 2011 or 1Q 2012" when Elecraft anticipates
> orders will be accepted for an Elecraft Auto Tuner to go with the KPA500?
>
> Thanks,
> Jack W0UCE
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[Elecraft] KPA 500 Auto Tuner Question

[W0UCE]

Mr. Elecraft Eric: 
 
Would you please be so kind as to let subscribers know a "Loose Approximate
Period... even something like 3Q 2011 or 1Q 2012" when Elecraft anticipates
orders will be accepted for an Elecraft Auto Tuner to go with the KPA500?  
 
Thanks,
Jack W0UCE
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[Alan Bloom]

For many years I have used Circad http://www.holophase.com/ for block
diagrams, schematics and PCB layouts.  It is intuitive and easy to learn
and at the same time quite powerful.  The free evaluation version has
full functionality except for support for some file formats.  You can't
output Gerber files, although you can still print your PCB layouts to a
laser printer.  Also I don't think the eval version supports creating
custom parts libraries.

If you want the full version, I believe they still offer licenses to ham
radio operators (for non-commercial use) for $300.  The serial number is
your callsign.  :=)

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 19:07 -0400, John wrote:
> For electrical "block" diagrams I use Visio; Many have used Word and 
> Powerpoint too, but that's not really a proper solution.
> 
> For electrical schematics I have used OrCAD DOS, OrCAD Windows and 
> Tango, but now prefer Eagle from CadSoft.  They have a 
> design-size-limited free version and a usable version for $50.  The 
> libraries are pretty nice.
> 
> John
> 
> On 5/25/11 5:32 PM, brucet wrote:
> > I asked this once an can't find my silly notes.  What was the name of that
> > software you guys are using to draw electrical block diagrams?  I used it
> > over a year ago and my machine blew up and I lost it.  Time to get back to
> > that project but now can't remember its name.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce  KG0SH
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[Jack Smith]

I use DipTrace for all Clifton Laboratories PCB work and like it a great 
deal. It's much more intuitive than Eagle.

Jack K8ZOA


On 5/25/2011 6:18 PM, Sverre Holm (LA3ZA) wrote:
> I would recommend DipTrace over Eagle. Although Eagle is used by almost
> everyone, DipTrace is a much more modern program with a user interface which
> looks much more familiar to most computer users. Therefore the learning
> curve is much less steep for the occasional user.
>
> It will draw circuit diagrams and layout PCBs. It can import Eagle files if
> required. There is a free version restricted to 500 pins, and PCBs with 2
> layeres which is enough for most hobby users. See  http://www.diptrace.com/
> http://www.diptrace.com/
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[John]

For electrical "block" diagrams I use Visio; Many have used Word and 
Powerpoint too, but that's not really a proper solution.

For electrical schematics I have used OrCAD DOS, OrCAD Windows and 
Tango, but now prefer Eagle from CadSoft.  They have a 
design-size-limited free version and a usable version for $50.  The 
libraries are pretty nice.

John

On 5/25/11 5:32 PM, brucet wrote:
> I asked this once an can't find my silly notes.  What was the name of that
> software you guys are using to draw electrical block diagrams?  I used it
> over a year ago and my machine blew up and I lost it.  Time to get back to
> that project but now can't remember its name.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Bruce  KG0SH
>
> Golden, Co
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 antenna tuner question

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

It is also engaged/bypassed per band per antenna according to the
remembered setting on that band/antenna combination.  73, Guy.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> "Automatic" is a word with lots of meanings.  When it is in "AUTO" and
> you tap ATU TUNE, it will "automatically" find a match using the power
> you have set in CONFIG:TUN PWR.  Mine is set to 5W.  It then "remembers"
> the L/C settings for that band segment for the ANT selection you are
> using [1 or 2].  The next time you are in that band segment using that
> ANT selection, it recalls the settings the first time you transmit [PTT
> or KEY].
>
> The band segment sizes depend on the band.  I believe they are:
>
>        160: 10 KHz
>        80-12: 20 KHz
>        10: 100 KHz
>        6: 200 KHz
>
> You can just let the memorized settings accrue as you operate normally,
> or you can methodically go through the bands and set them all.  I did
> the latter, tuning to the middle of each segment with the antenna I
> normally use, and tapping ATU TUNE.  Seems to work really good.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 5/23/2011 4:45 PM, Bill Swindell - K1LED wrote:
>> I have a K3/100 with the internal antenna tuner. The config is set to AUTO
>> but it seems that I still have to press the ATU tune button to get the ATU
>> to properly tune when I change bands. Is it supposed to be automatic or not?
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[Elecraft] [KPA500] Pre-release Assembly Manual

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

The pre-release KPA500 Assembly manual can now be found at:
http://snipurl.com/kpa500assy

73, Eric   WA6HHQ

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 antenna tuner question

[Fred Jensen]

"Automatic" is a word with lots of meanings.  When it is in "AUTO" and 
you tap ATU TUNE, it will "automatically" find a match using the power 
you have set in CONFIG:TUN PWR.  Mine is set to 5W.  It then "remembers" 
the L/C settings for that band segment for the ANT selection you are 
using [1 or 2].  The next time you are in that band segment using that 
ANT selection, it recalls the settings the first time you transmit [PTT 
or KEY].

The band segment sizes depend on the band.  I believe they are:

160: 10 KHz
80-12: 20 KHz
10: 100 KHz
6: 200 KHz

You can just let the memorized settings accrue as you operate normally, 
or you can methodically go through the bands and set them all.  I did 
the latter, tuning to the middle of each segment with the antenna I 
normally use, and tapping ATU TUNE.  Seems to work really good.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011
- www.cqp.org

On 5/23/2011 4:45 PM, Bill Swindell - K1LED wrote:
> I have a K3/100 with the internal antenna tuner. The config is set to AUTO
> but it seems that I still have to press the ATU tune button to get the ATU
> to properly tune when I change bands. Is it supposed to be automatic or not?
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] [K3] K3, SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer

[R. Kevin Stover]

Or, use DX Labs for logging.


On Wed, 25 May 2011 13:26:08 -0700
"ai6ii"  wrote:
> There appears to be something amiss
> in the format of the telnet spots the Skimmer sends, and that HRD
> cannot accept. If it did accept the spots, then I could simply click
> on the spots in HRD (which originated in Skimmer) and get my logging
> and frequency changing done the 'normal' HRD way. 
> Soo close.ah well. That's where I am in this amazing new
> world of ham radio.
>  
> ..mike AI6II

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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[R. Kevin Stover]

Just re-iterating David's advice.

In my former life I worked in a factory.

My former boss had to get a pacer and was told specifically to stay
away from large magnetic fields. Well, the large, three phase 480V
motors used on large machinery like press brakes, shears, and even
transformers in production welders put off big magnetic fields while
running.

The company had the factory tested for magnetic fields to find out how
close he could safely get. On the big stuff the limit was 20 feet so
that was the limit they set for the entire factory. The company painted
20 foot radius yellow marks on the floor as a reminder for him to stay
back.

I had to toss him out of my welding booth one day because he got too
close.


On Wed, 25 May 2011 20:42:05 +0100
"David Ferrington, M0XDF"  wrote:

> not RFI heard about here, but certainly magnetism. I know someone
> with a P/M and they had to be careful about lots of motor type stuff
> and significantly, security scanners in airports
> 
> Suggest you discuss this with your consultant and google it
> 73 de M0XDF
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 antenna tuner question

[Alexander Sack]

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Bill Swindell - K1LED
 wrote:
> I have a K3/100 with the internal antenna tuner. The config is set to AUTO
> but it seems that I still have to press the ATU tune button to get the ATU
> to properly tune when I change bands. Is it supposed to be automatic or not?


I'm confused, are their radios that in real-time tune a LC network to
whatever band/frequency you are on?

If you use an analyzer to graph your VSWR curve across a band, and you
are pretty flat (say 1:1.5 across the whole band), then you really
don't need to re-tune after the first shot.

However, when you switch bands you switch frequency which means unless
your VSWR is low across all bands of interest, you need to tune up
again.

I think though the ATU has some memory with respect to what band you
are on which helps.

I don't think the K3 is any different than other high-end rigs?  Am I wrong?

-aps (KC2ZSX)
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)]

I would recommend DipTrace over Eagle. Although Eagle is used by almost
everyone, DipTrace is a much more modern program with a user interface which
looks much more familiar to most computer users. Therefore the learning
curve is much less steep for the occasional user. 

It will draw circuit diagrams and layout PCBs. It can import Eagle files if
required. There is a free version restricted to 500 pins, and PCBs with 2
layeres which is enough for most hobby users. See  http://www.diptrace.com/
http://www.diptrace.com/  

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Sverre, LA3ZA

K2 #2198, K3 #3391
LA3ZA Unofficial Guide to K2 modifications 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[Phil Kane]

On 5/25/2011 2:01 PM, FRED TOWNSEND wrote:

> Also the designers of pacemakers are usually focused on medical
> function and may miss critical RFI errors.

  The first generation of pacemakers were very susceptible to
  "audio" rectification.  After a great deal of pressure from the
  FCC and others, they learned how to protect the later pacemaker
  generations from that.

--  73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU]

The ante for all-band has been upped with Alinco's 220 MHz/900 Mhz entry
(adding to their existing 144/440/1200 HT), two bands the FT-817 doesn't
have.

Leigh/WA5ZNU

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU]

I saw a new one at the Maker Faire called upverter.com.  It's web-based and
free but all of your designs are published.
They plan to have PCB routing and discounts at fab services, but for now
it's just the schematic capture.
Leigh/WA5ZNU

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Eagle?
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On 25 May 2011, at 22:32, brucet wrote:

> I asked this once an can't find my silly notes.  What was the name of that
> software you guys are using to draw electrical block diagrams?  I used it
> over a year ago and my machine blew up and I lost it.  Time to get back to
> that project but now can't remember its name.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce  KG0SH
> 
> Golden, Co
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[Elecraft] OT: Software to draw electical block diagrams?

[brucet]

I asked this once an can't find my silly notes.  What was the name of that
software you guys are using to draw electrical block diagrams?  I used it
over a year ago and my machine blew up and I lost it.  Time to get back to
that project but now can't remember its name.

 

Thanks!

 

Bruce  KG0SH

Golden, Co

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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[Rich Bobb]

On 5/25/11 5:01 PM, FRED TOWNSEND wrote:
> Larry I do RFI engineering. Pacemakers are a lot like avionics relative to ham
> radio. The working spectrums for pacemakers, avionics, and ham radios are 
> widely
> separated by both frequency and function. The probability of their mutual
> interaction is very small. Unfortunately the penalty for even small errors in
> pacemakers or avionics is very high. The testing is extensive but there is no
> way one can conceive of all error modes therefore testing will always be
> incomplete.
>
> Also the designers of pacemakers are usually focused on medical function and 
> may
> miss critical RFI errors.
>
> Use your skills learned in ham radio to follow the electronics of your own
> pacemaker. Pay particular attention to how the doctor adjusts the pacemaker.
> This is not so you can do your own tweaking. Rather this is to avoid 
> inadvertent
> ham radio actions that may also effect your pacemaker. Knowledge is your best
> defense.
>
> 73
> de Fred, AE6QL
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: K2GN
> To: Elecraft
> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:35:31 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question
>
> I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.
>
> Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?
>
>
>
> de K2GN - Larry   - http://k2gn.com
>
>
> K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51  LPA500
>
>
>
>
>
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Take a look at AA2KI on QRZ for any pacemaker and RFI concerns.

Rich, K2  #7115K3  #5228
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[Elecraft] K3 antenna tuner question

[Bill Swindell - K1LED]

I have a K3/100 with the internal antenna tuner. The config is set to AUTO
but it seems that I still have to press the ATU tune button to get the ATU
to properly tune when I change bands. Is it supposed to be automatic or not?

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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[FRED TOWNSEND]

Larry I do RFI engineering. Pacemakers are a lot like avionics relative to ham 
radio. The working spectrums for pacemakers, avionics, and ham radios are 
widely 
separated by both frequency and function. The probability of their mutual 
interaction is very small. Unfortunately the penalty for even small errors in 
pacemakers or avionics is very high. The testing is extensive but there is no 
way one can conceive of all error modes therefore testing will always be 
incomplete.

Also the designers of pacemakers are usually focused on medical function and 
may 
miss critical RFI errors.

Use your skills learned in ham radio to follow the electronics of your own 
pacemaker. Pay particular attention to how the doctor adjusts the pacemaker. 
This is not so you can do your own tweaking. Rather this is to avoid 
inadvertent 
ham radio actions that may also effect your pacemaker. Knowledge is your best 
defense.

73
de Fred, AE6QL





From: K2GN 
To: Elecraft  
Sent: Wed, May 25, 2011 12:35:31 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.

Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?



de K2GN - Larry   - http://k2gn.com 


K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51  LPA500






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[Elecraft] Elecraft] [K3] K3, SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer

[ai6ii]

I have been experimenting with using a K3, P3, SDR-IQ, CW Skimmer and HRD
(for logging purposes) with some pretty good results. First off, I found out
that CW Skimmer wants to connect directly to and control the SDR-IQ (using
SDR-IQ mode.) That meant I could not use the K3 IF link, rather I had to
have the SDR-IQ share the antenna with the K3. That is pretty easy with a
BNC tee connector hooked to the SDR-IQ and patch cables back to the KX3V RX
ANT In and Out.Hit the K3's RX ANT button so that on transmit the K3 has the
antenna exclusively but on receive the antenna is shared with the SDR-IQ
(actually the receive sig is split between the two with about a 3db loss.) I
did this for a while and then purchase an amp/splitter to eliminate the loss
and provide better isolation from Clifton Labs. It is due to arrive
tomorrow!
 
The hard part was figuring out how to share control of the K3 so that I
could use the telnet function of CW Skimmer to change the K3 (and HRD's)
frequency. What worked out best for me was using LP-Bridge to share the
physical COM port between HRD and Commander (another control program from
DXLabs) then use the SkimmerToCommander bridge executable I found on the
DXLabs site. The SkimmerToCommander program allows me to click on a spot in
Skimmer and have the frequency change in Commander (and therefore the
K3)...and since HRD also is in contact with the K3 through a virtual port,
it follows the same frequency change for logging purposes. Change the VFO
knob on the K3 and Skimmer responds. So everything is talking to every other
thing and keeping everything in sync!
 
The one piece I am still miffed by is that I really want HRD to
automatically grab the call sign that Skimmer has produced, and place it in
the logging capture dialog box. The simple way is to point the HRD spotter
to Skimmer's telnet address (I have done that.) And HRD does in fact see the
spots. Unfortunately it can only report them in the console to announcement
mode. There appears to be something amiss in the format of the telnet spots
the Skimmer sends, and that HRD cannot accept. If it did accept the spots,
then I could simply click on the spots in HRD (which originated in Skimmer)
and get my logging and frequency changing done the 'normal' HRD way.
 
Soo close.ah well. That's where I am in this amazing new world of
ham radio.
 
..mike AI6II
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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[Bill Adams]

I've had a pacer since 1983 (on my fourth one now) and I   had a few issues but 
only with the first one. Primary problem was with corded drill, skilsaw and 
router rather than ham equipment. The last ones present no noticeable issues. 

Bill af4b

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From: K2GN
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 14:35
To: Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.

Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?

 

de K2GN - Larry   - http://k2gn.com 


K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51  LPA500

 

 


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[Elecraft] Fwd: Re: OT -RFI question

[Duncan Carter]

On 5/25/2011 1:35 PM, K2GN wrote:
>  I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.
>
>  Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?
I've seen a ham have rfi problems win a commercial broadcast and two way
radio shack.

Dunc, W5DC




>
>
>  de K2GN - Larry- http://k2gn.com
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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

not RFI heard about here, but certainly magnetism. I know someone with a P/M 
and they had to be careful about lots of motor type stuff and significantly, 
security scanners in airports

Suggest you discuss this with your consultant and google it
73 de M0XDF
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accident? -Norma [Children's Letters to God, 1991]

On 25 May 2011, at 20:35, K2GN wrote:

> I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.
> 
> Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?

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Re: [Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[John Ragle]

Suggest you read:   
http://www.ce-mag.com/archive/2000/novdec/kimmel.htmlas a 
preliminary source.

John Ragle -- W1ZI

=

On 5/25/2011 3:35 PM, K2GN wrote:
> I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.
>
> Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?
>
>
>
> de K2GN - Larry   - http://k2gn.com
>
>
> K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51  LPA500
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[Elecraft] OT -RFI question

[K2GN]

I'm getting a Pacemaker installed.

Has anyone heard of RFI issues with Pacemakers?

 

de K2GN - Larry   - http://k2gn.com 


K3 S/N - 3278P3 S/N - 51  LPA500

 

 


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[Elecraft] kx3 solderless?

[gerald bokowy]

Well then where is that sing up sheet?
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Lew Phelps K6LMP]

yes, the FT-736R, not the number I originally typed. Thanks for catching that.

and yes, full duplex cross band would be essential for satellite work.


Lew

On May 25, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:

>> I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R
> 
> 736, right?
> 
> One feature the FT736 has is full duplex cross-band, to support
> satellite operation.  Is that something the VHF/UHF K3 should have also?
> 
> Al N1AL
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 11:05 -0700, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote:
>> Here's another member of the group offering unsolicited product design
>> ideas to Elecraft...which they surely don't need, but I know they
>> welcome. 
>> 
>> My "big wish" product for Elecraft would be an adaptation of the K3
>> with multiple slots for small-ish transverters to make a pure VHF/UHF
>> rig.
>> 
>> I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R, which was
>> and still is very popular with the weak signal VHF/UHF crowd. It has
>> four slots for band-specific modules. The rig came standard with
>> modules for 6 meters and 2 meters installed, and two open slots that
>> you could fill with 220, 440, and/or 1296 mHz modules. One could also
>> remove the 6 meter module and use all four slots for vhf/uhf bands.
>> Hams could buy the bare rig and as many or as few of the band modules
>> as they wished (sort of a precursor of the K3 modularity, but more
>> limited than Elecraft's offerings). Even today, with all the whiskers
>> the 736 has grown over the years (and its mediocre sensitivity), the
>> "scarce" 222 mHz and 1296 mHz modules fetch $400 to $800 on eBay.   
>> 
>> That, I think, indicates how much demand there is for a rig tailored
>> specifically for the VHF/UHF contesting crowd, EME and satellite
>> work.  
>> 
>> The 736 modules put out 25 watts except for 6 meters. Each band had
>> its own antenna jack, facilitating attachment of amplifiers as desired
>> with less band-switching complexity. 
>> 
>> I can envision a "K-4" line based on the K3, but with the inside
>> reconfigured to accept transverter boards plugged into a mother board.
>> If they could be engineered to output 16 watts, you could get 500
>> watts out from a dedicated one-band amp with 15 dB gain. With 25 watts
>> out, you could reach 800 with an amp.  The band-specific amps could go
>> into a separate box or boxes, "plug and play" with the K-4.  That
>> would create a great weak signal VHF/UHF setup! The K3 is a marvelous
>> IF strip as it stands. This would make a more compact and
>> purpose-specific rig than the K3 plus separate transverters, since you
>> need a K3 plus a transverter plus a separate amp for each band to
>> output 500 watts on any UHF band. 
>> 
>> To achieve this, you'd have to take over the space inside the existing
>> K3 that's used by the internal HF amp and ATU, and maybe the space
>> allocated for a second receiver (although a second receiver would be
>> quite valuable for contesting purposes).I don't know how much
>> re-engineering it would take to reduce the current line of
>> transverters to a form factor that would fit inside the "K4".  You
>> could also pick up space by making the "motherboard" a single-band 28
>> mHz IF strip, plus capability for 6 meters and maybe 2 meters,
>> depending on available space. 
>> 
>> The circuit board for the current Elecraft transverters has about 65
>> square inches.  One could fit a "daughter board" into the K3 that
>> would have about 25 or 30 square inches, so I think the existing
>> transverter circuit design could be laid out on two  "back to back"
>> circuit boards that would comprise a one-band module that would be
>> about 2 inches thick; you could install at least four of such modules
>> in the K3 form factor.
>> 
>> That's my 2 cents worth on the "next big idea" coming out of
>> Watsonville.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Lew K6LMP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 25, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>>> We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or  
>>> possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would  
>>> substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter  
>>> and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,  
>>> which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
>>> 
 On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
 
 
> The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it  
> could be
> designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that  
> covers 4m
> apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies.
 
 Oh yes - Hilberling does:
 http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf
 
 -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Julian, G4ILO]

Ideally I would too. On the other hand, I already have a T1. So I use
something I've already got and save myself the cost of the internal ATU to
put towards the transverter, which might even cover 4m as well as 2! Every
cloud has a silver lining!


M0XDF wrote:
> 
> Hmmm - shame - since I'd like both - ok so the FT-817 doesn't have the ATU
> and so the KX3 with a 2m option and external ATU is about the same, but
> with obviously better HF than the 817.
> 
> On 25 May 2011, at 17:29, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 
>> We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or  
>> possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would  
>> substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter  
>> and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,  
>> which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.
>> 
> 


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[Elecraft] K144XV finals protection?

[John Webster]

What level of protection does the K144XV (internal K3 2m transverter)  
have for its finals,
with respect to high SWR and temperature?  Fold-back?  Shutdown?

I accidentally transmitted into my G5RV for a brief period (FM) with  
no apparent harm.  I can still
raise the repeaters:)  Just want to be properly informed.  I can find  
nothing about this is the manual
or archives.

Thanks & 73

John, N6JW
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Alan Bloom]

> I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R

736, right?

One feature the FT736 has is full duplex cross-band, to support
satellite operation.  Is that something the VHF/UHF K3 should have also?

Al N1AL


On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 11:05 -0700, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote:
> Here's another member of the group offering unsolicited product design
> ideas to Elecraft...which they surely don't need, but I know they
> welcome. 
> 
> My "big wish" product for Elecraft would be an adaptation of the K3
> with multiple slots for small-ish transverters to make a pure VHF/UHF
> rig.
> 
> I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R, which was
> and still is very popular with the weak signal VHF/UHF crowd. It has
> four slots for band-specific modules. The rig came standard with
> modules for 6 meters and 2 meters installed, and two open slots that
> you could fill with 220, 440, and/or 1296 mHz modules. One could also
> remove the 6 meter module and use all four slots for vhf/uhf bands.
> Hams could buy the bare rig and as many or as few of the band modules
> as they wished (sort of a precursor of the K3 modularity, but more
> limited than Elecraft's offerings). Even today, with all the whiskers
> the 736 has grown over the years (and its mediocre sensitivity), the
> "scarce" 222 mHz and 1296 mHz modules fetch $400 to $800 on eBay.   
> 
> That, I think, indicates how much demand there is for a rig tailored
> specifically for the VHF/UHF contesting crowd, EME and satellite
> work.  
> 
> The 736 modules put out 25 watts except for 6 meters. Each band had
> its own antenna jack, facilitating attachment of amplifiers as desired
> with less band-switching complexity. 
> 
> I can envision a "K-4" line based on the K3, but with the inside
> reconfigured to accept transverter boards plugged into a mother board.
> If they could be engineered to output 16 watts, you could get 500
> watts out from a dedicated one-band amp with 15 dB gain. With 25 watts
> out, you could reach 800 with an amp.  The band-specific amps could go
> into a separate box or boxes, "plug and play" with the K-4.  That
> would create a great weak signal VHF/UHF setup! The K3 is a marvelous
> IF strip as it stands. This would make a more compact and
> purpose-specific rig than the K3 plus separate transverters, since you
> need a K3 plus a transverter plus a separate amp for each band to
> output 500 watts on any UHF band. 
> 
> To achieve this, you'd have to take over the space inside the existing
> K3 that's used by the internal HF amp and ATU, and maybe the space
> allocated for a second receiver (although a second receiver would be
> quite valuable for contesting purposes).I don't know how much
> re-engineering it would take to reduce the current line of
> transverters to a form factor that would fit inside the "K4".  You
> could also pick up space by making the "motherboard" a single-band 28
> mHz IF strip, plus capability for 6 meters and maybe 2 meters,
> depending on available space. 
> 
> The circuit board for the current Elecraft transverters has about 65
> square inches.  One could fit a "daughter board" into the K3 that
> would have about 25 or 30 square inches, so I think the existing
> transverter circuit design could be laid out on two  "back to back"
> circuit boards that would comprise a one-band module that would be
> about 2 inches thick; you could install at least four of such modules
> in the K3 form factor.
> 
> That's my 2 cents worth on the "next big idea" coming out of
> Watsonville.
> 
> 73
> 
> Lew K6LMP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 
> > We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or  
> > possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would  
> > substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter  
> > and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,  
> > which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.
> > 
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> > 
> > On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
> > 
> >> On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it  
> >>> could be
> >>> designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that  
> >>> covers 4m
> >>> apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies.
> >> 
> >> Oh yes - Hilberling does:
> >> http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> OV1A Jens
> >> 
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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 solderless?

[Dave KQ3T]

Not to mention that the size/weight/performance would seem to dictate 
use of SMDs.

73,
Dave KQ3T

On 5/25/2011 2:03 PM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:
> I'd be shocked if it wasn't.
>
> Less than one in 10 kit builders have the skill or equipment necessary
> to do reliable SMT construction. We might be able to pull off the
> occasional SMT part swap but that's a different animal than fully
> populating a bare board with SMT parts.
>
> Why would Elecraft open themselves up to that kind of support nightmare?
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:50:25 -0500
> "gerald bokowy"  wrote:
>
>> Is the plan for the KX3 to be asolderless kit?

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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 solderless?

[Wayne Burdick]

It will be a no-soldering kit. There are hundreds of SMDs, so the  
boards have to be pre-aligned and tested.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On May 25, 2011, at 11:03 AM, R. Kevin Stover wrote:

> I'd be shocked if it wasn't.
>
> Less than one in 10 kit builders have the skill or equipment necessary
> to do reliable SMT construction. We might be able to pull off the
> occasional SMT part swap but that's a different animal than fully
> populating a bare board with SMT parts.
>
> Why would Elecraft open themselves up to that kind of support  
> nightmare?
>
>
>
> On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:50:25 -0500
> "gerald bokowy"  wrote:
>
>> Is the plan for the KX3 to be asolderless kit?
> -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Lew Phelps K6LMP]

Here's another member of the group offering unsolicited product design ideas to 
Elecraft...which they surely don't need, but I know they welcome. 

My "big wish" product for Elecraft would be an adaptation of the K3 with 
multiple slots for small-ish transverters to make a pure VHF/UHF rig.

I'm thinking of an up-to-date version of the Yaesu FT-936R, which was and still 
is very popular with the weak signal VHF/UHF crowd. It has four slots for 
band-specific modules. The rig came standard with modules for 6 meters and 2 
meters installed, and two open slots that you could fill with 220, 440, and/or 
1296 mHz modules. One could also remove the 6 meter module and use all four 
slots for vhf/uhf bands.  Hams could buy the bare rig and as many or as few of 
the band modules as they wished (sort of a precursor of the K3 modularity, but 
more limited than Elecraft's offerings). Even today, with all the whiskers the 
736 has grown over the years (and its mediocre sensitivity), the "scarce" 222 
mHz and 1296 mHz modules fetch $400 to $800 on eBay.   

That, I think, indicates how much demand there is for a rig tailored 
specifically for the VHF/UHF contesting crowd, EME and satellite work.  

The 736 modules put out 25 watts except for 6 meters. Each band had its own 
antenna jack, facilitating attachment of amplifiers as desired with less 
band-switching complexity. 

I can envision a "K-4" line based on the K3, but with the inside reconfigured 
to accept transverter boards plugged into a mother board. If they could be 
engineered to output 16 watts, you could get 500 watts out from a dedicated 
one-band amp with 15 dB gain. With 25 watts out, you could reach 800 with an 
amp.  The band-specific amps could go into a separate box or boxes, "plug and 
play" with the K-4.  That would create a great weak signal VHF/UHF setup! The 
K3 is a marvelous IF strip as it stands. This would make a more compact and 
purpose-specific rig than the K3 plus separate transverters, since you need a 
K3 plus a transverter plus a separate amp for each band to output 500 watts on 
any UHF band. 

To achieve this, you'd have to take over the space inside the existing K3 
that's used by the internal HF amp and ATU, and maybe the space allocated for a 
second receiver (although a second receiver would be quite valuable for 
contesting purposes).I don't know how much re-engineering it would take to 
reduce the current line of transverters to a form factor that would fit inside 
the "K4".  You could also pick up space by making the "motherboard" a 
single-band 28 mHz IF strip, plus capability for 6 meters and maybe 2 meters, 
depending on available space. 

The circuit board for the current Elecraft transverters has about 65 square 
inches.  One could fit a "daughter board" into the K3 that would have about 25 
or 30 square inches, so I think the existing transverter circuit design could 
be laid out on two  "back to back" circuit boards that would comprise a 
one-band module that would be about 2 inches thick; you could install at least 
four of such modules in the K3 form factor.

That's my 2 cents worth on the "next big idea" coming out of Watsonville.

73

Lew K6LMP





 




 
On May 25, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or  
> possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would  
> substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter  
> and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,  
> which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it  
>>> could be
>>> designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that  
>>> covers 4m
>>> apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies.
>> 
>> Oh yes - Hilberling does:
>> http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf
>> 
>> -- 
>> OV1A Jens
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 solderless?

[R. Kevin Stover]

I'd be shocked if it wasn't.

Less than one in 10 kit builders have the skill or equipment necessary
to do reliable SMT construction. We might be able to pull off the
occasional SMT part swap but that's a different animal than fully
populating a bare board with SMT parts. 

Why would Elecraft open themselves up to that kind of support nightmare?



On Wed, 25 May 2011 12:50:25 -0500
"gerald bokowy"  wrote:

> Is the plan for the KX3 to be asolderless kit?
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Re: [Elecraft] kx3 solderless?

[Ed Muns]

gerald bokowy asked:
 
> Is the plan for the KX3 to be asolderless kit?

Yes.

Ed - W0YK

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[Elecraft] kx3 solderless?

[gerald bokowy]

Is the plan for the KX3 to be asolderless kit?
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[Elecraft] Why buy a 10w radio?

[Jim Lowman]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, especially when it comes to 
perceived value vs. cost. However I, for one, appreciate Elecraft's 
philosophy of allowing one to start with a base model and add options as 
desired or needed. This has been true since the K2 and carries forward 
to the K1, K3 and now the KX3. In my case, I enjoy QRP operation and 
already have an Ten-Tec Eagle, Pegasus, FT-847 and Drake T-4XC that will 
put out 100+ watts if needed. This way I'm not paying a premium for 
unneeded power. Also, at the time that I bought the basic K2,I didn't 
think that there was enough QRP SSB action to warrant adding the SSB 
option. Recent activities have changed my mind on that issue. Now I have 
a fairly fully-loaded K2, with features added as needed or wanted. The 
only disadvantage has been that over a 10-year period, adding 
capabilities has necessitated upgrading the firmware, which is 
hardware-based. I expect this not to be a problem with the KX3, since 
Wayne mentioned that the design is SDR. In short, saving money on 
unneeded features is my rationale for liking the way that Elecraft 
designs their products. 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW On 20 May 2011, at 17:03, 
Merv Schweigert wrote:

> >  Not enough power and way too many bucks.
> >  
> >  On another subject,  why do you guys all buy QRP, limited
> >  function radios and then wish to add a 100 watt amp?
> >  
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3

[Ian Maude]

http://twitpic.com/photos/ke9v

http://www.qrparci.org/content/view/8380/118/

Enjoy :)

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On 25 May 2011 18:17, Scott McDowell  wrote:

> Hello
> Well I am about to show my ignorance again which I don't really like to do,
> but here goes.
> I don't always read all the messages on his reflector because there is
> getting to be too many of them.
> But lately I have been seeing a lot about a KX3. Exactly what is it? Is it
> an add on accessory
> for the K3, another stand alone transceiver, or what? I presently have a
> K3/100 with the ATU,
> and am thinking about a K2/10 as a backup rig. If the KX3 is a stand
> alone transceeiver,
> does it out shine the k2/10 for backup purposes, and what kind of
> power output does it have ?
> Any info on  it willl be appreciated.
> Scott n5sm
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500

[Richard Squire - HB9ANM]

Hope the test is going on smoothly - I want to learn the assembly manual ba
heart by the time the kit arrives, hi!

73
Richard


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> 
> We are testing it versus an actual kit build right now. Stay tuned.
> 
> 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Wayne Burdick]

The KX3 will have outstanding QSK with very clean, DSP-shaped keying,  
and no ALC or synthesizer artifacts.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On May 25, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>
> The ability to produce fast T/R without artifacts is now at the top  
> of my
> list when considering any new rig whether it's QRP or QRO.  It tops  
> all
> other performance parameters. It's *the* reason why I have not  
> gravitated to
> most other SDR rigs.
>
> Paul, W9AC



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[Elecraft] KX3

[Scott McDowell]

Hello
Well I am about to show my ignorance again which I don't really like to do, but 
here goes.
I don't always read all the messages on his reflector because there is getting 
to be too many of them.
But lately I have been seeing a lot about a KX3. Exactly what is it? Is it an 
add on accessory
for the K3, another stand alone transceiver, or what? I presently have a K3/100 
with the ATU,
and am thinking about a K2/10 as a backup rig. If the KX3 is a stand 
alone transceeiver, 
does it out shine the k2/10 for backup purposes, and what kind of power output 
does it have ?
Any info on  it willl be appreciated.
Scott n5sm
n...@yahoo.com
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Wayne Burdick]

> I assume we could drive an XV144 from the KX3, and I'd guess the  
> XV144 would be a better transverter?

A good bet. The KX3's will be 2x3 inches. We have some invention to  
do :)

Wayne


> 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
> -- 
> A child, like your stomach, doesn't need all you can afford to give  
> it.
> -Frank A. Clark, writer (1911- )
>
> On 25 May 2011, at 17:29, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>> We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter  
>> (or
>> possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would
>> substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter
>> and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft  
>> T1,
>> which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>> On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>>>
>>>
 The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it
 could be
 designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that
 covers 4m
 apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies.
>>>
>>> Oh yes - Hilberling does:
>>> http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 #2999 finished- small issue

[Don Wilhelm]

  Do you have the jumper on the 3 pin header near the BNC jack placed 
correctly?  It should be on the KAT1 position if the KAT1 is installed 
or in the K1 position without the KAT1.
If it is not placed correctly, the power control will not be correct and 
the display will show zero power (actually it will read 0.1).

If the jumper is correct, and you still have problems, check the two 1% 
resistors on the bottom of the board near the BNC jack (in the corner of 
the RF Board).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/25/2011 12:26 PM, Don Baucom wrote:
> I finished my K1 works great, I see I am getting 5 watts out on my SWR
> meter.. I have made several QSO's already.. My problem is during alignment
> the power meter always said P=0.1 no matter what I did. Also when I transmit
> I do not see the bars that are supposed to show a bar per watt. I do see a
> random numer pop on the dispaly every now and then when I transmit. one time
> it was 13.6 another time 20 something. It does not happen all the time. I
> have alligned the swr meter so I do not think that has any bearing.
>
> Any Ideas?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Phil & Debbie Salas]

"...The Icom 703 was not a flop--far from it. ...'

I totally agree.  After I bought an IC-703, I sold my FT-817 and SG-2020. 
The IC-703 internal tuner was great, and 10 watts was a good output level. 
And, of course, included DSP and speech processing.  The only thing was that 
it didn't have good QSK operation (like most rigs don't have, including the 
FT-817 and SG-2020).

Anyway, I'll be signing up for the KX3 as soon as I can!!

Phil - AD5X 

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Hmmm - shame - since I'd like both - ok so the FT-817 doesn't have the ATU and 
so the KX3 with a 2m option and external ATU is about the same, but with 
obviously better HF than the 817.

But I was hoping for a killer rig with an ATU and now the 70cm on the 817 might 
just swing it away from the KX3.

I assume we could drive an XV144 from the KX3, and I'd guess the XV144 would be 
a better transverter?
73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
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-Frank A. Clark, writer (1911- )

On 25 May 2011, at 17:29, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or  
> possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would  
> substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter  
> and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,  
> which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it  
>>> could be
>>> designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that  
>>> covers 4m
>>> apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies.
>> 
>> Oh yes - Hilberling does:
>> http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Paul Christensen]

> But don't sell the 703 short.

Dave, my experience with the 703+ was a bit less enjoyable than yours. 
Here's why:  QSK performance was not only poor, it was down-right 
objectionable on the air.  The 703+ suffers from extreme "dit-shortening" 
and chirp from T/R synthesizer transitions when in QSK mode.  In semi mode, 
CW is fine.  But, the 703+ cannot handle fast T/R transitions.

One cannot hear this effect while listening to the CW sidetone.  The keying 
artifacts require listening on a separate receiver, ensuring that the 
external receiver is not being overloaded, NB turned off, etc.  For me, 
owning the 703+ was one of the worst QRP experiences I've had.  That, added 
to the relatively high Rx current consumption and high case temperature 
caused me to sell it shortly after purchase.

The ability to produce fast T/R without artifacts is now at the top of my 
list when considering any new rig whether it's QRP or QRO.  It tops all 
other performance parameters. It's *the* reason why I have not gravitated to 
most other SDR rigs.

Paul, W9AC

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Wayne Burdick]

We're leaving "hooks" in place for either a 2 m or 4 m transverter (or  
possibly both) in the KX3. It would be in the ~5W range, and would  
substitute for the optional ATU. If you needed both the transverter  
and an ATU, you'd need to use an external ATU such as the Elecraft T1,  
which can be band-switched and remotely tuned directly from the KX3.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On May 25, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:

> On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
>
>> The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it  
>> could be
>> designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that  
>> covers 4m
>> apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies.
>
> Oh yes - Hilberling does:
> http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf
>
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>
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[Elecraft] K1 #2999 finished- small issue

[Don Baucom]

I finished my K1 works great, I see I am getting 5 watts out on my SWR
meter.. I have made several QSO's already.. My problem is during alignment
the power meter always said P=0.1 no matter what I did. Also when I transmit
I do not see the bars that are supposed to show a bar per watt. I do see a
random numer pop on the dispaly every now and then when I transmit. one time
it was 13.6 another time 20 something. It does not happen all the time. I
have alligned the swr meter so I do not think that has any bearing.

Any Ideas?

73
K4YND

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[David Yarnes]

Tim and All,

The Icom 703 was not a flop--far from it.  No, it wasn't as popular as the 
FT-817, and in large part due to the reasons you state.  However, the 703 
was/is a very nice radio.  For what it did do, it was superior to the 
FT-817.  It had a better RX (even better than the 706, which is it's higher 
power look-alike), an internal ATU, a bit more power, and was ergonomically 
a lot easier to use.  I don't know if you ever got to use a 703, but if you 
did, then you would see what I mean.

There is still a lot of interest in the 703, although that may wane a bit 
with the KX3 now in the works.  Icom ceased production of the 703 just a few 
months ago, and their timing was impeccable!  It's as if they knew the KX3 
was coming!

Right now it looks like the KX3 is a "slam dunk" replacement for the 703, 
and maybe even the 817 (except for the VHF/UHF capability there, but which 
Wayne has alluded might be a later option), provided the price is right.  I 
have both rigs, so I'm fairly familiar with each one's capabilities, and how 
they compare.

But don't sell the 703 short.  It's a very competent little radio, and 
fairly widely available on the used market.  This will still be an 
"alternative", particularly for the dollar conscious hams out there--we all 
know hams are among the most tight fisted people on the planet!  Although 
not advertised as such, the 703 was actually an improved version of the 706, 
albeit at a lower power output capability.

I'm also hearing very strong rumors that some other manufacturers are also 
planning some new QRP type radios.  So, the KX3 may actually have some 
stiffer competition than what's out there at the moment.

Dave W7AQK


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Tim Tucker, AE6LX said:

Remember, Icom had a HF only QRP rig - the 703.  It was a flop.  The KX3
won't suffer the same fate because it's so much more, but it would
absolutely crush the competition (Yaesu FT-817D) if both 2m and 440 were
incorporated 





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[Elecraft] F.S. K1-4

[Joseph Trombino, Jr]

I built this K1-4 several weeks ago so it is in like-new condition.

Covers 40/30/20/15 meters and has the optional LCD backlight installed.

Will ship CONUS for $380.

73, W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 - where do I sign up for one?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

'Today' is relative ;-)  I was buried and still sleep deprived yesterday 
from Dayton.  We also wanted to make sure all of the remaining Dayton 
orders were properly entered into our system. Plus Lisa is out for a 
much needed vacation.

Today is the day. Stay tuned!

Eric
---


On 5/24/2011 8:24 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
> Is it "later today" yet?  J/K.  I just want to be first on the list, LOL.
>
> Tim
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft<
> e...@elecraft.com>  wrote:
>
>> No. :-)
>>
>> 73, Eric
>> --
>>
>> On 5/24/2011 9:41 AM, Ross Primrose N4RP wrote:
>>> If we got on the list at Dayton, do we need to get on the on-line list
>> too?
>>> 73, Ross N4RP
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2011 12:01 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
 I will have KX3 info and an on-line sign-up form up later today on our
 website.

 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
 (Recovering from severe sleep deprivation and return airline delays
 after Dayton..)

 On 5/24/2011 5:34 AM, N4OI - Ken wrote:
> I hope I am not gushing, but the KX3 and 100w mini-amp are exactly the
> direction I want to go in this great hobby. The combination of a
>> PC-less SDR
> and the ability to take the components into the field or to a beach
>> house
> scratches me right where I itch!  My K1 has a big brother in it's
>> future -
> Congratulations Elecraft for your continued market leadership.
> 73 es God Bless de Ken. N4OI
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3: How much space inside?

[Jens Petersen]

On Tue, 24 May 2011 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:


>The other thing that would be a huge selling point in Europe if it could be
>designed in is support for the 4m band. There is no radio that covers 4m
>apart from a couple of cheap Chinese FM handies. 

Oh yes - Hilberling does:
http://www.hilberling.de/bo/bo_pdf/pt-8k-2010_folder_a4a3.pdf

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3, SDR-IQ and CW Skimmer

[Bill W4ZV]

g4zfe wrote:
> 
> I have LP-PAN working with Skimmer in Softrock-IF mode but the 24 kHz 
> bandwidth limitation is frustrating.
> 

Rich this isn't an answer to your question but just an observation FWIW.  I
bought LP-PAN immediately after it came out (beta #0008 I think).  I got it
working with HRD and PowerSDR but soon discovered CW Skimmer would work
directly in Softrock on IF mode with Skimmer's OmniRIG interface (no HRD or
PSDR needed).  I much prefer Skimmer's waterfall to PSDR's but, like you,
thought the 24 kHz limitation would be too limiting (and I still don't fully
understand why Alex does that with the K3).

Nevertheless, after using this setup for a couple of years, here are my
observations for my two normal uses of Skimmer:

1.  Contest S&Ping.  Although Skimmer limits spans to +/- 12 kHz about the
RX frequency on VFO A, it continually shifts this window as you tune up or
down the band.  For S&Ping in contests using Blind Skimmer (OK for
unassisted categories) this isn't a problem because I'm usually tuning up or
down the band sequentially, so there are always decoder dots in the window
above or below where VFO A is set.  

2.  Working massive split DX pileups using the KRX3.  I lock VFO B to the DX
station's frequency and then use VFO A for the pileup (and placement of my
TX).  In this mode I use Skimmer's "599" function to identify the last
station worked and click on "599" to send my TX on VFO A there (or with a
slight XIT offset).  I've not yet encountered pileups wider than 24 kHz so
the window about VFO A has been entirely adequate.  

Of course 24 kHz doesn't give you a complete picture of CW bands but in
practice I haven't found that to be as much of a problem as I first
imagined.  I also have a P3 which can be used for the big picture but I much
prefer Skimmer's waterfall because of it's more accurate VFO placement and
more elegant K3 integration (see video below).  I use AutoHotKey with N1MM
to allow tuning with a mouse wheel so I can very rapidly jump from one
station to the next (without losing N1MM focus).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZDXuOgUQJ0  (audible clicks are the mouse
wheel incrementing) 

I'm still hopeful Alex will someday increase the 24 kHz limit (at least for
the K3) but until then Skimmer, even with the present limitations, meets my
needs outlined above.

73,  Bill




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Re: [Elecraft] KX1 Please need help with T/R thump

[Don Wilhelm]

  Jerry,

That voltage would indicate Q7 may be at fault.
If you do not have a proper replacement, but do have a 2NA or 2N3904 
in stock try one of those as a test.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/24/2011 11:48 PM, Jerry W7ANM wrote:
> Thanks Don,
>
> Maybe were getting somewhere. Q7s base is at zero during receive but on
> transmit it only goes to 0.1v.
> The 6T_2 voltage on the other side of R28 goes from 0v during receive then
> to 5.63v on transmit. (Normal?)
>
> Looks like I will need to get another Q7?
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Something *really* new at Dayton from Elecraft

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Or, in the case of G - Foundation license allows 10w, Intermediate 50w, Full 
400w.

And Foundation license holders may build a recognised kit - so the KX3 will be 
just ideal for these guys to get started on HF and then add the PA when they 
get Intermediate and run it at 50w. When they get Full licence, they can crank 
it up to 100w and get even more enjoyment.

They may never go above 100w. Over here, we are so 'cramped' that many of us 
just couldn't run 400w without our neighbours complaining. I run 100w and may 
not be breaking pileups, but with 100w on SSB, I worked VK on 20m @ 22:35z on 
5-May! - now that really felt like something at that time with these conditions.

I have a friend runs 5w QRP CW and works more slots than anyone else I know and 
a lot more than a good many people I don't.

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174, P3 #108, KX3 #???
-- 
Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft and the only one
that can be mass produced with unskilled labour.
-Wernher von Braun, rocket engineer (1912-1977)

On 20 May 2011, at 17:03, Merv Schweigert wrote:

> Not enough power and way too many bucks.
> 
> On another subject,  why do you guys all buy QRP, limited
> function radios and then wish to add a 100 watt amp?
> 
> And another subject,  no one has commented on the thread that
> was going on about improving the DSP NR etc for the K3,  and
> the fact that the KX3 will have a much improved DSP and newer
> better chip??   Leaves the K3 owners kinda out to dry dont it?
> Kinda the stuff that we always criticize YeaComWood for doing
> when a new model came out and the old one could not be
> updated?   Or is a K4 around?
> 
> 
> Just asking,  Merv  K9FD/KH6

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