[Elecraft] KX1 for sale

[Joseph Trombino, Jr]

Howdy Gang:

I gotta build something new...got a bad case of "Elecraftitus...so I offer for 
sale my recently built KX1.

Finished building this KX1 a few weeks ago so it is essentially in brand new, 
absolutely mint condition, fully tested and working FB.

This is the basic KX120/40M...no other options.

This is the fifth KX1 I have built...I like building them.it's great fun 
and keeps me out of trouble (grin).

I'll ship and insure the KX1 for $285 in CONUS only.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am


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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

My post started off with, "If they can produce a similar product at a reduced 
cost, including the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft 
charges, good for them!"
 
I followed up with, "I "hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their 
version offers like functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!"
 
If that drums up some angst on your part - I can't help you!  Y'all have taken 
my comments out of context - witness the morphing to discussions on a variety 
of other products when my comments/suggestions/observations/"hope" along with a 
dose of wanting to see competition for Elecraft.  
 
If the notion of elecraft's add ons having a cost structure that seems absurd 
bothers you, well.it's one person's opinon and you are free to bash away at 
me for making such an absurd statement..smiling HUGELY at the double 
absurdity!
 
Sheesh - if you don't like Chinese or whatever products, that could compete 
with elecraft.dont' like 'em --- doesn't stop others from wanting 
to see competition!
 
Enuff said, I hope!  72 to all --- Jim R. K9JWV
 
 



Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:38:23 +1000
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
From: garyvk...@gmail.com
To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
CC: tho...@horsten.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net; 
j...@ae5x.com

James,

You are engaging in an argument (constructive one that is) where there is NO 
difinitive answer.

It's must always be about 'choice'..Heil headsets are to me expensive when you 
import them to VK, CM-500's represents 'value for money' to many on this list, 
some prefer the Heil models..it is all about choice.

Dare I say 'visual appeal' and 'I want the best' are also thoughts in folks 
mind when they select their purchase, some look at 3rd party test results as a 
buying guide, again, it's all about choice.

Wouxon, kenwood, Yaesu, Icom, Ten Tec, Elecraft and the list goes on, it still 
comes back to individual choice and that is good for consumers. I would hate to 
see a contraction of manufacturers as this would lead to a less competitive 
market and then we the consumer would be in a less than enviable situation.

Sure I love my Elecraft products, they all do what i want and more which leaves 
me a very satisfied customer and Elecraft have a proven track record on support.

Did I pay too much for the products I have purchased from Elecraft?...I don't 
believe so.

Did I pay too much for products from 'other' radio manufacturers...i sure did 
much to my continued angst.

20/20 hindsight can sometimes be a bummer


73's
Gary


On 14 April 2012 08:49, James Rodenkirch  wrote:


Elecraft follows the Apple model - or vice versa...who knows!  Basic "product" 
is sorta "ok" from a costing perspective but one starts to "cringe" at $60.00 
microphones and $170.00 20 watt antenna tuners and $170.00 iambic keys...just 
sorta seems high end pricing... I could go and price out external versions but 
that would detract from the Elecraft model - purchase the basic rig and toss in 
lots of extras that fit into the rig and keep you one of the "Elecraft 
faithful."

Your statement, "Generally, the Chinese versions are reasonable value for money 
but the equation generally does include a much lower build quality and feature 
set and a much lower support level" is sorta intriguingjust what is a 
"lower build quality" and "feature set" and "lower support level" mean?

Quote me some numbers and we can chat furtherJim R.



From: tho...@horsten.com
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:02:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
CC: km4ik@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net; 
j...@ae5x.com

Jim,



What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in your 
opinion ???


That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail. You 
buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price after 
doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd agree, 
but most certainly not absurdly expensive.


There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the Chinese 
versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally does include 
a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower support level.


To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but the 
more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on quality and 
how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they are worth paying 
so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my Wouxun. But for something 
as primary to my ham operating as my main portable HF rig, I won't settle for 
such a compromise.


73, Thomas M0TRN


On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch  wrote:

If - IF -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!

_

Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks - This thread has already been closed.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Ian Kahn - Ham]

Tony, I aim to please. :-)

/(Please insert standard disclaimer of your choice here...)/

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688


On 4/13/2012 4:13 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Ian Kahn - Ham  wrote:
>
>> ...none of the percentages provided above are in any way
>> statistically/scientifically generated.  They are my observations...
> 
> Ah Ian, you set a splendid example for the rest of us.
>
> Tony KT0NY
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question

[Don Wilhelm]

Rob,

Too many variables to give a good answer.
Consider that the K3 plus Alpha 87A might be giving you RF Feedback 
which will create"strange happenings".  The real question is -- "Does 
the same thing happen when driving a dummy load?"   If the answer is 
"NO", then look for the solution in your antenna system.

Note that I normally respond to conditions where the transmitter is 
driving a dummy load.  Other situations do exist, but may or may not be 
the problem - it all depends, and the input impedance of the antenna is 
a variable that can create erroneous information to be injected into the 
equation.  KISS - "Keep It Simple Stupid" is always a good goal, it 
reduces the number of variables.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 7:33 PM, k...@baymoon.com wrote:
> I noticed the other night that when I was using one of my two K3s on 80 m
> CW, in full QSK, there would be occasional snap-like audio sounds and I
> would lose sidetone during a computer-keyed interval. The radio was still
> putting out a signal but the sidetone and between-character RX signals
> were muted too, until the sequence completed. I'm not sure it's related,
> but occasionally that same K3 - on 80 m CW - causes repeated soft faulting
> of the Alpha 87A it drives. I thought maybe something was screwy with the
> antenna or feeds, but I switched to the other K3 driving a KPA-500, and
> had nothing like that snapping sound and audio muting. Anyone have a clue?
>
> Rob K6RB
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Gary Gregory]

*James,

You are engaging in an argument (constructive one that is) where there is
NO difinitive answer.

It's must always be about 'choice'..Heil headsets are to me expensive when
you import them to VK, CM-500's represents 'value for money' to many on
this list, some prefer the Heil models..it is all about choice.

Dare I say 'visual appeal' and 'I want the best' are also thoughts in folks
mind when they select their purchase, some look at 3rd party test results
as a buying guide, again, it's all about choice.

Wouxon, kenwood, Yaesu, Icom, Ten Tec, Elecraft and the list goes on, it
still comes back to individual choice and that is good for consumers. I
would hate to see a contraction of manufacturers as this would lead to a
less competitive market and then we the consumer would be in a less than
enviable situation.

Sure I love my Elecraft products, they all do what i want and more which
leaves me a very satisfied customer and Elecraft have a proven track record
on support.

Did I pay too much for the products I have purchased from Elecraft?...I
don't believe so.

Did I pay too much for products from 'other' radio manufacturers...i sure
did much to my continued angst.

20/20 hindsight can sometimes be a bummer


73's
Gary
*
On 14 April 2012 08:49, James Rodenkirch  wrote:

>
> Elecraft follows the Apple model - or vice versa...who knows!  Basic
> "product" is sorta "ok" from a costing perspective but one starts to
> "cringe" at $60.00 microphones and $170.00 20 watt antenna tuners and
> $170.00 iambic keys...just sorta seems high end pricing... I could go and
> price out external versions but that would detract from the Elecraft model
> - purchase the basic rig and toss in lots of extras that fit into the rig
> and keep you one of the "Elecraft faithful."
>
> Your statement, "Generally, the Chinese versions are reasonable value for
> money but the equation generally does include a much lower build quality
> and feature set and a much lower support level" is sorta intriguingjust
> what is a "lower build quality" and "feature set" and "lower support level"
> mean?
>
> Quote me some numbers and we can chat furtherJim R.
>
>
>
> From: tho...@horsten.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:02:25 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
> CC: km4ik@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net;
> j...@ae5x.com
>
> Jim,
>
>
>
> What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in
> your opinion ???
>
>
> That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail.
> You buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price
> after doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd
> agree, but most certainly not absurdly expensive.
>
>
> There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the
> Chinese versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally
> does include a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower
> support level.
>
>
> To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but
> the more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on
> quality and how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they
> are worth paying so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my
> Wouxun. But for something as primary to my ham operating as my main
> portable HF rig, I won't settle for such a compromise.
>
>
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>
>
> On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch  wrote:
>
> If - IF -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including
> the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for
> them!
>
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[Elecraft] K3 question

[k6rb]

I noticed the other night that when I was using one of my two K3s on 80 m
CW, in full QSK, there would be occasional snap-like audio sounds and I
would lose sidetone during a computer-keyed interval. The radio was still
putting out a signal but the sidetone and between-character RX signals
were muted too, until the sequence completed. I'm not sure it's related,
but occasionally that same K3 - on 80 m CW - causes repeated soft faulting
of the Alpha 87A it drives. I thought maybe something was screwy with the
antenna or feeds, but I switched to the other K3 driving a KPA-500, and
had nothing like that snapping sound and audio muting. Anyone have a clue?

Rob K6RB

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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Joe K2UF]

I also enjoyed the daily 'Dilbertisms' even if they did sometimes hit close
to home.  Had a few of them stuck to the walls of my cubicle back in the
day.

Joe K2UF  

No trees were harmed in the sending of this e-mail; however, many electrons
were inconvenienced.


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 6:43 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

Apologies to those on the list who are not familiar with the Dilbert 
comic strip.  It is one of my favorites, even though I no longer work in 
the "captive office" world - I am a "free agent".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> The Far East Government is too sophisticated to accomplish a sale.  You
> might want to try to sell if to the Elbonian nation although Dilbert and
> "Pointy Hair Boss" should be consulted for permission prior to any
contact.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/13/2012 6:31 PM, Joe K2UF wrote:
>> I built a 1/10th scale model of a similar device in my basement woodshop.
>> It is very inefficient.  I don't have the metal working skills to
duplicate
>> it full size.  Maybe I could sell it to a far east government as a
satellite
>> delivery guidance system.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Don Wilhelm]

James,

The Elecraft KXPD3 is $129.95 as opposed to your "swag" of $170.  
Compare that price to other sets of precision paddles and I would 
believe you will find the price in inline with reality.  Once you touch 
the KXPD3 I believe you would change your mind - it is sweet and smooth 
and quite comfortable to use.

The KX3 is not the "low priced spread", but it offers features no other 
portable, handheld, QRP, small, transceiver has yet offered.  It has 
most all the functions of the K3/10, but at a lower cost and a much more 
portable format.

You pays your money and takes you pick -- beyond that, stop complaining, 
you are getting your money's worth..

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 6:49 PM, James Rodenkirch wrote:
> Elecraft follows the Apple model - or vice versa...who knows!  Basic 
> "product" is sorta "ok" from a costing perspective but one starts to "cringe" 
> at $60.00 microphones and $170.00 20 watt antenna tuners and $170.00 iambic 
> keys...just sorta seems high end pricing... I could go and price out external 
> versions but that would detract from the Elecraft model - purchase the basic 
> rig and toss in lots of extras that fit into the rig and keep you one of the 
> "Elecraft faithful."
>
> Your statement, "Generally, the Chinese versions are reasonable value for 
> money but the equation generally does include a much lower build quality and 
> feature set and a much lower support level" is sorta intriguingjust what 
> is a "lower build quality" and "feature set" and "lower support level" mean?
>
> Quote me some numbers and we can chat furtherJim R.
>
>
>
> From: tho...@horsten.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:02:25 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
> CC: km4ik@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net; 
> j...@ae5x.com
>
> Jim,
>
>
>
> What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in your 
> opinion ???
>
>
> That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail. You 
> buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price after 
> doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd agree, 
> but most certainly not absurdly expensive.
>
>
> There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the 
> Chinese versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally 
> does include a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower 
> support level.
>
>
> To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but the 
> more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on quality and 
> how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they are worth 
> paying so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my Wouxun. But for 
> something as primary to my ham operating as my main portable HF rig, I won't 
> settle for such a compromise.
>
>
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>
>
> On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch  wrote:
>
> If - IF -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including 
> the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for 
> them!
>   
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3 [END of Thread]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Let's let this thread rest in the interest of improving list SNR.

73,
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On 4/13/2012 1:55 PM, James Rodenkirch wrote:
> Snort!  Your "observations," are as anecdotal as can be and.continue to 
> make my point --- a point that was started when I sent out the reply: If - IF 
> -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
> absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!
>
>   I also stated that I "hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their 
> version offers like functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!"  If, I 
> repeat, IF those specifications include a Ps as far as the rig remaining 
> operational over some lonng period of time - saaay, .95 or .98 or 
> whatever "high value of reliability you want to instill on an Elecraft 
> product," then I hope this Chinese company can turn out a product that's as 
> reliable.
>
> Sheesh - I can see the "Elecraft faithful" are out in droves today!
>
> Cinching up my flameproof suit even tighter.72, Jim R. K9JWV
>
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[Elecraft] KX3 and deet

[Stuart Dunk]

Hi all

I know the deet thread has ended but nobody mentioned that deet melts some 
plastics.

KX3's have plastic knobs readout covers etc, and are hand held

Be careful !!
I melted the plastic on the back cover of a microphone while using it not long 
after applying a deet based repellent and not washing it off my hands

I looked at my hand and there was black stuff on it and the mic had my hand 
print in it (still HAS).

Nasty stuff  no wonder the bugs hate it , makes you wonder if it melts some 
plastic and bugs wont go near it  WHAT'S IT DOING TO US!

Cheers
Stu
VK4SDD
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Buddy Brannan]

Just one thing to say on this:

Don't feed the trolls...
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On Apr 13, 2012, at 6:49 PM, James Rodenkirch  wrote:

> 
> Elecraft follows the Apple model - or vice versa...who knows!  Basic 
> "product" is sorta "ok" from a costing perspective but one starts to "cringe" 
> at $60.00 microphones and $170.00 20 watt antenna tuners and $170.00 iambic 
> keys...just sorta seems high end pricing... I could go and price out external 
> versions but that would detract from the Elecraft model - purchase the basic 
> rig and toss in lots of extras that fit into the rig and keep you one of the 
> "Elecraft faithful."
> 
> Your statement, "Generally, the Chinese versions are reasonable value for 
> money but the equation generally does include a much lower build quality and 
> feature set and a much lower support level" is sorta intriguingjust what 
> is a "lower build quality" and "feature set" and "lower support level" mean?
> 
> Quote me some numbers and we can chat furtherJim R.
> 
> 
> 
> From: tho...@horsten.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:02:25 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
> CC: km4ik@gmail.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net; 
> j...@ae5x.com
> 
> Jim,
> 
> 
> 
> What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in your 
> opinion ???
> 
> 
> That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail. You 
> buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price after 
> doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd agree, 
> but most certainly not absurdly expensive.
> 
> 
> There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the 
> Chinese versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally 
> does include a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower 
> support level.
> 
> 
> To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but the 
> more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on quality and 
> how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they are worth 
> paying so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my Wouxun. But for 
> something as primary to my ham operating as my main portable HF rig, I won't 
> settle for such a compromise.
> 
> 
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
> 
> 
> On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch  wrote:
> 
> If - IF -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including 
> the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for 
> them!
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

Elecraft follows the Apple model - or vice versa...who knows!  Basic "product" 
is sorta "ok" from a costing perspective but one starts to "cringe" at $60.00 
microphones and $170.00 20 watt antenna tuners and $170.00 iambic keys...just 
sorta seems high end pricing... I could go and price out external versions but 
that would detract from the Elecraft model - purchase the basic rig and toss in 
lots of extras that fit into the rig and keep you one of the "Elecraft 
faithful."
 
Your statement, "Generally, the Chinese versions are reasonable value for money 
but the equation generally does include a much lower build quality and feature 
set and a much lower support level" is sorta intriguingjust what is a 
"lower build quality" and "feature set" and "lower support level" mean?
 
Quote me some numbers and we can chat furtherJim R.
 


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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:02:25 +0100
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
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j...@ae5x.com

Jim,



What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in your 
opinion ???


That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail. You 
buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price after 
doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd agree, 
but most certainly not absurdly expensive.


There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the Chinese 
versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally does include 
a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower support level.


To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but the 
more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on quality and 
how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they are worth paying 
so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my Wouxun. But for something 
as primary to my ham operating as my main portable HF rig, I won't settle for 
such a compromise.


73, Thomas M0TRN


On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch  wrote:

If - IF -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Don Wilhelm]

Apologies to those on the list who are not familiar with the Dilbert 
comic strip.  It is one of my favorites, even though I no longer work in 
the "captive office" world - I am a "free agent".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> The Far East Government is too sophisticated to accomplish a sale.  You
> might want to try to sell if to the Elbonian nation although Dilbert and
> "Pointy Hair Boss" should be consulted for permission prior to any contact.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/13/2012 6:31 PM, Joe K2UF wrote:
>> I built a 1/10th scale model of a similar device in my basement woodshop.
>> It is very inefficient.  I don't have the metal working skills to duplicate
>> it full size.  Maybe I could sell it to a far east government as a satellite
>> delivery guidance system.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Don Wilhelm]

The Far East Government is too sophisticated to accomplish a sale.  You 
might want to try to sell if to the Elbonian nation although Dilbert and 
"Pointy Hair Boss" should be consulted for permission prior to any contact.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 6:31 PM, Joe K2UF wrote:
> I built a 1/10th scale model of a similar device in my basement woodshop.
> It is very inefficient.  I don't have the metal working skills to duplicate
> it full size.  Maybe I could sell it to a far east government as a satellite
> delivery guidance system.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Joe K2UF]

I built a 1/10th scale model of a similar device in my basement woodshop.
It is very inefficient.  I don't have the metal working skills to duplicate
it full size.  Maybe I could sell it to a far east government as a satellite
delivery guidance system.

 

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were inconvenienced.


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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

Fred Jensen wrote:

> Retro Encabulator

This is about as OT as it gets, folks, but in case you missed it,  
here's the video:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

It's a hoot.

Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Thomas Horsten]

Jim,

What exactly is absurd about the add on costs that Elecraft charges, in
your opinion ???

That's the statement that sticks out to me as being absurd in your mail.
You buy the accessories you want/need and add it up. The total KX3 price
after doing that doesn't seem absurd to me. Not extremely cheap either, I'd
agree, but most certainly not absurdly expensive.

There are Chinese knock-offs of many product categories. Generally, the
Chinese versions are reasonable value for money but the equation generally
does include a much lower build quality and feature set and a much lower
support level.

To take the Wouxuns for example, they are great rigs for the price, but the
more expensive ones from Yaewoodcom do have a definitive edge on quality
and how well they are thought out. It's just questionable if they are worth
paying so much extra for, and personally I'm happy with my Wouxun. But for
something as primary to my ham operating as my main portable HF rig, I
won't settle for such a compromise.

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 13 April 2012 21:55, James Rodenkirch  wrote:

> If - IF -  they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including
> the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for
> them!
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[marcelo]

The original one, from the 70's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac7G7xOG2Ag&feature=related
PY1KN
> Dingle Arms are still legal for import into the US however
Panametric > Phams do not meet Part 15 requirements and may only be imported by
BPL > providers. > > 73, > > Fred K6DGW > - Northern California Contest Club > 
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7
Oct 2012 > - www.cqp.org > > On 4/13/2012 2:49 PM, David
Fleming wrote: >> Hehe. He said "Panametric Pham" and "Dingle
Arm". > >
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Don Wilhelm]

I can give you some information about Elecraft product reliability based 
on my past experience.

I repair the Elecraft "legacy" transceivers - K1, K2 and KX1.  Based on 
serial numbers, there are about 13,000 of those transceivers out in the 
world.

I have repaired about 700 of those, and Gary Surrency (official Elecraft 
support) has repaired more than I have (but our numbers are close).  
There are some Builders for Hire that have repaired some too, and there 
is a service facility in Germany and in Italy and Japan that has handled 
some repairs too (I do not have their numbers), so you can add some 
"fudge factor" to account for those extra centers doing Elecraft repairs.

Considering that about 80 percent or more of those repairs are actually 
builders errors or owner induced conditions or the owner just wanted us 
to align and calibrate the transceiver, I would estimate that the true 
failure rate is about 2% -- and that is over the product life that we 
know about to date (12+ years for the K2).  We rarely see component 
failures that do not have an identifiable cause - in other words "it 
just failed for no known reason" is rare indeed.

If you run the MTBF numbers on those assemblies and compare them to the 
above numbers, I think you will see that the Elecraft transceivers are 
quite reliable.  That is consistent with my view of modern electronics, 
devices seldom fail, but when they do, Elecraft devices can be repaired 
- contrast that with your failed iPad or iPhone - plus a lot of 
(no-cost) phone and email support is available so you can "fix it 
yourself" at Elecraft.

If you have doubts about my numbers, you are invited to review my repair 
reports, but I would have to blank out the customer's identification 
first and round off the serial number so no customer could be identified.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 1:28 PM, James Rodenkirch wrote:
> If Elecraft service is so damn good, tell me how reliable their product is?  
> Or are you talking about marketing/sales service vice product supportability 
> service??
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Fred Jensen]

Dingle Arms are still legal for import into the US however Panametric 
Phams do not meet Part 15 requirements and may only be imported by BPL 
providers.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

On 4/13/2012 2:49 PM, David Fleming wrote:
> Hehe. He said "Panametric Pham" and "Dingle Arm".

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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Bruce Beford]

Not sure what sort of response you were trolling for here, Jim. It sounds as
though you feel Elecraft has priced their products and accessories at a
non-competitive level? Or that the performance or function does not justify
the costs? I guess I just don't understand.

The fact is, competition is good. When companies products compete for the
consumer's dollar (or yen/euro/etc), the consumer wins in the form of
choices. Some will prefer a less costly item by giving up a particular
capability. Some will not be able to afford the higher priced product and
will buy what suits his/her situation. All such decisions are compromises.

Sometimes, advances in technology make a particular capability feasible at a
lower price point or smaller size, less weight, etc. An example would be all
the modes and functions available in a modern SDR/firmware based radio like
the K3 or KX3, vs. trying to do all the same functions in hardware.

I find Elecraft products to be exceptional performers, at a fair price. That
does not mean they are the cheapest on the market. By no means. However,
when you compare features and performance, the Elecraft products are what I
would call fairly priced. I have never felt that I was being overcharged for
something I felt should cost less. This is especially true when considering
the economies of scale and development costs in a small company dedicated to
a niche business.

I am also not sure what you mean by the "absurdity of the current add on
costs" either. One of the appealing features of the Elecraft product line is
the ability for the consumer to only purchase those accessories that are
needed. Many folks don't need or want an internal automatic antenna coupler.
Fine, don't order it. However- as I said- I have found that those items are
well designed, and often offer performance that is on par with or exceeds
other available products. Elecraft also rightly includes tight integration
between their products, such as the KPA500/K3, that offer additional
functionality that should be included in judging the "rightness" of a price
point.

I have owned a fairly wide variety of equipment over my 25+ years as an
amateur. Not as much as some- but I have purchased, (and built my own)
enough to recognize the value of the Elecraft products. I still enjoy using
my 602-based mono-band rigs I've built, and I still enjoy home-brewing. But
there is also room in my stable for the "Elegant Craftsmanship" of Elecraft
gear. I am fortunate in that respect.

Elecraft does not strive to produce the lowest cost products. They provide
high quality, high performance products at prices that reflect this. This is
my experience. 

Beauty is in the eye.

72/73,
Bruce, N1RX


> If they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
> absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for 
> them!  
 
> Hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their version offers like
> functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!  
 
> 72, Jim R. K9JWV


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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[David Fleming]

Hehe. He said "Panametric Pham" and "Dingle Arm". 

:-)

David, W4SMT


> > This is about as OT as it gets, folks, but in case you
> missed it,
> > here's the video:
> >
> >   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
> >
> > It's a hoot.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Gary Gregory]

*Wayne,

What impressed me the most was that the spokesperson was able to say all
that without cracking a hint of a smile..:-)

You so right, it is a hootgrin

Gary
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On 14 April 2012 06:44, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

> Fred Jensen wrote:
>
> > Retro Encabulator
>
> This is about as OT as it gets, folks, but in case you missed it,
> here's the video:
>
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
>
> It's a hoot.
>
> Wayne
>
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[Elecraft] A Real SOS

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

The discussion of the Titanic's communications and the interference is a
reminder that many Hams have never heard the real thing. 

Shipboard transmitters were crystal controlled (after CW become the norm at
sea) and the post-Titanic international distress frequency of 500 kHz was
used for routine messages as well. So when an emergency occurred it was
often pandemonium, first until those on the channel realized there was an
emergency, and then QRM from those who could not hear the emergency traffic
while others tell them to QRT.

By 1980 receivers had grown very selective, but the fact was that a great
many ships still used a regenerative receiver as the "backup" in case the
main receiver was out of commission for some reason. 

Some of the signals in the link below sound like they have modulation. They
do. MCW was the norm for emergency traffic so they could be copied even on a
receiver without a BFO.  

The possibility of an SOS not being heard at all in the bedlam is what
launched the twice-hourly "silent periods" when all ships fell silent and
the R.O.s listened on 500 kHz for three minutes. 

This link is a real SOS recorded in 1980 when the MV Prinsendam had an
engine room fire and a flooded engine room. It begins with a series of long
dashes. That was the standard opening that was supposed to set off automatic
alarm bells on any vessels whose radio rooms were not operating at that
moment. The bells went off on the navigating bridge and right over the bed
were Sparks would be sleeping. Following the dashes the SOS and emergency
message begins. 

http://mikea.ath.cx/www.n1ea.coastalradio.org.uk/EJM_CD3_Track03_SOS_de_PJTA
.zip

There are other audio clips at:

http://mikea.ath.cx/www.n1ea.coastalradio.org.uk/index.html


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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Stephen Prior]

Thanks Wayne, that was great!

73 Stephen G4SJP

On Friday, 13 April 2012, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Fred Jensen wrote:
>
> > Retro Encabulator
>
> This is about as OT as it gets, folks, but in case you missed it,
> here's the video:
>
>   Rockwell Retro Encabulator 
>
> It's a hoot.
>
> Wayne
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

Snort!  Your "observations," are as anecdotal as can be and.continue to 
make my point --- a point that was started when I sent out the reply: If - IF - 
 they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the absurdity 
of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them! 
 
 I also stated that I "hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their 
version offers like functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!"  If, I 
repeat, IF those specifications include a Ps as far as the rig remaining 
operational over some lonng period of time - saaay, .95 or .98 or 
whatever "high value of reliability you want to instill on an Elecraft 
product," then I hope this Chinese company can turn out a product that's as 
reliable.
 
Sheesh - I can see the "Elecraft faithful" are out in droves today!
 
Cinching up my flameproof suit even tighter.72, Jim R. K9JWV
 

 

 


> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:47:50 -0400
> From: km4ik@gmail.com
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
> CC: c-haw...@illinois.edu; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net; 
> j...@ae5x.com
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> 
> 
> If Elecraft service is so damn good, tell me how reliable their product is? 
> Or are you talking about marketing/sales service vice product supportability 
> service??
> 
> 
> Elecraft's gear is fabulously reliable. It's a safe (but unscientifically 
> generated statistic) bet that 70-80% of the issues/problems reported on this 
> forum are user error or lack of knowledge/understanding about the rig. Of the 
> remaining 20%, a large majority of the issues that are actual issues get 
> corrected rapidly in firmware. The remaining are handled as quickly as the 
> folks in Aptos, and elsewhere, can handle them.
> 
> Remember, none of the percentages provided above are in any way 
> statistically/scientifically generated. They are my observations from roughly 
> one year on this, and other, reflector. And, yes, I drank the Kool-Aid 
> willingly and whole-heartedly. ;-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> --Ian
> 
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA
> km4ik@gmail.com
> K3 #281, P3 #688
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Re: [Elecraft] Retro Encabulator

[Wayne Burdick]

Fred Jensen wrote:

> Retro Encabulator

This is about as OT as it gets, folks, but in case you missed it,  
here's the video:

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

It's a hoot.

Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Don Wilhelm]

Fred,

You are not alone - it looks like something someone cobbled together for 
a joke.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/13/2012 4:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Hmmm ... am I the only one who thinks this is a joke?  Maybe it's really
> a lightweight, QRP version of the Retroencabulator.  It didn't have any
> labels on the controls either.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Tony Estep]

On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Ian Kahn - Ham  wrote:

> ...none of the percentages provided above are in any way
> statistically/scientifically generated.  They are my observations...


Ah Ian, you set a splendid example for the rest of us.

Tony KT0NY


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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Fred Jensen]

Hmmm ... am I the only one who thinks this is a joke?  Maybe it's really 
a lightweight, QRP version of the Retroencabulator.  It didn't have any 
labels on the controls either.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

On 4/13/2012 7:12 AM, John Harper wrote:
> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Battery Solution

[iw7dmh]

>I'd like to be able to run the radio at full power so being able to get to 
>13+ volts would be great. I'd like charging to be fairly simple and safe. 
>I'd like the battery as well as the radio to fit into one of Rose's K2 
>cases... Another thing is that I would like a solution that will have
decent 
>longevity if it's somewhat expensive. But if its a fairly inexpensive cell 
>then I'd put up with replacement every so often.   I'd like to be able to
at 
>least get 4 hours at full power using "normal contest operating" 
>assumptions. I'll probably only use it casually so that should allow for 
>more like 7 to 8 total hours hopefully. 

Dear Brett,

I made a modification to KBT1 option just to have more power and better
audio response.
I use 6 Lipo cells 2 x (3 x 3,7V/900mA). Voltage range is between 4,2V
(fully charged) and 3,2V (discharged).
My inspiration was an interesting article of WA3WSJ (KX1 battery
modification).
There are some notes on my qrz.com page but, however, it'll be difficult to
have 4 hours at full power using normal contest operations. Instead you'll
find it perfect for casual operations.

73', Enzo
IW7DMH



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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Ian Kahn - Ham]

If Elecraft service is so damn good, tell me how reliable their product is?  Or 
are you talking about marketing/sales service vice product supportability 
service??


Elecraft's gear is fabulously reliable.  It's a safe (but unscientifically 
generated statistic) bet that 70-80% of the issues/problems reported on this 
forum are user error or lack of knowledge/understanding about the rig.  Of the 
remaining 20%, a large majority of the issues that are actual issues get 
corrected rapidly in firmware.  The remaining are handled as quickly as the 
folks in Aptos, and elsewhere, can handle them.

Remember, none of the percentages provided above are in any way 
statistically/scientifically generated.  They are my observations from roughly 
one year on this, and other, reflector.  And, yes, I drank the Kool-Aid 
willingly and whole-heartedly.  ;-)

73,

--Ian

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688


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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Kevin Cozens]

On 12-04-13 01:57 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> It was really challenging to pack everything into the KX3 that makes
> it a complete, high-performance station (160-6 m + SWL bands, 10W+ PA,
> all modes, SDR outputs, internal batteries and charger, roofing
> filters, ATU, paddle mount, 2-m module; DSP with enough power for NR,
> autonotch, dual watch, DVR, data decode/display, CW/data tuning aid;
> full remote control, accessory jack)

Seeing the KX3's list of features in such a terse fashion really impresses 
on the mind the feat of engineering involved in squeezing all of them in to 
such a physically small package.

You must like 3D puzzles as it must be like working on one when you take the 
circuitry for the different parts of a radio and work out how to package it 
in as small a space as possible while keeping it easy to 
manufacture/assemble and troubleshoot (should a problem arise in a unit).

Next time you come out of your firmware cave for a while, it would be 
interesting to read an article on the development cycle of an elecraft 
product. From when a decision is made to make a new product to what it 
might, to what features you want to pack in to one box, etc.

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Cheers!

Kevin.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Ticks, Chiggers and Mosquitoes

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Folks - we closed this thread yesterday.

73,
Eric
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On 4/13/2012 10:45 AM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:
> Unfortunately, 100% DEET has been unavailable in the 'lower 48' for
> several years, now.  I covet the supply I have left from my days of
> going fishing with the in-laws in upper Saskatchewan.
>
> I guess when I run out, I can do a 'border run', as I live in SE
> Michigan.  I hear it is still sold in Canada.
>
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[Elecraft] New KX3 Owner's Manual errata shows how to open the enclosure

[Wayne Burdick]

Among other things, errata rev. A3-10 includes two new drawings  
(extracted from the 3-D model) showing the best way to open the  
enclosure for changing batteries, etc.

   http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Owner%27sManErrata%20A3-10.pdf

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Curt]

I'm of same mind as WC7S, "I prefer to support the US economy", and  really 
don't care what the "specs" are.  Every rig I own was made in Iowa, Ohio, 
Tennessee, California, or in the case of some diminuative QRP kits, New 
Hampshire.  While much of the gear is 30-60 years old, the K1 and K2 are 
fairly modern.   All of it works well enough for my limited skills and 
expectations. In all cases the equipment is readily repairable by this op, 
especially with help from expert users on forums like this one.

Of course, the day may soon arrive when like so many other products, the KX3 
and "Chinese made KX3" are one in the same.

73, Curt KB5JO 

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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[David Gilbert]

My point is that those specs could describe almost anything, including 
low end homebrew backpacking rigs.  How anyone jumped to the conclusion, 
based upon available information, that it was equivalent to a KX3 or any 
other rig is beyond me.  I chalk that up to the tendency some people 
have to be more likely to believe in the outrageous than the mundane.  
Want to generate an email that gets forwarded to thousands?   Exaggerate 
the message as extravagantly as you can.

Dave   AB7E



On 4/13/2012 10:20 AM, Rob May wrote:
>
> Well, there are some specs on that page:
>
> Short description:
> High RX sensitive
> Low RX noise level
> AGS: 3 Steps
> Band: 160-10m
> Mode: SSB/CW
> Tx Power: 5-10 Watts
> Dimension: 225*59*90
>
> It looks more like a rushed together mock-up than anything else.
>
> Rob
> NV5E
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:50:55 -0700
>> From: xda...@cis-broadband.com
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3
>>
>>
>> I don't see how anyone can tell what that is from the information
>> given. No specs, not even any ID on the buttons. Just because some
>> blogger calls it an imitation KX3 doesn't mean it isn't a 20m super
>> regen with a digital frequency readout.
>>
>> That brings up a thought, though ... I wonder what degree of practical
>> or legal protection Elecraft has on the SDR software that runs their rigs.
>>
>> Dave AB7E
>>
>>  
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[Elecraft] Do you want to be your own Boss?

[Vincent OKeeffe]

hi! my dear friend
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see you
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Wayne Burdick]

It's nearly twice the size of a KX3 by volume. And I can't blame them  
for making it a lot bigger.

It was really challenging to pack everything into the KX3 that makes  
it a complete, high-performance station (160-6 m + SWL bands, 10W+ PA,  
all modes, SDR outputs, internal batteries and charger, roofing  
filters, ATU, paddle mount, 2-m module; DSP with enough power for NR,  
autonotch, dual watch, DVR, data decode/display, CW/data tuning aid;  
full remote control, accessory jack)

(I know, I know...I'm biased. Back to my firmware cave ;)

Wayne


On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Rob May wrote:

> Dimension: 225*59*90
>
> It looks more like a rushed together mock-up than anything else.
>
> Rob
> NV5E
>


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/100 & P3 Owner

[hawley, charles j jr]

Some of us enjoy building and fixing more as much getting on the band. 

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, "Hisashi T Fujinaka"  wrote:

> Me too!
> 
> I just put together K3 6393 & P3 something-or-another, and I have a new
> opinion on all of it. Next time I may pay someone else to put together a
> $5000 radio, though it was an enjoyable ~10 hours for the radio (just
> one hour for the P3). And there's so much to learn to run the radio that
> I should have spent the 10H on that.
> 
> Two days ago I spent an hour trying to figure out how to get my mic
> working (the bias setting was a note in the MH2 instruction sheet).
> Yesterday I figured out why no one was answering me on CW (you have to
> have VOX on if you're doing QSK or it doesn't transmit). I'm sure I'm
> going to come up with a lot more of those.
> 
> So, I've had the radio for a week and I've made two contacts. At least
> one was a state I needed for WAS.
> 
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, William Wallace wrote:
> 
>> Well the UPS truck finally stopped passing by my QTH today!  He finally 
>> stopped today and gave me a well packaged box containing a K3/100 kit and a 
>> P3 kit.  Oh happy day!  K3/100 serial number 6396 and P3 serial number 2033. 
>>  After opening the package I began the easy (?) task (so I thought) of 
>> inventorying all the pieces of the kits.   I've got to tell you, all those 
>> little screws, nut, washers, etc looked a hell of a lot larger on my 27-inch 
>> iMac screen (PDF documentation) than they are in real life!  I can see a big 
>> need for a small magnetic screwdriver in my future.  I'll decide after I 
>> complete assembly of these two kits but I'm already leaning heavily toward 
>> factory assembly for my KPA-500 when the time comes
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Ticks, Chiggers and Mosquitoes

[Dave New, N8SBE]

Unfortunately, 100% DEET has been unavailable in the 'lower 48' for
several years, now.  I covet the supply I have left from my days of
going fishing with the in-laws in upper Saskatchewan.

I guess when I run out, I can do a 'border run', as I live in SE
Michigan.  I hear it is still sold in Canada.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

>  Original Message 
> Subject: [Elecraft]  OT: Ticks, Chiggers and Mosquitoes
> From: "Edward R. Cole" 
> Date: Fri, April 13, 2012 11:53 am
> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>
>
> No problem with those critters in Alaska, we either treat them with
> -20 degrees wx or let the 23 varieties of mosquitos eat them
> (Ha!).  I have used 100% DEET insect spray to good advantage.  If one
> is going into the blackfly area then gloves and hightop boots with
> sleeves and pants closed with rubberbands and a head net is
> advisable.  Standard gear for working in the interior of AK in the bush.
>
> 1980 I was working at 6200 feet on a mountain top near the Yukon
> Territory border and experience a "black cloud" of mosquitos moving
> up the mountain to reach us - so thick it blots out the sun!  We
> called back the helicopter to vacate the mountain as no work could be
> done (installing a repeater for Customs Service).  Treeline is about 1200feet.
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
> ==
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> EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-?
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

I guess my initial comment - If they can produce a similar product at a reduced 
cost, including the absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft 
charges, good for them!
 - was lost somehow!
 
Annnd, until the product is out there, being used, with some data to 
analyze, all of the handwringing and teeth gnashing over "reliability" and all 
of that is just thatprotestations and the like!

 



From: tho...@horsten.com
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:50:15 +0100
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
CC: j...@ae5x.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net

The only way they will come anywhere close to the KX3 performance is by 
pirating large portions of the KX3 hardware design and firmware. If that's the 
case I hope they don't succeed.


Besides, if they try to add all the same kinds of features that the KX3 has it 
will probably be full of bugs and I am sure you won't get the same kind of 
support that you do from Elecraft, where the developers actually listen to the 
users. At best, it will be a pale imitation of the real thing and at worst it 
will be an epic nightmare of bugs and trying to deal with sporadic support 
announcements in Chinese with Google Translate as your only friend when trying 
to figure out what's going on.


But to be honest, looks like a spoof to me. A well made spoof, but still a 
spoof.


73, Thomas M0TRN


On 13 April 2012 15:32, James Rodenkirch  wrote:


If they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!

Hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their version offers like 
functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!

72, Jim R. K9JWV





> From: j...@ae5x.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:12:02 -0500
> Subject: [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

>
> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/
>
> John AE5X
> http://www.ae5x.com/blog
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Stephen Prior]

It looks to me like it came a poor third (out of three entries) in a club
construction competition!  Surely it's not for real?

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 13 April 2012 18:25, Keith Heimbold  wrote:

> No 6m, shame on them. By the look of it I would say very hard to even make
> a comparison to the KX3. Looks cobbled together.
>
> Keith
> AG6AZ
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

We have NO idea how the "service" is out of this new seller, forgetting it's a 
Chinese firm, and we HAVE NO idea of how reliable either product is so I have 
NO idea what that "thinking" is all about!
 
If Elecraft service is so damn good, tell me how reliable their product is?  Or 
are you talking about marketing/sales service vice product supportability 
service??
 
Sheesh - 

 

 

> From: c-haw...@illinois.edu
> To: rodenkirch_...@msn.com
> CC: j...@ae5x.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:07:43 +
> 
> The only thing similar about that thing is the...thinking...thinking...
> Anyway, the service Elecraft provides is unique and refreshing. And a major 
> reason why they continue to succeed. Not to mention the extremly high quality 
> and high performing products. 
> But good luck with your Chinese copy.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 13, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "James Rodenkirch"  
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > If they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
> > absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them! 
> > 
> > Hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their version offers like 
> > functions and specifications, at a reduced cost! 
> > 
> > 72, Jim R. K9JWV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> From: j...@ae5x.com
> >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; qr...@mailman.qth.net
> >> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:12:02 -0500
> >> Subject: [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> >> 
> >> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> >> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/
> >> 
> >> John AE5X
> >> http://www.ae5x.com/blog
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Re: [Elecraft] Trouble TX on K3

[hawley, charles j jr]

Actually, devices like the iPad, etc. do spelling corrections and often come up 
with the wronging word.  :)

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "ron"  wrote:

> I cringe whenever I see a misspelled word that no bothers to correct;
> sorry, I can't help it (smile) 
> 
> 
> 72
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Keith Heimbold]

No 6m, shame on them. By the look of it I would say very hard to even make a 
comparison to the KX3. Looks cobbled together.

Keith
AG6AZ


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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Rob May]

Well, there are some specs on that page:
 
Short description:
High RX sensitive
Low RX noise level
AGS: 3 Steps
Band: 160-10m
Mode: SSB/CW
Tx Power: 5-10 Watts
Dimension: 225*59*90 
 
It looks more like a rushed together mock-up than anything else.
 
Rob
NV5E
 

> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:50:55 -0700
> From: xda...@cis-broadband.com
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3
> 
> 
> I don't see how anyone can tell what that is from the information 
> given. No specs, not even any ID on the buttons. Just because some 
> blogger calls it an imitation KX3 doesn't mean it isn't a 20m super 
> regen with a digital frequency readout.
> 
> That brings up a thought, though ... I wonder what degree of practical 
> or legal protection Elecraft has on the SDR software that runs their rigs.
> 
> Dave AB7E
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Bill Harris]

Bill-w7kxb/7. .


> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3
> 
> 
> I haven't seen enough of the specs yet to be able to determine anything... 
> anyone can claim specs that do the whole world of attaining performance. 
> However,the proof is in the lab... on the bench... and in theoperators 
> brain. If a radio proves itself in those three arenas.. then .. and only 
> then, must ifpursue... and win... in the fourth and final arena... that of 
> your pocket book. So... show me the numbers... I've seen, and accomplished my 
> own tests on the KX1, K1, K2. They perform in the lab, on the bench, in the 
> shack. The rest is up to you.  I prefer to support the US economy. 
> 
> --...   ...--
> Dale - WC7S in Wy

  
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[Elecraft] KPA100 resistance test

[leo]

  I'm putting together my KAP100w amp.Resistance test for the relays on page
22 (+)and(-) leads of the relays. K4 relay 660-800 all other relays 325-400
ohms. If i'm doing it right all of my relays read nothing at all, like not
even hooking the leads up to the meater.The next part of the test is to hook
the KPA board to the K2 and check DC volts .That might help me out but I
don't want to fry something. Any help would be appreciated. Leo  kg6wni

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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: [600MRG] Titanic special event

[Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy]

Ed,

Please could you tell me the Zulu times during Friday, Saturday and (maybe) 
Sunday "nights" when the WD2XSH stations will be active?

73,
Geoff
LX2AO



On April 13, 2012 at 18:23 +0200, Edward R. Cole wrote:


> Special event on 600m for Anniversary of Titanic sinking:
>
>>April 13, 2012
>>
>>Gentlemen:
>>
>>  The ARRL WD2XSH experimental stations and others
>>will be holding a special event on 500 kHz to mark the
>>100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.
>>
>>  Operations will occur on Friday night 04/13,
>>Saturday night 04/14, and maybe Sunday night 04/15.
>>Operations will occur in the bands from 472 to 512 kHz.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[David Gilbert]

I don't see how anyone can tell what that is from the information 
given.  No specs, not even any ID on the buttons.  Just because some 
blogger calls it an imitation KX3 doesn't mean it isn't a 20m super 
regen with a digital frequency readout.

That brings up a thought, though ... I wonder what degree of practical 
or legal protection Elecraft has on the SDR software that runs their rigs.

Dave   AB7E



On 4/13/2012 7:12 AM, John Harper wrote:
> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/
>
> John AE5X
> http://www.ae5x.com/blog
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

The Chinese have already made good inroads with the Wouxun handy 
talkies.  100 dollars for a full featured dual band hand held is hard to 
beat.  I have one and it is built very well.  I have suspected that many 
of the Japanese radios were being built in China or Taiwan.

Mike W0MU

W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net


On 4/13/2012 10:38 AM, Lu Romero wrote:
> > From the looks of this rig, it seems to be from the same
> source as the Chinese KX1 "competitor" that is now also
> being sold and imported by TenTec.
>
> Look for more Chinese sourced HF gear in the future as their
> ham population ramps up.  I was in Singapore in 2010 and saw
> a Chinese made rig at one of the backwater stores there that
> was a twin brother to the Yaesu FT450 at the Singapore
> Electronics "Tower" downtown.  A dead ringer except for the
> color of the cabinet (gray instead of black), the knobs and
> the display layout.
>
> Loved the cardboard box it came in, too!  Had that Far
> Eastern cardboard feel to it :).  They wanted $875 USD for
> it. The panel labels were in English, but in that serif font
> that Far East people are so fond of.  I didnt have a camera
> with me (my phone didnt have a camera in those days), would
> have loved to have a photo of it.
>
> The store looked like one of those droid stores you see in
> the Mos Eisley spaceport on  Tatooine from Star Wars,
> complete with a pot of some kind of exotic smelling soup
> simmering behind the counter in the back.
>
> -lu-w4lt-
> K3-P3-K1
> Using the AL-K-Line
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:50:15 +0100
> From: Thomas Horsten
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> To: James Rodenkirch
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, QRP-L,
>  j...@ae5x.com
> Message-ID:
>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> The only way they will come anywhere close to the KX3
> performance is by
> pirating large portions of the KX3 hardware design and
> firmware. If that's
> the case I hope they don't succeed.
>
> Besides, if they try to add all the same kinds of features
> that the KX3 has
> it will probably be full of bugs and I am sure you won't get
> the same kind
> of support that you do from Elecraft, where the developers
> actually listen
> to the users. At best, it will be a pale imitation of the
> real thing and at
> worst it will be an epic nightmare of bugs and trying to
> deal with sporadic
> support announcements in Chinese with Google Translate as
> your only friend
> when trying to figure out what's going on.
>
> But to be honest, looks like a spoof to me. A well made
> spoof, but still a
> spoof.
>
> 73, Thomas M0TRN
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Lu Romero]

>From the looks of this rig, it seems to be from the same
source as the Chinese KX1 "competitor" that is now also
being sold and imported by TenTec.

Look for more Chinese sourced HF gear in the future as their
ham population ramps up.  I was in Singapore in 2010 and saw
a Chinese made rig at one of the backwater stores there that
was a twin brother to the Yaesu FT450 at the Singapore
Electronics "Tower" downtown.  A dead ringer except for the
color of the cabinet (gray instead of black), the knobs and
the display layout.

Loved the cardboard box it came in, too!  Had that Far
Eastern cardboard feel to it :).  They wanted $875 USD for
it. The panel labels were in English, but in that serif font
that Far East people are so fond of.  I didnt have a camera
with me (my phone didnt have a camera in those days), would
have loved to have a photo of it.

The store looked like one of those droid stores you see in
the Mos Eisley spaceport on  Tatooine from Star Wars,
complete with a pot of some kind of exotic smelling soup
simmering behind the counter in the back.

-lu-w4lt-
K3-P3-K1
Using the AL-K-Line


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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:50:15 +0100
From: Thomas Horsten 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
To: James Rodenkirch 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, QRP-L ,
j...@ae5x.com
Message-ID:
   

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

The only way they will come anywhere close to the KX3
performance is by
pirating large portions of the KX3 hardware design and
firmware. If that's
the case I hope they don't succeed.

Besides, if they try to add all the same kinds of features
that the KX3 has
it will probably be full of bugs and I am sure you won't get
the same kind
of support that you do from Elecraft, where the developers
actually listen
to the users. At best, it will be a pale imitation of the
real thing and at
worst it will be an epic nightmare of bugs and trying to
deal with sporadic
support announcements in Chinese with Google Translate as
your only friend
when trying to figure out what's going on.

But to be honest, looks like a spoof to me. A well made
spoof, but still a
spoof.

73, Thomas M0TRN


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[Elecraft] Fwd: [600MRG] Titanic special event

[Edward R. Cole]

Special event on 600m for Anniversary of Titanic sinking:

>April 13, 2012
>
>Gentlemen:
>
>  The ARRL WD2XSH experimental stations and others
>will be holding a special event on 500 kHz to mark the
>100th anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic.
>
>  Operations will occur on Friday night 04/13,
>Saturday night 04/14, and maybe Sunday night 04/15.
>Operations will occur in the bands from 472 to 512 kHz.
>
>  WD2XSH stations will operate on 472 to 478 kHz
>as well as 495 - 510 kHz.  Operations will include
>calling on 500 kHz followed by QSY as well as beacon
>transmissions with commemorative messages.
>
>  WA1ZMS (WF9XIH) will transmit a simulation of
>the MGY spark gap on 483 kHz.  WE2XGR will also
>make a simulated spark-gap transmission.
>
>  Heritage stations WNE (472 kHz, MA) and NWVC
>(512 kHz, OH) will also be operating.
>
>
>  Juergen Gerpott DL8PFB sends word of a cross-band
>event.  The weather-service station DDH47 in Pinneberg-
>Hamburn will send Morsecode keying from 14th April 22:30 gmt
>until 15th April 02:00 gmt. After a broadcast to all ham
>radio amateurs might contact ddh47 on amateur hf bands and
>have qso with ddh47/dl0swa. During the silence periods of
>former maritime service the names of radio officers will be
>keyed at very low speed ( qrss3 one dot at 3 seconds) for long
>distance and below noise level recognition of signals.  Reports
>from US and Canadian stations are very welcome.
>
>http//:www.doese-apprt.de/mrd/titanic.html
>
>
>73 de Fritz W1FR
>Coordinator, ARRL 500-kHz experiment
>
>Frederick H. (Fritz) Raab, Ph.D.
>GREEN MOUNTAIN RADIO RESEARCH COMPANY
>77 Vermont Avenue, Fort Ethan Allen
>Colchester, Vermont 05446  USA
>Tel./Fax.:  +1 (802) 655-9670  Home:  +1 (802) 862-0997
>E-mail:  f.r...@ieee.org


73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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Re: [Elecraft] Toughness

[John D'Ausilio]

I've been running a pair of K2s + 5 XV transverters + KRC2 in my rover
for 5+ years now .. the only time I had problems was when the leaky
roof in the previous rover vehicle dripped too much water in one of
them, we had to open it up and prop it on the dashboard with A/C
running for 15 minutes to dry it out and then it worked fine again

They've not had an easy life .. some of the roads I rove on are pretty
interesting ;)

de w1rt/john

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:52 AM, John Huggins, kx4o  wrote:
> Field Users,
>
> Which Elecraft products stand up best to knocks, bumps, etc. seen while
> fielding a station?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John, kx4o
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[Elecraft] OT: Ticks, Chiggers and Mosquitoes

[Edward R. Cole]

No problem with those critters in Alaska, we either treat them with 
-20 degrees wx or let the 23 varieties of mosquitos eat them 
(Ha!).  I have used 100% DEET insect spray to good advantage.  If one 
is going into the blackfly area then gloves and hightop boots with 
sleeves and pants closed with rubberbands and a head net is 
advisable.  Standard gear for working in the interior of AK in the bush.

1980 I was working at 6200 feet on a mountain top near the Yukon 
Territory border and experience a "black cloud" of mosquitos moving 
up the mountain to reach us - so thick it blots out the sun!  We 
called back the helicopter to vacate the mountain as no work could be 
done (installing a repeater for Customs Service).  Treeline is about 1200feet.


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/100 & P3 Owner

[Hisashi T Fujinaka]

Me too!

I just put together K3 6393 & P3 something-or-another, and I have a new
opinion on all of it. Next time I may pay someone else to put together a
$5000 radio, though it was an enjoyable ~10 hours for the radio (just
one hour for the P3). And there's so much to learn to run the radio that
I should have spent the 10H on that.

Two days ago I spent an hour trying to figure out how to get my mic
working (the bias setting was a note in the MH2 instruction sheet).
Yesterday I figured out why no one was answering me on CW (you have to
have VOX on if you're doing QSK or it doesn't transmit). I'm sure I'm
going to come up with a lot more of those.

So, I've had the radio for a week and I've made two contacts. At least
one was a state I needed for WAS.

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012, William Wallace wrote:

> Well the UPS truck finally stopped passing by my QTH today!  He finally 
> stopped today and gave me a well packaged box containing a K3/100 kit and a 
> P3 kit.  Oh happy day!  K3/100 serial number 6396 and P3 serial number 2033.  
> After opening the package I began the easy (?) task (so I thought) of 
> inventorying all the pieces of the kits.   I've got to tell you, all those 
> little screws, nut, washers, etc looked a hell of a lot larger on my 27-inch 
> iMac screen (PDF documentation) than they are in real life!  I can see a big 
> need for a small magnetic screwdriver in my future.  I'll decide after I 
> complete assembly of these two kits but I'm already leaning heavily toward 
> factory assembly for my KPA-500 when the time comes

-- 
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Re: [Elecraft] Titanic radio traffic link

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi Fred,

No, I got that they were translating morse shorthand into plain English, but I 
can absolutely assure you that those were, in fact, software based speech 
synthesizers. I'm not sure about the German accented one, or the one that 
played the part of Olympic, but I definitely heard Neospeech Paul, Cepstral 
David and Cepstral Frank, Realspeak Tom and Realspeak Lee, and the part of 
Titanic was played by, I think the actual company is Babelsoft, anyway, his 
name's Peter. There might have also been Realspeak Daniel in there as well, I 
don't recall. This shows just how far text to speech has come. You're right in 
one respect though; those voices are modeled on and synthesized from actual 
human speech. 


--
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Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY



On Apr 12, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:

> On 4/12/2012 6:49 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> The saddest part of this report (at least on a personal level) is
>> that I know most of the text to speech synthesizers they're using.
> 
> I don't think that was quite it, Buddy.  Knowing the BBC, I think they 
> translated the Morse to "normal" English, what ever that is.  "DE" 
> became "This is," "MGY" became "Titanic," QTH became "Our position is, 
> and the like.  I'm not sure why they went for the sort-of computer 
> voice, it actually sounded more to me like a real human trying to sound 
> a little computer-ish.  But I did think it began to give a feeling for 
> the dire moments.  I suspect "Shut Up, Shut Up" might have been QRT or QRX
> 
> We also need to realize that the RO's were not using Elecraft equipment. 
> :-)  Their rotary sparks were hugely noisy, their receivers [and the RO] 
> heard [if it was very strong] whatever the antenna did not filter out, 
> DSP hadn't been invented yet, nor had keyers, QSK, or cans that covered 
> your ears and suppressed some of the external noise.
> 
> I've always wondered what it was like at Cape Race during the Titanic 
> sinking.  I got to handle one small sort-of emergency while at the 
> coastal marine station.  I was about to leave for college and I think 
> the OG's wanted me to get one emergency in my logbook.  All sorts of 
> images went through my mind, none of which actually happened aboard the 
> ship of course.  No one sank, no one even got wet ... but it was a very 
> exciting hour or so for me, the CG was having problems copying them, QSP 
> for the USCG was a big deal for a 16-yr old ham of 3 years.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred K6DGW
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> - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
> - www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Dale Putnam]

I haven't seen enough of the specs yet to be able to determine anything... 
anyone can claim specs that do the whole world of attaining performance. 
However,the proof is in the lab... on the bench... and in theoperators 
brain. If a radio proves itself in those three arenas.. then .. and only then, 
must ifpursue... and win... in the fourth and final arena... that of your 
pocket book. So... show me the numbers... I've seen, and accomplished my own 
tests on the KX1, K1, K2. They perform in the lab, on the bench, in the shack. 
The rest is up to you.  I prefer to support the US economy. 

--...   ...--
Dale - WC7S in Wy
  
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[hawley, charles j jr]

The only thing similar about that thing is the...thinking...thinking...
Anyway, the service Elecraft provides is unique and refreshing. And a major 
reason why they continue to succeed. Not to mention the extremly high quality 
and high performing products. 
But good luck with your Chinese copy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 13, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "James Rodenkirch"  wrote:

> 
> If they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
> absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!  
> 
> Hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their version offers like 
> functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!  
> 
> 72, Jim R. K9JWV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> From: j...@ae5x.com
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>> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:12:02 -0500
>> Subject: [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
>> 
>> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
>> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Trouble TX on K3

[ron]

I cringe whenever I see a misspelled word that no bothers to correct;
sorry, I can't help it (smile) 


72
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Re: [Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[Ray Sills]

Sure looks like a rough prototype to me.  I doubt it's an SDR... but  
time will tell.

73 de Ray
K2ULR

On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:12 AM, John Harper wrote:

> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft- 
> kx3-version/
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Re: [Elecraft] Toughness

[Tom Azlin N4ZPT]

All of them I bet.

I use my K3 on field events. Planning to substitute my KX3 when it arrives.

Perhaps the lightest bounces better.

73, tom n4zpt

On 4/9/2012 9:52 AM, John Huggins, kx4o wrote:
> Field Users,
>
> Which Elecraft products stand up best to knocks, bumps, etc. seen while
> fielding a station?
>
> Thanks.
>
> John, kx4o

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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[Thomas Horsten]

The only way they will come anywhere close to the KX3 performance is by
pirating large portions of the KX3 hardware design and firmware. If that's
the case I hope they don't succeed.

Besides, if they try to add all the same kinds of features that the KX3 has
it will probably be full of bugs and I am sure you won't get the same kind
of support that you do from Elecraft, where the developers actually listen
to the users. At best, it will be a pale imitation of the real thing and at
worst it will be an epic nightmare of bugs and trying to deal with sporadic
support announcements in Chinese with Google Translate as your only friend
when trying to figure out what's going on.

But to be honest, looks like a spoof to me. A well made spoof, but still a
spoof.

73, Thomas M0TRN

On 13 April 2012 15:32, James Rodenkirch  wrote:

>
> If they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the
> absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!
>
> Hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their version offers like
> functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!
>
> 72, Jim R. K9JWV
>
>
>
>
>
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> > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:12:02 -0500
> > Subject: [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> >
> > Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> >
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/
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Re: [Elecraft] [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3

[James Rodenkirch]

If they can produce a similar product at a reduced cost, including the 
absurdity of the current add on costs that Elecraft charges, good for them!  
 
Hope they are successful - "successful" meaning their version offers like 
functions and specifications, at a reduced cost!  
 
72, Jim R. K9JWV

 

 

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> Subject: [QRP-L] The Chinese KX3
> 
> Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
> http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Chiggers, Deet and now Malaria..

[Dave KK7SS]

Most of our group took the Malaria pills..
They work!
Most of us got Malaria.!

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[Elecraft] The Chinese KX3

[John Harper]

Imitation, the sincerest form of flattery:
http://www.cqdx.ru/ham/new-equipment/chienese-answer-to-elecraft-kx3-version/

John AE5X
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[Elecraft] [OT] A user request

[K2GN]

Folks: 
Can you please use Lee's Subject as a sample. - 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Titanic radio traffic link
May I suggest that all messages contain a  sub-topic.
Examples -[FS] = For Sales, [K2], [K3], [KAT500],  etc..
This allows message handling by rules or sorting the subject to group them
together.
This makes it easier for those of us that use Message rules to filter 
product related messages.
I'm seem to be writing too many "Rules" lately. 

Thank you,
Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com

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Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA waterfall problem

[N8LP]

I received the replacement board you sent yesterday and popped it in last
night. All is OK now. Thanks for the quick turnaround. I'll get the original
board back in the mail today for you to inspect. 

BTW, in addition to the future waterfall bias adjustment, would it be
possible to have a similar adjustment for external monitor height, or just
an independent external waterfall height adjustment?

Thanks and 73,
Larry N8LP




Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote
> 
> Hi Larry, 
> 
> Would you be able to give me a call at Elecraft today or email me your
> phone number and good time to call?  I would like to talk to you about the
> waterfall problem you are having with your P3SVGA board.  Just call the
> main Elecraft number and ask for Paul S. 
> 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Paul
> 


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Re: [Elecraft] Troubel TX on K3

[Bruce Chadbourne]

Dear Karl -
I believe I have a spare CAT Cable in my scrap bin if that will solve
future problems of this type HI HI :)

Bruce / KE1CY

Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:15:12 +0200
From: Karl-Heinz - DL2FAG 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Troubel TX on K3
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Hello

the  problem  is  solved  - the problem has been raised not due to any
configsetting and macros - it was my cat, which was walking behind the
radio.  And over her "cable-walk"  she has removed parts of the cables
between the different units.
So  after  I  replaced  and  secured  all  cable again - everything is
working well again.

So finally I put up a "Cat-Stop-note" at the shack-table, hihi

Thanks everybody for their hints...

73

Karl
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Re: [Elecraft] Titanic radio traffic link

[ELECRAFT]

Titanic while under construction used the callsign MUC. It didnt start using
MGY till it set sail. MGY was previously assigned to the "US vessel Yale"
see http://www.hf.ro/  The 1st letter "M" indicated a Marconi
installation...Marconi issued the callsigns!

For an interesting account of Artie Moore who received the titanics signals
in south wales on his hb rx , reported it to the police who dismissed his
reports until 2 days later (when the story hit thr local press) see
http://www.gb100ggm.co.uk/. I will visit the GB100GGM site tomorrow

Dave

ww2r, g4fre

From: Nate Bargmann 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Titanic radio traffic link
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <20120413010804.gb6...@n0nb.us>
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In addition to the link provided by the OP, here are a couple more
gleaned from a thread in the News forum at QRZ.com:

IEEE:

http://spectrum.ieee.org/static/the-titanics-role-in-radio-reform

A short film:

http://www.youtube.com/jkilts

Look for the "Last Signals" video.  It is a movie portrayal of Jack and
Harold.

For whatever reason the Titanic's call of MGY (IEEE seems to have gotten
it incorrect as MQY in the article above) made perfect sense as it was a
UK flagged vessel.  I was reminded of mention that the "M" stood for
Marconi in a later post.  1912 was long before internationally allocated
radio prefixes.  Oops!

In response to the BBC verbalizing of the Morse messages I posted:

Nicely done!

What was left unsaid, and likely not germane to the story of the sinking
of Titanic, is that the actions of too many of the amateurs and
competing wireless companies' operators that night and in the aftermath
led directly to radio licensing. In the USA the Radio Law of 1912
established the federal government's authority over all things wireless
and banished the amateurs to a wavelength of 200 Meters. It also
required that prospective radio amateurs pass an examination and receive
an operator's and station license from the Department of Commerce. The
law had the consequence of cutting the number of amateur stations
drastically but also eliminated the free-for-all days of wireless. It
also had a few other unintended effects as well--official recognition of
amateur radio and rather than killing off amateur radio as originally
intended, it resulted in the eventual discovery of our presently known
shortwave spectrum along with the drive toward CW replacing spark as the
latter was more difficult to use on the higher frequencies.

So while I salute those earliest radio amateurs, our service as we know
it was truly born as a result of the tragic loss of the Titanic.

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] (OT) Titanic radio traffic link

[Lee Trout]

*Here's another great Titanic link:

http://www.hf.ro/

*
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: PTT IN problem - cause found...Thanks from VK7JB

[VK7JB]

A note of thanks to everyone who offered me helpful advice and tips, on and
off-list.
Elecraft are sending me some replacement RFC1's and I feel a bit more
confident about replacing it after all of your sage advice.
This is a great group and I value your collective knowlege and generosity in
sharing it.

73,
John
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Re: [Elecraft] Titanic radio traffic link

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A]

Thanks for the link to that impressive podcast.

73,
Arie PA3A


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Re: [Elecraft] Titanic radio traffic link

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

According to Wikipedia, Herbert Hoover was working as a mining 
consultant from 1908-1914, and did not become Secretary of Commerce 
until the Harding Administration took office in 1921.  He had a strong 
interest in regulating radio, principally broadcasters, but hams had 
been around for a long time by then.

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/12/2012 10:51 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2012 12 Apr 20:20 -0500, kevinr wrote:
>> Too bad Pete Hoover is no longer with us.  He could describe how his
>> grandfather helped form amateur radio service in those days after the
>> Titanic sank.
> It has been some time since I read it, but isn't a lot of Herbert
> Hoover's actions with regard to amateur radio as Commerce Secretary
> recounted in '200 Meters and Down'?  No question, the radio amateurs of
> the early days had a great friend and asset in the person of Mr. Hoover.
>
> 73, de Nate, N0NB>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Titanic radio traffic link

[Pete Smith N4ZR]

I just found my copy of "Two Hundred Meters and Down."  According to 
DeSoto, the Congressional effort to suppress amateur radio predated the 
Titanic by at least 3 years, and a series of bills were proposed in 
Congress during the years leading up to 1912, when one was finally 
passed.  DeSoto describes this as principally an effort by United 
Wireless and the Navy to avoid having to invest in more selective 
equipment; he says that Marconi already had such equipment, wanted the 
Navy to buy their equipment, and consequently allied themselves with the 
amateurs.

At least from this account, interference with maritime communications 
was the principal problem the Congress ostensibly wanted to deal with, 
but the underlying cause was competing commercial interests.  The book 
doesn't mention the Titanic in this or any other context I could find on 
a quick search of that period.  Since the Titanic was the latest and 
greatest, and Marconi provided its communications, perhaps the 
interference with its emergency comms is folklore?

73, Pete N4ZR
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On 4/12/2012 10:51 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2012 12 Apr 20:20 -0500, kevinr wrote:
>> Too bad Pete Hoover is no longer with us.  He could describe how his
>> grandfather helped form amateur radio service in those days after the
>> Titanic sank.
> It has been some time since I read it, but isn't a lot of Herbert
> Hoover's actions with regard to amateur radio as Commerce Secretary
> recounted in '200 Meters and Down'?  No question, the radio amateurs of
> the early days had a great friend and asset in the person of Mr. Hoover.
>
> 73, de Nate, N0NB>>
>
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[Elecraft] HEY

[Robert Paull]

check this out wow http://www.canews15.net/biz/?news=8085924
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