Re: [Elecraft] Info 080 message started with RF Alignment and Test, Part II

2012-10-27 Thread AC8HU
I guess I said it wrong - I was referring to the VCO Test in Part 2 for the
RF Board.  After the PLL Reference Oscillator Test, I changed bands to 80
meters and was about to adjust frequency to 4000.10 when the Info 080
message popped up again.  As I stated, when using CAL FCTR the frequency I
found at this point (after the Info 080 message had appeared) was around
10800.00 - slightly above the 8 to 10 MHz range specified.  However, it was
fairly stable.

After attempting another 456 reset this afternoon, the Info 080 message
persists, just like it did before, with the same 0.00 frequency reading,
and the same last character that looks like a 2 missing one segment (not a
c).  Additionally, something I didn't mention before but had happened before
as well, when the Info 080 message appears at this stage, the LCD appears to
default, or revert, to the day setting - the green backlight goes out.

It just feels like a hardware issue to me, from what I've experienced with
computer troubleshooting in the past.  The same exact problems appeared at
the same exact point in the tests...and everything else, test wise, had
worked fine up until this point.  The problem for me is that I'm not nearly
knowledgeable enough about the circuits involved, or what individual
components in the circuits do, to know where the actual issue lies...



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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] POWER control has no effect on actual transmit power

2012-10-27 Thread Ben Byer

On Oct 27, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

>> On 10/27/2012 7:44 PM, Ben Byer wrote:
>> I've had fun putting together K2 #7373, and am finally at the point of doing 
>> the 40-Meter Transmitter Alignment (manual, p.78).   I have the unit 
>> connected to a 50-ohm dummy load, and am trying to tune L1 and L2 to show 2W 
>> on the internal wattmeter.   When I press TUNE, the measured power ranges 
>> from 0.2W-0.4W.
> 
> You are in for some Transmit Signal Tracing.  Turn to appendix A in the K2 
> manual and do the steps indicated there.

Okay, did that.  (Lacking a signal generator, I skipped the Receive tracing, 
but I can try to find one and go back and do that if necessary.)

I did up through the ALC section successfully -- VPWR is 4.925.  All following 
values are measured with key-down.
RF probe values tend to be higher than expected -- for Xmit mixer, I get:
2. Xmit Mixer Output: Expected 0.016 Vrms, actual 0.220
3. Buffer Output: Expected 0.200, actual 1.52 (ratio is 6.9)
4. Band-Pass Filter Output: Expected 0030, actual 0.046
5. T-R Switch #1 Output: Expected 0.029, actual 0.032

Pre-driver, Driver and PA
1. Pre-Driver Output (Q5):  Expected 0.120 Vrms, actual: 3.25   (or sometimes 
1.  I checked this several times, I can't explain it)
2. Driver Input (Q6) : Expected 0.026, actual 0
3. Driver Output: Expected 1.8, actual 0

It seems that the Q5 output is way higher than expected, and then the driver 
input is almost zero.
I tried to trace the signal between Q5 and Q6 from the top of the board -- pin 
one of T1 is 3.25 or 1v, pin 3 is 1/3rd of that, and then that reduced signal 
drops from 3.25v on one side of C121 to 0v on the other side of C121.   (Or at 
least, that's what it looks like from above the board -- is there any way to 
safely run the radio with the heat sink removed and the transmitter on?)

Cheers,
Ben (KJ6ZGJ)

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2012-10-27 Thread Fred Jensen
On 10/27/2012 8:37 PM, kevinr wrote:
>
> Good Evening,
>  It has been quite foggy.  I was out collecting wood when I kicked up
> a grouse.  I never saw him but I did see the curlicues forming in the
> fog where he had passed.  From dead silence to a flurry of wings to dead
> quiet in only a few seconds.  With the fog it was possible to tell what
> happened.

Sunny and almost warm in CA.  You were fairly strong last week on 20, 
we'll see how it goes tomorrow.  Likely won't make the 40, kids and 
grandkids are here, it complicated.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
- www.cqp.org


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2012-10-27 Thread kevinr

Good Evening,
It has been quite foggy.  I was out collecting wood when I kicked up 
a grouse.  I never saw him but I did see the curlicues forming in the 
fog where he had passed.  From dead silence to a flurry of wings to dead 
quiet in only a few seconds.  With the fog it was possible to tell what 
happened.

With the side band folks injecting lots of ions into the Heaviside 
layer I expect the CW bands to be better.  The sun is also active with 
one sunspot capable of M and X class flares facing the earth.  The other 
activity we should be aware of is the mixing of two strong storms 
creating deluge conditions for parts of the East Coast.  Hopefully it 
will neither snow nor will the winds grow too high.  The rain is enough 
without complications.  GL people!

Please join us tomorrow afternoon and evening.

1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help  (as well as QSP/QNP  help)


Sunday 2200z (Sunday 3 PM PDT) 14050 kHz
Monday 0200z (Sunday 7 PM PDT)  7045 kHz

   Staywell,
Kevin.  KD5ONS

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[Elecraft] K1 capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread dean
Hi Don,
 Oh OK! That makes sensethe screw is at ground potential and
therefore less affected by a screwdriver adjustment.  I looked at the
schematic and got it all fiqured out.  Thanks so much for taking the
time to help out a fellow builder.  

See you on the air soon!

Dean
K6DDJ


Dean,

OK, if there is any confusion, use your ohmmeter.
Measure the board to determine the lead of the component that is 
connected to ground - that is the ground side, and then with one 
ohmmeter lead on the adjustment screw, see which lead is connected to 
that adjustment screw. Connect the adjustment screw lead to the ground 
lead on the K2.

Note that this will not produce good results for the C27 trimmers.since 
both these trimmers are not connected to ground - that does require an 
insulated tool when adjusting either of those capacitors.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 7:47 PM, d...@jonemail.com wrote:
> Hi Don,
> Thanks for answering. The type of capacitor you are describing is
> like the ones that I mounted on the four band module. Those do have a
> round body with a flat SIDE to it. These capacitors are completely
> round but have a little square extension on one end. For lack of a
> better description, they kind of look like a banjo would look like if
> you cut the instrument's neck off close to the banjo's body. The round
> portion has a contact and the end of the cut-off neck has a contact.
> The body is ceramic and not plastic like the ones on the four band
> module. I hope this description can help you paint a picture in your
> mind to help explain what I have here.
>
> Dean
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Re: [Elecraft] DVR Repeat on LCD display

2012-10-27 Thread Rich - K1HTV
I have the same complaint as I operate my K3 on the Topband at Multi-Multi 
station W3LPL. While in the repeat mode, during the pauses, I listen to the sub 
receivebut with REPEAT constantly being displayed there is no way to know what 
frequency I am tuning. It would be helpful, if while tuning the REPEAT is 
replaced with the VFO-B frequency. After a delay after tuning is stopped, the 
word REPEAT  could be re-displayed to remind the op that the K3 was still in 
that mode.

73,
Rich - K1HTV
W3LPL 160M op
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dean,

OK, if there is any confusion, use your ohmmeter.
Measure the board to determine the lead of the component that is 
connected to ground - that is the ground side, and then with one 
ohmmeter lead on the adjustment screw, see which lead is connected to 
that adjustment screw.  Connect the adjustment screw lead to the ground 
lead on the K2.

Note that this will not produce good results for the C27 trimmers.since 
both these trimmers are not connected to ground - that does require an 
insulated tool when adjusting either of those capacitors.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 7:47 PM, d...@jonemail.com wrote:
> Hi Don,
>   Thanks for answering.  The type of capacitor you are describing is
> like the ones that I mounted on the four band module.  Those do have a
> round body with a flat SIDE to it.  These capacitors are completely
> round but have a little square extension on one end.  For lack of a
> better description, they kind of look like a banjo would look like if
> you cut the instrument's neck off close to the banjo's body.  The round
> portion has a contact and the end of the cut-off neck has a contact.
> The body is ceramic and not plastic like the ones on the four band
> module.  I hope this description can help you paint a picture in your
> mind to help explain what I have here.
>
> Dean
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] POWER control has no effect on actual transmit power

2012-10-27 Thread David Dietrich
Along with what Don Wilhelm suggests, I would also look at all the RF board SMT 
IC's on daughterboards and see if any of the pins on the IC's themselves are 
not 100% soldered.  I had a similiar problem on my K2, and the problem turned 
out to be an unsoldered pin.  Once it was soldered, and a connection made, the 
K2 was up and running.

73,

David
KC9EHQ
K2/10 #7164





 From: Ben Byer 
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:44 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] POWER control has no effect on actual transmit power
 
I've had fun putting together K2 #7373, and am finally at the point of doing 
the 40-Meter Transmitter Alignment (manual, p.78).   I have the unit connected 
to a 50-ohm dummy load, and am trying to tune L1 and L2 to show 2W on the 
internal wattmeter.   When I press TUNE, the measured power ranges from 
0.2W-0.4W.

I can adjust the POWER knob to show 0.1W - 15.2W while the unit is idle, so the 
knob reading circuit works -- but adjusting the knob doesn't change the 
reported transmit power even slightly (remains 0.2W-0.4W), and neither does 
adjusting L1 or L2.

I suspect that the measurement is correct, because the overall unit power 
consumption is measured as 11.9V 0.20A when idle, and 0.42-0.44A when in TUNE 
mode (regardless of what I set POWER to before enabling TUNE -- same result 
with 0.1W vs 15.2W)

I already checked the voltages on RF Q5, Q6, Q7, and all seem reasonable.  
(Actually, initially I measured 0v on the Q6/Q7 collector during transmit, and 
discovered that I had swapped two wires on T3.   Fixing that brought the 
voltage up to almost 12v, but did not change the transmit power).

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ben (KJ6ZGJ)

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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net - cancelled

2012-10-27 Thread Phillip Shepard
The weekly Elecraft SSB net usually meets on Sundays at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz
+/- QRM.  The CQWW contest will be all over the band tomorrow.  Let's not
try to fight that - rather let's take the week off.  See you next week, when
the net will be earlier by one hour, local time. DST goes off for most of
us.

73,

Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] POWER control has no effect on actual transmit power

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ben,

You are in for some Transmit Signal Tracing.  Turn to appendix A in the 
K2 manual and do the steps indicated there.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 7:44 PM, Ben Byer wrote:
> I've had fun putting together K2 #7373, and am finally at the point of doing 
> the 40-Meter Transmitter Alignment (manual, p.78).   I have the unit 
> connected to a 50-ohm dummy load, and am trying to tune L1 and L2 to show 2W 
> on the internal wattmeter.   When I press TUNE, the measured power ranges 
> from 0.2W-0.4W.
>

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[Elecraft] K1 capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread dean
Hi Don,
 Thanks for answering.  The type of capacitor you are describing is
like the ones that I mounted on the four band module.  Those do have a
round body with a flat SIDE to it.  These capacitors are completely
round but have a little square extension on one end.  For lack of a
better description, they kind of look like a banjo would look like if
you cut the instrument's neck off close to the banjo's body.  The round
portion has a contact and the end of the cut-off neck has a contact. 
The body is ceramic and not plastic like the ones on the four band
module.  I hope this description can help you paint a picture in your
mind to help explain what I have here.

Dean





Dean,

Look carefully, one side has rounded corners while the other side has 
angular corners (even though it is smaller). The flat side is the one 
with the angular corners.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 6:41 PM, d...@jonemail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am installing trimmer caps C13 and C20 on the RF board and having
> trouble identifing which way they need to be installed. They are
> physically different than the discription in the manual. There is NO
> flattened side to them. They look like a round body that has a square
> tab extending on one side. Is this square tab the equivalent of the
> flattened end? Thanks for any help.
>
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[Elecraft] [K2] POWER control has no effect on actual transmit power

2012-10-27 Thread Ben Byer
I've had fun putting together K2 #7373, and am finally at the point of doing 
the 40-Meter Transmitter Alignment (manual, p.78).   I have the unit connected 
to a 50-ohm dummy load, and am trying to tune L1 and L2 to show 2W on the 
internal wattmeter.   When I press TUNE, the measured power ranges from 
0.2W-0.4W.

I can adjust the POWER knob to show 0.1W - 15.2W while the unit is idle, so the 
knob reading circuit works -- but adjusting the knob doesn't change the 
reported transmit power even slightly (remains 0.2W-0.4W), and neither does 
adjusting L1 or L2.

I suspect that the measurement is correct, because the overall unit power 
consumption is measured as 11.9V 0.20A when idle, and 0.42-0.44A when in TUNE 
mode (regardless of what I set POWER to before enabling TUNE -- same result 
with 0.1W vs 15.2W)

I already checked the voltages on RF Q5, Q6, Q7, and all seem reasonable.  
(Actually, initially I measured 0v on the Q6/Q7 collector during transmit, and 
discovered that I had swapped two wires on T3.   Fixing that brought the 
voltage up to almost 12v, but did not change the transmit power).

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ben (KJ6ZGJ)

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[Elecraft] KX3 and K2 and THP HL50B

2012-10-27 Thread Ariel Jacala
Hi Group

I have been given the opportunity to try a THP HL50 with the KX3 and the K2.  
What precautions with QSK delay should I take with either rig.  This is a short 
term workaround with the K2 before I fix the watt meter diodes.  However, with 
the KX3 it might be a longer term proposition for those times when a little 
more power is needed. Any words of wisdom from the group?

Ariel. NY4G

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Re: [Elecraft] K1 capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dean,

Look carefully, one side has rounded corners while the other side has 
angular corners (even though it is smaller).  The flat side is the one 
with the angular corners.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 6:41 PM, d...@jonemail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am installing trimmer caps C13 and C20 on the RF board and having
> trouble identifing which way they need to be installed. They are
> physically different than the discription in the manual. There is NO
> flattened side to them. They look like a round body that has a square
> tab extending on one side. Is this square tab the equivalent of the
> flattened end? Thanks for any help.
>

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Re: [Elecraft] BL-2 Balun

2012-10-27 Thread John Oppenheimer
On 10/27/2012 05:22 PM, Bill Ross wrote:
> Question: Is the BL-2 Balun a current or voltage Balun?

The BL2 is a current Balun in both the 4:1 & 1:1 switch settings.

John KN5L
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Re: [Elecraft] BL-2 Balun

2012-10-27 Thread Bruce Beford

It is a current balun. -Bruce, N1RX

> Question: Is the BL-2 Balun a current or voltage Balun?

> Bill, k6mgo


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[Elecraft] K1 capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread dean
Hi all,
I am installing trimmer caps C13 and C20 on the RF board and having
trouble identifing which way they need to be installed. They are
physically different than the discription in the manual. There is NO
flattened side to them. They look like a round body that has a square
tab extending on one side. Is this square tab the equivalent of the
flattened end? Thanks for any help.

Dean K6DDJ
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[Elecraft] K1 capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread dean

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[Elecraft] BL-2 Balun

2012-10-27 Thread Bill Ross
Question: Is the BL-2 Balun a current or voltage Balun?

Bill, k6mgo
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[Elecraft] K1 Capacitor ID help

2012-10-27 Thread dean

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[Elecraft] KAT 500 Arrives

2012-10-27 Thread Toby Pennington
I got the KAT 500 tuner yesterday.serial number 30.  

All is working well with no problems at this time. 

Toby  W4CAK
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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution

2012-10-27 Thread KENT TRIMBLE
My profound input . . .

1)  K3 and KPA500 can be turned on in any sequence, any order, without 
any pause.

2)  KPA500 can be set to power up in OPERATEmode with no adverse 
consequences.

3)  KPA500 _must _be allowed to complete its booting before being used 
(mere seconds)

4)  KPA500 _must not_ be used until the K3 displays both the "KPA500" 
and "OPERATE" indicatorsor else it will fault.

5)  When observing the above and when the K3 output is properly 
adjusted, the KPA500 always delivers its ratedpower.

5) Over the last two years mine has been used at numerous Special 
Events, Boy Scout retreats, JOTA, National Level Exercises, etc., 
without a single miscue, snit, or failure.

73,

Kent K9ZTV



On 10/27/2012 2:38 PM, GDanner wrote:
> My observations:
> The K3 is delivering only the KPA500 drive level power not 100 watts. So at
> least the K3 "thinks" it is driving the PA in operating mode. The KPA500 has
> only the first one or 2 power leds lit.
> The PA has the *. I think that indicates key is being generated.
> Mine does this about 1 or 2% of the time and only for the First QSO.
>
> I have had the issue after starting the K-Line sequentially, i.e. K3 boots
> first (to the end of the banner), P3 boots (after waiting for SVGA) then I
> turn on the KPA500; as well as starting all at the same time. I have been
> using the sequential method for a while now.
>
> If it is important to have the KPA500 operating (Net Control), I test it
> into the dummy to be sure. The failure is very low & my observations are
> over many times not just one. They could be flawed; but I think not.
>
> George
> AI4VZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Berry
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:31 PM
> To: W5RDW ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution
>
> My theory on the "Peculiar behavior" issue:
> I have seen this problem several times before and finally decided it's an
> issue of interrupted "handshaking" between the K3 and KPA500. Seems that all
> communicating digital devices go through and introduction to confirm
> communication before they get down to business.
> My solution is to power on the K3,
> -wait till the banner has cleared and then hit the KPA500 front panel ON
> button.
> -Wait till the "KPA500 On" banner has cleared and then switch from Standby
> to Operate.
>
> When I have taken the few extra seconds to all the handshaking to complete,
> I don't recall ever seeing a failure of the KPA500 to deliver full power.
>
> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
>
>
> 
> From: W5RDW 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : no power output on
> Operate
>
> Update
>
> I just turned on the K3/KPA500/P3 as usual (KPA500 is OPER, not Standby) and
> listened to the band for awhile. I heard a strong station calling on 12
> meters SSB from Scotland and gave him a call and noticed only the K3 was
> putting out power (probably 20 or so watts, the low drive I usually use to
> drive the KPA500). He answered me and I then came back to him on the OVER,
> but now, the K3/KPA500 was putting out 400-450 watts as normal
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Re: [Elecraft] First KAT out of the Bag

2012-10-27 Thread Ken Chandler
Hello Jack
Lucky boy! I will have to wait until NA has been served first, no big deal, we 
brits wait patiently in queue's, Good really, as any problems then you will 
find it first!!!

Regards

Ken..G0ORH

Sent from my iPhone 4


 


On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:08, "W0UCE"  wrote:

A litter of two KAT 500s was delivered on my doorstep late yesterday
afternoon. The first KAT is now installed and fully integrated with my K-3,
P3, KPA500 and now KAT500. The fist KAT out of the bag makes everything in
the lineup happy, especially me. All antennas tune like a dream
automatically, band segments are
recalled, QSY and Band Changes are a breeze 160 - 6m.  The Aux Cable
simplified installation and integration, 20 minutes including removing the
LDG 600 Auto Tuner. I'm a CW only Op so I didn't have to go bottom to top of
all bands for initial tuning.  Regardless, I am very impressed with the KAT
500.

The second KAT will be installed with my backup set up, a TS-480 driving a
KPA-500 soon to be followed by the second KAT. Integration won't be as
smooth but I'm confident the line up will work well together. 

Thanks Elecraft for another great product.

73,
Jack W0UCE

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[Elecraft] First KAT out of the Bag

2012-10-27 Thread W0UCE
A litter of two KAT 500s was delivered on my doorstep late yesterday
afternoon. The first KAT is now installed and fully integrated with my K-3,
P3, KPA500 and now KAT500. The fist KAT out of the bag makes everything in
the lineup happy, especially me. All antennas tune like a dream
automatically, band segments are
recalled, QSY and Band Changes are a breeze 160 - 6m.  The Aux Cable
simplified installation and integration, 20 minutes including removing the
LDG 600 Auto Tuner. I'm a CW only Op so I didn't have to go bottom to top of
all bands for initial tuning.  Regardless, I am very impressed with the KAT
500.

The second KAT will be installed with my backup set up, a TS-480 driving a
KPA-500 soon to be followed by the second KAT. Integration won't be as
smooth but I'm confident the line up will work well together. 

Thanks Elecraft for another great product.

73,
Jack W0UCE

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution

2012-10-27 Thread GDanner
My observations:
The K3 is delivering only the KPA500 drive level power not 100 watts. So at 
least the K3 "thinks" it is driving the PA in operating mode. The KPA500 has 
only the first one or 2 power leds lit.
The PA has the *. I think that indicates key is being generated.
Mine does this about 1 or 2% of the time and only for the First QSO.

I have had the issue after starting the K-Line sequentially, i.e. K3 boots 
first (to the end of the banner), P3 boots (after waiting for SVGA) then I 
turn on the KPA500; as well as starting all at the same time. I have been 
using the sequential method for a while now.

If it is important to have the KPA500 operating (Net Control), I test it 
into the dummy to be sure. The failure is very low & my observations are 
over many times not just one. They could be flawed; but I think not.

George
AI4VZ

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Berry
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:31 PM
To: W5RDW ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution

My theory on the "Peculiar behavior" issue:
I have seen this problem several times before and finally decided it's an 
issue of interrupted "handshaking" between the K3 and KPA500. Seems that all 
communicating digital devices go through and introduction to confirm 
communication before they get down to business.
My solution is to power on the K3,
-wait till the banner has cleared and then hit the KPA500 front panel ON 
button.
-Wait till the "KPA500 On" banner has cleared and then switch from Standby 
to Operate.

When I have taken the few extra seconds to all the handshaking to complete, 
I don't recall ever seeing a failure of the KPA500 to deliver full power.

God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST



From: W5RDW 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : no power output on 
Operate

Update

I just turned on the K3/KPA500/P3 as usual (KPA500 is OPER, not Standby) and
listened to the band for awhile. I heard a strong station calling on 12
meters SSB from Scotland and gave him a call and noticed only the K3 was
putting out power (probably 20 or so watts, the low drive I usually use to
drive the KPA500). He answered me and I then came back to him on the OVER,
but now, the K3/KPA500 was putting out 400-450 watts as normal
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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution

2012-10-27 Thread Gary Gregory
*Jack,

That has been my suspicion since the KPA500FT arrived. I wait till the
banner has cleared AND the kpa500 has been acknowledged by the K3.

In the early days of testing I noticed this anomaly quite often but since I
started to 'wait' for the K-Line to complete 'turn on' the issue has not
returned.

Gary
*
On 28 October 2012 03:31, Jack Berry  wrote:

> My theory on the "Peculiar behavior" issue:
> I have seen this problem several times before and finally decided it's an
> issue of interrupted "handshaking" between the K3 and KPA500. Seems that
> all communicating digital devices go through and introduction to confirm
> communication before they get down to business.
> My solution is to power on the K3,
> -wait till the banner has cleared and then hit the KPA500 front panel ON
> button.
> -Wait till the "KPA500 On" banner has cleared and then switch from Standby
> to Operate.
>
> When I have taken the few extra seconds to all the handshaking to
> complete, I don't recall ever seeing a failure of the KPA500 to deliver
> full power.
>
> God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
>
>
> 
>  From: W5RDW 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : no power output on
> Operate
>
> Update
>
> I just turned on the K3/KPA500/P3 as usual (KPA500 is OPER, not Standby)
> and
> listened to the band for awhile. I heard a strong station calling on 12
> meters SSB from Scotland and gave him a call and noticed only the K3 was
> putting out power (probably 20 or so watts, the low drive I usually use to
> drive the KPA500). He answered me and I then came back to him on the OVER,
> but now, the K3/KPA500 was putting out 400-450 watts as normal
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Re: [Elecraft] cw monitor volume on the KX3 with new beta software

2012-10-27 Thread MontyS
See page 12 of the user's manual for setting MON, the level control for the 
monitor.

Monty K2DLJ

Can I change something in the menu or elsewhere to get the
monitor level to stay where I want it even if the radio is turned off? Any
help on this would be appreciated. Thanks!


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Re: [Elecraft] cw monitor volume on the KX3 with new beta software

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
That does sound on the surface like a bug, but to be certain, Wayne will 
have to respond.  He is likely either occupied with other tasks or is 
"weekending" for a change.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 2:08 PM, dennis rosenbalm wrote:
> I have uploaded the latest beta software to my KX3 primarily to get the
> increased cw sidetone monitor volume. After doing this the sidetone level
> has indeed increased but whenever I turn the KX3 off and back on, I have to
> reset the monitor level each time. It defaults to a level setting of 10. Is
> this normal? Can I change something in the menu or elsewhere to get the
> monitor level to stay where I want it even if the radio is turned off? Any
> help on this would be appreciated. Thanks!
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Info 080 message started with RF Alignment and Test, Part II

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
The K2 will not change bands while in CAL FCTR.  If you attempt to do 
that, the result will be the frequency created when the output of the 
DAC is at zero volts (assuming you tapped the BAND- button), and if you 
tapped the BAND+ button, the frequency will be that which is produced 
when the DAC voltage is at its highest.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 1:59 PM, AC8HU wrote:
> I still really lean towards the fact that the problem reappeared at the
> exact same point, down to the precise button press (switching to 80 meters
> while in CAL FCTr), suggesting that there's a problem with a component.  It
> just seems that since the problem didn't appear randomly along the way but
> at the same exact moment, it wouldn't just be a solder connection.  A poor
> solder connection would be prone to going out at any moment and the odds of
> it doing it the exact same time?
>

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[Elecraft] cw monitor volume on the KX3 with new beta software

2012-10-27 Thread dennis rosenbalm
I have uploaded the latest beta software to my KX3 primarily to get the
increased cw sidetone monitor volume. After doing this the sidetone level
has indeed increased but whenever I turn the KX3 off and back on, I have to
reset the monitor level each time. It defaults to a level setting of 10. Is
this normal? Can I change something in the menu or elsewhere to get the
monitor level to stay where I want it even if the radio is turned off? Any
help on this would be appreciated. Thanks!



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Re: [Elecraft] Info 080 message started with RF Alignment and Test, Part II

2012-10-27 Thread AC8HU
I can't really say for sure that every one of my soldering connections is
perfect, there may be one or a couple in there that are still flaky (which
is all it would take, obviously).  However as far as I can tell, I don't
have a consistent problem with soldering.  The connections are all shiny,
solder flows from the component lead out to the edges of the pads, not in
little balls (the few times I've had one of these happen I've taken care of
it when it happened).  I don't have an iron that I can specifically select a
temperature on but it's a 50 watt iron that is adjustable - I have it set
probably around 80-85% of full power.  I've found if I go higher I actually
tend to end up with discolored spots on boards at times - but I don't know
the exact temperature.  (I thought I vaguely remembered that a 50 watt iron
usually was 800 degrees?  Maybe not though.)

I've used two different types of solder in the process - the first was the
end of a spool from Radio Shack that was 60/38/2 silver bearing, and the
spool I'm on now is also Radio Shack but 60/40.

I still really lean towards the fact that the problem reappeared at the
exact same point, down to the precise button press (switching to 80 meters
while in CAL FCTr), suggesting that there's a problem with a component.  It
just seems that since the problem didn't appear randomly along the way but
at the same exact moment, it wouldn't just be a solder connection.  A poor
solder connection would be prone to going out at any moment and the odds of
it doing it the exact same time?



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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution

2012-10-27 Thread W5RDW
Could be that is what is happening. I know I usually turn on the Astron, the
K3 and the KPA500 (but leave the KPA500 in STBY (just out of habit). Usually
I am hunting DX, so after I hear a station I want to contact, I usually flip
on the KPA500 to OPER and then call, sometimes rather fast. 

Best I need to let things get comfortable  before I start to call!



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

> CMP=20 gives great audio quality and CMP=25 gives great contest
> audio. CMP=30 generates significant audio artifacts without any
> better intelligibility.

My threshold for "crap" is a little lower.  CMP=20 is fine, the
audio gets "rough" much above that and by CMP=25 it is badly
distorted (even with PWR=0 so it's not RF feedback).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 10/27/2012 12:43 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Include me in that sentiment.  I have several times monitored my audio
> while adjusting the compression.  CMP=20 gives great audio quality and
> CMP=25 gives great contest audio.   CMP=30 generates significant audio
> artifacts without any better intelligibility.   In my opinion, CMP above
> 30 merely adds trash to the bands.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/27/2012 2:37 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> Dick, WN3R wrote
>>> With compression above 30
>> Wow!  The max I ever use is 24.  Microphones may vary but CMP=30 seems
>> awfully high.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : possible solution

2012-10-27 Thread Jack Berry
My theory on the "Peculiar behavior" issue:
I have seen this problem several times before and finally decided it's an issue 
of interrupted "handshaking" between the K3 and KPA500. Seems that all 
communicating digital devices go through and introduction to confirm 
communication before they get down to business. 
My solution is to power on the K3, 
-wait till the banner has cleared and then hit the KPA500 front panel ON button.
-Wait till the "KPA500 On" banner has cleared and then switch from Standby to 
Operate.
 
When I have taken the few extra seconds to all the handshaking to complete, I 
don't recall ever seeing a failure of the KPA500 to deliver full power.

God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST
  


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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : no power output on Operate
  
Update

I just turned on the K3/KPA500/P3 as usual (KPA500 is OPER, not Standby) and
listened to the band for awhile. I heard a strong station calling on 12
meters SSB from Scotland and gave him a call and noticed only the K3 was
putting out power (probably 20 or so watts, the low drive I usually use to
drive the KPA500). He answered me and I then came back to him on the OVER,
but now, the K3/KPA500 was putting out 400-450 watts as normal
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Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Gregg,

There are filters in the PR6 that are tuned to 6 meters.  I suspect that 
on 10 meters it would act as an attenuator.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 12:20 PM, Gregg W6IZT wrote:
> Has anyone tried to use the PR6 on 10m to see if it offers any improvement
> in S/N ratio? I am away from my shack, so I am unable to test it.
>
>

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Re: [Elecraft] audio feed back

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Peter,

It is not feedback - it is the monitor setting.  If you are using 
headphones, you want a bit of the audio to be present in the headphones, 
but when using speakers, you will want to turn the monitor volume to zero.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/27/2012 10:23 AM, Peter Reinzuch wrote:
> I am getting audio feedback through my speaker when I transmit how do I
> eliminate this .  I don't want to use it as a public address system when
> transmitting.  I must have inadvertantly pushed this feature on?
> 73 Peter VE7REZ /w6
>

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Re: [Elecraft] [KPA500] Peculiar behavior : no power output on Operate

2012-10-27 Thread W5RDW
Update

I just turned on the K3/KPA500/P3 as usual (KPA500 is OPER, not Standby) and
listened to the band for awhile. I heard a strong station calling on 12
meters SSB from Scotland and gave him a call and noticed only the K3 was
putting out power (probably 20 or so watts, the low drive I usually use to
drive the KPA500). He answered me and I then came back to him on the OVER,
but now, the K3/KPA500 was putting out 400-450 watts as normal.

I now remember this has been the case a number of times before when I was
initially at a low power out condition (expecting a high power out condition
from the K3/KPA500) and then when I "goosed" it again, everything came up to
normal.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread Keith Heimbold
I operate my K3 with compression of 14 and mic gain at 34-38 depending on 
conditions and environment (contesting, DXing or ragchewing). With the Yamaha 
MDE-100 microphone I get good audio reports. Guess each microphone has slightly 
different settings for optimum Audio quality.

Keith 
AG6AZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Oct 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, "David Gilbert"  wrote:

> 
> Include me in that sentiment.  I have several times monitored my audio 
> while adjusting the compression.  CMP=20 gives great audio quality and 
> CMP=25 gives great contest audio.   CMP=30 generates significant audio 
> artifacts without any better intelligibility.   In my opinion, CMP above 
> 30 merely adds trash to the bands.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/27/2012 2:37 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> Dick, WN3R wrote
>>> With compression above 30
>> Wow!  The max I ever use is 24.  Microphones may vary but CMP=30 seems
>> awfully high.
>> 
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread David Gilbert

Include me in that sentiment.  I have several times monitored my audio 
while adjusting the compression.  CMP=20 gives great audio quality and 
CMP=25 gives great contest audio.   CMP=30 generates significant audio 
artifacts without any better intelligibility.   In my opinion, CMP above 
30 merely adds trash to the bands.

73,
Dave   AB7E



On 10/27/2012 2:37 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> Dick, WN3R wrote
>> With compression above 30
> Wow!  The max I ever use is 24.  Microphones may vary but CMP=30 seems
> awfully high.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

2012-10-27 Thread Gregg W6IZT
Has anyone tried to use the PR6 on 10m to see if it offers any improvement
in S/N ratio? I am away from my shack, so I am unable to test it.

73
Gregg

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nate Bargmann
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:44 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

* On 2012 27 Oct 04:34 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
 
> I did not own a single Elecraft item in March of this year, till I 
> bought a partial built K2/100 & KAT100 kit that was not working at 
> that stage (page
> 41) and had been sitting for 3 years. It had quite a few options and 
> the ones it didn't have I added till it was fully loaded. Ended up 
> sending it to Don and he found the problem. That is where it all 
> started at now have 11 Elecraft items and not finished.

Now *that's* a testimonial!

I appreciate your honest assessment between the various radios, Fred.

It's nice to know that should I ever have the need, that an additional
preamp for 10m will be available.  So far, the local noise floor is high
enough that even the 6m preamp isn't useful to me.

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread Fred Jensen
I don't do much SSB but when I do I get 10 dB peak compression with the 
CMP set at 12.  I use a Heil Proset with the electret mic I got from 
Elecraft.  I regularly get unsolicited comments of "really good audio." 
  My TX equalizer is set to the "K9YC recommendations."  I can't imagine 
what it would sound like at CMP=30, but I bet it wouldn't be good.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013
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On 10/27/2012 3:24 AM, Jim wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing. I never go above 15 CMP. Mic is set to
> 30 and I easily get 100 watts PEP.
>
> I would think a CMP set to 30 the receiving station could hear
> spiders crawling in your room.
>
> KE4WY Jim
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Oct 27, 2012, at 5:37 AM, Bill W4ZV 
> wrote:
>
>> Dick, WN3R wrote
>>> With compression above 30
>>
>> Wow!  The max I ever use is 24.  Microphones may vary but CMP=30
>> seems awfully high.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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Re: [Elecraft] audio feed back

2012-10-27 Thread Jack Berry
Peter, 
Check the MON volume. If it's up you'll hear it when transmitting. Just turn it 
down to zero.
 
  


 From: Peter Reinzuch 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] audio feed back
  
I am getting audio feedback through my speaker when I transmit how do I
eliminate this .  I don't want to use it as a public address system when
transmitting.  I must have inadvertantly pushed this feature on?
73 Peter VE7REZ /w6
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Re: [Elecraft] audio feed back

2012-10-27 Thread David G4DMP
Hello Peter - I don't have a KX3 as I am not a backpacker, but if it's
the K3 you are referring to, press in the knob to the lower, left of the
main tuning knob to enable the monitor control. Turn it down
accordingly.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Peter Reinzuch  writes
>I am getting audio feedback through my speaker when I transmit how do I
>eliminate this .  I don't want to use it as a public address system when
>transmitting.  I must have inadvertantly pushed this feature on?
>73 Peter VE7REZ /w6

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[Elecraft] audio feed back

2012-10-27 Thread Peter Reinzuch
I am getting audio feedback through my speaker when I transmit how do I
eliminate this .  I don't want to use it as a public address system when
transmitting.  I must have inadvertantly pushed this feature on?
73 Peter VE7REZ /w6
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Re: [Elecraft] AT-600 Pro Autotuner issue resolved

2012-10-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

> Note that there is still a high VSWR on the coax feed from the balun
> to the tuner, so this length should be as short as possible. Mine is
> ~ 10 feet now.

You may be able to accomplish the same thing by extending the "open
wire" line by a few feet and reducing the length of the coax.  Another
option would be to reduce the length of the antenna a few feet to get
away from the high impedance condition.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 10/27/2012 9:23 AM, Ron Midwin wrote:
> thanks to everyone who commented on my post.
>
> After reading everything sent to me, I reviewed my options. The reason I
> selected to use a 1:1 current balun instead of a 4:1 balun was based on an
> application note from the DX Engineering web site...
>
> http://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/chartsguides/c/choosing-the-correct-balun.pdf
>
> so after thinking over what I had, I tried adding a 3 foot length of coax
> to the lead from the balun to the station.
>
> now the tuner is capable of tuning to 1.5:1 max on all the bands, and on 40
> and 80 it also got better...
>
> Note that there is still a high VSWR on the coax feed from the balun to the
> tuner, so this length should be as short as possible.  Mine is ~ 10 feet
> now.
>
> 73
>
> AE6RH
>
> Ron Midwin
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Anomoly

2012-10-27 Thread Jack Berry
I have been chasing the poor BNC cable issue as well. I have been using the 
DeoxIT-D100L product that many suggested. I thought for a while that it was 
fixed but the problem has returned inspite of several applications and attempts 
to clean both male & female connectors.

God Bless & 73!Jack - WE5ST 


 From: Ian White GM3SEK 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Anomoly
  
N4OI - Ken wrote:
>> Appears to be bad BNC-BNC cable that was supplied with P3. Easy to
>> replace.
>
>Yes, I just assembled my P3 a few weeks ago and noticed that the BNC 
>cable ends had a very loose fit on both the P3 and K3 BNC connectors. 
>Although I did not experience a problem, I replaced it with a good 
>quality cable I had in a drawer.
>
Me too. On a fixed-tuned display, the P3 and P3SVGA waterfalls were 
displaying drifting bars of noise that moved with the VFOs, but could 
not actually be heard on either receiver of the K3 - in other words, 
they were internally generated spurious signals. When I replaced the 
supplied BNC cable with a disreputable-looking patch cable from the junk 
box, the problem disappeared.

On cutting away the plastic covers from the BNC crimp connectors, the 
metal sleeve on both connectors was found to be incorrectly crimped. The 
tool had been applied too far away from the connector body so that the 
crimp was squeezing mostly the soft cable, but failing to provide a 
solid 360deg clamping pressure onto the braid.

>
>My K3/P3 experience has been first-rate, but I suggest Elecraft should 
>take a look at their BNC cable supplier and consider upgrading for 
>future shipments.
>
Agreed.


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Re: [Elecraft] Info 080 message started with RF Alignment and Test, Part II

2012-10-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
You apparently have the new VFO encoder with the PC board that has a few 
components on it.  Not only the encoder board, but the Control Board 
leads in the area indicated must be flush cut (flush with the board).  
Your tape will provide a temporary fix, but I suggest you do a good job 
of flush cutting the leads (including ICs because the cut leads may 
eventually punch through the tape and cause problems later).

As for the Info 080 messages, refer to my prior responses especially the 
connectors and RF board R64 and Control Board R6.

The zero voltage at the left end of R30 is due to a problem in the VFO 
Range Select area (see the schematic for the relays and capacitors 
involved).

It seems that you are having soldering problems in general.  Turn your 
soldering temperature up to 750 degF and look critically at each solder 
connection.  The solder should flow out to an almost invisible edge on 
both the solder pad and the component lead and result in a concave 
solder fillet.  If your solder connections are convex (or look more like 
'balls'), then the connection did not receive enough heat.  Several 
builders have this problem because they remember the old days when 
soldering irons did not have temperature control and the result was 
lifted solder pads and heat damaged components.  That is not the case 
today with temperature controlled irons and components rated for up to 
10 seconds of soldering temperatures.  I suggest you re-flow the 
soldering on all the K2 boards that you have assembled - watch the 
solder as it flows, and if it does not fill the solder pad, add a small 
bit of solder.  In some cases, you may have to use solder wick to remove 
excess solder and then solder that connection anew.  Use a soldering 
temperature of 750 degF or higher.

After the re-soldering exercise, go through the alignment procedures again.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 10/27/2012 2:06 AM, AC8HU wrote:
> Well I thought I was going to be coming on to post what I'd found with the
> VFO problem...but now, the Info 080 is back.  As far as the VFO, I
> discovered that if I removed the two screws that connect the control board
> and front panel board (so that they're not drawn snug to each other), the
> VFO works.  It almost seems like the back of the optical encoder board is
> somehow shorting to the control board?  I don't know...I put a couple pieces
> of electrical tape on the back of the encoder board and gently connected the
> two together with the screws and the VFO was still working.
>
> At that point, I went back to the Part 1 tests and alignment, and started
> working through Part 1 and Part 2 again.  Everything was once again fine up
> until the exact same point - when I switched bands to the 80 meter band,
> before tuning to 4000.10, the Info 080 message popped up again.  I said
> several things I won't say here, then proceded to do the frequency counter
> check anyways just to see where I am.  I didn't actually make a note of the
> value but the frequency was somewhere around 10800, a range of 8 to 10 MHz
> is specified so this would be marginally acceptable (?) I guess.  Just out
> of curiousity, I went ahead and checked the voltage on the left end of R30
> (as described in the next step) and found it to be almost exactly 0.00 V -
> and adjusting the slug inductor made no difference.  Prior to the
> reappearance of the Info 080 message (but before the VFO working again), I
> had checked this value, and again didn't write down what the exact numbers
> were, but I had some sort of reading and was able to make adjustment over a
> wide range using the slug inductor.
>
> Finally, I tried restarting the radio (figuring I knew what would happen),
> and the Info 080 message appeared immediately at startup, and I noticed that
> relay activity is one again nonexistant.
>
> Now I'm rather discouraged.  I didn't check further but I wouldn't be
> surprised if I'm once again seeing the same problems with voltages on U1 and
> such.  Knowing the little bit I know about computer troubleshooting, it
> seems that I can narrow the problem down to something that's resulting from
> the switch from 40 meters to 80 meters while doing frequency counter
> checks...but I have no clue at all what that problem could be.  My best
> guess, since relay activity comes and goes with the Info 080 message, and
> these problems start when I change bands during these tests, is still some
> sort of problem with U1, as I've been over solder connections several times.
>
>
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[Elecraft] AT-600 Pro Autotuner issue resolved

2012-10-27 Thread Ron Midwin
thanks to everyone who commented on my post.

After reading everything sent to me, I reviewed my options. The reason I
selected to use a 1:1 current balun instead of a 4:1 balun was based on an
application note from the DX Engineering web site...

http://static.dxengineering.com/global/images/chartsguides/c/choosing-the-correct-balun.pdf

so after thinking over what I had, I tried adding a 3 foot length of coax
to the lead from the balun to the station.

now the tuner is capable of tuning to 1.5:1 max on all the bands, and on 40
and 80 it also got better...

Note that there is still a high VSWR on the coax feed from the balun to the
tuner, so this length should be as short as possible.  Mine is ~ 10 feet
now.

73

AE6RH

Ron Midwin
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2012 27 Oct 05:25 -0500, Jim wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing. I never go above 15 CMP. Mic is set to
> 30 and I easily get 100 watts PEP.

I agree and have my cmp set to 13 and mic to 30 and I get good audio
reports which I consider something of a miracle!

Last night I tuned across 15m for a bit and there were some signals with
very bad audio.  One was so poor that after a couple of minutes I still
didn't know what his call was.  He wasn't getting any answers which
should have been a clue.

A little is good.  More is not always better!

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

2012-10-27 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2012 27 Oct 04:34 -0500, Fred Smith wrote:
 
> I did not own a single Elecraft item in March of this year, till I bought a
> partial built K2/100 & KAT100 kit that was not working at that stage (page
> 41) and had been sitting for 3 years. It had quite a few options and the
> ones it didn't have I added till it was fully loaded. Ended up sending it to
> Don and he found the problem. That is where it all started at now have 11
> Elecraft items and not finished.

Now *that's* a testimonial!

I appreciate your honest assessment between the various radios, Fred.

It's nice to know that should I ever have the need, that an additional
preamp for 10m will be available.  So far, the local noise floor is
high enough that even the 6m preamp isn't useful to me.

73, de Nate, N0NB >>

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Re: [Elecraft] SWAP: ELECRAFT P3 Panadapter towards K2 or other small all band CW rig

2012-10-27 Thread N4OI - Ken
David Perrin wrote
> Hi- I have my Elecraft P3 for swap. [...] the P3 features are lost on me.
> 73 de Dave, K1OPQ

 Wow -- to each their own, but after just a few weeks of operating a K3/P3
combo, I don't think I could ever go back to "audio only."  To me, giving up
my P3 now would be like saying "no thanks" to grits with my breakfast!

73 ES GOD BLESS U ES URS DE KEN - N4OI 







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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread Jim
I was thinking the same thing. I never go above 15 CMP. Mic is set to 30 and I 
easily get 100 watts PEP.

I would think a CMP set to 30 the receiving station could hear spiders crawling 
in your room.

KE4WY Jim



Sent from my iPod

On Oct 27, 2012, at 5:37 AM, Bill W4ZV  wrote:

> Dick, WN3R wrote
>> With compression above 30
> 
> Wow!  The max I ever use is 24.  Microphones may vary but CMP=30 seems
> awfully high.  
> 
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Problem

2012-10-27 Thread Bill W4ZV
Dick, WN3R wrote
> With compression above 30

Wow!  The max I ever use is 24.  Microphones may vary but CMP=30 seems
awfully high.  

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

2012-10-27 Thread Fred Smith
Thanks to all of you who have came forward to my statement supporting the
need for the preamp for 10m. My only point was my FTDX-5000's receiver and
preamps were better than my K3's and did better on weak signal work on 10m. 

That said I was proud to have the 2 best radios on the market how can anyone
go wrong with that. Both are nice radios and each has features and are
superior in ways to the other. I wish I could combine both together a lot of
the time but.I have pretty much settled on my K3's not because they
were the top performing in every way but they fit my operating better at
this time and I really like the small package (most of the time).

I did not own a single Elecraft item in March of this year, till I bought a
partial built K2/100 & KAT100 kit that was not working at that stage (page
41) and had been sitting for 3 years. It had quite a few options and the
ones it didn't have I added till it was fully loaded. Ended up sending it to
Don and he found the problem. That is where it all started at now have 11
Elecraft items and not finished.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jan Erik Holm
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 11:41 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10

Same here, I have a 6/6 Yagi stack on 10 and get more or less
the same reaction.

A built in preamp for 6 and 10m would have been super. As
soon as I get some time I will make one.

/SM2EKM
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On 2012-10-26 18:02, Dave Hachadorian wrote:
> I have 6 elements on 10, and the K3 s-meter rests at S-0. When I
> turn the K3's preamp off, I can barely hear a change in antenna
> noise.
>
> Do you have a good choke at the Hex Beam feed point?  If not,
> maybe noise on the outside of your coax is going onto the
> antenna.
>
>
> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
> Yuma, Arizona
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dale Boresz
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:00 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-PR10
>
> Fred,
>
> You must have an enviably quiet QTH (or a very poor antenna) if
> you find
> that the K3 can benefit from a preamp on 10m. I work a lot of
> weak
> signal CW on 10m with a simple Hex Beam up about 45 feet. Even
> with the
> Hex Beam's low gain, I can see the noise floor drop by about 9
> dBm when
> I disconnect the antenna from the K3 with the antenna pointed to
> the
> quietest part of the sky in the early morning hours when the band
> is
> clearly not open. These measurements were taken using both the P3
> and
> the K3's built-in AFV amd dBV measurement functionality.
>
> Based upon the above measurements, the band noise is already one
> and a
> half S-Units above the receiver's noise floor, so it seems to me
> that in
> terms of improving the signal to noise ratio, a preamp would be
> of
> little value.
>
> What am I missing here? (perhaps a quieter location  ;-)   )
>
> 73, Dale
> WA8SRA
>
>
>
> On 10/26/2012 4:51 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> Tim
>>
>> I can address this a little comparing my FTDX-5000MP and my
>> K3's the k3's
>> receivers are not up to the level of the Yaesu 5000 on the high
>> bands. But
>> quite the other way around on the low bands in IMHO but 6/10m
>> really needs a
>> good preamp for sure.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
>
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