Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 f/w 1.28 now production released

2014-05-17 Thread John Marvin
Wow Matt, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. I've been off the air since 
last Saturday trying to diagnose my problem. I had problems last 
Saturday and people were saying my signal was breaking up.  I originally 
thought there was something wrong with my transceiver or settings. I 
carefully traced everything and monitored output from the transceiver 
and decided that although some settings could be improved (which I did) 
that wasn't the reason. I then thought that perhaps the issue was the 
1/2" of ice I had on the antenna that night, so after checking 
everything else I decided to go back on the air tonight. And sure enough 
my signal was breaking up again, even though it hadn't earlier during 
testing. This time I even though I was wearing headphones and with the 
background static I thought I heard a click from the amplifier. I was 
(still am!) on a net at the time (HHH Net), so I qsy'd down 4 Khz and 
did some testing, and I noticed the SWR kept going from 1.0 to much 
higher values, with the amp kicking out.


I then remembered reading your email. Went back and read it again and 
wondered if I was experiencing the same thing you were. Sure enough, 
moved back to 1.09 and the problem is gone.  Of course, there have been 
some fixes after 1.09 for other problems I've experienced, so hopefully 
Elecraft will get this one fixed soon.


Thanks again!

John

On 5/16/2014 10:06 PM, Matt VK2RQ wrote:

Elecraft is right on top of it; I'm also confident we'll have a solution fairly 
soon.

73,
Matt VK2RQ


On 17 May 2014, at 1:52 pm, Ron Cowherd  wrote:

Yes, I have also had similar problems with the KXPA100 (SN#0876)and have 
already composed and sent a letter to support.  The letter is much too detailed 
to reproduce here but I also suspected a firmware glitch.  My unit was working 
flawlessly until the upgrade.  I'm sure the problem will soon be solved.

73, Ron K4GYD

Sent from my iPad


On May 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Matt VK2RQ  wrote:

How are people finding this new firmware?

I've been having problems recently with my KXPA100, where it intermittently 
shows high SWR for a brief moment, and then either recovers or puts itself in 
bypass. At first I thought I had an issue with my antenna, but I discovered it 
was happening with a dummy load too. It mostly happens on SSB, but it happens 
to a lesser extent CW. It also happens with both my KX3 with integrated cable, 
and with my K2 using the keying line. I pulled the amp apart, looking for poor 
connections and dry joints, but no success there. By gently blowing across the 
mike, I was able to get it into the failure mode, and stay there. The SWR 
bridge in the amp was reading high. I had a crossneedle SWR meter between the 
radio and the amp, but as I blew progressively harder into the mike, the SWR on 
the meter was low. Then, once the power applied reached a certain level, the 
amp would come good again. This made me suspect whether the band auto-sensing 
may have been switching in a wrong LPF?

Then last night, I reflashed the amp with release firmware 1.28, but still had 
the problem. Then I downgraded the firmware on the amp from 1.28 to 1.09, which 
was the release my amp was shipped with. I haven't observed or been able to 
reproduce the problem since. This is now leading me to suspect a possible bug 
in the 1.28 firmware?

I'm wondering if anyone else may have observed any strange glitches with the 
1.28 firmware?

73, Matt VK2RQ


On 3 May 2014, at 2:14 am, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft  
wrote:

KXPA100 Production Firmware MCU 1.28 has been released to production status and 
is now shipping.

Important: This version of firmware has new features that require the very 
latest KXPA100 Utility.

We recommend all KXPA100 owners upgrade to the latest KXPA100 utility and to 
KXPA100 MCU 1.28.


Some of the Key Changes in this release:

- Better tolerates forward and reflected power overshoot for brief periods to 
support external antenna tuners. Use approximately 10-20 watts of KXPA100 
output when tuning.

- When the attenuator is acquired because of SWR or high reflected power, 
release attenuator immediately on next key up if SWR has been reduced to 3:1 or 
less.

- Update band voltage tables for ICOM 703 and Yaesu FT-817

- Reduce power required for ATU tune.

- Add per-band Antenna configuration (requires the new KXPA Utility for user 
interface)

- Improved RS232 handling for 3rd party applications. (Ham Radio Deluxe v6.2, 
PigKnob, etc.)


73,
Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KX3 running winmor

2014-05-17 Thread Matt Zilmer
Rick Muething reported his team would fix this problem "real soon now"
in Feb.

Someone decided that having the "USB Digital" button was a bad idea,
so they removed the option, or broke it.

The solution I use is a workaround.  Wait for the end of the first TX,
then change the mode to DATA A.  I used a macro for this.  The mode is
only set just prior to the first TX.

73,
matt W6NIA / NNN0UET

On Fri, 16 May 2014 22:41:48 -0700, you wrote:

>I'm running RMSExpress 1.2.27.0 / WINMOR 1.5.7.0 and I'm seeing the same
>problem.  It clicks the K3 over to USB mode instead of DATA mode.  USB
>Digital is selected in WINMOR setup too.
>
>The bug was reported back in Jan (I believe) and from what I can see it
>hasn't been fixed.
>
>Frank
>KG6EYC
>
>
>On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Joel Black  wrote:
>
>> Hmm... I don't seem to have this issue with my K3. I use RMSExpress and
>> WINMOR on both amateur bands and MARS frequencies.
>>
>> Make sure you're running the latest version of RMSExpress and WINMOR.
>> There was an issue with a version released since the beginning of the year
>> where the radio would go into USB mode instead of DATA A.
>>
>> 73,
>> Joel - W4JBB
>>
>>
>> On 5/16/14, 9:54 AM, K7JLTextra wrote:
>>
>>> I run Winmor on my K3 & KX3 and find it very frustrating that Winmor
>>> resets the mode back to SSB with each automatic frequency change. I need
>>> the mode to be set to DATA A so that the compression & Equalizers are
>>> disabled, ALC is optimized, and for the K3 the rear panel connectors are
>>> enabled. Are there other Winmor user that would like to see the WL2K
>>> development group make some changes to fix this problem?
>>>
>>> John Hendricks K7JLT
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[Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread Dennis L. Haarsager
I have a couple of questions for Elecraft and for our UK friends.

My wife and I make 3-4 trips per year to Scotland to visit family in the
Borders and a vacation home in Clackmannanshire.  So the new 4M module for
the KX3 is exciting *if* I'm able to operate MM/N7DH on that band.  Can
anyone tell me if the fact that we don't don't have 4M privileges in the
U.S. prohibit me from using the 70-MHz band in the U.K.?

Also...  I understand that the KX3 will accept only one of these at a time,
but will it be fairly easy to swap the 2M and 4M modules when I travel and
is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times a year?

73,
Dennis Haarsager, N7DH
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[Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Announcement

2014-05-17 Thread NAQCC
NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!

Our May Sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (May 21, EDT - 
8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which 
translates as Thursday May 22, 2014 0030-0230Z in all cases.

I will refer you to the proper URL:

http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201405.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important 
information.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, 
straight key and bug fans.  All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); 
but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints 
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the 
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran 
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help 
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE!  Sign up on the 
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, 
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!

72/73 de Dave VA3RJ
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Re: [Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread David Pratt
Yes, Dennis, you may indeed operate on the 70.0-70.5MHz band when 
operating in the UK under the terms and conditions of the CEPT Licence. 
For Full Licence holders the maximum PEP is 160 Watts (22 dBW) and for 
Intermediate Licence holders the maximum PEP is 50 Watts (17 dBW). The 
band is Secondary; Available on the basis of non-interference to other 
services inside or outside the UK.


Grab a copy of the CEPT Licence (T/R 61-01) from
http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/official/pdf/TR6101.pdf

The UK Licence Terms, conditions and limitations are at
http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/UKlicence.pdf

I cannot comment on swapping the KX3 transverters from 2m to 4m, but I 
recall reading somewhere that it will not be a 5 minute job.


I hope that helps.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Dennis L. Haarsager  writes

I have a couple of questions for Elecraft and for our UK friends.

My wife and I make 3-4 trips per year to Scotland to visit family in the
Borders and a vacation home in Clackmannanshire.  So the new 4M module for
the KX3 is exciting *if* I'm able to operate MM/N7DH on that band.  Can
anyone tell me if the fact that we don't don't have 4M privileges in the
U.S. prohibit me from using the 70-MHz band in the U.K.?

Also...  I understand that the KX3 will accept only one of these at a time,
but will it be fairly easy to swap the 2M and 4M modules when I travel and
is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times a year?

73,
Dennis Haarsager, N7DH


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[Elecraft] K2 #6951 "It's Alive!"

2014-05-17 Thread John Fritze
After several years of sitting in the cabinets of my shack, I decided to
put my wife's K2 together.  She decided that she is too busy with work,
studying for a masters in computer programming, and social obligations in
general that there just isn't enough time.  I think it is because at "xx"
years old it's hard for her to see the parts.  So, number 6951 is now
completed.  Although it is a 15W version, it does have the SSB, DSB, NB,
ATU, internal battery and IO board options.

It took about 2 1/2 weeks of off and on evenings and weekends to complete.
 It all works great which is a testament to the folks who wrote the
manuals.  Only one missing part (out of thousands): a RF choke for the I/O
board which even during Dayton, I received a confirmation from Elecraft
service will be shipped on Monday.  First test contact: Venezuela 10W to a
vertical on 20M SSB.

So we are now a 2 K2 family or is that K2-squared?  Oh, and a K3, P3,
KPA500, KAT500, KX3, KXPA100.got to love that purple Kool Aide.


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Re: [Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread Tighe Kuykendall
I believe Wayne responded that the connectors were not designed for 
repeated insertion/removal and could lead to failure.


Tighe
NK4I


On 5/17/2014 11:48 AM, David Pratt wrote:



Also...  I understand that the KX3 will accept only one of these at a
time,
but will it be fairly easy to swap the 2M and 4M modules when I travel
and
is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times a year?

73,
Dennis Haarsager, N7DH





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[Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread Edward R Cole
Wayne has already stated that the internal connection are not 
suitable for repeated disconnect/connect processing.
So that would say your idea is not a good one to consider.  if you 
wan the 4M module then install that but do not expect to be changing 
over to the 2M module anything like maybe once?


Looking at the small coax connectors I think they will deform fairly 
quickly from that.


Sorry,
Ed - KL7UW

From: "Dennis L. Haarsager" 
To: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
Subject: [Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

I have a couple of questions for Elecraft and for our UK friends.

My wife and I make 3-4 trips per year to Scotland to visit family in the
Borders and a vacation home in Clackmannanshire.  So the new 4M module for
the KX3 is exciting *if* I'm able to operate MM/N7DH on that band.  Can
anyone tell me if the fact that we don't don't have 4M privileges in the
U.S. prohibit me from using the 70-MHz band in the U.K.?

Also...  I understand that the KX3 will accept only one of these at a time,
but will it be fairly easy to swap the 2M and 4M modules when I travel and
is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times a year?

73,
Dennis Haarsager, N7DH


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 121, Issue 34

2014-05-17 Thread G7KXZ
Hi Dennis

My understanding is that it is your licence conditions that stand. Although if 
local conditions restrict then they take precedence

I.e. UK is 144 -146 MHz US is up to 148 MHz but I cannot.
Plus you may have KW limit but in the UK it's 400w

That's why a lot have dual licenses


Hope this helps
Kevin

G7KXZ mostly portable ;)

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> Message: 1
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> To: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> Subject: [Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules
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> I have a couple of questions for Elecraft and for our UK friends.
> 
> My wife and I make 3-4 trips per year to Scotland to visit family in the
> Borders and a vacation home in Clackmannanshire.  So the new 4M module for
> the KX3 is exciting *if* I'm able to operate MM/N7DH on that band.  Can
> anyone tell me if the fact that we don't don't have 4M privileges in the
> U.S. prohibit me from using the 70-MHz band in the U.K.?
> 
> Also...  I understand that the KX3 will accept only one of these at a time,
> but will it be fairly easy to swap the 2M and 4M modules when I travel and
> is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times a year?
> 
> 73,
> Dennis Haarsager, N7DH
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 11:48:11 -0400
> From: "NAQCC" 
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC Sprint Announcement
> Message-ID: <20140517154811.3e31140080...@sheppard.torfree.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> NAQCC Sprint Wednesday night!
> 
> Our May Sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (May 21, EDT - 
> 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which 
> translates as Thursday May 22, 2014 0030-0230Z in all cases.
> 
> I will refer you to the proper URL:
> 
> http://www.naqcc.info/sprint201405.html
> 
> There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other 
> important information.
> 
> This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, 
> straight key and bug fans.  All are welcome to participate (this includes 
> QRO); but you must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.
> 
> If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints 
> running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the 
> newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many 
> veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR 
> speed to help you make your contacts.
> 
> If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE!  Sign up on 
> the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome 
> certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life.
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 16:48:31 +0100
> From: David Pratt 
> To: "Dennis L. Haarsager" 
> Cc: "Elecraft@mailman.qth.net" 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules
> Message-ID: <6qreqvcpt4dtf...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed
> 
> Yes, Dennis, you may indeed operate on the 70.0-70.5MHz band when 
> operating in the UK under the terms and conditions of the CEPT Licence. 
> For Full Licence holders the maximum PEP is 160 Watts (22 dBW) and for 
> Intermediate Licence holders the maximum PEP is 50 Watts (17 dBW). The 
> band is Secondary; Available on the basis of non-interference to other 
> services inside or outside the UK.
> 
> Grab a copy of the CEPT Licence (T/R 61-01) from
> http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/official/pdf/TR6101.pdf
> 
> The UK Licence Terms, conditions and limitations are at
> http://www.g4dmp.co.uk/UKlicence.pdf
> 
> I cannot comment on swapping the KX3 transverters from 2m to 4m, but I 
> recall reading somewhere that it will not be a 5 minute job.
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
> 73 de David G4DMP
> 
> In a recent message, Dennis L. Haar

[Elecraft] KX3 and KAT500

2014-05-17 Thread Phil Hystad
I have been experimenting with my KAT500 and the KX3.  Although I do have a K3 
and KPA500 configured with the KAT500 using the switched arrangement described 
by the KE7X KX3 book, the K3 is powered off and the KPA500 is in standby mode 
during these experiments.

Although the KAT500 user manual says that to start a tune cycle, at least 10 
watts needs to be provided.  So, my KX3 is right on the border line and from my 
experience in this setup, it DOES NOT initiate a tune cycle in the KAT500.

Has anyone else been successful in initiating tune cycles for the KAT500 at 10 
watts from the KX3.  My method is to VFO to the desired frequency, make sure 
that the KAT500 is switched to the right antenna, and then key down for tuning. 
 Note: I do not make use of the KX3 built in tuner (I am assuming that I should 
not given I have a low SWR to the KAT500).


Also, given that my KAT500 is totally programmed across the bands for my two 
antennas, will the KX3 provide enough power (at 10 watts or under) to initiate 
the memory lookup for a tuned segment (I have programmed each 20 KHz segment on 
80 and higher frequency bands using my K3).  Is 5 watts supposed to be 
sufficient for locating the proper memory stored tuned LC parameters?  I have 
not found this to be so (but, here I am not positive of the starting conditions 
and may need to do this test over, it was getting late last night).

Thanks for any help you can be.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 and KAT500

2014-05-17 Thread ab2tc
Hi Phil,

I routinely use my KAT500 at the end of a 100' LMR400 cable run with my
IC7200 (my backyard and to go rig) using the TUNE button which has power
fixed at 10W. Actually the measured tune power is more like 8 or 9W. So it's
puzzling that your 10W from KX3 will not activate the tuner. Are you sure
the KX3 is producing anything close to 10W? If I am not mistaken, with
recent firmware changes, the KAT500 should tune all the way down to 5W. 

AB2TC - Knut


Phil Hystad-3 wrote
> I have been experimenting with my KAT500 and the KX3.  Although I do have
> a K3 and KPA500 configured with the KAT500 using the switched arrangement
> described by the KE7X KX3 book, the K3 is powered off and the KPA500 is in
> standby mode during these experiments.
> 
> Although the KAT500 user manual says that to start a tune cycle, at least
> 10 watts needs to be provided.  So, my KX3 is right on the border line and
> from my experience in this setup, it DOES NOT initiate a tune cycle in the
> KAT500.
> 
> Has anyone else been successful in initiating tune cycles for the KAT500
> at 10 watts from the KX3.  My method is to VFO to the desired frequency,
> make sure that the KAT500 is switched to the right antenna, and then key
> down for tuning.  Note: I do not make use of the KX3 built in tuner (I am
> assuming that I should not given I have a low SWR to the KAT500).
> 
> 
> Also, given that my KAT500 is totally programmed across the bands for my
> two antennas, will the KX3 provide enough power (at 10 watts or under) to
> initiate the memory lookup for a tuned segment (I have programmed each 20
> KHz segment on 80 and higher frequency bands using my K3).  Is 5 watts
> supposed to be sufficient for locating the proper memory stored tuned LC
> parameters?  I have not found this to be so (but, here I am not positive
> of the starting conditions and may need to do this test over, it was
> getting late last night).
> 
> Thanks for any help you can be.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 





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Re: [Elecraft] 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread Wayne Burdick

> is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times over a 
> year

Yes. The connectors are rated for only a very small number of insertion/removal 
cycles. 

73 
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[Elecraft] Summary post

2014-05-17 Thread r miles


Twice this week blank summary e mails. Got a normal one a few hr.s 
later. Anyone had this?


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[Elecraft] Fwd: 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread Dennis L. Haarsager
Thanks very  much, Wayne (also to the other replies).  I will stick to the
2M version.

73, Dennis
N7DH, MM/N7DH


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

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> > is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times over a
> > year
>
> Yes. The connectors are rated for only a very small number of
> insertion/removal cycles.
>
> 73
> Wayne
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[Elecraft] KXPA100 f/w 1.28 now production released

2014-05-17 Thread Bernie Wills

Hi Matt,

I've had the amp here for just over a week, and installed firmware 1.28 
after I finished assembly. I do not have the built-in ATU and am running 
the amp through a Kenwood AT-130 manual tuner. At this stage, I've only 
used the tuner 'straight through' because the antenna is resonant at the 
low end of 40m which is the only band I've used on-air.


I've been driving the amp with an Argonaut 539 set on 3 watts output, 
which yields about 80W from the amp. The only connection between the 539 
and the amp is a home-made keying line (coax). I've had one CW contact 
and one SSB contact with nothing odd observed. The SSB contact was last 
night for about 20 minutes which was to check if I had the radio and mic 
behaving, and the report to me was all good.


After assembly last week, I did extensive checking of amp output into a 
dummy load at various input power levels, up to 7 watts with the 
attenuator in and out of circuit. Again, nothing unusual.


Could it be an ATU-related problem?

Cheers,
Bernie. VK2WJ.

Message: 24
Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:06:56 +1000
From: Matt VK2RQ 
To: Ron Cowherd 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 f/w 1.28 now production released
Message-ID: <91202e0b-924f-4cf9-9938-086ced910...@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

Elecraft is right on top of it; I'm also confident we'll have a solution 
fairly soon.


73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 17 May 2014, at 1:52 pm, Ron Cowherd  wrote:
>
> Yes, I have also had similar problems with the KXPA100 (SN#0876)and 
have already composed and sent a letter to support.  The letter is much 
too detailed to reproduce here but I also suspected a firmware glitch.  
My unit was working flawlessly until the upgrade.  I'm sure the problem 
will soon be solved.

>
> 73, Ron K4GYD
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On May 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Matt VK2RQ  wrote:
>>
>> How are people finding this new firmware?

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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: 4M operation and 4M/2M modules

2014-05-17 Thread Oliver Dröse


You still have another option, Dennis: Buy a second KX3 so you got one 
for 2 and one for 4 m. ;-)


73, Olli

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Am 17.05.2014 22:17, schrieb Dennis L. Haarsager:

Thanks very  much, Wayne (also to the other replies).  I will stick to the
2M version.

73, Dennis
N7DH, MM/N7DH


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:


is it risky to other boards in the KX3 if I do this a few times over a
year

Yes. The connectors are rated for only a very small number of
insertion/removal cycles.

73
Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] 270 foot (ish) Doublet & K3 ATU

2014-05-17 Thread Wes (N7WS)
My apologies for confusing two different posters to this thread.  Partly a 
consequence of threading and me using two different computers and two different 
email clients.


I want to specifically address this:

Rick claims that when using a series connection of two different transmission 
lines, one coaxial, one window line, changing the length of one (coax) affects 
something or the other, while changing the length of the other portion (window 
line) has no effect whatsoever.


This is clearly impossible.  I suggested earlier that one possibility is 
common-mode current on the coax that is confusing the instrumentation.  Just 
because a choke is applied doesn't mean that it is actually effective.


Rick should not be faulted for assuming that the window line is "low loss" while 
the coax is not. I have been trying to debunk this myth since 1993 when, "The 
Lure of the Ladder Line" was published in QST.  At that time, I had lots of 
(snail mail!) correspondence with then Antenna Book editor, Dean Straw, about 
this.  I pointed out that the chart of line loss vs. frequency that had appeared 
in every ARRL Handbook and Antenna Book since antiquity was wrong (easily noted 
by inspection).  We collaborated on a revision of this chart and I was invited 
to write something about balanced line use.  See: 
http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf  published in the ARRL Antenna Compendium 
Vol 6.


I should mention that during this correspondence I pointed out that tuner and 
balun losses should not be ignored because they could be as detrimental as line 
loss. I had access to Touchstone, an early professional circuit analysis 
program, and gave examples of (IMHO) excessively high tuner losses that resulted 
from low Q components and the misadjustment of Tee type tuners. (Regrettably, I 
don't have copies of these letters any more.) After doing so, a QST favorite 
author, Frank Witt had a two-part article about tuner losses published in the 
April and May 1995, QST.  (I wasn't invited to write this one)  This month's 
"Hands-On Radio" column in QST brings up these losses again.


Straw wrote the program TLW, bundled with the ARRL Antenna Book, which (again) 
underestimated window line loss.  ARRL has just admitted this and offered a new 
version that allegedly fixes the problem.  (I don't know, I don't have a new 
enough version to qualify for the update, and I wouldn't use it anyway.  AC6LA's 
programs (ac6la.com) are superior and highly recommended.)


Sorry to ramble on this somewhat off-topic thread but I think this is worth 
mentioning.


Wes  N7WS

 On 5/15/2014 12:54 PM, Rick Bates, WA6NHC wrote:

[snip]

The coax portion of the feed should be as SHORT as possible, in my case it is 
currently about 10' (2.8 meters).  The losses are highest there and the extreme 
SWR makes it MUCH worse, keep it short; use the best stuff, not the cheap 
stuff.  Changing the length of the coax portion has a HUGE impact on where (or 
if) the system tunes; the window line, none.


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Re: [Elecraft] Summary post

2014-05-17 Thread Fred Jensen

On 5/17/2014 1:04 PM, r miles wrote:


Twice this week blank summary e mails. Got a normal one a few hr.s
later. Anyone had this?


Yes.  I believe it is caused by cybergastorintestinal distress.

73,

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Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 f/w 1.28 now production released

2014-05-17 Thread Matt VK2RQ
Yes, I believe this is mainly a problem for people with the KXAT100 ATU. If you 
don't have the ATU, then from what I've seen it will be unlikely to affect you.

73,
Matt VK2RQ

> On 18 May 2014, at 6:57 am, Bernie Wills  wrote:
> 
> Hi Matt,
> 
> I've had the amp here for just over a week, and installed firmware 1.28 after 
> I finished assembly. I do not have the built-in ATU and am running the amp 
> through a Kenwood AT-130 manual tuner. At this stage, I've only used the 
> tuner 'straight through' because the antenna is resonant at the low end of 
> 40m which is the only band I've used on-air.
> 
> I've been driving the amp with an Argonaut 539 set on 3 watts output, which 
> yields about 80W from the amp. The only connection between the 539 and the 
> amp is a home-made keying line (coax). I've had one CW contact and one SSB 
> contact with nothing odd observed. The SSB contact was last night for about 
> 20 minutes which was to check if I had the radio and mic behaving, and the 
> report to me was all good.
> 
> After assembly last week, I did extensive checking of amp output into a dummy 
> load at various input power levels, up to 7 watts with the attenuator in and 
> out of circuit. Again, nothing unusual.
> 
> Could it be an ATU-related problem?
> 
> Cheers,
> Bernie. VK2WJ.
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:06:56 +1000
> From: Matt VK2RQ 
> To: Ron Cowherd 
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 f/w 1.28 now production released
> Message-ID: <91202e0b-924f-4cf9-9938-086ced910...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
> 
> Elecraft is right on top of it; I'm also confident we'll have a solution 
> fairly soon.
> 
> 73,
> Matt VK2RQ
> 
> > On 17 May 2014, at 1:52 pm, Ron Cowherd  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I have also had similar problems with the KXPA100 (SN#0876)and have 
> > already composed and sent a letter to support.  The letter is much too 
> > detailed to reproduce here but I also suspected a firmware glitch.  My unit 
> > was working flawlessly until the upgrade.  I'm sure the problem will soon 
> > be solved.
> >
> > 73, Ron K4GYD
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On May 16, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Matt VK2RQ  wrote:
> >>
> >> How are people finding this new firmware?
> 
> [... remainder deleted by VK2WJ, a digest recipient...]
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Re: [Elecraft] 270 foot (ish) Doublet & K3 ATU

2014-05-17 Thread Rick Bates
For clarity:  every line has loss.  Every single line. 

What should have been better implied is that coax exhibits a significantly 
higher loss per foot than window line; while both have losses.  This is well 
proven over decades of use. 

High SWR affects the losses in a negative way (the losses increase).  Since 
coax already has a higher loss, it can be substantially higher with the same 
high SWR than window line. 

So, when a mixed feed system is used, it makes sense to minimize the losses 
through the coax to reduce the overall losses; keep the coax short. 

Side notes:  since coax is often more subject to bending than window/ladder 
line, the internal spacing between elements will vary, potentially increasing 
the risk of failure while handling high RF voltages.  On the flip side, precip 
or nearby objects (rain gutter) affect window/ladder line, sometimes 
dramatically.  Result: Use "the good stuff" and keep everything as isolated 
from unrelated objects as possible. 

As I've said many times; every station is a collection of compromises.  In 
making any choice, one reduces the potential options.  In my case, operational 
ability and efficiency were brought to an acceptable (to me) level through 
these choices and limitations. 

I started with 340' feet of wire, center fed (opposing 5/8 wave at 75 meters) 
and 70' of window line.  Changing to 100' of window line had no significant 
effect (it changed the tuner values but not where I could operate with an 
acceptable SWR).

Changing from 10' of coax from rig to the CMC (common mode choke, typically 
incorrectly called a current balun, used at the shack window) to ~35' has a 
significant change in tuning and band use ability.  It allows me to operate 
above 300W on the bottom end of 80 meters when 10' makes it dicey (tuner 
matches, but can't handle/maintain the match above 300 watts). 

So it isn't impossible, it's empirically determined. 

Changing the 1:1 CMC to a 4:1 CMC (same everything otherwise) added low power 
(<200 watts) 160 meter ability (2:1 or worse, tuned) and substantially lowered 
the unmatched (bypassed) SWR on all bands.  If what I read is accurate, the 4:1 
also has a slightly higher loss in efficiency than the 1:1.  It conveniently 
converts window line to coax (my preference in a shack) in this model.  

[I'm still planning on adding 12 meters more wire (17.5' each leg) to the 
antenna to lower the resonant frequency on 80 meters.  It should also help 
match on 160, but may cost me elsewhere.]

Ideally the KAT500 would be balanced feed capable with a CMC built in.  I have 
a couple capable balanced feed tuners, but they're manual only, not useful for 
remote ops (about a quarter of my radio time).

But then also ideally, I'd be wealthy, not live in an HOA and CCR infested 
development, not near an airport runway, in a ham tower friendly county with 
tall trees and salt water nearby. ;-)  choices:options

I do really need to get a good antenna analyzer, but for now my signal is heard 
and I hear with minimal noise, thanks in part to the CMC (the DX Eng. 10 KW 
model, which should be bullet proof for the KPA500 and high SWR).  The rest is 
all Elecraft, it really is "the good stuff".  ;-)

73,
Rick wa6nhc

Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable

> On May 17, 2014, at 2:29 PM, "Wes (N7WS)"  wrote:
> 
> Rick claims that when using a series connection of two different transmission 
> lines, one coaxial, one window line, changing the length of one (coax) 
> affects something or the other, while changing the length of the other 
> portion (window line) has no effect whatsoever.
> 
> This is clearly impossible.  I suggested earlier that one possibility is 
> common-mode current on the coax that is confusing the instrumentation.  Just 
> because a choke is applied doesn't mean that it is actually effective.
> 
> Rick should not be faulted for assuming that the window line is "low loss" 
> while the coax is not. I have been trying to debunk this myth since 1993 
> when, "The Lure of the Ladder Line" was published in QST.  At that time, I 
> had lots of (snail mail!) correspondence with then Antenna Book editor, Dean 
> Straw, about this.  I pointed out that the chart of line loss vs. frequency 
> that had appeared in every ARRL Handbook and Antenna Book since antiquity was 
> wrong (easily noted by inspection).  We collaborated on a revision of this 
> chart and I was invited to write something about balanced line use.  See: 
> http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Ladder_Line.pdf  published in the ARRL Antenna 
> Compendium Vol 6.
> 
> I should mention that during this correspondence I pointed out that tuner and 
> balun losses should not be ignored because they could be as detrimental as 
> line loss. I had access to Touchstone, an early professional circuit analysis 
> program, and gave examples of (IMHO) excessively high tuner losses that 
> resulted from low Q components and the misadjustment of Tee type tuners. 
> (Regrettably, I don't have co

Re: [Elecraft] 270 foot (ish) Doublet & K3 ATU

2014-05-17 Thread Fred Jensen

On 5/17/2014 2:29 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:

My apologies for confusing two different posters to this thread.  Partly
a consequence of threading and me using two different computers and two
different email clients.

I thought that's what having an email client thread emails was supposed 
to prevent.  Then again, I tried it in T-bird and quickly quit -- 
couldn't find anything again. :-))



Rick claims that when using a series connection of two different
transmission lines, one coaxial, one window line, changing the length of
one (coax) affects something or the other, while changing the length of
the other portion (window line) has no effect whatsoever.


I could certainly be wrong on this but I believe the post(s) were simply 
pointing out that increasing the length of the "balanced" line affects 
the losses much less than making it shorter with a correspondingly 
longer coax line.


400 or 600 ohm "ladder line" [open wire line with a minimum number of 
spreaders] *is* very low loss at HF even at high SWR, so long as the 
separation is a very small fraction of a wavelength.  That's what the 
coastal marine and HF point-to-point stations used in mid-20th century 
and KPH/KSM still do.  Plastic insulated "window line" is significantly 
more lossy than ladder line, but still less than coax at higher SWR's. 
Window line is also sensitive to weather conditions.  I have window line 
down the tower to a DXE 4:1 balun and coax to the shack.  KAT500 needs 
to retune between a rainy and dry day.


There was a day when we brought open wire line into the shack.  With 
today's equipment, I really don't recommend that. :-))


73,

Fred K6DGW
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[Elecraft] P3 as a portable RFI bandscope?

2014-05-17 Thread Jim Miller
I've pulled my P3 out of my setup to try and go searching for sources of
160/80m RFI.

I did a whole house shutdown today and made sure that anything which had a
battery was also shut down. That included the fire/burglar alarm system.
For the purposes of these two bands my house is "clean."

So now I need to do a walk around the area to see if I can locate the
sources.

I tried a little DC to daylight receiver with little success even with a
1ft diameter 2 turn loop for an antenna. The signals in question are too
narrow band and the receiver is too insensitive so the signals are buried
in noise.

I'm now trying to use the P3 in hopes that its signal processing and
averaging and ability to see a broader spectrum might be easier to use than
listening to a single frequency.

I tried the loop antenna directly into the P3 while powered on a battery
and it seems like I could use a bit of gain to get over the input noise of
the P3.

Have others tried this and if so what sort of preamp, antenna or other
setup was used?

Right now focused on 160 and 80m.

73

jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 as a portable RFI bandscope?

2014-05-17 Thread Jim Miller
I just realized I have an unused DXE RPA-1 which I could put in front of
the P3. Any thoughts on that?

jim ab3cv


On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Jim Miller  wrote:

> I've pulled my P3 out of my setup to try and go searching for sources of
> 160/80m RFI.
>
> I did a whole house shutdown today and made sure that anything which had a
> battery was also shut down. That included the fire/burglar alarm system.
> For the purposes of these two bands my house is "clean."
>
> So now I need to do a walk around the area to see if I can locate the
> sources.
>
> I tried a little DC to daylight receiver with little success even with a
> 1ft diameter 2 turn loop for an antenna. The signals in question are too
> narrow band and the receiver is too insensitive so the signals are buried
> in noise.
>
> I'm now trying to use the P3 in hopes that its signal processing and
> averaging and ability to see a broader spectrum might be easier to use than
> listening to a single frequency.
>
> I tried the loop antenna directly into the P3 while powered on a battery
> and it seems like I could use a bit of gain to get over the input noise of
> the P3.
>
> Have others tried this and if so what sort of preamp, antenna or other
> setup was used?
>
> Right now focused on 160 and 80m.
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 as a portable RFI bandscope?

2014-05-17 Thread Vic Rosenthal K2VCO
A reminder: Elecraft warned that the preamp in the P3 is sensitive to 
static discharges, so be very careful connecting/disconnecting the P3 to 
external antennas.


On 5/17/2014 4:47 PM, Jim Miller wrote:

I've pulled my P3 out of my setup to try and go searching for sources of
160/80m RFI.

I did a whole house shutdown today and made sure that anything which had a
battery was also shut down. That included the fire/burglar alarm system.
For the purposes of these two bands my house is "clean."

So now I need to do a walk around the area to see if I can locate the
sources.

I tried a little DC to daylight receiver with little success even with a
1ft diameter 2 turn loop for an antenna. The signals in question are too
narrow band and the receiver is too insensitive so the signals are buried
in noise.

I'm now trying to use the P3 in hopes that its signal processing and
averaging and ability to see a broader spectrum might be easier to use than
listening to a single frequency.

I tried the loop antenna directly into the P3 while powered on a battery
and it seems like I could use a bit of gain to get over the input noise of
the P3.

Have others tried this and if so what sort of preamp, antenna or other
setup was used?

Right now focused on 160 and 80m.

73

jim ab3cv



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 as a portable RFI bandscope?

2014-05-17 Thread d...@lightstream.net
Jim,

Per a previous recommendation from Elecraft, if you want to connect an
antenna directly to the input of your P3, you should put a pair of
paralleled diodes (in opposite polarity with respect to each other) across
the P3 input jack to protect the P3 from a static discharge.

I have used a small single-turn magnetic loop tuned to 40 meters to help
me isolate a noise source on 40m, and it worked very well. IMHO you really
need a proper magnetic loop which inherently has sharp and deep nulls to
be able to identify the direction from which the noise is coming. My 40
meter loop was 48" in diameter, and it worked fine without any additional
preamplification. However, for the same efficiency, an 80m loop would need
to be 8' in diameter which is a bit impractical to carry around. Although
I haven't tried it, I'm pretty sure that a 3' or 4' diameter loop tuned to
80m would still provide enough signal for the P3 and should exhibit very
sharp nulls to help you locate the noise source.

One other suggestion of an antenna that would be much smaller in size, yet
would still exhibit nulls is a small ferrite bar antenna similar to that
which is used in broadcast band (AM) radios. However, I have no experience
with that kind of receiving antenna.

Good luck w/ your noise sleuthing!

73, Dale
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> I just realized I have an unused DXE RPA-1 which I could put in front of
> the P3. Any thoughts on that?
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Jim Miller  wrote:
>
>> I've pulled my P3 out of my setup to try and go searching for sources of
>> 160/80m RFI.
>>
>> I did a whole house shutdown today and made sure that anything which had
>> a
>> battery was also shut down. That included the fire/burglar alarm system.
>> For the purposes of these two bands my house is "clean."
>>
>> So now I need to do a walk around the area to see if I can locate the
>> sources.
>>
>> I tried a little DC to daylight receiver with little success even with a
>> 1ft diameter 2 turn loop for an antenna. The signals in question are too
>> narrow band and the receiver is too insensitive so the signals are
>> buried
>> in noise.
>>
>> I'm now trying to use the P3 in hopes that its signal processing and
>> averaging and ability to see a broader spectrum might be easier to use
>> than
>> listening to a single frequency.
>>
>> I tried the loop antenna directly into the P3 while powered on a battery
>> and it seems like I could use a bit of gain to get over the input noise
>> of
>> the P3.
>>
>> Have others tried this and if so what sort of preamp, antenna or other
>> setup was used?
>>
>> Right now focused on 160 and 80m.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 as a portable RFI bandscope?

2014-05-17 Thread Sam Morgan

National RF makes a great portable unit that will work down to 1.8mhz

I have one of their units with the AA A B and C loops that cover 
3.8-5mhz  I see they now have a BB loop listed for 1.8-3.5mhz


Glad you brought this up I didn't know they had that new loop for 
1.8-3.5mhz I'm will give them a call Monday morning.


HFDF active directional antenna system
http://www.nationalrf.com/type_hfdf_vector.htm

they also have a unit for the shack called HFDX Vector-Beam
http://www.nationalrf.com/type_hfdx_vector-beam.htm

usual disclaimer, just a satisfied customer.
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Sam Morgan

On 5/17/2014 6:47 PM, Jim Miller wrote:

I've pulled my P3 out of my setup to try and go searching for sources of
160/80m RFI.

I did a whole house shutdown today and made sure that anything which had a
battery was also shut down. That included the fire/burglar alarm system.
For the purposes of these two bands my house is "clean."

So now I need to do a walk around the area to see if I can locate the
sources.

I tried a little DC to daylight receiver with little success even with a
1ft diameter 2 turn loop for an antenna. The signals in question are too
narrow band and the receiver is too insensitive so the signals are buried
in noise.

I'm now trying to use the P3 in hopes that its signal processing and
averaging and ability to see a broader spectrum might be easier to use than
listening to a single frequency.

I tried the loop antenna directly into the P3 while powered on a battery
and it seems like I could use a bit of gain to get over the input noise of
the P3.

Have others tried this and if so what sort of preamp, antenna or other
setup was used?

Right now focused on 160 and 80m.
73
jim ab3cv



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 supplemental heat sink offering/counterfeiting

2014-05-17 Thread fredem
Good Evening Class. There is an offering on ebay for a "Canadian made" heat
sink that supposedly fits on your KX3s. This offering features pictures that
I posted to the Yahoo Groups forum. This is not an offering for Cooler KX
but is a blatant counterfeit. You may email me directly to save bandwidth.
Thank-you for your loyalty. Fred.



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 supplemental heat sink offering/counterfeiting

2014-05-17 Thread fredem
Sorry for the space this takes.
I need to clear a few items up just so we are clear: I have never advertised
or pretended that Cooler KX is anything other than a very well made
replacement/supplemental heat sink for the KX3. The Cooler KX web page is
very clear that the heat sink is not necessary for every KX3 installation. I
make it quite clear under what circumstances it would be advantageous to
have a Cooler KX installed. 
I have never implied that Elecraft have given me their blessing, nor have I
ever advertised this as an Elecraft part- as the ebay ad implies. 
I have never suggested that I would not accept a return as the counterfeiter
feels need to do- I do not need to say such a thing as your satisfaction is
absolutely assured. My friends and customers can speak toward the product,
my service, my integrity, my interest in their satisfaction. 
The photos are of my personal radio- posted to the sellers ad without my
consent or permission.
Here is the most significant clue that this is not authentic- all of those
who asked and some even suggested that I do it- I said it then, and I say it
again now- The Cooler KX will never be offered on ebay or any other discount
online or bricks and mortar reseller by me. I only deal with real licensed
amateurs, worldwide. The transaction transpires directly between two hams. I
inspect and hand wrap each Cooler KX that leaves my kitchen counter. 
Y0o may check out what I say about the Cooler KX at: www.ve7fmn.ca 
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[Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

2014-05-17 Thread HREFAB
I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the
CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has
been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for
over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they
come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they
had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware).
Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry,
if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should
anyone else.



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Re: [Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

2014-05-17 Thread Phil Wheeler
Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not 
to me; I have excellent, small keyboards of both 
persuasions.


One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in 
should support HDMI instead of the relatively 
ancient SVGA.


Phil w7ox

On 5/17/14, 7:42 PM, HREFAB wrote:

I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the
CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has
been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for
over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they
come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they
had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware).
Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry,
if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should
anyone else.


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Re: [Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

2014-05-17 Thread Walter Underwood
And we're still using RS-232 instead of USB. And UHF connectors, which have 
been obsolete since the 1940's (when the N connector was developed). It is all 
kind of embarrassing.

wunder
K6WRU

On May 17, 2014, at 7:42 PM, HREFAB  wrote:

> I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the
> CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has
> been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for
> over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they
> come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
> Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they
> had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
> price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware).
> Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
> telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry,
> if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should
> anyone else.
> 
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

2014-05-17 Thread Richard Solomon

Hard Wired Keyboards and Mice are also passe.
Wireless is the only way to go, but that means you need more than just a
couple of USB ports on these radios.

73, Dick, W1KSZ


On 5/17/2014 8:19 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have 
excellent, small keyboards of both persuasions.


One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI 
instead of the relatively ancient SVGA.


Phil w7ox

On 5/17/14, 7:42 PM, HREFAB wrote:
I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly 
in the
CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The 
standard has
been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To 
ask for
over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but 
when they

come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if 
they

had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new 
firmware).

Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! 
Sorry,
if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither 
should

anyone else.


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Re: [Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

2014-05-17 Thread Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft
Folks,

Let's end this thread. This list is not the place to argue pro/con on issues 
like this, especially when they pertain to other manufacturer's products.

73,
Eric
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> On May 17, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have excellent, 
> small keyboards of both persuasions.
> 
> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead 
> of the relatively ancient SVGA.
> 
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[Elecraft] SSB net announcement

2014-05-17 Thread Phil Shepard
The weekly Elecraft SSB net meets tomorrow at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz.  I will be 
net control from western Oregon.  See you then.

73,
Phil, NS7P

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[Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! Wireless is the future!

2014-05-17 Thread Doug Person via Elecraft
Well then something pertaining to Elecraft gear.  I'm working on a 
BlueTooth/Android setup that does this same thing.  Plug a BlueTooth 
serial adapter into a K3/KX3 and get a terminal for PSK/RTTY and some 
rig control from your Android device.  Forget USB.  Even THAT is ancient 
history.   I'm sure others are working on it too.  Even a full network 
control application is possible over WiFi.  Just a matter of time.


Doug -- K0DXV

On 5/17/2014 9:28 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote:

Folks,

Let's end this thread. This list is not the place to argue pro/con on issues 
like this, especially when they pertain to other manufacturer's products.

73,
Eric
List Moderator
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On May 17, 2014, at 11:19 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have excellent, 
small keyboards of both persuasions.

One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead of 
the relatively ancient SVGA.


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Re: [Elecraft] It's the 21st Century Guys! PS2 is DEAD

2014-05-17 Thread Phil Hystad
> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead 
> of the relatively ancient SVGA.


Actually, I would prefer that if it supported HDMI.  I don't own any SVGA 
displays -- haven't owned one in over 11 years.  DVI and HDMI are the way to go 
these days.  I have not bought the P3 SVGA option for this very reason.  
Actually, there is another possibly more important reason -- I have no use for 
a larger display screen on my ham shack desk.  But, the lack of either DVI or 
HDMI output stops me anyway.

73, phil, K7PEH




On May 17, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Phil Wheeler  wrote:

> Good that you're so firm about it. It matters not to me; I have excellent, 
> small keyboards of both persuasions.
> 
> One might as well argue that the P3 SVGA add-in should support HDMI instead 
> of the relatively ancient SVGA.
> 
> Phil w7ox
> 
> On 5/17/14, 7:42 PM, HREFAB wrote:
>> I am continually astounded to see expensive electronics (particularly in the
>> CW arena) being offered with PS2 connections for keyboards. The standard has
>> been dead for about 100 years now, supplanted by USB technology. To ask for
>> over $300.00 for a decoder/logger/keyer is all fine and good ,but when they
>> come with outdated obsolete electronic connections, its simply a case of
>> Lazy or Cheap. I was told by a very well known manufacturer, that if they
>> had to put a USB port for the keyboard in, it would add too much to the
>> price (*while this item already had a USB port for uploading new firmware).
>> Yes, a USB port costs roughly $1.00 so in a $300.0+ dollar gadget you're
>> telling me that an extra buck is going to be a deal breaker? Come on! Sorry,
>> if it has a PS2 keyboard connection, I'm not buying it and neither should
>> anyone else.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 270 foot (ish) Doublet & K3 ATU

2014-05-17 Thread Wes (N7WS)


I said earlier:

"Rick claims that when using a series connection of two different transmission 
lines, one coaxial, one window line, changing the length of one (coax) affects 
something or the other, while changing the length of the other portion (window line) 
has no effect whatsoever.

This is clearly impossible. "

I stand by those remarks.  Your empirical evidence to the contrary is wrong.

Rick also said:

"Changing from 10' of coax from rig to the CMC (common mode choke, typically 
incorrectly called a current balun, used at the shack window) to ~35' has a significant 
change in tuning and band use ability.  It allows me to operate above 300W on the bottom 
end of 80 meters when 10' makes it dicey (tuner matches, but can't handle/maintain the 
match above 300 watts)."

Yet earlier in the thread he said:

"The coax portion of the feed should be as SHORT as possible, in my case it is 
currently about 10' (2.8 meters).  The losses are highest there and the extreme SWR makes 
it MUCH worse, keep it short; use the best stuff, not the cheap stuff.  Changing the 
length of the coax portion has a HUGE impact on where (or if) the system tunes; the 
window line, none."

So which is it, 10' or 35'?

With that, I'm done.

Wes  N7WS


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