Re: [Elecraft] 6kHz Filter Install in K3

2019-07-14 Thread Grant Youngman
From the manual … (K3S p 85 — same rules apply to K3)

"Rule #2: You can install any filter in any slot, and can leave any slot empty 
in anticipation of installing a crystal filter there later. However, you should 
install the widest filter closest to FL1, the next widest to its left, etc. “

So yes, you should move the filters.


Grant NQ5T
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> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Mike March  wrote:
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> I am installing a 6kHz filter in a K3.
> The current filters are in positions FL1, FL2 and FL3.
> Do I need to move the other filters so the 6kHz is in the FL1 position?
> Thanks in advance.
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[Elecraft] 6kHz Filter Install in K3

2019-07-14 Thread Mike March
I am installing a 6kHz filter in a K3.
The current filters are in positions FL1, FL2 and FL3.
Do I need to move the other filters so the 6kHz is in the FL1 position?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Andy Durbin
"It then sets the fan for full speed operation to bleed off the 60 V power and 
waits for the power button to be released."

I don't think fan is set to high speed to bleed down the 60 V supply.  I think 
it is set to low speed but may revert to high speed when the firmware shuts 
down with 60 V is still present.

Try this simple test - With KPA500 powered and On, use menu to set minimum fan 
speed 6.  Then shut down with the front panel On button.  Fan immediately 
reduces to speed 1 and holds speed 1 until it slows down as the  60 V supply 
bleeds down.

The firmware could detect that 60 V has not decayed below min monitor threshold 
and issue a fault.   That fault code could perhaps alert the operator to turn 
off the rear panel power switch and seek  assistance.  Better to be alerted at 
shutdown time than find the fans still running the next day.

There is a potential safety issue with a stuck 60 V enable relay.  The 
interlock switch is in the relay coil coil circuit and offers no protection if 
the relay is stuck on.

On the other hand - how often does the 60 V enable relay fail 

73,
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Sunday July 14, 2019

2019-07-14 Thread Jim White NC0JW
With our regular net control Eric WB9JNZ on vacation Steve WM6P stepped up to 
the plate as acting net control and hit it out of the park.  Great job Steve 
and thanks for taking the the net!

With propagation giving us extreme QSB and surprising short skip on 20 meters 
we recorded 22 check ins.

Propagation remains challenging and our relay stations continue to make a huge 
contribution.  Special thanks to all the relay stations noted below.

WM6PSteve   GA  K3S 11453   Net control
K8NUCarlOH  K3S 10996   Remote 
check in via AC7AV
KB9AVO  PaulIN  K3S 11103
N6JWJohnCA  K3  936 Relay 
station
WA5DSS  BillTX  K2/100  6743
W7QHD   KurtAZ  K2/100  1539
K9YEQ   BillWI  K3S 11140
KD0NBF  Chris   KS  Yaesu FT857D
K6VWE   StanMI  K3  650
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826
W1DFB   Don AZ  K3  2937
W4DML   DougTN  K3  6433
K7BRR   BillAZ  K3S 10939
KS6FGuy CA  K3S 10650
K7JGJohnWA  KX3 3519
K3DCC   Jim NM  Flex 5000A
WA0BEU  Keith   CO  KX2 0440using Buddipole
W9PCS   PaulWI  K3S 10752
K8TCS   Tad MI  KX3
N4NRW   Roger   SC  Yaesu FTDX-5000 w/ KPA500 Relay Station
WA0AJF  Ron IA  K3  5389
NC0JW   Jim CO  KX3 1356Relay 
station

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With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around 
the continental USA to assist with check ins.  As conditions permit we take 
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off next Sunday.  It is always interesting to see what challenges the 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
Dinner on Andy?

Your analysis is spot on. When the KPA is requested to shut down it does some 
housekeeping, saving various things and putting the amp into a safe condition, 
including setting the 60V to off. It then sets the fan for full speed operation 
to bleed off the 60V power and waits for the power button to be released. It 
finally resets into the boot loader. It does not monitor the 60V voltage at 
that point. It is an interesting observation that perhaps it should, but the 
question is then what to do about it. The only thing really is to throw a 
fault, which puts that amp into a safe mode, but we are already there.

As usual, Andy, you provide great things to think about. I’m not sure there is 
anything to do about this one, except find out why Jerry’s 60V power is stuck 
on.

73 and thanks!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> 
> "the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had 
> been turned off all night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the 
> fan stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut 
> the amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to 
> normal."
> 
> Yes, as Jack suggested, a stuck 60 V enable relay in the PSU fits the 
> symptoms.
> 
> That leads to a question though - what does the firmware do if commanded to 
> shutdown but 60 V never bleeds down?   I'm guessing it eventually times out 
> or else the fans should have stayed at low speed trying to bleed down the 60 
> v supply.   I also assuming that, when the firmware shuts down, the fan speed 
> control lines default to high speed setting.
> 
> When the KPA500 is next powered, but still off, the stuck 60 v enable 
> provides power to the fan and the defaulted control lines make it run at high 
> speed.  Once the firmware starts running it detects low PA temperature and 
> sets all fan control lines to off.
> 
> Interesting puzzle.  Was there a prize?
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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[Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Andy Durbin
"the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had been 
turned off all night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan 
stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the 
amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal."

Yes, as Jack suggested, a stuck 60 V enable relay in the PSU fits the symptoms.

That leads to a question though - what does the firmware do if commanded to 
shutdown but 60 V never bleeds down?   I'm guessing it eventually times out or 
else the fans should have stayed at low speed trying to bleed down the 60 v 
supply.   I also assuming that, when the firmware shuts down, the fan speed 
control lines default to high speed setting.

When the KPA500 is next powered, but still off, the stuck 60 v enable provides 
power to the fan and the defaulted control lines make it run at high speed.  
Once the firmware starts running it detects low PA temperature and sets all fan 
control lines to off.

Interesting puzzle.  Was there a prize?

73,
Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Kevin, N4TT
Cool. I saw "turned off all night" and it surprised me the fan was left
running full speed the whole night.

I'm interested in the outcome.

Kev

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 3:13 PM David Bunte  wrote:

> Kevin -
>
> As I read Jerry's post, I believe his fan was running even after the amp
> had been shut off all night long... and the only way to get it to stop
> running at full speed was to either turn the amp on... or turn off the
> power switch on the rear. He also stated that the menu setting was set to
> NOR, so I think Jack is on the right track to check with support.
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:57 PM Kevin, N4TT  wrote:
>
>> Jerry:
>>
>> Maybe clarify. I think Jack's concern is that your fan was running even
>> with the power off.  That's not the case, right? The fan just came back on
>> full when you turned the power back on?
>>
>> Try Menu, scroll down to FAN CTL and make sure that say NOR. If it has a
>> number instead, you somehow accidentally set the fan on at that speed.
>> Just
>> use the down arrows to get back to NOR. This is all done on the front
>> panel
>> of the KPA500. Hope it helps.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev N4TT
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
>> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor
>> > charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear
>> the
>> > fan run for normally a short time.
>> > Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the
>> > morning. They need to look into this one.
>> >
>> > 73!
>> > Jack, W6FB
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan
>> was
>> > still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off
>> all
>> > night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops
>> running
>> > is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off
>> by
>> > using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any
>> > ideas?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread David Bunte
Kevin -

As I read Jerry's post, I believe his fan was running even after the amp
had been shut off all night long... and the only way to get it to stop
running at full speed was to either turn the amp on... or turn off the
power switch on the rear. He also stated that the menu setting was set to
NOR, so I think Jack is on the right track to check with support.

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:57 PM Kevin, N4TT  wrote:

> Jerry:
>
> Maybe clarify. I think Jack's concern is that your fan was running even
> with the power off.  That's not the case, right? The fan just came back on
> full when you turned the power back on?
>
> Try Menu, scroll down to FAN CTL and make sure that say NOR. If it has a
> number instead, you somehow accidentally set the fan on at that speed. Just
> use the down arrows to get back to NOR. This is all done on the front panel
> of the KPA500. Hope it helps.
>
> 73,
> Kev N4TT
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor
> > charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear the
> > fan run for normally a short time.
> > Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the
> > morning. They need to look into this one.
> >
> > 73!
> > Jack, W6FB
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry  wrote:
> > >
> > > After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan
> was
> > still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all
> > night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running
> > is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by
> > using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any
> > ideas?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
The KPA runs a check on the memory contents when it starts up. If something has 
changed that should not, then it will ask for a fresh firmware load. Since 
Jerry is not seeing this, then I don’t believe there is a firmware issue. 

I _am_ concerned about the issue, which is why I suggest calling tech support 
when they open tomorrow. This has the feel of a stuck relay on the power supply 
board, but I am sure my friends in Watsonville will have a better idea as to 
what might be happening.

73!
Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Bill Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Try reloading your saved firmware. Could be an internal error which can 
> happen.  Reloading firmware, preferably one you have saved will correct the 
> error.
> 
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
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> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
> 
> After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was 
> still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all 
> night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running is 
> if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using 
> the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any ideas?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Kevin, N4TT
Jerry:

Maybe clarify. I think Jack's concern is that your fan was running even
with the power off.  That's not the case, right? The fan just came back on
full when you turned the power back on?

Try Menu, scroll down to FAN CTL and make sure that say NOR. If it has a
number instead, you somehow accidentally set the fan on at that speed. Just
use the down arrows to get back to NOR. This is all done on the front panel
of the KPA500. Hope it helps.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor
> charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear the
> fan run for normally a short time.
> Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the
> morning. They need to look into this one.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry  wrote:
> >
> > After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was
> still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all
> night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running
> is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by
> using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any
> ideas?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Jack Brindle via Elecraft
That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor charge 
through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear the fan run for 
normally a short time. 
Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the 
morning. They need to look into this one.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry  wrote:
> 
> After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was 
> still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all 
> night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running is 
> if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using 
> the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any ideas?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread Bill Johnson
Try reloading your saved firmware. Could be an internal error which can happen. 
 Reloading firmware, preferably one you have saved will correct the error.

72 & 73,
Bill
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Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was still 
running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all night by 
using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running is if I turn 
the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using the rear 
on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any ideas?

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[Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

2019-07-14 Thread jerry
After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was 
still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off 
all night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops 
running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the 
amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to 
normal. Any ideas?


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2019-07-14 Thread kevinr

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[Elecraft] Any problems with this 6m setup with KPA500?

2019-07-14 Thread Steve Kavanagh via Elecraft
A few of us are planning an multi-operator operation for next weekend's CQ WW 
VHF contest, cobbling together equipment from different places.  I am wondering 
if there are any potential issues (most likely with switching timing) with the 
following potential setup for six metres:

Radio: K2 (QRP+KXV60, with ground-on-transmit T/R keying output), 8R hold ON, 
with some reasonable release time for semi-break-in CW) 

Transverter: homebrew, 10 watts out max., relay switched, but the relay is 
faster than the K2, so no sequencer needed normally

Intermediate amplifier: an ancient Lunar 6M10-120P, which is an RF-sensed only 
(no T/R input available) 100-watt class amp, with K2 drive set to give around 
30 watts output.  Up to this point the setup has been tested and works fine.

Final amplifier: KPA500

I'd plan on adding a second T/R output from the K2 somehow, so the transverter 
and KPA500 can be keyed at the same time.

Modes of operation: CW, SSB, FT8, FT4?, MSK144.

I haven't quite got my head around what would happen on non-CW modes where the 
release delay for the T/R output is zero.  In this case the transverter and 
KPA500 will switch from transmit to receive before the intermediate amplifier 
does (using its own internal delay timing).  Is that likely to cause any 
issues?  Any other timing problems you can think of?  Do I need a sequencer?

Would the KPA500 survive 100 watts input if, for some reason, the drive level 
is set too high by mistake?  My understanding is that it should initially 
switch in an attenuator and then hard-fault (switch to straight-through 
operation).  Correct?

73,
Steve VE3SMA
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Re: [Elecraft] No output on CW with K3

2019-07-14 Thread K9ZTV
He means VOX.

K9ZTV

> On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> Make sure BOX is ON on all bands. 
> 
> Make sure not in TEST mode on bands with no CW out. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 4:09 AM, VY1JA  wrote:
>> 
>> The YCCCN Remote OPs group (VY1AAA) uses the K3S at this site (VY1JA) and
>> reported the same problem but only on Six meters.  The K3s is working
>> perfectly on all other bands.
>> It has been confirmed that the CONFIG does not redirect TX output  and tests
>> on TUNE show good output on 6 and low antenna SWR there.  As soon as this
>> unit is switched to CW  on 6 and keyed, there is no output.
>> 
>> Next troubleshooting steps for getting this GG for the RemoteOps?
>> TNX,
>> J., VY1JA
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] No output on CW with K3

2019-07-14 Thread Nr4c
Make sure BOX is ON on all bands. 

Make sure not in TEST mode on bands with no CW out. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 4:09 AM, VY1JA  wrote:
> 
> The YCCCN Remote OPs group (VY1AAA) uses the K3S at this site (VY1JA) and
> reported the same problem but only on Six meters.  The K3s is working
> perfectly on all other bands.
> It has been confirmed that the CONFIG does not redirect TX output  and tests
> on TUNE show good output on 6 and low antenna SWR there.  As soon as this
> unit is switched to CW  on 6 and keyed, there is no output.
> 
> Next troubleshooting steps for getting this GG for the RemoteOps?
> TNX,
> J., VY1JA
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] No output on CW with K3

2019-07-14 Thread VY1JA
The YCCCN Remote OPs group (VY1AAA) uses the K3S at this site (VY1JA) and
reported the same problem but only on Six meters.  The K3s is working
perfectly on all other bands.
It has been confirmed that the CONFIG does not redirect TX output  and tests
on TUNE show good output on 6 and low antenna SWR there.  As soon as this
unit is switched to CW  on 6 and keyed, there is no output.

Next troubleshooting steps for getting this GG for the RemoteOps?
TNX,
J., VY1JA



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