Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
This is what happens when people only report these things to the mailing list instead of calling or emailing Elecraft support directly. On 3/19/2014 3:41 PM, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote: Actually, we were totally unaware of the issue of powering off the K3 during a tune causing problems. We are trying to reproduce it on our K3s here so we can address it asap. -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Actually, we were totally unaware of the issue of powering off the K3 during a tune causing problems. We are trying to reproduce it on our K3s here so we can address it asap. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: > >> On 3/14/2014 5:33 AM, AD6XY wrote: >> Power cuts happen, for whatever reason and we can't have them >> bricking the radio, whatever it happens to be doing at the time. I am sure >> Elecraft have been working on it, probably late into the night. > > And THAT's the real problem. The K3 has been around long enough, and had this > problem since day one, that it's pretty obvious Elecraft isn't interested in > fixing it... > > 73, Ross N4RP > > -- > FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum > transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elist_c...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
I suppose they could install a two-button push for power, as on the KX3, but that would bring other complaints, I reckon -- since some KX3 users don't like that approach -- or so I've read here. 73, Phil w7ox On 3/19/14, 11:12 AM, Ross Primrose wrote: On 3/14/2014 5:33 AM, AD6XY wrote: Power cuts happen, for whatever reason and we can't have them bricking the radio, whatever it happens to be doing at the time. I am sure Elecraft have been working on it, probably late into the night. And THAT's the real problem. The K3 has been around long enough, and had this problem since day one, that it's pretty obvious Elecraft isn't interested in fixing it... 73, Ross N4RP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
On 3/14/2014 5:33 AM, AD6XY wrote: Power cuts happen, for whatever reason and we can't have them bricking the radio, whatever it happens to be doing at the time. I am sure Elecraft have been working on it, probably late into the night. And THAT's the real problem. The K3 has been around long enough, and had this problem since day one, that it's pretty obvious Elecraft isn't interested in fixing it... 73, Ross N4RP -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
I tend to agree Eric. I have not commented yet. We need to understand what happened with the original message in this thread and more importantly how to prevent it. Power cuts happen, for whatever reason and we can't have them bricking the radio, whatever it happens to be doing at the time. I am sure Elecraft have been working on it, probably late into the night. For the record, I like my K3, it has excellent design and is one of the best transceivers available to date. Much of this is due to firmware which has no doubt grown to be a very complex system, with all that entails. I like powerpoles, they work well and mine don't fall out. They easily handle 30A. Crimps are best avoided unless done professionally so I always solder them. They have revolutionised my station's configuration providing quick reliable foolproof 12V interconnects. Mike G0MJW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Button-of-no-return-tp7585411p7585490.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Folks, let's wind this thread and related ones tonight with just a few more posts in the interest of limiting email overload for others. Also, please remember to keep all discussions and disagreements cordial and polite on the list. Eric List Moderator elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 5S > On Mar 13, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote: > > Also, have had no problems and I install on all of the equipment I have. I > had more than my fair share of Molex issues. I prefer the Power pole and do > not solder... I think that stresses the connections. No Flames Please. > > Bill > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Harris > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:52 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return > > Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. > > Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units > around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged > the cable and connectors to match the equipment. > > Each to his own I guess. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > >> On 13/03/2014 09:51, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: >> Well, I'll don my asbestos suit and dump on the power poles. >> >> They're too flimsy, over-rated, over priced, non-re-useable, >> non-standard ( red on the right or it is?? You cannot plug in any of >> the Molex or later connectors such that the polarity is reversed and >> you don't need a $40 crimper to install them.) >> >> I use power poles ONLY when they can't be avoided. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Also, have had no problems and I install on all of the equipment I have. I had more than my fair share of Molex issues. I prefer the Power pole and do not solder... I think that stresses the connections. No Flames Please. Bill -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Harris Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 8:52 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/03/2014 09:51, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Well, I'll don my asbestos suit and dump on the power poles. > > They're too flimsy, over-rated, over priced, non-re-useable, > non-standard ( red on the right or it is?? You cannot plug in any of > the Molex or later connectors such that the polarity is reversed and > you don't need a $40 crimper to install them.) > > I use power poles ONLY when they can't be avoided. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
I think that I would be rather miffed, if in the middle of a contest or worse an expensive DXpedition the power went off (PowerPole or not) and I found the K3 software settings corrupted. Most early computers monitored the power rails and shut down gracefully. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 09:22:16 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Agree re firmware fix if possible. Accidental > button pushes do happen. > > I guess the two-button approach on the KX3 > precludes this particular disaster :-) > > 73, Phil w7ox > > On 3/13/14, 1:28 AM, Stewart wrote: >> If this is the case, then surely it is something that can be easily >> addressed in >> the F/W. >> >> i.e. if the TUNE function (or any other critical function) is taking place, >> ignore presses of the Power button. >> >> Of course, this may not help if the PowerPole connector falls out ! >> >> 73 >> Stewart G3RXQ >> >> On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:53:31 -0700, Dick Frey wrote: >>> I was on 160m in the Tune mode on my K3. I accidently hit the Power >>> button to exit. The display went blank. Now nothing works. Removing >>> power and restart with >>> Power button gets the blank screen. >>> >>> Turning it on with the Shift/LO knob depressed brings up the meter and >>> bandwidth legends and EE INIT but mutiple pressing of the DISP button >>> have no effect. >>> >>> I tried reloading MCU but the K3 utility cannot connect to the K3 - >>> just keeps trying different speeds. >>> >>> Help! >>> >>> Dick, K4xu >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
On 3/13/2014 11:15 AM, Richard Solomon wrote: You can get an ultra-flexible 10 ga wire that audio folks use for speaker connections (I got a 200' roll off the "evil empire"). Much better than the standard stranded wire. 73, Dick, W1KSZ Why bother? The difference in resistance between #12 and #10 is less than 0.5 Ohm per 1000 feet. For a typical six foot power cord that's takes the resistance in the wire from 0.01 Ohm (1/100 th of an Ohm) down to about 0.006 (6 milli-Ohms). The problem isn't in the resistance of the wire - the resistance in the silly PowerPoles is 10 times the resistance on the wire *if the Power Poles are assembled correctly*. High current Molex connectors are marginally better, particularly if multiple pins are connected in parallel. It's high time that transceiver manufacturers start using high voltage final transistors to reduce both the current and IMD as well as go back to nice heavy 1/4" bolts (studs) for the high current connections. PowerPole and Molex connectors may be nice if one is playing with QRP current levels but they just don't cut it at 10 to 25 amps. The high current, "hot plug" power supplies use multiple contacts to keep the resistance (and heat, losses) in connectors down. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/13/2014 8:05 AM, Mike Harris wrote: I use a somewhat larger diameter than supplied cable to my K3 with a four inch or so piece of the supplied cable with the PP's in line crimped to it using vehicle cabling crimps. Provides flexibility at the K3 without adding any significant extra IR loss. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/03/2014 11:21, Roger D Johnson wrote: I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my station. The problem is that my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter conductors. Brushing up against these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, this can result in the K3 going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well documented, procedure to get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Page 63 of the manual. if you have anything on the ACC connector it must be removed for this to work. On 3/13/2014 11:15 AM, bwru...@gmail.com wrote: Can you tell me where to find the "procedure" just in case? 73 De Brian W3BW Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. "Leap and the net will appear." On Mar 13, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my station. The problem is that my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter conductors. Brushing up against these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, this can result in the K3 going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well documented, procedure to get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Agree re firmware fix if possible. Accidental button pushes do happen. I guess the two-button approach on the KX3 precludes this particular disaster :-) 73, Phil w7ox On 3/13/14, 1:28 AM, Stewart wrote: If this is the case, then surely it is something that can be easily addressed in the F/W. i.e. if the TUNE function (or any other critical function) is taking place, ignore presses of the Power button. Of course, this may not help if the PowerPole connector falls out ! 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:53:31 -0700, Dick Frey wrote: I was on 160m in the Tune mode on my K3. I accidently hit the Power button to exit. The display went blank. Now nothing works. Removing power and restart with Power button gets the blank screen. Turning it on with the Shift/LO knob depressed brings up the meter and bandwidth legends and EE INIT but mutiple pressing of the DISP button have no effect. I tried reloading MCU but the K3 utility cannot connect to the K3 - just keeps trying different speeds. Help! Dick, K4xu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Have YOU used one of these on a K3? I don't see any way to do it without cutting away some of the rear panel. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 12:14 PM, tom armour wrote: I am surprised no-one mentioned this. You can buy retention clips if you have issues with disconnects: Anderson part # 110G68 They cost about 50 cents. Can we drop this subject now? it has been re-hashed many times. 73 - Tom - wa4ta Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:05:49 -0300 From: mike.har...@horizon.co.fk To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return I use a somewhat larger diameter than supplied cable to my K3 with a four inch or so piece of the supplied cable with the PP's in line crimped to it using vehicle cabling crimps. Provides flexibility at the K3 without adding any significant extra IR loss. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/03/2014 11:21, Roger D Johnson wrote: I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my station. The problem is that my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter conductors. Brushing up against these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, this can result in the K3 going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well documented, procedure to get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
I am surprised no-one mentioned this. You can buy retention clips if you have issues with disconnects: Anderson part # 110G68 They cost about 50 cents. Can we drop this subject now? it has been re-hashed many times. 73 - Tom - wa4ta > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:05:49 -0300 > From: mike.har...@horizon.co.fk > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return > > I use a somewhat larger diameter than supplied cable to my K3 with a > four inch or so piece of the supplied cable with the PP's in line > crimped to it using vehicle cabling crimps. Provides flexibility at the > K3 without adding any significant extra IR loss. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 13/03/2014 11:21, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my > > station. The problem is that > > my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter > > conductors. Brushing up against > > these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, > > this can result in the K3 > > going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well > > documented, procedure to > > get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. > > > > 73, Roger > > > > > > On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: > >> Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. > >> > >> Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging > >> units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind > >> so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. > >> > >> Each to his own I guess. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Mike VP8NO > >> > >> > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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A blast from the past, look at GR Binding Posts. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 3/13/2014 4:47 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: Careful, Bill. You're about to be flamed by the Power Pole Police! You know, those that insist that insist that it takes 2700 lbs of force to disconnect PPs or that you, in your stupidity, have assembled the connectors improperly! I've had them come apart several times when futzing around the back of my desk sending my K3 into never-never land! 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 7:08 AM, Bill W2BLC wrote: Yes - the dreaded Power Pole plug fall out! I have had them fall out with only the slightest of movement (factory installed). Temporary solution is to cable tie the red/black lines to the antenna cables - thus supporting them and preventing movement. The final fix will be the removal of the Power Pole system completely, later this spring. Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
You can get an ultra-flexible 10 ga wire that audio folks use for speaker connections (I got a 200' roll off the "evil empire"). Much better than the standard stranded wire. 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 3/13/2014 8:05 AM, Mike Harris wrote: I use a somewhat larger diameter than supplied cable to my K3 with a four inch or so piece of the supplied cable with the PP's in line crimped to it using vehicle cabling crimps. Provides flexibility at the K3 without adding any significant extra IR loss. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/03/2014 11:21, Roger D Johnson wrote: I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my station. The problem is that my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter conductors. Brushing up against these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, this can result in the K3 going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well documented, procedure to get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
I use a somewhat larger diameter than supplied cable to my K3 with a four inch or so piece of the supplied cable with the PP's in line crimped to it using vehicle cabling crimps. Provides flexibility at the K3 without adding any significant extra IR loss. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/03/2014 11:21, Roger D Johnson wrote: I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my station. The problem is that my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter conductors. Brushing up against these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, this can result in the K3 going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well documented, procedure to get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
I do not dislike Power Poles and use them for many cords around my station. The problem is that my K3 is fed from the power supply using large (stiff) diameter conductors. Brushing up against these can cause them to disconnect from the K3. If the K3 is powered up, this can result in the K3 going off to never-never land which requires a special, and not well documented, procedure to get it running again. I think the K3 needs a better connector here. 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 9:52 AM, Mike Harris wrote: Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Not a flame just a simple power pole observation. Never had a problem, never fallen out (K2, K3, XV50) even when tugging units around, soldered not crimped, no $40. crimper, not colour blind so arranged the cable and connectors to match the equipment. Each to his own I guess. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 13/03/2014 09:51, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Well, I'll don my asbestos suit and dump on the power poles. They're too flimsy, over-rated, over priced, non-re-useable, non-standard ( red on the right or it is?? You cannot plug in any of the Molex or later connectors such that the polarity is reversed and you don't need a $40 crimper to install them.) I use power poles ONLY when they can't be avoided. 73, Charlie k3ICH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Well, I'll don my asbestos suit and dump on the power poles. They're too flimsy, over-rated, over priced, non-re-useable, non-standard ( red on the right or it is?? You cannot plug in any of the Molex or later connectors such that the polarity is reversed and you don't need a $40 crimper to install them.) I use power poles ONLY when they can't be avoided. 73, Charlie k3ICH - Original Message - From: "Roger D Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return Careful, Bill. You're about to be flamed by the Power Pole Police! You know, those that insist that insist that it takes 2700 lbs of force to disconnect PPs or that you, in your stupidity, have assembled the connectors improperly! I've had them come apart several times when futzing around the back of my desk sending my K3 into never-never land! 73, Roger __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I'm one of those that considers the PowerPole connector on my K3 to be a PITA.Is there something afoot to replace it? I've considered ways to replace it but haven't come up with anything that seems reasonable yet. 73 Jack KZ5A On 3/13/2014 6:08 AM, Bill W2BLC wrote: Yes - the dreaded Power Pole plug fall out! I have had them fall out with only the slightest of movement (factory installed). Temporary solution is to cable tie the red/black lines to the antenna cables - thus supporting them and preventing movement. The final fix will be the removal of the Power Pole system completely, later this spring. Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html . __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Careful, Bill. You're about to be flamed by the Power Pole Police! You know, those that insist that insist that it takes 2700 lbs of force to disconnect PPs or that you, in your stupidity, have assembled the connectors improperly! I've had them come apart several times when futzing around the back of my desk sending my K3 into never-never land! 73, Roger On 3/13/2014 7:08 AM, Bill W2BLC wrote: Yes - the dreaded Power Pole plug fall out! I have had them fall out with only the slightest of movement (factory installed). Temporary solution is to cable tie the red/black lines to the antenna cables - thus supporting them and preventing movement. The final fix will be the removal of the Power Pole system completely, later this spring. Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Hi Stewart, There may be a firmware solution to prevent this problem but I don't think it advisable to ever ignore the power button. The Power Button is like an Emergency Stop button. It needs to be 100% reliable. 73, Mike K2MK Stewart@twinwood wrote > If this is the case, then surely it is something that can be easily > addressed in > the F/W. > > i.e. if the TUNE function (or any other critical function) is taking > place, > ignore presses of the Power button. > > Of course, this may not help if the PowerPole connector falls out ! > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Button-of-no-return-tp7585411p7585419.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Yes - the dreaded Power Pole plug fall out! I have had them fall out with only the slightest of movement (factory installed). Temporary solution is to cable tie the red/black lines to the antenna cables - thus supporting them and preventing movement. The final fix will be the removal of the Power Pole system completely, later this spring. Bill W2BLC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
If this is the case, then surely it is something that can be easily addressed in the F/W. i.e. if the TUNE function (or any other critical function) is taking place, ignore presses of the Power button. Of course, this may not help if the PowerPole connector falls out ! 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:53:31 -0700, Dick Frey wrote: > I was on 160m in the Tune mode on my K3. I accidently hit the Power > button to exit. The display went blank. Now nothing works. Removing > power and restart with > Power button gets the blank screen. > > Turning it on with the Shift/LO knob depressed brings up the meter and > bandwidth legends and EE INIT but mutiple pressing of the DISP button > have no effect. > > I tried reloading MCU but the K3 utility cannot connect to the K3 - > just keeps trying different speeds. > > Help! > > Dick, K4xu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Rule 1: NEVER use the POWER button to escape from the TUNE function. It can cause your MCU to crash and lose its mind. Rule 2: When reloading your MCU, make sure the 15pin ACC plug is disconnected or the MCU will not initialize. Rule 3: If you have your K3 all set up the way you like it, run the K3 Utility and Save your Configuration to a file so you don't have to start from scratch when you break Rule 1. Thanks to W3FPR, VK1ZZ and especially K6KR who hit on the acc plug. -- 73, Dick - K4XU with egg on face __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Button of no return
I was on 160m in the Tune mode on my K3. I accidently hit the Power button to exit. The display went blank. Now nothing works. Removing power and restart with Power button gets the blank screen. Turning it on with the Shift/LO knob depressed brings up the meter and bandwidth legends and EE INIT but mutiple pressing of the DISP button have no effect. I tried reloading MCU but the K3 utility cannot connect to the K3 - just keeps trying different speeds. Help! Dick, K4xu -- Dick - K4XU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Button of no return
Dick, Which transceiver? 73, Don W3FPR On 3/12/2014 11:14 PM, Dick Frey wrote: I was in the Tune mode. I accidently hit the Power button to exit. The display went blank. Now nothing works. Removing power and restart with Power button gets the blank screen. Help! Dick, K4xu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Button of no return
I was in the Tune mode. I accidently hit the Power button to exit. The display went blank. Now nothing works. Removing power and restart with Power button gets the blank screen. Help! Dick, K4xu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
