Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Jessie, Any chance I could get an autographed 8x10 glossy of you doing that maneuver? ;o) 73, Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Jessie Oberreuter [mailto:joberreu-elecr...@moselle.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:07 PM To: Walter Underwood Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB Preparing for a performance in a large out-door stadium, my voice coach at the time echoed me with a slight delay so I wouldn't freak out when it happened on stage! For hearing what I really sound like in real-time, I get a good approximation by putting my palms near my mouth and pulling the tops of my ears down with my fingers :). Best, of course, is singing into a mike and playing myself back until I get the sound I want. On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Walter Underwood wrote: Singers sometimes practice singing right into a corner so they can hear themselves more accurately. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
I’m an organist. Years ago I played an instrument with a substantial separation from the pipes to the console in a very reverberant space — so much so that you had to just “play the notes” and hope for the best. If you tried to listen to the delayed sounds of the pipes and play at the same time, you’re head would explode. My head is exploding just thinking about it :) Grant NQ5T On Apr 22, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Terry Schieler w...@swbell.net wrote: Jessie, Any chance I could get an autographed 8x10 glossy of you doing that maneuver? ;o) 73, Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From: Jessie Oberreuter [mailto:joberreu-elecr...@moselle.com] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:07 PM To: Walter Underwood Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB Preparing for a performance in a large out-door stadium, my voice coach at the time echoed me with a slight delay so I wouldn't freak out when it happened on stage! For hearing what I really sound like in real-time, I get a good approximation by putting my palms near my mouth and pulling the tops of my ears down with my fingers :). Best, of course, is singing into a mike and playing myself back until I get the sound I want. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Intentional slight delay = Elecraft got it right again! Lane On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:10 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: That's always worked for me, and I can't sing. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 4/20/2014 5:54 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: An all this time I thought it was the shower. Chas __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lanenav...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
On 4/21/2014 12:10 PM, lane zeitler via Elecraft wrote: Intentional slight delay = Elecraft got it right again! Not quite. There MUST be some small delay if the signal goes through DSP. In this case, A/D conversion (mic to digital), DSP processing, D/A conversion (digital to analog to feed the headphones or speaker). 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Preparing for a performance in a large out-door stadium, my voice coach at the time echoed me with a slight delay so I wouldn't freak out when it happened on stage! For hearing what I really sound like in real-time, I get a good approximation by putting my palms near my mouth and pulling the tops of my ears down with my fingers :). Best, of course, is singing into a mike and playing myself back until I get the sound I want. On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, Walter Underwood wrote: Singers sometimes practice singing right into a corner so they can hear themselves more accurately. On Apr 20, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: Yes, long delayed echoes can make it difficult to talk or to play music. In live sound reinforcement, delays are produced by DSP, and also by the time it takes sound to get from speakers over a stage down to the audience. Delays more than about 35 msec will start causing fatigue or discomfort, and I've heard very professional announcers slow down and stop talking with delays in the 80-100 msec range. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
On 4/21/2014 2:06 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote: For hearing what I really sound like in real-time, I get a good approximation by putting my palms near my mouth and pulling the tops of my ears down with my fingers :). My voice coach trained me to just put the palms of my hands over my ears and go with bone conduction.. Was she giving me a hint that my voice needed work? :) -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Don, I did not consider the inherent delay of the all digital time to process. Thinking back on my gold standard of ssb monitor circuits, the TS-830S has zero delay due to it being all analog. My TS-850 is similar, although much more modern than the 830 the ssb monitor is still all analog circuitry. It would make sense in all digital rig such as the KX3 minus of course the rf circuits but still heavily based on digital technology that there would be an unavoidable delay in the speech we emit into the mic vs what we hear back in the monitor circuit. Thanks for the tip. Lane On Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:00 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Lane, That back of the cave sound can be one of two things. One is that there is monitor audio reaching your microphone due to either using the speaker or audio leakage from your headphones, The second is that it is simply your perception. There is a very slight delay between your voice and the output of the monitor. If your ears are sensitive enough to pick up that delay, it will sound like an echo in your head. In other words there may be no problem. I suspect that is the case whether no 1 or no 2 is the cause. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/19/2014 9:10 PM, lane zeitler via Elecraft wrote: When I use the ssb monitor is sounds like I am at the back of a cavestill going via the settings. I may try the KX3 book by KE7X to see if that helps. Lane __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
It is actually better to hear yourself with a slight delay. When you talk, you are not hearing yourself as others hear you due to something called 'bone conduction'. You can actually hear yourself through the mastoid bone. Have you ever listened to a recording of yourself and thought, That's not how I sound! That's because of bone conduction coloring your hearing of your own voice. However, hearing yourself with a slight delay gives you a better idea of what you really sound like -- how others hear you. As long as the delay doesn't make you stutter -- what my wife, a speech pathologist, calls 'proprioceptive feedback'-- this delay is useful. This is why I've always felt that the slight delay in the TX monitor is a good thing. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
So you guys are talking about the KX3 monitor, right? I can't hear any delay in the K3 monitor, and I am VERY sensitive to that. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -Original Message- From: Al Lorona Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 4:07 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB It is actually better to hear yourself with a slight delay. When you talk, you are not hearing yourself as others hear you due to something called 'bone conduction'. You can actually hear yourself through the mastoid bone. Have you ever listened to a recording of yourself and thought, That's not how I sound! That's because of bone conduction coloring your hearing of your own voice. However, hearing yourself with a slight delay gives you a better idea of what you really sound like -- how others hear you. As long as the delay doesn't make you stutter -- what my wife, a speech pathologist, calls 'proprioceptive feedback'-- this delay is useful. This is why I've always felt that the slight delay in the TX monitor is a good thing. Al W6LX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.d...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
for the K3's monitor setup CONFIG/TX MON tap [DISP] read the text that crosses vfo b's screen FASt = no delay nor = delayed On 4/20/2014 6:16 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: So you guys are talking about the KX3 monitor, right? I can't hear any delay in the K3 monitor, and I am VERY sensitive to that. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
On 4/20/2014 4:16 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: I can't hear any delay in the K3 monitor, and I am VERY sensitive to that. I have the capability to measure it, but I have not done so. If it's going through any DSP, there will be some, probably a few msec. I would not expect it to be a problem. The difference between what we hear through bone conduction and the actual sound of our voice is mostly the difference in frequency response between the two paths. We can get a better approximation of how we sound to others by talking straight into a hard wall at a very close distance. Now, our ears hear our voice bouncing off that wall with very little loss. There's a phenomenon called precedence effect that was first documented by Joseph Henry around 1850 (the guy whose name is on the unit of inductance in recognition of his inventions involving magnetics much earlier). Precedence effect describes the characteristic of human hearing that if we hear the same sound from more than one direction, we will hear it as a single sound, coming from the direction from which it arrives FIRST even though a later arrival is louder. There's a limit -- a loudness difference of more than 10 dB will break precedence. Yes, long delayed echoes can make it difficult to talk or to play music. In live sound reinforcement, delays are produced by DSP, and also by the time it takes sound to get from speakers over a stage down to the audience. Delays more than about 35 msec will start causing fatigue or discomfort, and I've heard very professional announcers slow down and stop talking with delays in the 80-100 msec range. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Singers sometimes practice singing right into a corner so they can hear themselves more accurately. wunder On Apr 20, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 4/20/2014 4:16 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: I can't hear any delay in the K3 monitor, and I am VERY sensitive to that. I have the capability to measure it, but I have not done so. If it's going through any DSP, there will be some, probably a few msec. I would not expect it to be a problem. The difference between what we hear through bone conduction and the actual sound of our voice is mostly the difference in frequency response between the two paths. We can get a better approximation of how we sound to others by talking straight into a hard wall at a very close distance. Now, our ears hear our voice bouncing off that wall with very little loss. There's a phenomenon called precedence effect that was first documented by Joseph Henry around 1850 (the guy whose name is on the unit of inductance in recognition of his inventions involving magnetics much earlier). Precedence effect describes the characteristic of human hearing that if we hear the same sound from more than one direction, we will hear it as a single sound, coming from the direction from which it arrives FIRST even though a later arrival is louder. There's a limit -- a loudness difference of more than 10 dB will break precedence. Yes, long delayed echoes can make it difficult to talk or to play music. In live sound reinforcement, delays are produced by DSP, and also by the time it takes sound to get from speakers over a stage down to the audience. Delays more than about 35 msec will start causing fatigue or discomfort, and I've heard very professional announcers slow down and stop talking with delays in the 80-100 msec range. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
An all this time I thought it was the shower. Chas - Original Message - From: Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB Singers sometimes practice singing right into a corner so they can hear themselves more accurately. wunder On Apr 20, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com wrote: On 4/20/2014 4:16 PM, Dave Hachadorian wrote: I can't hear any delay in the K3 monitor, and I am VERY sensitive to that. I have the capability to measure it, but I have not done so. If it's going through any DSP, there will be some, probably a few msec. I would not expect it to be a problem. The difference between what we hear through bone conduction and the actual sound of our voice is mostly the difference in frequency response between the two paths. We can get a better approximation of how we sound to others by talking straight into a hard wall at a very close distance. Now, our ears hear our voice bouncing off that wall with very little loss. There's a phenomenon called precedence effect that was first documented by Joseph Henry around 1850 (the guy whose name is on the unit of inductance in recognition of his inventions involving magnetics much earlier). Precedence effect describes the characteristic of human hearing that if we hear the same sound from more than one direction, we will hear it as a single sound, coming from the direction from which it arrives FIRST even though a later arrival is louder. There's a limit -- a loudness difference of more than 10 dB will break precedence. Yes, long delayed echoes can make it difficult to talk or to play music. In live sound reinforcement, delays are produced by DSP, and also by the time it takes sound to get from speakers over a stage down to the audience. Delays more than about 35 msec will start causing fatigue or discomfort, and I've heard very professional announcers slow down and stop talking with delays in the 80-100 msec range. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
That's always worked for me, and I can't sing. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 4/20/2014 5:54 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: An all this time I thought it was the shower. Chas __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Hi, New K3 owner here... I have looked in the KE7X book, and can not find the answer to two questions... 1. When in transmit using SSB, I am getting some sort of audio feedback only when I have the monitor level turned up. The louder I turn up Monitor, the more feedback I get. 2. I have somehow turned off the NR for SSB mode only... When I press the 8 key, (NR), I get N/A if in SSB mode. If in CW, it works fine... If this is in the KE7X book, I must have missed them... If it is, just let me know what section it is in and I can find it. Using this radio is somewhat of a humbling experience... I have not felt this new to a radio in decades... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Make sure that you are using headphones ONLY (the speaker + phones menu entry must be off)! On 4/19/2014 8:59 AM, David Cole wrote: Hi, New K3 owner here... I have looked in the KE7X book, and can not find the answer to two questions... 1. When in transmit using SSB, I am getting some sort of audio feedback only when I have the monitor level turned up. The louder I turn up Monitor, the more feedback I get. 2. I have somehow turned off the NR for SSB mode only... When I press the 8 key, (NR), I get N/A if in SSB mode. If in CW, it works fine... If this is in the KE7X book, I must have missed them... If it is, just let me know what section it is in and I can find it. Using this radio is somewhat of a humbling experience... I have not felt this new to a radio in decades... -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Some headsets also have enough audio leakage to cause problems. It's generally better to use monitor to check things, and then turn it off. Grant NQ5T Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com wrote: Make sure that you are using headphones ONLY (the speaker + phones menu entry must be off)! On 4/19/2014 8:59 AM, David Cole wrote: Hi, New K3 owner here... I have looked in the KE7X book, and can not find the answer to two questions... 1. When in transmit using SSB, I am getting some sort of audio feedback only when I have the monitor level turned up. The louder I turn up Monitor, the more feedback I get. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Many, if not most, headsets found in the typical hamshack have significant audio leakage around the ear cups, and if they’re open back it’s even worse. If you’re wearing headphones with the speaker turned off, you can get still get audio feedback while MON is turned on, and of course, it gets worse the more you have the monitor level turned up. Best thing — use MON to check your signal and rather than leave it on to listen to your own fine glorious vocal tones, turn it OFF. Grant NQ5T On Apr 19, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO k2vco@gmail.com wrote: Make sure that you are using headphones ONLY (the speaker + phones menu entry must be off)! On 4/19/2014 8:59 AM, David Cole wrote: Hi, New K3 owner here... I have looked in the KE7X book, and can not find the answer to two questions... 1. When in transmit using SSB, I am getting some sort of audio feedback only when I have the monitor level turned up. The louder I turn up Monitor, the more feedback I get. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Hi Gary, I think you are right about MON level being too high... I will test this later today... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 15:55 -0500, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: Many, if not most, headsets found in the typical hamshack have significant audio leakage around the ear cups, and if they’re open back it’s even worse. If you’re wearing headphones with the speaker turned off, you can get still get audio feedback while MON is turned on, and of course, it gets worse the more you have the monitor level turned up. Best thing — use MON to check your signal and rather than leave it on to listen to your own fine glorious vocal tones, turn it OFF. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
When I use the ssb monitor is sounds like I am at the back of a cavestill going via the settings. I may try the KX3 book by KE7X to see if that helps. Lane On Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:38 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: Hi Gary, I think you are right about MON level being too high... I will test this later today... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 15:55 -0500, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: Many, if not most, headsets found in the typical hamshack have significant audio leakage around the ear cups, and if they’re open back it’s even worse. If you’re wearing headphones with the speaker turned off, you can get still get audio feedback while MON is turned on, and of course, it gets worse the more you have the monitor level turned up. Best thing — use MON to check your signal and rather than leave it on to listen to your own fine glorious vocal tones, turn it OFF. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lanenav...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
When I use the ssb monitor is sounds like I am at the back of a cave A few things to check: 1. CONFIG:TX MON = FAST 2. Make sure your speaker is turned off. 3. If you have a computer sound card in the audio path, disconnect or disable K3 Line Out audio going to the sound card, so it doesn't loop audio back to the K3 audio input. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
On Apr 19, 2014, at 8:10 PM, lane zeitler via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: When I use the ssb monitor is sounds like I am at the back of a cavestill going via the settings. I may try the KX3 book by KE7X to see if that helps. Lane Did you mean K3? The standard monitor setting has noticeable DSP processing delay, and that’s probably what you’re hearing. There is a “fast” monitor setting (you’ll have to RTFM, I don’t recall sitting in front of the TV exactly in the Menus the setting is made) that will speed up the processing and eliminate the “echo” effect. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Hi, Interesting radio no? I have the K3 Book, and it is very helpful. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 18:10 -0700, lane zeitler wrote: When I use the ssb monitor is sounds like I am at the back of a cavestill going via the settings. I may try the KX3 book by KE7X to see if that helps. Lane On Saturday, April 19, 2014 6:38 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: Hi Gary, I think you are right about MON level being too high... I will test this later today... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sat, 2014-04-19 at 15:55 -0500, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: Many, if not most, headsets found in the typical hamshack have significant audio leakage around the ear cups, and if they’re open back it’s even worse. If you’re wearing headphones with the speaker turned off, you can get still get audio feedback while MON is turned on, and of course, it gets worse the more you have the monitor level turned up. Best thing — use MON to check your signal and rather than leave it on to listen to your own fine glorious vocal tones, turn it OFF. Grant NQ5T __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lanenav...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Echo and feedback un SSB
Lane, That back of the cave sound can be one of two things. One is that there is monitor audio reaching your microphone due to either using the speaker or audio leakage from your headphones, The second is that it is simply your perception. There is a very slight delay between your voice and the output of the monitor. If your ears are sensitive enough to pick up that delay, it will sound like an echo in your head. In other words there may be no problem. I suspect that is the case whether no 1 or no 2 is the cause. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/19/2014 9:10 PM, lane zeitler via Elecraft wrote: When I use the ssb monitor is sounds like I am at the back of a cavestill going via the settings. I may try the KX3 book by KE7X to see if that helps. Lane __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
