Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[Scott Manthe]

The "App Nap" feature is separate from your sleep settings. It puts 
individual applications to sleep regardless of your system settings. 
Apparently, in Yosemite and El Capitan (a name so dumb I'll never 
upgrade), Apple has removed the ability to control this easily from from 
the user.


73,
Scott N9AA


On 9/8/15 10:20 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I generally have “Never” set for going to sleep on my work MacBook. I log onto 
other servers and run scripts that might take an hour or so. The Mac really is 
doing nothing during that time, but it needs to stay awake to keep the 
connection up.

wunder
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[Walter Underwood]

I generally have “Never” set for going to sleep on my work MacBook. I log onto 
other servers and run scripts that might take an hour or so. The Mac really is 
doing nothing during that time, but it needs to stay awake to keep the 
connection up.

wunder
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http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Sep 7, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Joel Black  wrote:

> I have turned off computer sleep on my Late 2012 iMac. It is set to “Never.” 
> I do have my screen set to go to sleep. I have an add-on called Caffeine 
> which, when selecting with my mouse, will allow me to either keep the display 
> on or allow it to go to sleep. It’s my understanding that OS X runs its 
> utilities during the wee morning hours and I don’t want to interfere with 
> that (I could be wrong).
> 
> As for a powered USB-3 hub the HooToo hub works great: 
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FR795WA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01
>  
> 
> 
> I do *not* try and run my external sound card through it.
> 
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 5:40 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
>> 
>> Many thanks for the half-dozen direct responses off list. Most of you run a 
>> powered USB hub for the KUSB (or several). May I ask what type/brand powered 
>> hub are you successfully using with your Mac device for the KUSB or multiple 
>> KUSBs?
>> 
>> It appears the chip in the KUSB can be interpreted as a real power hog, and 
>> the Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, iMac will protect against unusual drain. It just 
>> shuts off the USB port after a little warning. A powered hub would certainly 
>> remove that load from the Mac.
>> I will also admit to being one of the million or so Mac beta testers and 
>> we’re currently on OS X El Capitan beta Version 10.11 (15A278b). And believe 
>> me, there have been/are plentiful Mac sleep-wake issues before they 
>> finalize. 
>> 
>> David A., KC0XT, LA
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 2:39 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac 
>>> Mini) from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep 
>>> MacLogger connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time 
>>> (like Labor Day weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a 
>>> power drain which requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to 
>>> re-initialize the USB port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there 
>>> is a way to refresh the USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com    
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[David Ahrendts]

Scott, that would appear to be the solution. Thanks, everyone, for your input 
and comments. Best wishes.

David A., KC0XT, LA

> On Sep 8, 2015, at 5:30 AM, Scott Manthe  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> Have you tried right-clicking on the MacLogger DX app icon and checking the 
> "Prevent App Nap" box in he info window? This will prevent the Mini from 
> going into sleep mode when you're running MacLogger.
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> 
> 
> On 9/7/15 5:39 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:
>> What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac Mini) 
>> from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep MacLogger 
>> connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time (like Labor 
>> Day weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a power drain 
>> which requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to re-initialize 
>> the USB port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there is a way to 
>> refresh the USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?
>> 
>> 
>> David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[Scott Manthe]

Hi David,
Have you tried right-clicking on the MacLogger DX app icon and checking 
the "Prevent App Nap" box in he info window? This will prevent the Mini 
from going into sleep mode when you're running MacLogger.


73,
Scott N9AA


On 9/7/15 5:39 PM, David Ahrendts wrote:

What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac Mini) 
from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep MacLogger 
connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time (like Labor Day 
weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a power drain which 
requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to re-initialize the USB 
port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there is a way to refresh the 
USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?


David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[Jack Brindle]

Current requirements for the USB-Serial adapter can be seen by running a system 
report (About This Mac, then click on then System Report button). Then, select 
the USB entry under Hardware. If you have a lot of devices, figuring out which 
it is could be a challenge, but it will most likely be one of the FTDI 
interfaces. My KUSB shows a current requirement of 90 mA.

The Mac will try to put all devices on the USB to sleep when it goes to sleep, 
whether they are connected to a hub or not. When the Mac is awakened, it will 
try to reinitialize the ports as they were before the sleep condition, but if 
it is not doing this, then the software program should catch the wakeup 
notification and re-initialize the port. If it does not, you should file a bug 
report with the software package’s author to let them know they have something 
to fix. MacLogger DX is pretty good; it would surprise me if this isn’t already 
being done, but dropping an email to them is still a good idea.

Note that the USB stack is being reworked for El Capitan, so until the final 
release, you may see major changes in the way things work. Things have become 
much better since the first developer release, but there are still tweaks 
occurring with each subsequent release as problems are uncovered. 

Jack Brindle, W6FB


> On Sep 7, 2015, at 3:40 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks for the half-dozen direct responses off list. Most of you run a 
> powered USB hub for the KUSB (or several). May I ask what type/brand powered 
> hub are you successfully using with your Mac device for the KUSB or multiple 
> KUSBs?
> 
> It appears the chip in the KUSB can be interpreted as a real power hog, and 
> the Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, iMac will protect against unusual drain. It just 
> shuts off the USB port after a little warning. A powered hub would certainly 
> remove that load from the Mac.
> I will also admit to being one of the million or so Mac beta testers and 
> we’re currently on OS X El Capitan beta Version 10.11 (15A278b). And believe 
> me, there have been/are plentiful Mac sleep-wake issues before they finalize. 
> 
> David A., KC0XT, LA
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 2:39 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
>> 
>> What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac Mini) 
>> from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep MacLogger 
>> connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time (like Labor 
>> Day weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a power drain 
>> which requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to re-initialize 
>> the USB port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there is a way to 
>> refresh the USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?
>> 
>> 
>> David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com    
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[Joel Black]

I have turned off computer sleep on my Late 2012 iMac. It is set to “Never.” I 
do have my screen set to go to sleep. I have an add-on called Caffeine which, 
when selecting with my mouse, will allow me to either keep the display on or 
allow it to go to sleep. It’s my understanding that OS X runs its utilities 
during the wee morning hours and I don’t want to interfere with that (I could 
be wrong).

As for a powered USB-3 hub the HooToo hub works great: 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FR795WA?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01
 


I do *not* try and run my external sound card through it.

73,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 5:40 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks for the half-dozen direct responses off list. Most of you run a 
> powered USB hub for the KUSB (or several). May I ask what type/brand powered 
> hub are you successfully using with your Mac device for the KUSB or multiple 
> KUSBs?
> 
> It appears the chip in the KUSB can be interpreted as a real power hog, and 
> the Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, iMac will protect against unusual drain. It just 
> shuts off the USB port after a little warning. A powered hub would certainly 
> remove that load from the Mac.
> I will also admit to being one of the million or so Mac beta testers and 
> we’re currently on OS X El Capitan beta Version 10.11 (15A278b). And believe 
> me, there have been/are plentiful Mac sleep-wake issues before they finalize. 
> 
> David A., KC0XT, LA
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2015, at 2:39 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
>> 
>> What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac Mini) 
>> from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep MacLogger 
>> connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time (like Labor 
>> Day weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a power drain 
>> which requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to re-initialize 
>> the USB port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there is a way to 
>> refresh the USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?
>> 
>> 
>> David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com    
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[David Ahrendts]

Many thanks for the half-dozen direct responses off list. Most of you run a 
powered USB hub for the KUSB (or several). May I ask what type/brand powered 
hub are you successfully using with your Mac device for the KUSB or multiple 
KUSBs?

It appears the chip in the KUSB can be interpreted as a real power hog, and the 
Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, iMac will protect against unusual drain. It just shuts 
off the USB port after a little warning. A powered hub would certainly remove 
that load from the Mac.
I will also admit to being one of the million or so Mac beta testers and we’re 
currently on OS X El Capitan beta Version 10.11 (15A278b). And believe me, 
there have been/are plentiful Mac sleep-wake issues before they finalize. 

David A., KC0XT, LA


> On Sep 7, 2015, at 2:39 PM, David Ahrendts  wrote:
> 
> What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac Mini) 
> from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep MacLogger 
> connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time (like Labor Day 
> weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a power drain which 
> requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to re-initialize the USB 
> port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there is a way to refresh the 
> USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?
> 
> 
> David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com    
> 
> 
> 
> 




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[Elecraft] Elecraft Mac People: KUSB Issue

[David Ahrendts]

What can ya do to keep your fabulous Mac OS X device (in my case a Mac Mini) 
from kicking off the KUSB when it goes to sleep? Trying to keep MacLogger 
connected to the K3S via it’s KUSB for several days at a time (like Labor Day 
weekend). It appears to get kicked off for inactivity as a power drain which 
requires (I know, poor me!) re-starting the Mac Mini to re-initialize the USB 
port with the KUSB. Not a big thing, but maybe there is a way to refresh the 
USB devices connected (a Mac issue). Anyone?


David Ahrendts   davidahren...@me.com   




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