[Elecraft] FT-8 Problem, KX3, Signalink USB

[Bob McGraw]

Do be reminded that the audio from the computer does in effect key the 
VOX circuit in the Signalink.  That issues a hard PTT command to the 
radio.  Then the audio from the computer via the Signalink, with VOX on 
in the radio, is another transmit command. Then with CAT control from 
the computer to the radio for PTT that is a third transmit command.    
Choose one!


If the audio from the computer does not key the LED on the Signalink 
then there is no transmit command from the Signalink source.  If it does 
then the Delay on the Signalink slows the transition to receive.     If 
the VOX level is set such that the audio from the computer via the 
Signalink is low then the VOX won't key the transmitter.   Of course if 
there is noise on the audio path, that noise will activate the VOX in 
the radio, hence it stays in transmit.     {Why does one have VOX on 
anyway?}  Then of course the computer communication to the radio can 
issue a PTT command.  To me this is the smart way to handle things.


Understanding the "system" is the key to success.

73

Bob, K4TAX


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:40:32 -0400
From: Carter Craigie
To: Elecraft List Members
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 problem solved
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Thanks to a suggestion from K2UT, my WSJT-X and Signalink USB problem with
my KX3 is solved. The answer was to use VOX for PTT rather than CAT. I can
still use CAT for rig control, just not for PTT.

73, Carter N3AO
Blacksburg, VA


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:20:29 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm
To: Carter Craigie,Elecraft List Members

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Problem: FT8, KX3, SignaLink USB
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Carter,

Do you also have VOX active?? With both PTT and VOX on, that will happen.

On 4/21/2021 9:57 AM, Carter Craigie wrote:


I am setting up my KX3 for FT8 using a SignaLink USB interface. My computer
runs Windows 10.

For PTT, I have checked the CAT option.

When I do the test for CAT and PTT, the test works correctly. CAT tests
okay, and PTT toggles on and off.

However, in a QSO, the PTT does not work correctly. It puts the rig into
transmit but at the end of my transmission, the SignaLink drops into
Receive but the KX3 stays in Transmit. Stuck in Transmit. Only turning off
the KX3 gets it out of transmit.

My setup works properly for PSK31 using Ham Radio Deluxe software, so I
believe the FT8 problem lies somehow with how I have set up WSJT-X. I've
been told that the KX3 can get its brains scrambled in combination with a
SignaLink by getting conflicting PTT commands.

If someone is successfully using WSJT-X with a KX3 and a SignaLink USB
interface, I would appreciate your suggestions and advice. On the reflector
or by off-reflector e-mail is fine.

Thanks very much and 73,
Carter N3AO
carterwc...@gmail.com
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[Elecraft] FT 8 QRP

[Neil Foster]

What a blast, I just had my first QRP FT 8 contact with K3EEI on 15 m. I
used my Elecraft K2 that had the Fixed Audio mod board available from Dave
W8FGU.
My K 2 is the basic QRP radio not the 100 watt flavor.. It was neat to make
the contact and I used my RigBlaster Advantage along with it. I am a West
Mountain fan.
73 es gud dx
NeilN4FN
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8 RU Contest and the P3

[W0FK]

6M FT8 operators used (from what I observed) 3 frequencies this past season
for operations, primarily when there were DX openings to JA, EU and NA. 
There have been discussions to attempt to standardize the operating
frequencies (see QST “the World Above 50MHz” column) and discussions/spots
on the on4kst 6M chat page. As FT8 grows we’ll see more set gathering
frequencies develop. “Pop-up” groupings during a contest is an interesting
development.Lou, W0FK



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[Elecraft] FT 8 RU Contest and the P3

[Doug Millar via Elecraft]

Hi, Just a note on operating in the RU contest. There are stations in groups in 
a number of places on the band. The P3/PX3 sure comes in handy going between 
them. Using the markers you can easily mark a group with marker A and tune to 
them, and go back easily, because you can see the FT8 groups easily. 
    Has anyone else come up with any operating tips?This is the first time, 
I think, we have experienced the use of different frequencies on the same 
band.Now we need a MAP65 program that will read the whole band. 

We are watching it shake out before our eyes. 
   
    Doug K6JEY DM03vt
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[Elecraft] FT-8 vs. PSK31: an enlightening Sunday morning field report

[Wayne Burdick]

Thanks, everyone, for all the pragmatic and philosophical observations about 
FT-8. Depending on who you ask, it’s anywhere from miraculous to 
take-it-or-leave-it. Or both. This is characteristic of many aspects of amateur 
radio, of course. To each their own. 

A different sub-noise-floor mode, PSK31, was on my mind this morning. After 
breakfast I grabbed my KX2 and 17/20 meter whip and went outside to check the 
bands. All of the CW signals were weak at the time. Then I happened across a 
warbling PSK31 signal in this mode’s preferred segment (14070-14073)—a VA7 
calling CQ. 

I used the KX2’s auto-spot function, resulting in perfect copy. He came back to 
me on the first call at 10 W, which is not unusual; PSK31 has an established 
track record as a great QRP more. 

The important point is that I was able to carry on a satisfying, non-automated, 
data-mode QSO using a only a hand-held radio with an attached keyer paddle. In 
my sweats. On a gorgeous day right out of a Maxfield Parrish painting. Without 
a computer. 

I was reminded that PSK31 *is* that mystical unicorn: the sub-noise-floor data 
mode that’s also a conversational mode. It isn’t full QSK, like CW, and it 
lacks the rigor of FT-8, but it has some of the advantages of both. This is why 
PSK31 (and PSK63) are built into the K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2. All you need is a 
keyer paddle. If you prefer a keyboard, you can use a terminal emulator 
application running on a variety of devices. Just attach your device to the rig 
using the supplied USB cable. 

To summarize: If you’re a CW op who’s temporarily out of CW  signals, or an 
FT-8 user who longs for a few unmediated QSOs, take a walk on the wild side and 
try PSK. 

Notes:

1.  Elecraft radios have a special mode, “PSK-D”, that treats PSK31/63 as a 
narrowband mode for VFO tuning purposes. You don’t just park the VFO at 14070 
like you do when using a sound card and a computer. Instead, use a very narrow 
filter bandwidth (50 to 100 Hz) and tune around the 3 kHz PSK segment using the 
VFO set to 1-Hz steps. When you find a signal, tap the keyer speed knob, which 
auto-tunes the received signal (this is the “SPT” function). 

2. RTTY mode (FSK-D) is also available. This legacy mode is great fun during 
RTTY contests. Last year at FD, taking a break from CW, I made over a dozen 
RTTY contacts using the KX2, including one of over 2500 miles with the rig 
hand-held + whip. 

73,
Wayne 
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[Elecraft] FT-8

[Edmund T. Wright]

I have had good success with my K2 and SignalLink USB and FT-8.

One of my first QSO's was with Cuba from my QTH in CA.

Ed Wright
AA6LZ

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Re: [Elecraft] FT-8 & KH6JF/MM

[Wes Stewart]

Just for the heck of it, I worked it twice.  The first time I did not hear (see) 
it transmitting and called blind.  It responded on the next sequence.  The 
second "contact" between our two computers was when I answered its CQ.



On 3/16/2018 7:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
There is currently a chance to work some really rare grids. HF Voyager is an 
ocean-going drone currently making its way from Hawaii to California. Its 
current location can be seen here. Onboard in a waterproof container is an 
Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi computer enabling a variety of digital modes 
to be used.


Onboard in a waterproof container is an Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi 
computer enabling a variety of digital modes to be used


On March 6, FT8 was enabled and the drone was in gridsquare CL51 operating 
with the callsign KH6JF/mm


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[Elecraft] FT-8 & KH6JF/MM

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

There is currently a chance to work some really rare grids. HF Voyager 
is an ocean-going drone currently making its way from Hawaii to 
California. Its current location can be seen here. Onboard in a 
waterproof container is an Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi computer 
enabling a variety of digital modes to be used.


Onboard in a waterproof container is an Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi 
computer enabling a variety of digital modes to be used


On March 6, FT8 was enabled and the drone was in gridsquare CL51 
operating with the callsign KH6JF/mm



From Rusty W6OAT:

"This afternoon I worked KH6JF/mm in Grid CL (we all need it).  I was 
already late for an appointment so I ran out the door as soon as I 
finished my QSO without time to call either of you on the telephone to 
alert you. I'm so sorry about that. But after I got back home tonight, I 
did some research on this station.  It turns out it is a floating, 
unmanned robotic station slowly making its way from Hawaii to 
California. I see no reason why this should not count for the Field 
Award, so you guys should be on the lookout for it.


KH6JF is operating on FT8 on 20m. Apparently it does not call CQ (edit: 
evidently it does call CQ at times), but it will respond to stations who 
call it (that's how it worked for me anyway). So if you can operate on 
FT8 mode, I suggest late afternoon our time you tune to 14074 kHz and 
just call KH6JF/mm blind and see what happens.  The robot uploads its 
log to its website (see QRZ.com  for that link) every 
five minutes when its batteries are charged enough for it to do so, so 
you can actually check to see if your QSO is there."


Read the full story at
https://ae5x.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/hf-voyager-ocean-going-drone-with-kx3.html

Map showing track of HF Voyager
http://hfvportal.jrfarc.org/

73
Bob, K4TAX
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[KENT TRIMBLE]

I did a Show-N-Tell with our club’s CW class last Saturday using my 
46-year old Hallicrafters T.O. Keyer so they could operate the first 
successful commercial electronic keyer, and to underscore how viable 
vintage tube gear still can be.  To add luster, I dug through old log 
books to resurrect that oft-remembered, highly enjoyable, and 
technically informative hour-long QSO I had on May 24, 1976, with Jim 
Ricks, W9TO, the original designer of that mercury-wetted relay circuit, 
and in whose honor Bill Halligan named the keyer when he put it into 
production (a courtesy Martin Jue has yet to learn).


Forty-six years from now I hope hams will enjoy showing off their old 
towers and laptops to each other as they try in vain to remember 
memorable conversations with living human beings that never took place.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 3/3/2018 5:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL



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[Elecraft] Ft-8

[Dana Smith via Elecraft]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

 I view FT-8 like stamp collecting.  You get the QSO you post it 
and you move on.  If you use eQSL you can download a QSL card of your 
QSO, admire it just like a stamp collection and have fun. It's not for 
rag chewing, just collecting.  I actually enjoy all modes of 
communication and my KX3 is great at all of it.


Dana KM4TIX


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Edward R Cole]

I haven't yet used FT8, but 15-years use of JT65 on 2m-em (and 6m & 23cm eme).

FT8 and JT65 plus other variants are for making basic contacts where 
one exchanges call signs and signal reports (and grid squares for 
some contests).
Not really designed for any conversation.  This satisfies DXer's and 
contesters, grid chasers, etc.


Note: deep-search is used with marginally weak signals to speed up 
decoding (adds about 2-3 dB sensitivity).  Basically is a listing of 
all eme stations worldwide so the software does not have to look for 
all random possibilities of call signs.  Some feel this is a kind of 
cheating and have deep-search off during contests.


QRA is a new digital mode that is purportedly more sensitive without 
use of the call sign list.  I agree that contests should require 
operator interface real-time (no auto contesting).  Contesting is 
supposed to be a test of station capability and the operator's skill.


But I enjoy a nice chat on phone on occasion and only RTTY and psk-31 
have sufficed as digital equivalent.
There are some digital modes that work like e-mail but are not 
real-time exchange.


A new mode is being explored called WSQ which may offer a digital 
alternative to CW/phone.  Quite a bit of its use on 630m!
My 630m antenna is hung up at this point so cannot fully raise 
it.  Having sat-TV guy out soon and might convince him to get wires 
cleared on the roof if he needs to adjust the dish.  I'm not allowed 
to climb anymore.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Bill Frantz]

I guess I'm just impure in my ham radio operation. Today I 
helped the local ARES/RACES group test communications between a 
possible repeater site and various places in town operating my 
HT between .1 and 5 watts. Then I went home an fought through a 
pileup for XR0YD on 40M CW using 850 watts using only the K3's 
memories. Then I got on FT8 at 100W to try to contact a friend 
who was in Honduras, but no joy.


When I was lucky enough to contact VE2XK on 6M FT8 New Years 
Eve, I used the K3, 100W and my 160M dipole. He came in at -07 
dB and received me at -15 dB, FN06 to CM97. Machine generated 
signal reports take a lot of the guess work out of how well 
you're getting out.


I found FT8 to be ideal for when I was recovering from cancer 
therapy. I had no energy and the automatic operation let me be 
on the air and have some fun. I'm glad my health is back to a 
state where I have the energy to work a contest.


When my wife and I bought a new Subaru Forester, our principle 
requirement was a manual transmission. Our 1993 Miata has 300K+ 
miles and a manual transmission.


Tomorrow, I plan to get out the straight key and try not 
embarrass myself too much when I try to check into the CW net. 
With luck, my schedule and the contest will let me try to check 
into the SSB net. I don't know how much power I'll run for those checkins.


I think my weakest signal situation was when I was activation 
Kings County for the California QSO party. I had my 10W K3 
operating into a Little Tarheel screwdriver antenna on my car 
operating out of a model parking lot. I made a few 80M SSB QSOs, 
but every one of the operators I managed to complete a contact 
with said something like, "You're way down in the noise, but 
we'll make it work." Many thanks to them.


Ham radio is a wonderful hobby, and there are many ways to enjoy it.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Neil Zampella]

Well I'll comment on it.

1.  its from 2009 ... and refers to the old WSJT v6
2.  Its obvious he has not looked at the code for the JT65 decoder

Now the system can use the saved data from previous QSOs, but there are 
so many new users that the only thing its good for is to show whether or 
not you can classify a call as new or is a previous contact.


You can say what you want about the FT8, but it has made many operators 
who live in marginal locations, with compromised antenna able to use 
their license once more.


Neil, KN3ILZ


On 3/3/2018 9:11 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Offered without comment:

http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html


On 3/3/2018 6:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior 
knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an 
uninterested third party.


Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any 
part of the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set 
to consult a database for what they call a "deep search" function 
that can reach a dB or two deeper into the noise. I don't know 
details, but it's my impression that it's used on EME (moonbounce) 
and for weak signal VHF work. 





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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

If you like it use it!  If  not move on.  Like packet it is out of the 
bag.  It is not going back in.


FT8 has allowed many people with less than ideal situations to work dx 
they never had a chance to work before.  This is a good thing no?  
People should want to operate and make contacts.


I didn't realize that people using a couple of Kc of bandspace was a 
problem.  At least 100 people can operate in less space than an SSTV 
signal or SSB signal.


I  operated CW in the past, but really loved SSB, today it is the other 
way around and I also enjoy FT8 as I can operate and work at the same time.


Things change, life keep on.  Much to do about nothing.

W0MU


On 3/3/2018 6:11 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

At the risk of arousing the ire of those who have gone before me, I humbly
submit that we have beat the FT8 horse to death - many times over.

Nobody's going to be happy about the ultimate answer and it might be best
to just let nature take its course, no matter what it is.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:


Hi Wes!

"Operator skill" ...

Surely you jest ...

73!

K0PP

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart  wrote:


Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8

"I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes,
that 1) I
will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that
couldn't
have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the
software to
have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by

an

uninterested third party.

I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is
longing
for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I

have

worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also
believe
that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."

Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from
my QSO
partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next,
I will
not complete the QSO.

Wes  N7WS



On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled,

5

tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big

antennas

and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become.

No

big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell

the

radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record

new

prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all

is

fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL

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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

That is a cute name for the Prius, the QRP Mobile...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
https://www.nk7z.net

On 03/03/2018 05:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:




...and still you bought a Prius.  :)


... and I get 60 MPG. I think of it as a QRPmobile (one that sips rather than 
guzzles fuel), thus rendering it not OT.

Wayne





73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[John Harper]

I think FT8 and, more significantly, FT8's future iterations will add to
ham radio in ways that aren't being considered.

For example, adding an extra layer to the computer time sync requirement of
future modes (and with those computers being on the 'net) could allow DFing
of each station worked. Or the exact propagation path could be made known
via the time delay in working stations at known locations - was it direct
path, LP, gray line or something else? Imagine that info being plotted on a
map in almost-real-time by a future version of WSJT. Opens up a lot of
possibilities in learning propagation while "our computers work each other".

For those who are inherently against this mode and the automation behind
it, I don my flamesuit and say that we are hams, not CBers. It doesn't have
to be about human QSO's and human contacts - we can also engage in modes
that allow the vagaries of propagation and other aspects of radio to be
investigated in ways that aren't possible with current modes of
communication.

John AE5X
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Roger Stein]

Having a ball using my J-38 racking nice chatty QSO’s on 40 and 80 CW in the 
Novice Rig Roundup, Google it and come join the fun, all week long!!
73, Roger K7SJ/VE1 Nova Scotia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Well, he does live on the left coast in N. CA. ;-)
> 
> Contrast that to one of his engineers who lives in Tucson. He drives a Tesla.
> 
> Personally, I use all of my electrons powering my Elecraft gear and still 
> burn petrol* in my automobile.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> * I drive an Australian-built Pontiac G8-GT.
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 6:14 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>> On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>> > Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model.
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> 
>> ...and still you bought a Prius.  :)
>> 
>> 
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave
>> NK7Z
>> https://www.nk7z.net
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wes Stewart]

Well, he does live on the left coast in N. CA. ;-)

Contrast that to one of his engineers who lives in Tucson. He drives a Tesla.

Personally, I use all of my electrons powering my Elecraft gear and still burn 
petrol* in my automobile.


Wes  N7WS

* I drive an Australian-built Pontiac G8-GT.

On 3/3/2018 6:14 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model.
>
> Wayne

...and still you bought a Prius.  :)


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Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wes Stewart]

Offered without comment:

http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html


On 3/3/2018 6:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior knowledge of 
the two station calls or could not be copied by an uninterested third party.


Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any part of 
the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set to consult a 
database for what they call a "deep search" function that can reach a dB or 
two deeper into the noise. I don't know details, but it's my impression that 
it's used on EME (moonbounce) and for weak signal VHF work. 


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wayne Burdick]

> 
> ...and still you bought a Prius.  :)

... and I get 60 MPG. I think of it as a QRPmobile (one that sips rather than 
guzzles fuel), thus rendering it not OT. 

Wayne


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> Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Jim Brown]

On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior 
knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an 
uninterested third party.


Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any 
part of the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set to 
consult a database for what they call a "deep search" function that can 
reach a dB or two deeper into the noise. I don't know details, but it's 
my impression that it's used on EME (moonbounce) and for weak signal VHF 
work.


WSJT modes are much like RTTY in signals can be copied by anyone using 
software that decodes these modes, and like CW, in that they can be 
copied by anyone with CW skills. :)


On 3/3/2018 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No big 
power, no big antennas.


What passes for ragchewing on HF and VHF/UHF FM bores me to tears (and 
often turns me off). FWIW, ham radio was never about rag chewing -- 
rather it IS about radios and antennas and electronics and networks. And 
on the operating side, I enjoy challenging myself with contesting.


YOU may have big antennas (I do now, deep into retirement, but for my 
first 50 years in ham radio I didn't). Many hams live in cities, towns, 
and housing developments where they cannot have anything visible. Many 
hams are surrounded by electronically generated noise. WSJT modes allow 
us to work 10-20 dB deeper into the noise floor than a very good CW op, 
giving a ham mired in noise and with limited antennas a chance at 
playing radio. I see nothing at all wrong with that!


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model.
>
> Wayne

...and still you bought a Prius.  :)


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[rich hurd WC3T]

At the risk of arousing the ire of those who have gone before me, I humbly
submit that we have beat the FT8 horse to death - many times over.

Nobody's going to be happy about the ultimate answer and it might be best
to just let nature take its course, no matter what it is.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:

> Hi Wes!
>
> "Operator skill" ...
>
> Surely you jest ...
>
> 73!
>
> K0PP
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart  wrote:
>
> > Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8
> >
> > "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes,
> > that 1) I
> > will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that
> > couldn't
> > have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the
> > software to
> > have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by
> an
> > uninterested third party.
> >
> > I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is
> > longing
> > for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I
> have
> > worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also
> > believe
> > that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."
> >
> > Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from
> > my QSO
> > partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next,
> > I will
> > not complete the QSO.
> >
> > Wes  N7WS
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:
> > > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
> > > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled,
> 5
> > > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big
> > antennas
> > > and towers.
> > >
> > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become.
> > No
> > > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell
> the
> > > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record
> new
> > > prefixes and club log it.
> > >
> > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all
> is
> > > fair in love and war.
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wayne Burdick]

Seconded. 

They had to pry the stick-shift out of my hand, too, when my CRV was trashed by 
a drunk and, valuing gas mileage over sportiness, I got a Prius. 

Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model. 

Wayne


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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8
> 
> "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, that 
> 1) I will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that 
> couldn't have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the 
> software to have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be 
> copied by an uninterested third party.
> 
> I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is 
> longing for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I 
> have worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also 
> believe that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."
> 
> Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from my 
> QSO partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, 
> I will not complete the QSO.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:
>> As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
>> I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
>> tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
>> and towers.
>> 
>> FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
>> big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
>> radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
>> prefixes and club log it.
>> 
>> I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
>> fair in love and war.
>> 
>> Sincerely, Bill N2WL
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Ken G Kopp]

Hi Wes!

"Operator skill" ...

Surely you jest ...

73!

K0PP

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart  wrote:

> Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8
>
> "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes,
> that 1) I
> will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that
> couldn't
> have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the
> software to
> have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an
> uninterested third party.
>
> I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is
> longing
> for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I have
> worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also
> believe
> that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."
>
> Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from
> my QSO
> partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next,
> I will
> not complete the QSO.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
>
> On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:
> > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
> > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
> > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big
> antennas
> > and towers.
> >
> > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become.
> No
> > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
> > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
> > prefixes and club log it.
> >
> > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
> > fair in love and war.
> >
> > Sincerely, Bill N2WL
>
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wes Stewart]

Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8

"I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, that 1) I 
will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that couldn't 
have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the software to 
have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an 
uninterested third party.


I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is longing 
for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I have 
worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also believe 
that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."


Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from my QSO 
partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, I will 
not complete the QSO.


Wes  N7WS



On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Mike Flowers]

The Old Signalman, seeing the new-fangled 
telegraph poles and wires stretching off to the horizon, threw down his 
semaphore flags in disgust.

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:57 PM, William Levy  wrote:
> 
> As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
> I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
> tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
> and towers.
> 
> FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
> big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
> radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
> prefixes and club log it.
> 
> I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
> fair in love and war.
> 
> Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[EricJ]

Here ya go. SV5DKL has done exactly that. This AE5X blog entry is two 
months ago.


http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2018/01/video-fully-automated-ft8-qsos.html

Who knows? Hams might have to go back to homebrewing as a hobby.

Eric KE6US



On 3/3/2018 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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[Elecraft] FT 8

[William Levy]

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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