Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2014-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
I doubt your problems are because of the firmware, but the answer about 
the best version of firmware to use is to always load the latest 
production version.


Beta versions can be useful if you are experiencing problems that the 
beta release corrects.  Remember that beta versions are usually OK to 
use, but there are made available so a large number of users can report 
any problems they experience.  If there are no problems reported, that 
beta version will be advanced to production status. OTOH, if there are 
problems reported, that beta version will be replaced by another beta 
with those problems addressed.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/19/2014 10:31 PM, Va3ied wrote:

I just bought the tuner and am having the exact same issues on 80 mwhat
veh of firmware works best?




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Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2014-12-19 Thread Va3ied
I just bought the tuner and am having the exact same issues on 80 mwhat
veh of firmware works best?



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[Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
I take it everyone has good station RF ground systems in the shack (or where
ever the tuner is located)?


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ
 
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Big Signal Ranch
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Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

I experience this as well, only on 80 meters with the KPA500 in 
operate.  Always thought that it was RF getting into the KAT500 sensing 
as I can usually back off to 300 Watts, force a KAT500 re-tune and continue.



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Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread Bill W2BLC
In regards to proper grounding etc.: I think it is safe to say that K3 
owners have a very good grasp of what is needed to construct and operate 
a proper station - safety and RF wise.


I do, yet still went back over every last connector/connection/lug, etc. 
Everything is locked down properly here. No baluns, good coax, and 
everything is mechanical and soldered along the entire antenna routes. 
Yet, the problem continues. Perhaps the most disconcerting part is that 
my other auto tuners/rigs do not exhibit this difficulty. Perhaps the 
KAT500 is seeing something the others do not.


The difficult part is never knowing when the tuner will take off and the 
fact that MANUAL selection does not appear to make any difference. I 
have been using MANUAL for a couple of months. I do not see that it has 
made any difference in occurrences. The instances of run-away are 
random and it is usually days between events.


Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread Jim Miller
Do you have coomon mode chokes on you feed lines?

Jim ab3cv

On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Bill W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

In regards to proper grounding etc.: I think it is safe to say that K3 owners 
have a very good grasp of what is needed to construct and operate a proper 
station - safety and RF wise.

I do, yet still went back over every last connector/connection/lug, etc. 
Everything is locked down properly here. No baluns, good coax, and everything 
is mechanical and soldered along the entire antenna routes. Yet, the problem 
continues. Perhaps the most disconcerting part is that my other auto 
tuners/rigs do not exhibit this difficulty. Perhaps the KAT500 is seeing 
something the others do not.

The difficult part is never knowing when the tuner will take off and the fact 
that MANUAL selection does not appear to make any difference. I have been using 
MANUAL for a couple of months. I do not see that it has made any difference in 
occurrences. The instances of run-away are random and it is usually days 
between events.

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread KD0Q-Glenn
Everything in the shack is grounded to an aluminum bus bar across the 
back of the operating table which is tied with #6 solid copper to the 
same point as the tower and AC Main grounds.


Just for reference, the antenna is a 260ft OCF Inverted Vee at 75 ft 
using a Balun Designs #4115ocf 4:1/Choke combination balun.  Coax shield 
is grounded at the top and bottom of the tower.


Glenn - KD0Q

On 12/30/2013 13:54, Jim Miller wrote:

Do you have coomon mode chokes on you feed lines?

Jim ab3cv

On Dec 30, 2013, at 1:29 PM, Bill W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

In regards to proper grounding etc.: I think it is safe to say that K3 owners 
have a very good grasp of what is needed to construct and operate a proper 
station - safety and RF wise.

I do, yet still went back over every last connector/connection/lug, etc. 
Everything is locked down properly here. No baluns, good coax, and everything 
is mechanical and soldered along the entire antenna routes. Yet, the problem 
continues. Perhaps the most disconcerting part is that my other auto 
tuners/rigs do not exhibit this difficulty. Perhaps the KAT500 is seeing 
something the others do not.

The difficult part is never knowing when the tuner will take off and the fact that MANUAL 
selection does not appear to make any difference. I have been using MANUAL for a couple 
of months. I do not see that it has made any difference in occurrences. The instances of 
run-away are random and it is usually days between events.

Bill W2BLC K-Line
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Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread Don Wilhelm
Hmmm,  An aluminum bar tied to a copper wire!  Be aware that there will 
be oxidation at the junction point due to dissimilar metals unless 
special bonding is used to slow (but not stop) the oxidation.


Just something to bear in mind.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 12/30/2013 3:23 PM, KD0Q-Glenn wrote:
Everything in the shack is grounded to an aluminum bus bar across the 
back of the operating table which is tied with #6 solid copper to the 
same point as the tower and AC Main grounds.


Just for reference, the antenna is a 260ft OCF Inverted Vee at 75 ft 
using a Balun Designs #4115ocf 4:1/Choke combination balun. Coax 
shield is grounded at the top and bottom of the tower.




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Re: [Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread KD0Q-Glenn

Good point Don!

That's why I use stainless steel hardware and ICE 602 copper/aluminum 
anti-oxidant paste.


Glenn - KD0Q

On 12/30/2013 14:29, Don Wilhelm wrote:
Hmmm, An aluminum bar tied to a copper wire!  Be aware that there will 
be oxidation at the junction point due to dissimilar metals unless 
special bonding is used to slow (but not stop) the oxidation.


Just something to bear in mind.

73,
Don W3FPR
On 12/30/2013 3:23 PM, KD0Q-Glenn wrote:
Everything in the shack is grounded to an aluminum bus bar across the 
back of the operating table which is tied with #6 solid copper to the 
same point as the tower and AC Main grounds.


Just for reference, the antenna is a 260ft OCF Inverted Vee at 75 ft 
using a Balun Designs #4115ocf 4:1/Choke combination balun. Coax 
shield is grounded at the top and bottom of the tower.




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[Elecraft] FW: K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

2013-12-30 Thread Dr. William J. Schmidt, II
I came to the same conclusion and built filters to clear this up too...  but
then...

I'm down on PJ4 for holiday the past two weeks operating for fun with a
portable 3 element beam (20-6) and dipoles for 80 and 40.  On Saturday night
I was on 40 meters with the amp running at probably 1.4:1 SWR on CW, saw the
tuner go into manual mode and saw a good sized thick cloud of black smoke
emit from the KPA500.  I quickly shut the amp off... but used it fine the
following nights on 20 meters and 18 meters.  Thought it might be because I
don't have a really good station ground, but can't prove that.  Guess I'll
take the amp apart when I get back to see what's burned up.  Until then I'll
just keep using it... but not on 40 and 80 meters.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch
Staunton, Illinois
 
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill OMara
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 4:40 PM
To: 'Igor Sokolov'; 'Jeffrey Otterson'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500/KAT500 SWR problem

I saw the problem when operating a  Multi-op contesting and the 80M OP was
running 1.5kw and the RF is induced into the 160M Phased inverted L array
and the combination of induced energy and the SWR reflected power on the
array kick the KAT500 back into a retune mode. So, either local energy on
Broadcast energy will both make this happen.

I now have built coaxial Stubs and look forward to seeing if this solves my
Local energy problem.


73 Bill   W4RM

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