RE: [Elecraft] Filtering list traffic properly
It does work as you suggest. But I had personal email today from two people with Elecraft in their header ;-) and it went to the Elecraft folder rather than my personal inbox because the To: field is [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than Elecraft Discussion List. Before I filtered on Elecraft in the header except when sent directly to you. It is just less versatile. Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike S Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: [Elecraft] Filtering list traffic properly At 11:28 PM 8/1/2004, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote... I have Outlook set to put anything with [Elecraft] in the subject line into the Elecraft message folder. That word is consistent, no matter what changes in the address fields. Consistent, yes. It is also ambiguous. It does not uniquely identify a message as coming from the list. If someone does a private (off-list) reply to one of your messages, a filter built on such a criteria will end up sorting it in with list traffic. I've seen a few embarrassing messages appear on lists as a result of this (responses to private messages ending up on a list). There is a unique header which is present on all messages coming from the list server used by Elecraft, which has been available since at least 2001: List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft.mailman.qth.net Depending upon your MUA, Elecraft in header List-Id: or List-Id: Elecraft in headers should be sufficient to unambiguously identify a message as coming from this discussion list. I don't know if Elecraft has other lists (a beta tester one, perhaps), but if so, a longer string may be needed to uniquely identify each for anyone on multiple lists. For MS Lookout, a rule such as Apply this rule after the message arrives with List-ID: Elecraft in the message header should work. Mike ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Filtering list traffic properly
At 11:28 PM 8/1/2004, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote... I have Outlook set to put anything with [Elecraft] in the subject line into the Elecraft message folder. That word is consistent, no matter what changes in the address fields. Consistent, yes. It is also ambiguous. It does not uniquely identify a message as coming from the list. If someone does a private (off-list) reply to one of your messages, a filter built on such a criteria will end up sorting it in with list traffic. I've seen a few embarrassing messages appear on lists as a result of this (responses to private messages ending up on a list). There is a unique header which is present on all messages coming from the list server used by Elecraft, which has been available since at least 2001: List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft.mailman.qth.net Depending upon your MUA, Elecraft in header List-Id: or List-Id: Elecraft in headers should be sufficient to unambiguously identify a message as coming from this discussion list. I don't know if Elecraft has other lists (a beta tester one, perhaps), but if so, a longer string may be needed to uniquely identify each for anyone on multiple lists. For MS Lookout, a rule such as Apply this rule after the message arrives with List-ID: Elecraft in the message header should work. Mike ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Filtering list traffic properly
Thank you, Mike, for the solution to the problem, at least in my environment! For readers who may not know how to apply your insight, here are some hints. (Experts may delete this message now.) I use Mozilla V1.6 as my mail user interface program. In this program, Message Filters management is accessible through the Tools menu in the main list display (not in a message display window). Each filter is defined as a set of criteria and actions. The criteria compare a message header field to a value. The message header field comes from a pull-down list of things like To or Subject and this is where the novice might get blocked because the field type List-Id does not appear in the default list of field types. However, there is a selection called Customize which you can click to request a dialog box that lets you Add a new field name. You type in List-Id (no colon) and then it appears in the field name pull-down list. Now you can create a filter item that says essentially If List-Id contains Elecraft, then Move Message to My Elecraft Folder. If someone replies both to you and the list, then one copy will get filtered to your Elecraft folder and the other to your favored destination for personal email. Note that Mozilla processes filters in the order they are listed until one is successful. It takes the specified action and ignores further filter specs. You can reorder the list with Move Up / Move Down buttons next to the list. If you care: Mozilla has some quirks that made the discovery process for the above a little tricky. There are lots of headers in typical email. You have to turn on View/Headers/All in order to view all but the most common headers. List-Id appears pretty far down the display of All Headers and Mozilla 1.6 truncates header display to a fixed length, too short to for List-Id to be displayed. File/Save As a text file doesn't help because it doen't save any headers. However, if you forward the message to yourself while viewing All Headers, the copy you receive will show all the headers from the original, albeit in an unnecessarily fancy format. You don't need to know this to apply the technique in the previous paragraph but if you want to do similar research into headers it might help. GL 73, /Rick N6XI Mike S wrote: There is a unique header which is present on all messages coming from the list server used by Elecraft, which has been available since at least 2001: List-Id: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft.mailman.qth.net Depending upon your MUA, Elecraft in header List-Id: or List-Id: Elecraft in headers should be sufficient to unambiguously identify a message as coming from this discussion list. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
