Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
thank you guys for your suggestions i actually have a mac i have ordered a k1el machine thanks for your interesting suggestions greg -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/sending-computer-morse-tp7563309p7563812.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] fwd: Sending Computer Morse
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[Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
Brilliant Tom, run services.msc and turn Windows Audio (off) ok. Den 27-Sep-12 16:51, Tommy Alderman skrev: > Since you are talking about "operating systems" and since most ham software > is written for Windows, a much less expensive solution is to just turn > off Windows sound generation. When Windows generates sounds, the CPU > first shuts > off the I/O ports, which causes CW stutter, generates the sounds and > then returns the I/O port to normal operation. Eliminating that sound generation > removes that 'stutter' generated by serial (or I/O ports) port. I have been > using audio generated CW driving a simple audio detector, to key my > transmitters for about 30 years and running in excess of 60 wpm, > without any > serial port generated stutter. And it cost a LOT less than purchasing > outboard keyers! > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
Agree - for contesting I've been using Win-test, keying it with RTS, even through a USB to serial adapter for the configured CAT com port. Usually I key in 28-35 WPM, and with sound OFF on the computer, it works fine. Only rarely it messes up the timing of the CW code, but in practice it works like a charm. Done so on my K2, and lately setting the same up on my Kx3 /OZ2BRN - Brian Den 27-Sep-12 16:51, Tommy Alderman skrev: > Since you are talking about "operating systems" and since most ham software > is written for Windows, a much less expensive solution is to just turn off > Windows sound generation. When Windows generates sounds, the CPU first shuts > off the I/O ports, which causes CW stutter, generates the sounds and then > returns the I/O port to normal operation. Eliminating that sound generation > removes that 'stutter' generated by serial (or I/O ports) port. I have been > using audio generated CW driving a simple audio detector, to key my > transmitters for about 30 years and running in excess of 60 wpm, without any > serial port generated stutter. And it cost a LOT less than purchasing > outboard keyers! > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > >> -Original Message- >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On >> Behalf Of Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:48 AM >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse? >> >> Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but >> it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There >> is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >> application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the >> operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That >> may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at >> higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >>> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that > allows you computer to >> key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not quite as good as a > Winkeyer, but >> gets you on air very quickly so you can have a play. >>> 73, Matt VK2ACL >>> >>> >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
Very good yes, a few choices available. Interesting reading; http://prism2.mem.drexel.edu/~rares/dos_comm.htm http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Serial_Programming/DOS_Programming http://philipstorr.id.au/pcbook/book2/serial.htm -Original Message- From: Holger Schurig [mailto:holgerschu...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012 6:16 PM To: Adrian Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse? There's also FreeDOS, which run's on the bare machine. E.g. it is *not* a window inside Windows 7. So you don't need to have a saved copy of MSDOS 6.2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeDOS (http://www.freedos.org was down while I wrote this) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
There's also FreeDOS, which run's on the bare machine. E.g. it is *not* a window inside Windows 7. So you don't need to have a saved copy of MSDOS 6.2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeDOS (http://www.freedos.org was down while I wrote this) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
DOSBox is capable of timing-compatible implementation of the serial ports, and can run older hardware and software dependent on such; http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf#.5Bserial.5D [serial] serialX = device [parameter:value] device can be: dummy | modem | nullmodem | directserial parameter is: irq value is: 1. for directserial: realport (required), rxdelay (optional). >Umm... doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of running DOS in a virtualised environment under Windows kind of >defeat the purpose of running MSDOS in the first place, which was to avoid the real-time timing issues that come with >Windows? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
Umm... doesn't it kind of defeat the purpose of running DOS in a virtualised environment under Windows kind of defeat the purpose of running MSDOS in the first place, which was to avoid the real-time timing issues that come with Windows? :-) 73, Matt VK2ACL. On 28/09/2012, at 10:33 AM, "Adrian" wrote: > http://www.dosbox.com/ > > http://www.transmissionzero.co.uk/computing/installing-msdos-in-dosbox/ > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012 10:00 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse? > > That is great, but how do you "boot your computer in DOS" if you are running > Win XP or higher. > Did you wisely save a copy of DOS 6.2 just for such occasions? > > 73, > Don W3FPR > On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, wreese wrote: >> Don & The List, >> >> There is a free program called "The Mill" but it requires that you >> boot your computer in DOS and it will control the DB9 serial connector. >> >> The Mill is a learning tool and it will teach you code up to about 40 >> WPM. In the particular application I think you want, it will print >> what you type on the screen and it changes colors as it goes out to >> your transmitter if you should type faster than the speed you set. >> >> http://home.comcast.net/~w4fok/ >> >> This link will take you to the home page of "THE MILL." >> >> At 09:48 AM 9/27/2012 -0400, you wrote: >>> Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, >>> but it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. >>> There is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >>> application has to pass the request to the operating system and then >>> the operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. >>> That may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more >>> critical at higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >>>> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit >>> that allows you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 >>> serial port. Not quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air >>> very quickly so you can have a play. >>>> 73, Matt VK2ACL >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: >>> http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: >>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
http://www.dosbox.com/ http://www.transmissionzero.co.uk/computing/installing-msdos-in-dosbox/ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, 28 September 2012 10:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse? That is great, but how do you "boot your computer in DOS" if you are running Win XP or higher. Did you wisely save a copy of DOS 6.2 just for such occasions? 73, Don W3FPR On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, wreese wrote: > Don & The List, > > There is a free program called "The Mill" but it requires that you > boot your computer in DOS and it will control the DB9 serial connector. > > The Mill is a learning tool and it will teach you code up to about 40 > WPM. In the particular application I think you want, it will print > what you type on the screen and it changes colors as it goes out to > your transmitter if you should type faster than the speed you set. > > http://home.comcast.net/~w4fok/ > > This link will take you to the home page of "THE MILL." > > At 09:48 AM 9/27/2012 -0400, you wrote: >> Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, >> but it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. >> There is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >> application has to pass the request to the operating system and then >> the operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. >> That may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more >> critical at higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >>> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit >> that allows you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 >> serial port. Not quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air >> very quickly so you can have a play. >>> 73, Matt VK2ACL >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: >> http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: >> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
That is great, but how do you "boot your computer in DOS" if you are running Win XP or higher. Did you wisely save a copy of DOS 6.2 just for such occasions? 73, Don W3FPR On 9/27/2012 11:03 AM, wreese wrote: > Don & The List, > > There is a free program called "The Mill" but it requires that you > boot your computer in DOS and it will control the DB9 serial connector. > > The Mill is a learning tool and it will teach you code up to about 40 > WPM. In the particular application I think you want, it will print > what you type on the screen and it changes colors as it goes out to > your transmitter if you should type faster than the speed you set. > > http://home.comcast.net/~w4fok/ > > This link will take you to the home page of "THE MILL." > > At 09:48 AM 9/27/2012 -0400, you wrote: >> Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but >> it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There >> is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >> application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the >> operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That >> may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at >> higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >>> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit >> that allows you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 >> serial port. Not quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air >> very quickly so you can have a play. >>> 73, Matt VK2ACL >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] fwd: Sending Computer Morse
Allen, is this hesitation present when you are keying the WinKey USB (is it a WinKey?) directly with a paddle, with the pre programmed keys? with a typed in message? For it to be a K3 problem it would have to be present when the K3 is keyed with a bug or straight key or a different keyer. I have not seen any such with N1MM or XMLog. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Allen Brier N5XZ To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: [Elecraft] fwd: Sending Computer Morse I have a strange problem with my USB keyer. It also seems to suffer from some sort of timing issue...it occasionally hesitates or "stutters" whithin characters and it is very annoying. I don't understand how that can be happening, any ideas? Computer: Win 7 Software: LOGic 9 USB Inteface: RigExpert Plus Allen N5XZ K3 #2324 -Original Message- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:30:37 -0700 >From: Vic K2VCO >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse? >To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Message-ID: <5064711d.3080...@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >It depends a lot on what your computer is doing. For years I used DTR keying >with N1MM and >a slow computer, and I couldn't understand why people claimed that there were >problems >with this. But I never operate 'assisted' by Internet connections, clusters, >etc. in >contests. So that may be the reason it worked as well as it did. > >Anyway I recently got a Winkey USB, and was surprised at how much better the >computer-generated CW sounded! Also, the Winkey offers PTT switching that is >smoother and >faster than the semi-QSK in the K3. > >The one downside (for me) is that I absolutely /hate/ the stand-alone keyer >function. I >just cannot send with it without making lots of errors, despite trying >numerous settings >of the paddle sensing function. > >I am used to mode B iambic keying, and I set all my keyers for that mode. The >best one for >me is the Idiom Press Logikey K3. It is better than the internal K3 keyer, >which is better >than the Winkey. So I still use the Logikey for my hand sending. > >On 9/27/2012 6:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but >> it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There >> is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >> application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the >> operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That >> may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at >> higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >>> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows >>> you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not >>> quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air very quickly so you can >>> have a play. >>> >>> 73, Matt VK2ACL > > >-- >Vic, K2VCO >Fresno CA >http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] fwd: Sending Computer Morse
I have a strange problem with my USB keyer. It also seems to suffer from some sort of timing issue...it occasionally hesitates or "stutters" whithin characters and it is very annoying. I don't understand how that can be happening, any ideas? Computer: Win 7 Software: LOGic 9 USB Inteface: RigExpert Plus Allen N5XZ K3 #2324 -Original Message- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:30:37 -0700 >From: Vic K2VCO >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse? >To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Message-ID: <5064711d.3080...@gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >It depends a lot on what your computer is doing. For years I used DTR keying >with N1MM and >a slow computer, and I couldn't understand why people claimed that there were >problems >with this. But I never operate 'assisted' by Internet connections, clusters, >etc. in >contests. So that may be the reason it worked as well as it did. > >Anyway I recently got a Winkey USB, and was surprised at how much better the >computer-generated CW sounded! Also, the Winkey offers PTT switching that is >smoother and >faster than the semi-QSK in the K3. > >The one downside (for me) is that I absolutely /hate/ the stand-alone keyer >function. I >just cannot send with it without making lots of errors, despite trying >numerous settings >of the paddle sensing function. > >I am used to mode B iambic keying, and I set all my keyers for that mode. The >best one for >me is the Idiom Press Logikey K3. It is better than the internal K3 keyer, >which is better >than the Winkey. So I still use the Logikey for my hand sending. > >On 9/27/2012 6:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but >> it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There >> is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >> application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the >> operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That >> may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at >> higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >>> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows >>> you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not >>> quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air very quickly so you can >>> have a play. >>> >>> 73, Matt VK2ACL > > >-- >Vic, K2VCO >Fresno CA >http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
Vic, Each to his own style, but the WinKeyer also provides Ultimatic mode which is the only mode I can use with a dual lever paddle. With a single lever, it does not matter. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/27/2012 11:30 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote: > It depends a lot on what your computer is doing. For years I used DTR keying > with N1MM and > a slow computer, and I couldn't understand why people claimed that there were > problems > with this. But I never operate 'assisted' by Internet connections, clusters, > etc. in > contests. So that may be the reason it worked as well as it did. > > Anyway I recently got a Winkey USB, and was surprised at how much better the > computer-generated CW sounded! Also, the Winkey offers PTT switching that is > smoother and > faster than the semi-QSK in the K3. > > The one downside (for me) is that I absolutely /hate/ the stand-alone keyer > function. I > just cannot send with it without making lots of errors, despite trying > numerous settings > of the paddle sensing function. > > I am used to mode B iambic keying, and I set all my keyers for that mode. The > best one for > me is the Idiom Press Logikey K3. It is better than the internal K3 keyer, > which is better > than the Winkey. So I still use the Logikey for my hand sending. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
It depends a lot on what your computer is doing. For years I used DTR keying with N1MM and a slow computer, and I couldn't understand why people claimed that there were problems with this. But I never operate 'assisted' by Internet connections, clusters, etc. in contests. So that may be the reason it worked as well as it did. Anyway I recently got a Winkey USB, and was surprised at how much better the computer-generated CW sounded! Also, the Winkey offers PTT switching that is smoother and faster than the semi-QSK in the K3. The one downside (for me) is that I absolutely /hate/ the stand-alone keyer function. I just cannot send with it without making lots of errors, despite trying numerous settings of the paddle sensing function. I am used to mode B iambic keying, and I set all my keyers for that mode. The best one for me is the Idiom Press Logikey K3. It is better than the internal K3 keyer, which is better than the Winkey. So I still use the Logikey for my hand sending. On 9/27/2012 6:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but > it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There > is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the > application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the > operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That > may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at > higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows >> you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not >> quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air very quickly so you can >> have a play. >> >> 73, Matt VK2ACL -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
On the other hand, for any wanting to quickly or cheaply get on the air that way it might be worth a try. I made a circuit similar to this one just now provided by google: http://i1-linux.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/Cwdaemon_2.jpg (PTT portion not needed.) I've had no linux timing issues when taking part in contests. My top speed in contests is upper 20s to 30 wpm. Beyond that, my ears can't distinguish much - sure wish they could - so can't speak to those speeds! 73, Mike ab3ap On 09/27/2012 09:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but it > is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There is no > way for an application to directly control a port, so the application has to > pass the request to the operating system and then the operating system will > control the port when it deems appropriate. That may be OK at slow CW > speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at higher speeds. Enter the > WinKeyer to solve that problem. > > 73, Don W3FPR > > On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: >> You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows >> you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not >> quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air very quickly so you can >> have a play. >> >> 73, Matt VK2ACL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer Morse?
Don & The List, There is a free program called "The Mill" but it requires that you boot your computer in DOS and it will control the DB9 serial connector. The Mill is a learning tool and it will teach you code up to about 40 WPM. In the particular application I think you want, it will print what you type on the screen and it changes colors as it goes out to your transmitter if you should type faster than the speed you set. http://home.comcast.net/~w4fok/ This link will take you to the home page of "THE MILL." At 09:48 AM 9/27/2012 -0400, you wrote: >Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but >it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There >is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the >application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the >operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That >may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at >higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > > You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit > that allows you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 > serial port. Not quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air > very quickly so you can have a play. > > > > 73, Matt VK2ACL >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
Since you are talking about "operating systems" and since most ham software is written for Windows, a much less expensive solution is to just turn off Windows sound generation. When Windows generates sounds, the CPU first shuts off the I/O ports, which causes CW stutter, generates the sounds and then returns the I/O port to normal operation. Eliminating that sound generation removes that 'stutter' generated by serial (or I/O ports) port. I have been using audio generated CW driving a simple audio detector, to key my transmitters for about 30 years and running in excess of 60 wpm, without any serial port generated stutter. And it cost a LOT less than purchasing outboard keyers! 73, Tom - W4BQF > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On > Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:48 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse? > > Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but > it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There > is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the > application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the > operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That > may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at > higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > > You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows you computer to > key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not quite as good as a Winkeyer, but > gets you on air very quickly so you can have a play. > > > > 73, Matt VK2ACL > > > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
Keying via DTR or RTS will work with the simple transistor circuit, but it is subject to timing problems created by the operating system. There is no way for an application to directly control a port, so the application has to pass the request to the operating system and then the operating system will control the port when it deems appropriate. That may be OK at slow CW speeds, but the timing becomes more critical at higher speeds. Enter the WinKeyer to solve that problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 9/26/2012 4:26 PM, Matt Maguire wrote: > You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows you > computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not quite as > good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air very quickly so you can have a play. > > 73, Matt VK2ACL > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
You can do it cheaper by building a simple transistor circuit that allows you computer to key the radio via the computer's RS232 serial port. Not quite as good as a Winkeyer, but gets you on air very quickly so you can have a play. 73, Matt VK2ACL On 26/09/2012, at 10:24 PM, Myron Schaffer wrote: > Greg, > > A good friend of mine K1BX helps build these interface units. Set the K1 to > straight key mode and hook up this keyer to your computer. Can't help you > with the software but there's got to be some freeware logging programs out > there that can key this. > > http://www.k1el.com/ > > 73, > > Myron > > Not sent from my PC > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: greg fripp >> Date: September 26, 2012, 5:53:37 AM MDT >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] sending computer morse? >> >> i want to send morse from my computer to my k1 >> is there a way i can do that? >> i have a mac >> asistance welcome >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/sending-computer-morse-tp7563309.html >> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
Most of the free and non-free programs have support. Look for the "WinKey" setting. -- *Michael D. Adams* (N1EN) Poquonock, Connecticut | m...@n1en.org On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Myron Schaffer wrote: > Greg, > > A good friend of mine K1BX helps build these interface units. Set the K1 > to straight key mode and hook up this keyer to your computer. Can't help > you with the software but there's got to be some freeware logging programs > out there that can key this. > > http://www.k1el.com/ > > 73, > > Myron > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Fwd: sending computer morse?
Greg, A good friend of mine K1BX helps build these interface units. Set the K1 to straight key mode and hook up this keyer to your computer. Can't help you with the software but there's got to be some freeware logging programs out there that can key this. http://www.k1el.com/ 73, Myron Not sent from my PC Begin forwarded message: > From: greg fripp > Date: September 26, 2012, 5:53:37 AM MDT > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] sending computer morse? > > i want to send morse from my computer to my k1 > is there a way i can do that? > i have a mac > asistance welcome > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/sending-computer-morse-tp7563309.html > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
