Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Josh Fiden]

OM-Power includes TCP/IP support built into the 2000A+ and via an 
optional control head with the other autotune amps. They use Lantronix 
XPort.


73,
Josh W6XU

On 6/19/2017 6:07 AM, Mike va3mw wrote:

Another reason to start moving to a LAN based solution as it is so much simpler 
to share frequency data.

If vendors supported it at the box level cabling nightmares start to go away.  
I'm now running raw socket connections where I can to rs232/ip converters.

Mike va3mw



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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Mike va3mw]

Another reason to start moving to a LAN based solution as it is so much simpler 
to share frequency data.  

If vendors supported it at the box level cabling nightmares start to go away.  
I'm now running raw socket connections where I can to rs232/ip converters. 

Mike va3mw

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Josh  wrote:
> 
> Again, that makes no sense. OM Power  supports ELECRAFT directly and provide 
> a pair of serial ports for doing so. No Y cable is necessary (and a bad 
> idea). 
> 
> This is how OM Power describes using their product. It works fine. You're 
> coming up with a workaround for a nonexistent problem. 
> 
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
> 
> Sent from my mobile device
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> microHAM has provided "cross brand" support for mixing transceivers
>> and amplifiers for a dozen years or more starting with the original
>> microHAM Band Decoder.  Icom has been the default interface for
>> serial (CAT) controls while Yaesu (BCD) has been the default interface
>> for "Band Data" control.
>> 
>> Since the current OM Power transceivers support Icom interfacing, it
>> is the obvious choice with microHAM interfaces and has been since the
>> earliest serial controlled OM Power amplifiers (those that did not
>> provide for CAT pass-through).  Using the Icom controls is far more
>> reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
>> issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
>> emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
>> collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/18/2017 1:23 PM, Josh wrote:
>>> I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a 
>>> PW-1??
>>> OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power 
>>> manual's recommendation before making up an answer?
>>> 73
>>> Josh W6XU
>>> Sent from my mobile device
 On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
 
 
 Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
 product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
 "Using the Icom PW-1"
 
 at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
 
 The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
 
 
 You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
 an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
 instruction manual
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Josh]

Again, that makes no sense. OM Power  supports ELECRAFT directly and provide a 
pair of serial ports for doing so. No Y cable is necessary (and a bad idea). 

This is how OM Power describes using their product. It works fine. You're 
coming up with a workaround for a nonexistent problem. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
> 
> 
> microHAM has provided "cross brand" support for mixing transceivers
> and amplifiers for a dozen years or more starting with the original
> microHAM Band Decoder.  Icom has been the default interface for
> serial (CAT) controls while Yaesu (BCD) has been the default interface
> for "Band Data" control.
> 
> Since the current OM Power transceivers support Icom interfacing, it
> is the obvious choice with microHAM interfaces and has been since the
> earliest serial controlled OM Power amplifiers (those that did not
> provide for CAT pass-through).  Using the Icom controls is far more
> reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
> issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
> emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
> collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 6/18/2017 1:23 PM, Josh wrote:
>> I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a 
>> PW-1??
>> OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power 
>> manual's recommendation before making up an answer?
>> 73
>> Josh W6XU
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
>>> product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
>>> "Using the Icom PW-1"
>>>  
>>> at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
>>> 
>>> The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
>>> an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
>>> instruction manual

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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Jim Brown]

On Sun,6/18/2017 5:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

Using the Icom controls is far more
reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.


I know you know this, but others might not -- RS232 is NOT a matched 
system. It uses a low-Z driver and a high-Z receiver. The real issue 
with loading is CAPACITANCE -- later versions of the RS-232 Standard 
reference cable capacitance and baud rate rather than cable length as 
the limit of transmission distance. CAT5/6/7 cables are among the lowest 
capacitance paired cables we can easily buy, and their loss is fairly 
low at RF. CAT5/6/7 cables are four twisted pairs, each with a different 
twist ratio to minimize crosstalk. RS-232 cables wired to use one of 
these pairs for each of the signalling circuits are about as good as it 
gets without spending big bucks. Most ham gear uses only RXD and TXD 
(pins 2 and 3 on a DB9) with pin 5 as return.


My serial cables use two pairs to connect 2 and 3 with both pairs 
returned pin 5, and with the remaining conductors wired to the DB9 
shells. My cables are pretty short, but I've used cables like this that 
are 200 ft long or longer to connect a computer to sound system DSP to 
do system setups at fairly high baud rates.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

microHAM has provided "cross brand" support for mixing transceivers
and amplifiers for a dozen years or more starting with the original
microHAM Band Decoder.  Icom has been the default interface for
serial (CAT) controls while Yaesu (BCD) has been the default interface
for "Band Data" control.

Since the current OM Power transceivers support Icom interfacing, it
is the obvious choice with microHAM interfaces and has been since the
earliest serial controlled OM Power amplifiers (those that did not
provide for CAT pass-through).  Using the Icom controls is far more
reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/18/2017 1:23 PM, Josh wrote:

I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a PW-1??

OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power 
manual's recommendation before making up an answer?

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device


On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:


Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
"Using the Icom PW-1"
  
at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html

The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
  

You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
instruction manual




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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Josh]

I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a PW-1??

OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power 
manual's recommendation before making up an answer? 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
> 
> 
> Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
> product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
> "Using the Icom PW-1"
>  
> at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
> 
> The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
>  
> 
> You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
> an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
> instruction manual 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Josh]

Patch the OM Power between P3 and microham box. TCVR goes to P3 and PC goes to 
microham. Then select Elecraft and baud rate from the menu. You should 
immediately see it following frequency on the display. 

OM Power echoes serial commands through and monitors the data. I don't have 
your model, but this is how they all work. 

Any problems you should contact OM Power support. Tibi is very good and will 
respond quickly. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Natale Borghetti  wrote:
> 
> I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com ports 
> busy.now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and in order to 
> have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX frequency..how can I 
> do it ???
> 
> Some say to me...using the CI-V Icom interface of the Microkeyer II...but 
> what to set in the amplifier ??
> 
> Some say just install a Y cable at the output of RTX rs232
> 
> Just to give an idea of my wiring:
> 
> K3 rs232 go to P3 DB9 Labelled XCVR
> 
> Microkeyer rs232 go to P3 Labelled PC
> 
> 
> I am missing some thing ???
> 
> Hoping on some help and advice
> 
> 
> 73 and DX
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Natale Borghetti
> 
> I5NPH
> 
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> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
"Using the Icom PW-1"
  
at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html

The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
  

You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
instruction manual provided by the amplifier manufacturer.

Note: this information applies to *any* frequency agile amplifier
capable of serial control using Icom protocol.  The information
in the application note "Using the Icom PW-1"
  
also covers interfacing of BCD controlled amplifiers - like the
Yaesu FL-7000/Quadra, Elecraft KPA500 (and KPA1500), Ameritron
ALS-600/1300/1306, etc. to transceivers which lack BCD outputs
using microHAM Station Master.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/18/2017 6:53 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Natale,

Put the "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.
As far as how to set your amplifier, I leave that to others familiar 
with that amp to answer.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/18/2017 5:45 AM, Natale Borghetti wrote:
I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com 
ports busy.now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and 
in order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX 
frequency..how can I do it ???



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Re: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Don Wilhelm]

Natale,

Put the "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.
As far as how to set your amplifier, I leave that to others familiar 
with that amp to answer.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/18/2017 5:45 AM, Natale Borghetti wrote:
I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com 
ports busy.now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and in 
order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX 
frequency..how can I do it ???



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[Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II

[Natale Borghetti]

I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com 
ports busy.now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and in 
order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX 
frequency..how can I do it ???


Some say to me...using the CI-V Icom interface of the Microkeyer 
II...but what to set in the amplifier ??


Some say just install a Y cable at the output of RTX rs232

Just to give an idea of my wiring:

K3 rs232 go to P3 DB9 Labelled XCVR

Microkeyer rs232 go to P3 Labelled PC


I am missing some thing ???

Hoping on some help and advice


73 and DX



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I5NPH

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I5NPH

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