[Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level?
I don't bitch much, but get it to the top of the list. And on CW mode, multiply sidetone amplitude by the envelope of signals in the passband (Lyle knows about that) Bill - W7AAZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level?
And on CW mode, multiply sidetone amplitude by the envelope of signals in the passband Please, No! Having external signals controlling the sidetone is a disaster. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of William Carver Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2009 9:51 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level? I don't bitch much, but get it to the top of the list. And on CW mode, multiply sidetone amplitude by the envelope of signals in the passband (Lyle knows about that) Bill - W7AAZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level?
I'm finally coming to terms with K3 3260, born July '09. It's at last fully integrated into the station, and the diversity receive capability just blows what's left of my mind. This thing is like a race car: it rolls off the trailer pretty damn fast, but once you start fine-tuning it it just gets better and better. To further belabor the race car analogy, my trusty old FT-1000D is like a NASCAR stocker, big and heavy but a bulletproof performer. The K3 is like an Indycar or a Formula I car, maybe somewhat more delicate and fussy, but able to perform at a considerably higher level once it's set up and the driver learns to get the most from it. Now that I (mostly) know how to operate the K3, I suppose I'm qualified to start picking nits about how certain things work. The thing that bothers me the most is the Monitor function, especially for CW. For any serious DX or contest work I always use headphones, but I sometimes like to just grab the paddle and work somebody using the station speaker. I normally keep the Monitor level set at about 20-25, since that's what I find most comfortable when I'm using headphones. When I'm using the speaker, I can hardly hear the sidetone or the spot tone. If I go ahead and crank up the Monitor level to where I can hear it in the speakers, the next time I use headphones I'll forget to readjust the level and the sidetone will practically rip my head off. Unfortunately, the Monitor level is independent from the AF level so just turning down the volume, which I always do when using phones, doesn't keep me from getting blasted. What I would like to see would be a firmware change that allows the Monitor level to be adjusted to a percentage of the main receive level, or perhaps set to a specific offset value in dB, such that the relative levels between the main audio and the monitor signal always track as the AF control is varied. I take the audio from the K3 rear panel SPKRS jack to route into my station audio switching for either the headphones or the speaker, so I would rather see it done this way than by making a Monitor level change when the hardware detects that the phones have been plugged in. I've looked through the reflector archives and can't seem to find any posts that address my concern. That doesn't mean there aren't any; I just didn't see them. Does this suggestion sound like a useful firmware tweak to anyone else here? 73... Randy, W8FN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level?
Randy: I have just the opposite problem. With my 32 ohm headphones I have to crank up the sidetone to 40 but down to 15 with the 8 ohm speaker. It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to listen to the tone while adjusting. There's 2 problems with this method. If I want to change sidetone level while in QSO, I miss words the other station is sending or have to pause my sending while adjusting the level. Why must that tone be present? I know of no other rig that does this. If I remove my headphones and start to call CQ, I blast the entire house with my sidetone. I quickly remember that I forgot to turn it down before removing my cans. So I push the sidetone button and blast everyone again until I can get it cranked down. This is a very strange system. If I wanted to hear the tone, I could just press the Pitch button! Having the sidetone track with the AF gain is nice as long as it's also independently adjustable but for some reason there are some ops who are strongly opposed to thisSomething to do with riding the AF gain for weak signals etc Anyway. I would just like to be able to disable the tone when adjusting the level. Steve N4LQ n...@carolina.rr.com - Original Message - From: Randy Farmer w...@tx.rr.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level? I'm finally coming to terms with K3 3260, born July '09. It's at last fully integrated into the station, and the diversity receive capability just blows what's left of my mind. This thing is like a race car: it rolls off the trailer pretty damn fast, but once you start fine-tuning it it just gets better and better. To further belabor the race car analogy, my trusty old FT-1000D is like a NASCAR stocker, big and heavy but a bulletproof performer. The K3 is like an Indycar or a Formula I car, maybe somewhat more delicate and fussy, but able to perform at a considerably higher level once it's set up and the driver learns to get the most from it. Now that I (mostly) know how to operate the K3, I suppose I'm qualified to start picking nits about how certain things work. The thing that bothers me the most is the Monitor function, especially for CW. For any serious DX or contest work I always use headphones, but I sometimes like to just grab the paddle and work somebody using the station speaker. I normally keep the Monitor level set at about 20-25, since that's what I find most comfortable when I'm using headphones. When I'm using the speaker, I can hardly hear the sidetone or the spot tone. If I go ahead and crank up the Monitor level to where I can hear it in the speakers, the next time I use headphones I'll forget to readjust the level and the sidetone will practically rip my head off. Unfortunately, the Monitor level is independent from the AF level so just turning down the volume, which I always do when using phones, doesn't keep me from getting blasted. What I would like to see would be a firmware change that allows the Monitor level to be adjusted to a percentage of the main receive level, or perhaps set to a specific offset value in dB, such that the relative levels between the main audio and the monitor signal always track as the AF control is varied. I take the audio from the K3 rear panel SPKRS jack to route into my station audio switching for either the headphones or the speaker, so I would rather see it done this way than by making a Monitor level change when the hardware detects that the phones have been plugged in. I've looked through the reflector archives and can't seem to find any posts that address my concern. That doesn't mean there aren't any; I just didn't see them. Does this suggestion sound like a useful firmware tweak to anyone else here? 73... Randy, W8FN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.105/2380 - Release Date: 09/18/09 07:49:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level?
It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have to listen to the tone while adjusting. There's 2 problems with this method. If I want to change sidetone level while in QSO, I miss words the other station is sending or have to pause my sending while adjusting the level. Why must that tone be present? ... If I wanted to hear the tone, I could just press the Pitch button! Or the Spot button. I thought that's what it's there for. I quite agree. The pitch adjustment on the K3 has seemed weird to me from day one. Why not just be able to adjust the Pitch in receive mode and hear the received audio tone change in real time? I certainly don't understand why it's necessary to mute the receive audio while the pitch is being adjusted. I definitely don't know what's going on under the software hood when the pitch is adjusted, but it seems to me it can't be all that much different from what happens when you just turn the Shift knob on the front panel. I expected to hear that effect the first time I played with the pitch, but that wasn't what happened. It sent me to the manual to see if I had screwed up the configuration somehow. And as long as we're asking for changes, why not make the CW and Data mode monitor levels independent? I sure don't need to listen to transmitted PSK tones like I do CW sidetone. Having the sidetone track with the AF gain is nice as long as it's also independently adjustable but for some reason there are some ops who are strongly opposed to thisSomething to do with riding the AF gain for weak signals etc How about a configuration item such as MonTk = ON or MonTk = OFF? Anyway. I would just like to be able to disable the tone when adjusting the level. Me, too. 73... Randy, W8FN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Make Monitor level track AF level?
This was asked for in the past and it turns out that more people wanted it the way it is at the moment but it was not really a landslide it was fairly balanced. Personally I agree and would like the option to have it track the AF knob. But this hasn't really risen to the top of the list (if it even made the list) considering that it was the less popular option last time. ~Brett On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 13:35 -0500, Randy Farmer wrote: I'm finally coming to terms with K3 3260, born July '09. It's at last fully integrated into the station, and the diversity receive capability just blows what's left of my mind. This thing is like a race car: it rolls off the trailer pretty damn fast, but once you start fine-tuning it it just gets better and better. To further belabor the race car analogy, my trusty old FT-1000D is like a NASCAR stocker, big and heavy but a bulletproof performer. The K3 is like an Indycar or a Formula I car, maybe somewhat more delicate and fussy, but able to perform at a considerably higher level once it's set up and the driver learns to get the most from it. Now that I (mostly) know how to operate the K3, I suppose I'm qualified to start picking nits about how certain things work. The thing that bothers me the most is the Monitor function, especially for CW. For any serious DX or contest work I always use headphones, but I sometimes like to just grab the paddle and work somebody using the station speaker. I normally keep the Monitor level set at about 20-25, since that's what I find most comfortable when I'm using headphones. When I'm using the speaker, I can hardly hear the sidetone or the spot tone. If I go ahead and crank up the Monitor level to where I can hear it in the speakers, the next time I use headphones I'll forget to readjust the level and the sidetone will practically rip my head off. Unfortunately, the Monitor level is independent from the AF level so just turning down the volume, which I always do when using phones, doesn't keep me from getting blasted. What I would like to see would be a firmware change that allows the Monitor level to be adjusted to a percentage of the main receive level, or perhaps set to a specific offset value in dB, such that the relative levels between the main audio and the monitor signal always track as the AF control is varied. I take the audio from the K3 rear panel SPKRS jack to route into my station audio switching for either the headphones or the speaker, so I would rather see it done this way than by making a Monitor level change when the hardware detects that the phones have been plugged in. I've looked through the reflector archives and can't seem to find any posts that address my concern. That doesn't mean there aren't any; I just didn't see them. Does this suggestion sound like a useful firmware tweak to anyone else here? 73... Randy, W8FN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
